Canadian Expeditionary Force Personnel Service Files Online As posted on Eastmans https://blog.eogn.com/2017/07/14/canadian-expeditionary-force-personnel-service-files-online/ I selected advanced search and in the City box used search term Derby (6 hits) and Derbyshire (10 hits) But would bet there will be more with differing spellings Worth a check -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

You must now spend two minutes on the naughty step ;-) Oh okay we will let you off this time :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14-Jul-17 10:13 AM, Margery Whitham via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I must apologise for sending the message re WDYTYA - an unsteady hand which isn't easy to control. > Again I am very sorry. > Margery

I watched Craig first and couldn’t really say the same thing about Charles having said it was one of the best, but I do agree with you, so I will say it was one of the best. They where both very good, I think the voice over was an improvement also. > On 14 Jul 2017, at 08:44, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Had you said of this episode what you said about Craig Revel HORWOODs I would have agreed with you > > The Charles DANCE episode was one of the best IMHO, the C R HORWOOD program I thought rather lacking in substance > > Good job we don't all like the same things eh ;-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14-Jul-17 2:17 AM, stuart via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Just caught up on this one, nice Derbyshire connection and it was a brilliant bit of detective work by our like minded history detectives. >>> On 6 Jul 2017, at 17:41, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Well, given there is anyone around to read it ;-) >>> >>> It seems to whizz by at a rate of knots doesn't it, but the latest series of WDYTYA starts tonight at 9pm BBc1 >>> >>> The first subject is Charles DANCE (Jewel in the Crown and many others) >>> >>> Its been fairly well publicised and promises to be a good episode > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must apologise for sending the message re WDYTYA - an unsteady hand which isn't easy to control. Again I am very sorry. Margery

> On 14 Jul 2017, at 02:17, stuart via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just caught up on this one, nice Derbyshire connection and it was a brilliant bit of detective work by our like minded history detectives. > > >> On 6 Jul 2017, at 17:41, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Well, given there is anyone around to read it ;-) >> >> It seems to whizz by at a rate of knots doesn't it, but the latest series of WDYTYA starts tonight at 9pm BBc1 >> >> The first subject is Charles DANCE (Jewel in the Crown and many others) >> >> Its been fairly well publicised and promises to be a good episode >> >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Had you said of this episode what you said about Craig Revel HORWOODs I would have agreed with you The Charles DANCE episode was one of the best IMHO, the C R HORWOOD program I thought rather lacking in substance Good job we don't all like the same things eh ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14-Jul-17 2:17 AM, stuart via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Just caught up on this one, nice Derbyshire connection and it was a brilliant bit of detective work by our like minded history detectives. > > >> On 6 Jul 2017, at 17:41, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Well, given there is anyone around to read it ;-) >> >> It seems to whizz by at a rate of knots doesn't it, but the latest series of WDYTYA starts tonight at 9pm BBc1 >> >> The first subject is Charles DANCE (Jewel in the Crown and many others) >> >> Its been fairly well publicised and promises to be a good episode

Just caught up on this one, nice Derbyshire connection and it was a brilliant bit of detective work by our like minded history detectives. > On 6 Jul 2017, at 17:41, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well, given there is anyone around to read it ;-) > > It seems to whizz by at a rate of knots doesn't it, but the latest series of WDYTYA starts tonight at 9pm BBc1 > > The first subject is Charles DANCE (Jewel in the Crown and many others) > > Its been fairly well publicised and promises to be a good episode > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my opinion one of the best ever, he was delighted to discover his past and confirmed that his past had a bearing on his life. > On 13 Jul 2017, at 09:27, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Second in the series tonight 9pm BBc1 > > Craig Revel HORWOOD a judge on strictly come dancing > > Born in Ballarat Australia > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08y6ct1 > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Second in the series tonight 9pm BBc1 Craig Revel HORWOOD a judge on strictly come dancing Born in Ballarat Australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08y6ct1 -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Nivard, Well, I guess I made the classic mistake, assumption! I assumed that Marjorie J. Hill on the record I found was Jill's mom. So lesson learnt. Never assume anything. Thanks again for the clarification with such full information. Just one more thing, namely that Shardlow RD (Rural District) in 1939 would have included much of South East Derby, and quite a few other places as well. Interestingly, although not necessarily relevant, I see that there is a 25 Albert Road in Chaddesden, which is an area of Derby that used to be in the Shardlow RD, before Shardlow RD was renamed South East Derbyshire in 1959. Regards, Alan On 12/07/2017 12:56, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Alan & Jill > > Unfortunately the Marjorie J HILL/PERKINS is a red herring > > You must have missed it in one of my earlier posts but the family > although in Shardlow are as follows > > 1939 National Identity Register > Paine (Bunting) Household (3 People) 25 Albert Road , Shardlow R.D., > Derbyshire, England > Agnes Maud Paine (Bunting) 29 May 1878 Female Housewife Widowed 139 1 > Marjorie j McKeon (Bunting) 21 Sep 1924 Female Machinist And > Cutter (Underwear) Single 139 2 > John W Paine (Payne) 04 May 1912 Male Electrician Single 139 3 > > Ref: RG101/5976C/011/6 Letter Code: RCXK >

