Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of Jack/John Bunting born 1883, death 1831, Mother Agnes Maude Hill Dear Alan and Nivard, thank you both for your response to my query for information in regards to my mother's parents. Apparently the lack of a marriage certificate for Agnes Maude and John Bunting is the "Fly in the ointment". Long story which parts have only become known to me last year courtesy of Ruth Barber from the Derbyshire Historical Society. My Mother's family was always a mystery. She left England after marriage to my father, Sylvester James McKeon and American GI from NYC. Theirs was an unhappy marriage which resulted in divorce, another story for another day. I have a copy of my Mom's birth certificate which has father as Jack Bunting, mother Agnes Maude Bunting, address 397 Uttoexeter Rd Derby. I am having difficulty navigating this thread but will blunder on. My apologies if I am not following the rules properly. 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When replying always change the subject line to that of the individual message which you are responding to. Please "SNIP" generously, don't repeat everything again. Including everything will inflate the size of the next Digest unnecessarily and could create problems for those who are not on broadband. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. (Alan S. Flint) 2. Re: Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. (Nivard Ovington) 3. Re: Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. (Nivard Ovington) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:29:35 +0100 From: "Alan S. Flint" <[email protected]> To: jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Dear Jill, Without wishing to get you too excited there 'may', and I stress 'may', be a connection between us. I have a John Bunting (bn 1883) on my Tree whose parents were Josiah Bunting and Louisa Bunting (nee Brough). The John that that I have was apparently born in Askem in Furness, in Lancashire, England. His father Josiah Bunting was born in 1856, in Bonsall, Derbyshire. His mother Louisa was born in Wirksworth, Derbyshire, in 1862. I am struggling at the moment to find a marriage date for 'your' John and Agnes Maud Hill. Do you know the date when they were married, and where the marriage may have taken place? It does appear that 'my' John did have a first wife (Annie Spencer), they were married on 19th October 1910, back in Bonsall, Derbyshire. I do know of one child that was born to them (Julia) who was apparently born in 1911. If you wish you can e-mail me direct. Hoping to hear from you. Alan (Flint) Crich, Derbyshire (about 7 miles from Bonsall) On 10/07/2017 11:43, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a > connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:36:00 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed I seem to have missed posting a follow up to my earlier reply Okay this explains a few things The John PAYNE in 1939 appears to be correctly John PAINE whose birth date in 1939 corresponds with the death below (the 1939 NIR was like earlier census transcribed from household schedules and he may misread the handwriting on it) Death Name: John Walter Paine Birth Date: 4 May 1912 Date of Registration: Jun 1982 Age at Death: 70 Registration district: Derby Volume: 6 Page: 0760 And this may be his birth reg which answers the relationship question, John b1912 is the son of Agnes Maud HILL who married an Alfred Hawkins PAINE in 1895 reg West Brom Name: John W Paine Mother's Maiden Name: Hill Registration Year: 1912 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bakewell Volume: 7b Page: 1659 The following may be Agnes's death reg, ages are often wrongly given by the informant Name: Agnes M Paine Birth Date: abt 1880 Date of Registration: Jun 1967 Age at Death: 87 Registration district: Derby Volume: 3a Page: 233 Given the name used in 1939 and later, you would say that Agnes never married John/Jack BUNTING but had a child and lived as man and wife Who registered the death in 1931 ? Interestingly it appears Agnes's husband Alfred Hawkins PAINE didn't die until 1940 Deaths Mar 1940 Paine Alfred H 72 Bakewell 7b 2301 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:36:54 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Welcome Jill I can see Marjories birth registration Births Dec 1924 Bunting Marjorie J Hill Derby 7b 992 There does not appear to be any siblings Nor did I find an obvious marriage for her parents What was the specific wording on her birth cert regarding mother and father ? This appears to be the death reg of the John you mention Deaths Dec 1931 Bunting John 48 Derby 7b 631 Marjories marriage registration Marriages Dec 1944 BUNTING Marjorie J McKeown Shardlow 7b 1057 MCKEON Sylvester J Bunting Shardlow 7b 1057 Which would give her fathers name and occupation (if you don't already have the certificate) Agnes Maud BUNTING (later PAINE or PAYNE) in the 1939 National Identity Register 1939 National Identity Register Paine (Bunting) Household (3 People) 25 Albert Road , Shardlow R.D., Derbyshire, England Agnes Maud Paine (Bunting) 29 May 1878 Female Housewife Widowed 139 1 Marjorie j McKeon (Bunting) 21 Sep 1924 Female Machinist And Cutter (Underwear) Single 139 2 John W Paine (Payne) 04 May 1912 Male Electrician Single 139 3 Ref: RG101/5976C/011/6 Letter Code: RCXK The above suggests Agnes Maud BUNTING may have married a Mr PAINE or PAYNE but I didn't find a marriage reg, the name changes are added at a later date more usually after the NHS was set up and the person registered with a doctor, it doesn't prove they were married, only that they used that name, Marjories entry has a date 30th Oct 1944 by it (both changes might have been when moving home as they needed to register the change for ration books) If we can find a marriage for Agnes & John/Jack it would tell you who Johns father was but so far I haven't found one If the John who was son of Josiah & Louise is your man he was born in Askham in Furness Lancashire He married an Annie SPENCER in 1910 reg Ashborne They had a daughter Julia born ist quarter of 1911 Marriages Dec 1910 Bunting John Ashborne 7b 1391 Spencer Annie Ashborne 7b 1391 BUNTING, JULIA SPENCER GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in ASHBOURNE Volume 07B Page 719 Annie possibly died shortly after Deaths Dec 1912 BUNTING Annie 27 Ashbourne 7b 718 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 157 ******************************************