Hi Jill I would say your historian was wrong regarding the 1939 National Identity Register for reasons I posted earlier The names in brackets are the names they registered with in 1939, these were double checked by the enumerator who was charged with entering the house when he collected the schedule filled in by the head of household, he then had to double check the information on the schedule before issuing identity cards to each individual on the schedule there and then So from that we know Agnes Maud was going by the surname BUNTING in Sep 1939, and Marjorie is under BUNTING also Agnes's surname has been changed to PAINE and if I read the hieroglyphics (notes added) to the entry, it seems that change was made 15th Feb 1951 in Derby (area code RAA) The entry for Marjorie J BUNTING was later changed to MCKEON 30th Oct 1944 M(arriage?) under area RCM which is Shardlow Agnes's son John W was enumerated as PAYNE in 1939 later changed to PAINE (no date added) The fact Agnes uses BUNTING in 1939 when registering and later changes it to PAINE suggests she was never actually married to BUNTING, I would suggest the name alteration was probably done after Agnes claimed an old age pension and it was found she was not a BUNTING but a PAINE still but there could be other reasons, that seems the most likely though Additionally, the register pages we see online for the 1939 NIR are the enumerators transcription of the household schedules, changes were added later as updates, he would not have added the detail at the time of the register transcription, plus the dates prove that IE the identity cards were issued in the name BUNTING for Agnes & Marjorie Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-Jul-17 7:57 PM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > It does feel a bit like Alice playing chess with the white knight. No marriage certificate for John BUNTING/Agnes HILL or a divorce decree for Agnes Maude HILL and Alfred Hawkins PAINE. In answer to the question who arranged the burial for John it was Agnes Maude. They are both buried side by side at the Nottingham Cemetery under the last name of BUNTING. I did have the register opened for 1939 by providing my Mom’s death certificate this past year. I have a tree in ancestry.com with members of the Bunting family but this could be inaccurate. > Here is an excerpt from correspondence with a historian with the Derbyshire Historical Society. > > At some point Agnes and Alfred separated and Agnes went with her children to live with John Bunting moving from Matlock Bath to Derby. She is known by the surname Bunting, as the grave is bought by Agnes Maud Bunting, until 1939 when identity cards were issued. As they never married the ID card had to be issued in the name Paine. > Jill McKeon USA

It does feel a bit like Alice playing chess with the white knight. No marriage certificate for John BUNTING/Agnes HILL or a divorce decree for Agnes Maude HILL and Alfred Hawkins PAINE. In answer to the question who arranged the burial for John it was Agnes Maude. They are both buried side by side at the Nottingham Cemetery under the last name of BUNTING. I did have the register opened for 1939 by providing my Mom’s death certificate this past year. I have a tree in ancestry.com with members of the Bunting family but this could be inaccurate. Here is an excerpt from correspondence with a historian with the Derbyshire Historical Society. At some point Agnes and Alfred separated and Agnes went with her children to live with John Bunting moving from Matlock Bath to Derby. She is known by the surname Bunting, as the grave is bought by Agnes Maud Bunting, until 1939 when identity cards were issued. As they never married the ID card had to be issued in the name Paine. Jill McKeon USA Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:56 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 162 Send DERBYSGEN mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/derbysgen or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DERBYSGEN digest..." When replying always change the subject line to that of the individual message which you are responding to. Please "SNIP" generously, don't repeat everything again. Including everything will inflate the size of the next Digest unnecessarily and could create problems for those who are not on broadband. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. (Nivard Ovington) 2. Re: Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. (Mel Smith) 3. Re: Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. (Nivard Ovington) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:56:32 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Hi Alan & Jill Unfortunately the Marjorie J HILL/PERKINS is a red herring You must have missed it in one of my earlier posts but the family although in Shardlow are as follows 1939 National Identity Register Paine (Bunting) Household (3 People) 25 Albert Road , Shardlow R.D., Derbyshire, England Agnes Maud Paine (Bunting) 29 May 1878 Female Housewife Widowed 139 1 Marjorie j McKeon (Bunting) 21 Sep 1924 Female Machinist And Cutter (Underwear) Single 139 2 John W Paine (Payne) 04 May 1912 Male Electrician Single 139 3 Ref: RG101/5976C/011/6 Letter Code: RCXK The names in brackets are the names they registered with in 1939, these were double checked by the enumerator who was charged with entering the house when he collected the schedule filled in by the head of household, he then had to double check the information on the schedule before issuing identity cards to each individual on the schedule there and then So from that we know Agnes Maud was going by the surname BUNTING in Sep 1939, and Marjorie is under BUNTING also Agnes's surname has been changed to PAINE and if I read the hieroglyphics (notes added) to the entry, it seems that change was made 15th Feb 1951 in Derby (area code RAA) The entry for Marjorie J BUNTING was later changed to MCKEON 30th Oct 1944 M(arriage?) under area RCM which is Shardlow Agnes's son John W was enumerated as PAYNE in 1939 later changed to PAINE (no date added) The fact Agnes uses BUNTING in 1939 when registering and later changes it to PAINE suggests she was never actually married to BUNTING, I would suggest the name alteration was probably done after Agnes claimed an old age pension and it was found she was not a BUNTING but a PAINE still but there could be other reasons, that seems the most likely though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-Jul-17 12:19 PM, Alan S. Flint via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Nivard, > > I am unable to subscribe to Find My Past at the moment, but for some > reason I was able to find Jill McKeon's mom on the 1939 Register, > although I was unable to 'unlock' the actual record. What I was able to > see was that in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was living in Shardlow R.D, in a > household of 3 persons. Presumably the head of that household had the > name PERKINS. So maybe Marjorie Joyce was lodging there. > > Intriguingly, although Jill gives her mother's maiden name as Marjorie > Joyce BUNTING, she is registered on the 1939 Register as Marjorie Joyce > HILL. Jill tells us that her mom's birth record gives her birth year as > 1924, so that would make her 15 years old at the time that the 1939 > Register was compiled. Likely inaccurate, but the 1939 Register gives > her birth year as 1926. > > It all seems to be a bit confusing, but with no marriage record being > available for John BUNTING and Agnes Maude HILL, it does seem to confirm > that certainly in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was taking the name of her mother, > but later had adopted her father's name. > > If you have full access to the FMP 1939 Register, would you be able to > verify the 3 persons in the PERKINS household that also included 15 year > old Marjorie Joyce? > > I trust that Jill will also see this post. > > Many thanks, > > Alan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:06:13 -0400 From: Mel Smith <[email protected]> To: Derbyshire genealogy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Here is the transcription data Something very strange happened. When I looked for Marjorie, on the image almost all the names were blacked out, usually meaning they are still living. When I looked for John T the image was reversed and Marjorie was blacked out. Strange AND actually Marjorie's surname is PERKINS. At a later date it changes to HILL indicating that she married a HILL. The specific entry is partially covered but could be 11-16-43(year of marriage). FindMyPast transcribes all the female surnames this way which really is false information as it does not give the correct surname on 29 Sep 1939 John T Perkins 21 Mar 1889 Male Joiner Married 93 1 Hannah Perkins 07 Nov 1887 Female Unpaid D D Married 93 2 George R Perkins 23 Dec 1919 Male Joiners Improver Married 93 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. <http://findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open> Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. <http://findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open> Marjorie J Hill (Perkins) 16 Jun 1926 Female At School Single 93 4 On 12 July 2017 at 07:19, Alan S. Flint via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > Nivard, > > I am unable to subscribe to Find My Past at the moment, but for some > reason I was able to find Jill McKeon's mom on the 1939 Register, although > I was unable to 'unlock' the actual record. What I was able to see was that > in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was living in Shardlow R.D, in a household of 3 > persons. Presumably the head of that household had the name PERKINS. So > maybe Marjorie Joyce was lodging there. > > Intriguingly, although Jill gives her mother's maiden name as Marjorie > Joyce BUNTING, she is registered on the 1939 Register as Marjorie Joyce > HILL. Jill tells us that her mom's birth record gives her birth year as > 1924, so that would make her 15 years old at the time that the 1939 > Register was compiled. Likely inaccurate, but the 1939 Register gives her > birth year as 1926. > > It all seems to be a bit confusing, but with no marriage record being > available for John BUNTING and Agnes Maude HILL, it does seem to confirm > that certainly in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was taking the name of her mother, > but later had adopted her father's name. > > If you have full access to the FMP 1939 Register, would you be able to > verify the 3 persons in