Hi Jill, Firstly, Nivard can always be relied upon for excellent research and scrupulous listing of what he found. So I am happy to acknowledge his earlier informative helpful contribution. The seeming absence of the record of a marriage between John BUNTING and Agnes Maude HILL does, I agree, present an interesting quandry, although intriguingly Nivard's quote from the 1939 National Identity Register quotes Agnes Maude as being 'Widowed'! Was this statement factual, or Agnes Maude's own interpretation of her status following some kind of Common Law understanding of a marriage relationship that had not been formally registered. I just wonder whether that might have been the case. However, for what it's worth at this stage, here are the somewhat bare bones (no pun intended) of the BUNTING line back from your mom Marjorie Joyce BUNTING: Marjorie Joyce BUNTING (1924 - 2001) | Father: John BUNTING (1883 - 1931) : Mother: Agnes Maude HILL | John BUNTING (1883 - 1931) = Annie SPENCER (1885 - 1912)] | Josiah BUNTING (1856 - 1912) = Louise BROUGH (1862 - 1921) | Joseph BUNTING (1823 - 1893) = Mary FROST (1827 - 1911) | Joseph BUNTING (1799 - 1875) = Alice GRATTON (1798 - 1879) | William BUNTING (1760 - 1836) = Ruth BUNTING (1761 - 1834) | William BUNTING (1733 - 1808) = Sarah SIMPSON (1732 -1801) | William BUNTING (1706 - 1777) = Sarah WOODIWISS (1704 - 1782) | David BUNTING (1666 - 1743) = Hannah ? (? - ?) | William BUNTING (1640 - 1694) = Francis ? ( ? - 1717) It is worth recording that most of the above have their birth, death, and many events inbetween, in Bonsall. I know that the BUNTING name is spread across the world, but at times it does seem that many can trace their ancestry back to Bonsall, in Derbyshire. Best wishes, Alan On 10/07/2017 11:43, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do e! stablish a > connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello from Australia. I have been looking back over research that I did nearly 40 years ago and trying to fill in some of the gaps. With more records becoming available on both Ancestry and FMP this has become much easier. I have been looking at Derbyshire records on FMP particularly near the border with Staffordshire. I came upon two transcripts of the same marriage between John Wain and Hannah Land on 24 May 1774. One noted the marriage place as All Saints Sudbury while the other noted it as Riddings. Genuki noted that there was no Church at Riddings until 1832 but there was a Chapel of Ease. I am assuming that the Chapel of Ease would have been part of All Saints Parish, Sudbury. Could a marriage be performed in the Chapel of Ease? If so, would there be two separate Registers? Would the marriage be entered both in the one for the Chapel of Ease and also in the one for All Saints? Can anyone please enlighten me? Regards Val Messer Qld Aus.