the PERKINS household that also included 15 year > old Marjorie Joyce? > > I trust that Jill will also see this post. > > Many thanks, > > Alan > > > On 10/07/2017 21:36, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > >> I seem to have missed posting a follow up to my earlier reply >> >> >> Okay this explains a few things >> >> The John PAYNE in 1939 appears to be correctly John PAINE whose birth >> date in 1939 corresponds with the death below >> (the 1939 NIR was like earlier census transcribed from household >> schedules and he may misread the handwriting on it) >> >> Death >> >> Name: John Walter Paine >> Birth Date: 4 May 1912 >> Date of Registration: Jun 1982 >> Age at Death: 70 >> Registration district: Derby >> Volume: 6 >> Page: 0760 >> >> And this may be his birth reg which answers the relationship question, >> John b1912 is the son of Agnes Maud HILL who married an Alfred Hawkins >> PAINE in 1895 reg West Brom >> >> Name: John W Paine >> Mother's Maiden Name: Hill >> Registration Year: 1912 >> Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun >> Registration district: Bakewell >> Volume: 7b >> Page: 1659 >> >> The following may be Agnes's death reg, ages are often wrongly given by >> the informant >> >> Name: Agnes M Paine >> Birth Date: abt 1880 >> Date of Registration: Jun 1967 >> Age at Death: 87 >> Registration district: Derby >> Volume: 3a >> Page: 233 >> >> Given the name used in 1939 and later, you would say that Agnes never >> married John/Jack BUNTING but had a child and lived as man and wife >> >> Who registered the death in 1931 ? >> >> Interestingly it appears Agnes's husband Alfred Hawkins PAINE didn't die >> until 1940 >> >> Deaths Mar 1940 >> Paine Alfred H 72 Bakewell 7b 2301 >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> >>> Dear folks, >>> My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce >>> Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba >>> 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude >>> Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate >>> indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and >>> came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with >>> her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's >>> maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on >>> my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) >>> that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have >>> a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with >>> you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with >>> some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in >>> Australia. I would love to do establish >>> >> a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe >> that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of >> Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union >> with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in >> 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in >> 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank >> you. >> >>> Jill McKeon >>> 393 Sugarhouse Road >>> Williamstown VT 05679 >>> U.S.A. >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:42:01 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack Bunting born 1883 died 1931. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Sadly as I posted earlier, this is not the same family and has no obvious connection to the family in question Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-Jul-17 1:06 PM, Mel Smith via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Here is the transcription data > Something very strange happened. When I looked for Marjorie, on the image > almost all the names were blacked out, usually meaning they are still > living. When I looked for John T the image was reversed and Marjorie was > blacked out. Strange > AND actually Marjorie's surname is PERKINS. At a later date it changes to > HILL indicating that she married a HILL. The specific entry is partially > covered but could be 11-16-43(year of marriage). FindMyPast transcribes all > the female surnames this way which really is false information as it does > not give the correct surname on 29 Sep 1939 > > John T Perkins 21 Mar 1889 Male Joiner Married 93 1 > Hannah Perkins 07 Nov 1887 Female Unpaid D D Married 93 2 > George R Perkins 23 Dec 1919 Male Joiners Improver Married 93 3 > Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed > record. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 162 ******************************************

Sadly as I posted earlier, this is not the same family and has no obvious connection to the family in question Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-Jul-17 1:06 PM, Mel Smith via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Here is the transcription data > Something very strange happened. When I looked for Marjorie, on the image > almost all the names were blacked out, usually meaning they are still > living. When I looked for John T the image was reversed and Marjorie was > blacked out. Strange > AND actually Marjorie's surname is PERKINS. At a later date it changes to > HILL indicating that she married a HILL. The specific entry is partially > covered but could be 11-16-43(year of marriage). FindMyPast transcribes all > the female surnames this way which really is false information as it does > not give the correct surname on 29 Sep 1939 > > John T Perkins 21 Mar 1889 Male Joiner Married 93 1 > Hannah Perkins 07 Nov 1887 Female Unpaid D D Married 93 2 > George R Perkins 23 Dec 1919 Male Joiners Improver Married 93 3 > Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed > record.

Hi Alan & Jill Unfortunately the Marjorie J HILL/PERKINS is a red herring You must have missed it in one of my earlier posts but the family although in Shardlow are as follows 1939 National Identity Register Paine (Bunting) Household (3 People) 25 Albert Road , Shardlow R.D., Derbyshire, England Agnes Maud Paine (Bunting) 29 May 1878 Female Housewife Widowed 139 1 Marjorie j McKeon (Bunting) 21 Sep 1924 Female Machinist And Cutter (Underwear) Single 139 2 John W Paine (Payne) 04 May 1912 Male Electrician Single 139 3 Ref: RG101/5976C/011/6 Letter Code: RCXK The names in brackets are the names they registered with in 1939, these were double checked by the enumerator who was charged with entering the house when he collected the schedule filled in by the head of household, he then had to double check the information on the schedule before issuing identity cards to each individual on the schedule there and then So from that we know Agnes Maud was going by the surname BUNTING in Sep 1939, and Marjorie is under BUNTING also Agnes's surname has been changed to PAINE and if I read the hieroglyphics (notes added) to the entry, it seems that change was made 15th Feb 1951 in Derby (area code RAA) The entry for Marjorie J BUNTING was later changed to MCKEON 30th Oct 1944 M(arriage?) under area RCM which is Shardlow Agnes's son John W was enumerated as PAYNE in 1939 later changed to PAINE (no date added) The fact Agnes uses BUNTING in 1939 when registering and later changes it to PAINE suggests she was never actually married to BUNTING, I would suggest the name alteration was probably done after Agnes claimed an old age pension and it was found she was not a BUNTING but a PAINE still but there could be other reasons, that seems the most likely though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-Jul-17 12:19 PM, Alan S. Flint via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Nivard, > > I am unable to subscribe to Find My Past at the moment, but for some > reason I was able to find Jill McKeon's mom on the 1939 Register, > although I was unable to 'unlock' the actual record. What I was able to > see was that in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was living in Shardlow R.D, in a > household of 3 persons. Presumably the head of that household had the > name PERKINS. So maybe Marjorie Joyce was lodging there. > > Intriguingly, although Jill gives her mother's maiden name as Marjorie > Joyce BUNTING, she is registered on the 1939 Register as Marjorie Joyce > HILL. Jill tells us that her mom's birth record gives her birth year as > 1924, so that would make her 15 years old at the time that the 1939 > Register was compiled. Likely inaccurate, but the 1939 Register gives > her birth year as 1926. > > It all seems to be a bit confusing, but with no marriage record being > available for John BUNTING and Agnes Maude HILL, it does seem to confirm > that certainly in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was taking the name of her mother, > but later had adopted her father's name. > > If you have full access to the FMP 1939 Register, would you be able to > verify the 3 persons in the PERKINS household that also included 15 year > old Marjorie Joyce? > > I trust that Jill will also see this post. > > Many thanks, > > Alan

Nivard, I am unable to subscribe to Find My Past at the moment, but for some reason I was able to find Jill McKeon's mom on the 1939 Register, although I was unable to 'unlock' the actual record. What I was able to see was that in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was living in Shardlow R.D, in a household of 3 persons. Presumably the head of that household had the name PERKINS. So maybe Marjorie Joyce was lodging there. Intriguingly, although Jill gives her mother's maiden name as Marjorie Joyce BUNTING, she is registered on the 1939 Register as Marjorie Joyce HILL. Jill tells us that her mom's birth record gives her birth year as 1924, so that would make her 15 years old at the time that the 1939 Register was compiled. Likely inaccurate, but the 1939 Register gives her birth year as 1926. It all seems to be a bit confusing, but with no marriage record being available for John BUNTING and Agnes Maude HILL, it does seem to confirm that certainly in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was taking the name of her mother, but later had adopted her father's name. If you have full access to the FMP 1939 Register, would you be able to verify the 3 persons in the PERKINS household that also included 15 year old Marjorie Joyce? I trust that Jill will also see this post. Many thanks, Alan On 10/07/2017 21:36, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I seem to have missed posting a follow up to my earlier reply > > > Okay this explains a few things > > The John PAYNE in 1939 appears to be correctly John PAINE whose birth > date in 1939 corresponds with the death below > (the 1939 NIR was like earlier census transcribed from household > schedules and he may misread the handwriting on it) > > Death > > Name: John Walter Paine > Birth Date: 4 May 1912 > Date of Registration: Jun 1982 > Age at Death: 70 > Registration district: Derby > Volume: 6 > Page: 0760 > > And this may be his birth reg which answers the relationship question, > John b1912 is the son of Agnes Maud HILL who married an Alfred Hawkins > PAINE in 1895 reg West Brom > > Name: John W Paine > Mother's Maiden Name: Hill > Registration Year: 1912 > Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun > Registration district: Bakewell > Volume: 7b > Page: 1659 > > The following