Hi Alan You have just reminded me that I didn't post a follow up to my first reply From that you will see that Agnes married a PAINE in 1895 and does not appear to have married BUNTING but had a child with him Marriages Sep 1895 Hill Agnes Maud W. Bromwich 6b 1248 Paine Alfred Hawkins W. Bromwich 6b 1248 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-Jul-17 9:29 PM, Alan S. Flint via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear Jill, > > Without wishing to get you too excited there 'may', and I stress 'may', > be a connection between us. I have a John Bunting (bn 1883) on my Tree > whose parents were Josiah Bunting and Louisa Bunting (nee Brough). The > John that that I have was apparently born in Askem in Furness, in > Lancashire, England. His father Josiah Bunting was born in 1856, in > Bonsall, Derbyshire. His mother Louisa was born in Wirksworth, > Derbyshire, in 1862. > > I am struggling at the moment to find a marriage date for 'your' John > and Agnes Maud Hill. Do you know the date when they were married, and > where the marriage may have taken place? > > It does appear that 'my' John did have a first wife (Annie Spencer), > they were married on 19th October 1910, back in Bonsall, Derbyshire. I > do know of one child that was born to them (Julia) who was apparently > born in 1911. > > If you wish you can e-mail me direct. > > Hoping to hear from you. > > Alan (Flint)

I seem to have missed posting a follow up to my earlier reply Okay this explains a few things The John PAYNE in 1939 appears to be correctly John PAINE whose birth date in 1939 corresponds with the death below (the 1939 NIR was like earlier census transcribed from household schedules and he may misread the handwriting on it) Death Name: John Walter Paine Birth Date: 4 May 1912 Date of Registration: Jun 1982 Age at Death: 70 Registration district: Derby Volume: 6 Page: 0760 And this may be his birth reg which answers the relationship question, John b1912 is the son of Agnes Maud HILL who married an Alfred Hawkins PAINE in 1895 reg West Brom Name: John W Paine Mother's Maiden Name: Hill Registration Year: 1912 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bakewell Volume: 7b Page: 1659 The following may be Agnes's death reg, ages are often wrongly given by the informant Name: Agnes M Paine Birth Date: abt 1880 Date of Registration: Jun 1967 Age at Death: 87 Registration district: Derby Volume: 3a Page: 233 Given the name used in 1939 and later, you would say that Agnes never married John/Jack BUNTING but had a child and lived as man and wife Who registered the death in 1931 ? Interestingly it appears Agnes's husband Alfred Hawkins PAINE didn't die until 1940 Deaths Mar 1940 Paine Alfred H 72 Bakewell 7b 2301 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do e! stablish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A.

Dear Jill, Without wishing to get you too excited there 'may', and I stress 'may', be a connection between us. I have a John Bunting (bn 1883) on my Tree whose parents were Josiah Bunting and Louisa Bunting (nee Brough). The John that that I have was apparently born in Askem in Furness, in Lancashire, England. His father Josiah Bunting was born in 1856, in Bonsall, Derbyshire. His mother Louisa was born in Wirksworth, Derbyshire, in 1862. I am struggling at the moment to find a marriage date for 'your' John and Agnes Maud Hill. Do you know the date when they were married, and where the marriage may have taken place? It does appear that 'my' John did have a first wife (Annie Spencer), they were married on 19th October 1910, back in Bonsall, Derbyshire. I do know of one child that was born to them (Julia) who was apparently born in 1911. If you wish you can e-mail me direct. Hoping to hear from you. Alan (Flint) Crich, Derbyshire (about 7 miles from Bonsall) On 10/07/2017 11:43, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do e! stablish a > connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is Rita in Germany....I was born at Newbold, Chesterfield but live in Germany. My maiden name was Green and there was some connection with the Buntings at Matlock. There was also a Mavis Bunting in our class at Highfield Hall School and she lived near us... we all left there about 1940.... Am 10.07.2017 um 12:43 schrieb jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do e! stablish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jill He and several brothers, were born in Lancashire, but his parents were born in Bonsall and Wirksworth. He's with his parents- and 6 brothers & a sister - in the 1901 census, in Bonsall, and married to an Annie, with a baby, Julia - also in Bonsall in 1911. There are deaths for a Julia (aged 0) in 1911, and Annie (aged 27) in 1912, so it looks as if they did indeed die, and so your bet best would be to try to find descendants of those siblings, and any others... Good hunting. Margaret PS There's another older brother on the 1881 census. On 10/07/2017 11:43, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: Dear folks, My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. Jill McKeon 393 Sugarhouse Road Williamstown VT 05679 U.S.A. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Welcome Jill I can see Marjories birth registration Births Dec 1924 Bunting Marjorie J Hill Derby 7b 992 There does not appear to be any siblings Nor did I find an obvious marriage for her parents What was the specific wording on her birth cert regarding mother and father ? This appears to be the death reg of the John you mention Deaths Dec 1931 Bunting John 48 Derby 7b 631 Marjories marriage registration Marriages Dec 1944 BUNTING Marjorie J McKeown Shardlow 7b 1057 MCKEON Sylvester J Bunting Shardlow 7b 1057 Which would give her fathers name and occupation (if you don't already have the certificate) Agnes Maud BUNTING (later PAINE or PAYNE) in the 1939 National Identity Register 1939 National Identity Register Paine (Bunting) Household (3 People) 25 Albert Road , Shardlow R.D., Derbyshire, England Agnes Maud Paine (Bunting) 29 May 1878 Female Housewife Widowed 139 1 Marjorie j McKeon (Bunting) 21 Sep 1924 Female Machinist And Cutter (Underwear) Single 139 2 John W Paine (Payne) 04 May 1912 Male Electrician Single 139 3 Ref: RG101/5976C/011/6 Letter Code: RCXK The above suggests Agnes Maud BUNTING may have married a Mr PAINE or PAYNE but I didn't find a marriage reg, the name changes are added at a later date more usually after the NHS was set up and the person registered with a doctor, it doesn't prove they were married, only that they used that name, Marjories entry has a date 30th Oct 1944 by it (both changes might have been when moving home as they needed to register the change for ration books) If we can find a marriage for Agnes & John/Jack it would tell you who Johns father was but so far I haven't found one If the John who was son of Josiah & Louise is your man he was born in Askham in Furness Lancashire He married an Annie SPENCER in 1910 reg Ashborne They had a daughter Julia born ist quarter of 1911 Marriages Dec 1910 Bunting John Ashborne 7b 1391 Spencer Annie Ashborne 7b 1391 BUNTING, JULIA SPENCER GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in ASHBOURNE Volume 07B Page 719 Annie possibly died shortly after Deaths Dec 1912 BUNTING Annie 27 Ashbourne 7b 718 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Dear folks, > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do e! stablish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > Jill McKeon > 393 Sugarhouse Road > Williamstown VT 05679 > U.S.A.