may be Agnes's death reg, ages are often wrongly given > by the informant > > Name: Agnes M Paine > Birth Date: abt 1880 > Date of Registration: Jun 1967 > Age at Death: 87 > Registration district: Derby > Volume: 3a > Page: 233 > > Given the name used in 1939 and later, you would say that Agnes never > married John/Jack BUNTING but had a child and lived as man and wife > > Who registered the death in 1931 ? > > Interestingly it appears Agnes's husband Alfred Hawkins PAINE didn't > die until 1940 > > Deaths Mar 1940 > Paine Alfred H 72 Bakewell 7b 2301 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Dear folks, >> My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie >> Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John >> Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate >> was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's >> birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother >> married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along >> the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little >> information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude >> Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member >> or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my >> grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a >> DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results >> with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com >> connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's >> family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish > a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe > that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of > Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his > union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my > mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom > passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her > family history. Thank you. >> Jill McKeon >> 393 Sugarhouse Road >> Williamstown VT 05679 >> U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apparently the lack of a marriage certificate for Agnes Maude and John Bunting is the "Fly in the ointment". Long story which parts have only become known to me last year courtesy of Ruth Barber from the Derbyshire Historical Society. My Mother's family was always a mystery. She left England after marriage to my father, Sylvester James McKeon and American GI from NYC. Theirs was an unhappy marriage which resulted in divorce, another story for another day. I have a copy of my Mom's birth certificate which has father as Jack Bunting, mother Agnes Maude Bunting, address 397 Uttoexeter Rd Derby. I am having difficulty navigating this thread but will blunder on. My apologies if I am not following the rules properly. Sincerely Jill McKeon. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 6:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 157 > > Send DERBYSGEN mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/derbysgen > DERBYSGEN Info Page - Ancestry.com > lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com > Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password below. 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(Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:29:35 +0100 > From: "Alan S. Flint" <[email protected]> > To: jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack > Bunting born 1883 died 1931. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Dear Jill, > > Without wishing to get you too excited there 'may', and I stress 'may', > be a connection between us. I have a John Bunting (bn 1883) on my Tree > whose parents were Josiah Bunting and Louisa Bunting (nee Brough). The > John that that I have was apparently born in Askem in Furness, in > Lancashire, England. His father Josiah Bunting was born in 1856, in > Bonsall, Derbyshire. His mother Louisa was born in Wirksworth, > Derbyshire, in 1862. > > I am struggling at the moment to find a marriage date for 'your' John > and Agnes Maud Hill. Do you know the date when they were married, and > where the marriage may have taken place? > > It does appear that 'my' John did have a first wife (Annie Spencer), > they were married on 19th October 1910, back in Bonsall, Derbyshire. I > do know of one child that was born to them (Julia) who was apparently > born in 1911. > > If you wish you can e-mail me direct. > > Hoping to hear from you. > > Alan (Flint) > > Crich, Derbyshire (about 7 miles from Bonsall) > On 10/07/2017 11:43, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > Dear folks, > > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a > > connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > > Jill McKeon > > 393 Sugarhouse Road > > Williamstown VT 05679 > > U.S.A. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:36:00 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack > Bunting born 1883 died 1931. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > I seem to have missed posting a follow up to my earlier reply > > > Okay this explains a few things > > The John PAYNE in 1939 appears to be correctly John PAINE whose birth > date in 1939 corresponds with the death below > (the 1939 NIR was like earlier census transcribed from household > schedules and he may misread the handwriting on it) > > Death > > Name: John Walter Paine > Birth Date: 4 May 1912 > Date of Registration: Jun 1982 > Age at Death: 70 > Registration district: Derby > Volume: 6 > Page: 0760 > > And this may be his birth reg which answers the relationship question, > John b1912 is the son of Agnes Maud HILL who married an Alfred Hawkins > PAINE in 1895 reg West Brom > > Name: John W Paine > Mother's Maiden Name: Hill > Registration Year: 1912 > Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun > Registration district: Bakewell > Volume: 7b > Page: 1659 > > The following may be Agnes's death reg, ages are often wrongly given by > the informant > > Name: Agnes M Paine > Birth Date: abt 1880 > Date of Registration: Jun 1967 > Age at Death: 87 > Registration district: Derby > Volume: 3a > Page: 233 > > Given the name used in 1939 and later, you would say that Agnes never > married John/Jack BUNTING but had a child and lived as man and wife > > Who registered the death in 1931 ? > > Interestingly it appears Agnes's husband Alfred Hawkins PAINE didn't die > until 1940 > > Deaths Mar 1940 > Paine Alfred H 72 Bakewell 7b 2301 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > Dear folks, > > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > > Jill McKeon > > 393 Sugarhouse Road > > Williamstown VT 05679 > > U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:36:54 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DBY] Marjorie Joyce Bunting, daughter of John/Jack > Bunting born 1883 died 1931. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Welcome Jill > > I can see Marjories birth registration > > Births Dec 1924 > Bunting Marjorie J Hill Derby 7b 992 > > There does not appear to be any siblings > > Nor did I find an obvious marriage for her parents > > What was the specific wording on her birth cert regarding mother and > father ? > > This appears to be the death reg of the John you mention > > Deaths Dec 1931 > Bunting John 48 Derby 7b 631 > > Marjories marriage registration > > Marriages Dec 1944 > BUNTING Marjorie J McKeown Shardlow 7b 1057 > MCKEON Sylvester J Bunting Shardlow 7b 1057 > > Which would give her fathers name and occupation > (if you don't already have the certificate) > > Agnes Maud BUNTING (later PAINE or PAYNE) in the 1939 National Identity > Register > > 1939 National Identity Register > Paine (Bunting) Household (3 People) 25 Albert Road , Shardlow R.D., > Derbyshire, England > Agnes Maud Paine (Bunting) 29 May 1878 Female Housewife Widowed 139 1 > Marjorie j McKeon (Bunting) 21 Sep 1924 Female Machinist And Cutter > (Underwear) Single 139 2 > John W Paine (Payne) 04 May 1912 Male Electrician Single 139 3 > > Ref: RG101/5976C/011/6 Letter Code: RCXK > > The above suggests Agnes Maud BUNTING may have married a Mr PAINE or > PAYNE but I didn't find a marriage reg, the name changes are added at a > later date more usually after the NHS was set up and the person > registered with a doctor, it doesn't prove they were married, only that > they used that name, Marjories entry has a date 30th Oct 1944 by it > (both changes might have been when moving home as they needed to > register the change for ration books) > > If we can find a marriage for Agnes & John/Jack it would tell you who > Johns father was but so far I haven't found one > > If the John who was son of Josiah & Louise is your man he was born in > Askham in Furness Lancashire > > He married an Annie SPENCER in 1910 reg Ashborne > > They had a daughter Julia born ist quarter of 1911 > > Marriages Dec 1910 > Bunting John Ashborne 7b 1391 > Spencer Annie Ashborne 7b 1391 > > BUNTING, JULIA SPENCER > GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in ASHBOURNE Volume 07B Page 719 > > Annie possibly died shortly after > > Deaths Dec 1912 > BUNTING Annie 27 Ashbourne 7b 718 > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > Dear folks, > > My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in Australia. I would love to do establish a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank you. > > Jill McKeon > > 393 Sugarhouse Road > > Williamstown VT 05679 > > U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 157 > ******************************************

Here is the transcription data Something very strange happened. When I looked for Marjorie, on the image almost all the names were blacked out, usually meaning they are still living. When I looked for John T the image was reversed and Marjorie was blacked out. Strange AND actually Marjorie's surname is PERKINS. At a later date it changes to HILL indicating that she married a HILL. The specific entry is partially covered but could be 11-16-43(year of marriage). FindMyPast transcribes all the female surnames this way which really is false information as it does not give the correct surname on 29 Sep 1939 John T Perkins 21 Mar 1889 Male Joiner Married 93 1 Hannah Perkins 07 Nov 1887 Female Unpaid D D Married 93 2 George R Perkins 23 Dec 1919 Male Joiners Improver Married 93 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. <http://findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open> Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. <http://findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open> Marjorie J Hill (Perkins) 16 Jun 1926 Female At School Single 93 4 On 12 July 2017 at 07:19, Alan S. Flint via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > Nivard, > > I am unable to subscribe to Find My Past at the moment, but for some > reason I was able to find Jill McKeon's mom on the 1939 Register, although > I was unable to 'unlock' the actual record. What I was able to see was that > in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was living in Shardlow R.D, in a household of 3 > persons. Presumably the head of that household had the name PERKINS. So > maybe Marjorie Joyce was lodging