Dear folks, My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. Jill McKeon 393 Sugarhouse Road Williamstown VT 05679 U.S.A.

Although in Leicestershire I thought some might find this of interest Someone kindly passed the following link on to me (perhaps as I was born in Leicestershire) So many were injured and died as a result after the war had ended, so they do not have a proper memorial to their efforts Good to hear this man finally will http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-40531080 -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Thought this may be of interest to some Although in Notts its not far from the border with Derbyshire http://www2.ashfield.gov.uk/ashfieldcemeteries/index.php -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Well, given there is anyone around to read it ;-) It seems to whizz by at a rate of knots doesn't it, but the latest series of WDYTYA starts tonight at 9pm BBc1 The first subject is Charles DANCE (Jewel in the Crown and many others) Its been fairly well publicised and promises to be a good episode Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Yes, Jodie. I reported the issue to FS almost a week ago and received the following message (very promptly, I might add). "We apologize for the access issues that you are having to the Derbyshire Parish Records. FamilySearch is experiencing intermittent issues with numerous British and other records that are tied to one of our partners, Find My Past. FMP has re-indexed and relocated the records which is causing access problems from FamilySearch. FamilySearch is aware and is working on it as priority." Regards, Brett Payne Tauranga On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Jodie Williams via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > And it appears one cannot view the actual Derbyshire PR records online > through family search unless you got to a FHC. Anyone else has this issue? > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN<[email protected] > com> wrote: fyi > > Two vitally important matters for your information: > 1. WE ARE NOT CLOSED! Many have come to The Archives and are surprised > that we are still here. We are here, and will be until at least March of > 2019. New missionaries have been assigned to replace those that are > scheduled to go home. We still have all the computers and all the > subscription websites. Well over half of our old microfilms, plus > thousands > more English films, are online and viewable at our centre. We miss you and > hope you will return. > 2. MICROFILM ORDERING WILL END 31 AUGUST 2017. FamilySearch announced > yesterday that film circulation will end after 31 August. Films can be > ordered online up until that date. Films can still be sent and viewed at > our facility at the National Archives if ordered by 31 August. The > complete > announcement can be seen here: > > http://media.familysearch.org/familysearch-digital-records- > access-replacing- > microfilm/ > We hope soon to have a list of the films that are online and viewable at > the > centre. We will send more information in the future about the online > films. If you have a question about a specific film, please contact us by > email at [email protected] or by telephone at 020 7859 8561 during our > opening hours. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> On 28 June 2017 at 09:28 Joan M via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > fyi > > Two vitally important matters for your information: > 1.  WE ARE NOT CLOSED!  Many have come to The Archives and are surprised > that we are still here.  We are here, and will be until at least March of > 2019.  New missionaries have been assigned to replace those that are > scheduled to go home.  We still have all the computers and all the > subscription websites.  Well over half of our old microfilms, plus thousands > more English films, are online and viewable at our centre.  We miss you and > hope you will return. > 2.  MICROFILM ORDERING WILL END 31 AUGUST 2017. FamilySearch announced > yesterday that film circulation will end after 31 August.  Films can be > ordered online up until that date.  Films can still be sent and viewed at > our facility at the National Archives if ordered by 31 August.  The complete > announcement can be seen here: > > http://media.familysearch.org/familysearch-digital-records-access-replacing- > microfilm/ > We hope soon to have a list of the films that are online and viewable at the > centre.  We will send more information in the future about the online > films.  If you have a question about a specific film, please contact us by > email at [email protected] or by telephone at 020 7859 8561 during our > opening hours. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

And it appears one cannot view the actual Derbyshire PR records online through family search unless you got to a FHC.  Anyone else has this issue? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN<[email protected]> wrote: fyi Two vitally important matters for your information: 1.  WE ARE NOT CLOSED!  Many have come to The Archives and are surprised that we are still here.  We are here, and will be until at least March of 2019.  New missionaries have been assigned to replace those that are scheduled to go home.  We still have all the computers and all the subscription websites.  Well over half of our old microfilms, plus thousands more English films, are online and viewable at our centre.  We miss you and hope you will return. 2.  MICROFILM ORDERING WILL END 31 AUGUST 2017. FamilySearch announced yesterday that film circulation will end after 31 August.  Films can be ordered online up until that date.  Films can still be sent and viewed at our facility at the National Archives if ordered by 31 August.  The complete announcement can be seen here: http://media.familysearch.org/familysearch-digital-records-access-replacing- microfilm/ We hope soon to have a list of the films that are online and viewable at the centre.  We will send more information in the future about the online films.  If you have a question about a specific film, please contact us by email at [email protected] or by telephone at 020 7859 8561 during our opening hours. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very useful Joan Thank you for posting Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28-Jun-17 9:28 AM, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: > fyi > > Two vitally important matters for your information: > 1. WE ARE NOT CLOSED! Many have come to The Archives and are surprised > that we are still here. We are here, and will be until at least March of > 2019. New missionaries have been assigned to replace those that are > scheduled to go home. We still have all the computers and all the > subscription websites. Well over half of our old microfilms, plus thousands > more English films, are online and viewable at our centre. We miss you and > hope you will return. > 2. MICROFILM ORDERING WILL END 31 AUGUST 2017. FamilySearch announced > yesterday that film circulation will end after 31 August. Films can be > ordered online up until that date. Films can still be sent and viewed at > our facility at the National Archives if ordered by 31 August. The complete > announcement can be seen here: > > http://media.familysearch.org/familysearch-digital-records-access-replacing- > microfilm/ > We hope soon to have a list of the films that are online and viewable at the > centre. We will send more information in the future about the online > films. If you have a question about a specific film, please contact us by > email at [email protected] or by telephone at 020 7859 8561 during our > opening hours.

fyi Two vitally important matters for your information: 1.  WE ARE NOT CLOSED!  Many have come to The Archives and are surprised that we are still here.  We are here, and will be until at least March of 2019.  New missionaries have been assigned to replace those that are scheduled to go home.  We still have all the computers and all the subscription websites.  Well over half of our old microfilms, plus thousands more English films, are online and viewable at our centre.  We miss you and hope you will return. 2.  MICROFILM ORDERING WILL END 31 AUGUST 2017. FamilySearch announced yesterday that film circulation will end after 31 August.  Films can be ordered online up until that date.  Films can still be sent and viewed at our facility at the National Archives if ordered by 31 August.  The complete announcement can be seen here: http://media.familysearch.org/familysearch-digital-records-access-replacing- microfilm/ We hope soon to have a list of the films that are online and viewable at the centre.  We will send more information in the future about the online films.  If you have a question about a specific film, please contact us by email at [email protected] or by telephone at 020 7859 8561 during our opening hours.

Hi all Thought this worthy of posting Findmypast is offering free access to their British & Irish Records from 22nd June to 26th June inclusive For more details see http://www.findmypast.co.uk/british-and-irish-family-history/ -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Seek and ye shall find:  GENUKI: Pentrich, Derbyshire | | | GENUKI: Pentrich, Derbyshire Pentrich Derbyshire genealogy | | |       Lou Mills Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:20:32 -0700 From: Eileen Stonely Phelps <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] The Pentrich Rebellion ? Bicentenary commemorations Message-ID:     <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I would be interested to know if there is a list of names of people involved who might have been imprisoned or deported.