there. > > Intriguingly, although Jill gives her mother's maiden name as Marjorie > Joyce BUNTING, she is registered on the 1939 Register as Marjorie Joyce > HILL. Jill tells us that her mom's birth record gives her birth year as > 1924, so that would make her 15 years old at the time that the 1939 > Register was compiled. Likely inaccurate, but the 1939 Register gives her > birth year as 1926. > > It all seems to be a bit confusing, but with no marriage record being > available for John BUNTING and Agnes Maude HILL, it does seem to confirm > that certainly in 1939 Marjorie Joyce was taking the name of her mother, > but later had adopted her father's name. > > If you have full access to the FMP 1939 Register, would you be able to > verify the 3 persons in the PERKINS household that also included 15 year > old Marjorie Joyce? > > I trust that Jill will also see this post. > > Many thanks, > > Alan > > > On 10/07/2017 21:36, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > >> I seem to have missed posting a follow up to my earlier reply >> >> >> Okay this explains a few things >> >> The John PAYNE in 1939 appears to be correctly John PAINE whose birth >> date in 1939 corresponds with the death below >> (the 1939 NIR was like earlier census transcribed from household >> schedules and he may misread the handwriting on it) >> >> Death >> >> Name: John Walter Paine >> Birth Date: 4 May 1912 >> Date of Registration: Jun 1982 >> Age at Death: 70 >> Registration district: Derby >> Volume: 6 >> Page: 0760 >> >> And this may be his birth reg which answers the relationship question, >> John b1912 is the son of Agnes Maud HILL who married an Alfred Hawkins >> PAINE in 1895 reg West Brom >> >> Name: John W Paine >> Mother's Maiden Name: Hill >> Registration Year: 1912 >> Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun >> Registration district: Bakewell >> Volume: 7b >> Page: 1659 >> >> The following may be Agnes's death reg, ages are often wrongly given by >> the informant >> >> Name: Agnes M Paine >> Birth Date: abt 1880 >> Date of Registration: Jun 1967 >> Age at Death: 87 >> Registration district: Derby >> Volume: 3a >> Page: 233 >> >> Given the name used in 1939 and later, you would say that Agnes never >> married John/Jack BUNTING but had a child and lived as man and wife >> >> Who registered the death in 1931 ? >> >> Interestingly it appears Agnes's husband Alfred Hawkins PAINE didn't die >> until 1940 >> >> Deaths Mar 1940 >> Paine Alfred H 72 Bakewell 7b 2301 >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 10-Jul-17 11:43 AM, jill mckeon via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> >>> Dear folks, >>> My mother's maiden name was Bunting. Her full name was Marjorie Joyce >>> Bunting, born 1924, Sept 21. Her father's name was Jack/John Bunting ( dba >>> 1883) and her mother's name on her birth certificate was Agnes Maude >>> Bunting. Jack/John died 1931 in Derbyshire. Mother's birth certificate >>> indicates father was a crane driver. My mother married an American GI and >>> came to the USA in 1944. Somewhere along the way she lost all contact with >>> her family. So I have very little information on her family. Her mother's >>> maiden name was Agnes Maude Hill. It is my belief due to research made on >>> my behalf by a member or the Derbyshire Historical Society (Ruth Barber) >>> that my grandfather Jack/John Bunting's family was from Bonsall. I did have >>> a DNA autosomal test done and would be happy to share those results with >>> you. I live in the USA and I have through ancestry.com connected with >>> some members of the maternal side of my mother's family who now reside in >>> Australia. I would love to do establish >>> >> a connection with the paternal side of my mother's family. I believe >> that Jack/John's father was Josiah and mother was Louisa Bunting of >> Bonsall. It appears that John had a wife and child previously to his union >> with Agnes Maude but both died many years before the birth of my mother in >> 1924. I look forward to hearing back from someone, my mom passed away in >> 2001 and I have no sources to find out any of her family history. Thank >> you. >> >>> Jill McKeon >>> 393 Sugarhouse Road >>> Williamstown VT 05679 >>> U.S.A. >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada

I believe that access to the 1940 US Census is freely available at all sites. Sue Herrington in Notts -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wall via DERBYSGEN Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:18 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Robert Wall Subject: [DBY] ancestry access Have found I have access to the US 1940 census without worldwide access on Ancestry.com with just a premium account ! No other USA pages are open so they must have forgot to close it off ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have found I have access to the US 1940 census without worldwide access on Ancestry.com with just a premium account ! No other USA pages are open so they must have forgot to close it off

I don't know if anyone else has noticed that there are some registers available on FamilySearch to view online (not at a FH centre) that can be found via the catalogue: For example some of the Parish registers for St. Mary and All Saints Church, Chesterfield, 1558-1971 https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/218724 The films with a camera icon link to images online. They are not indexed nor do they appear on the Derbyshire Parish Registers' page. Unfortunately some of the other parish register links I have looked at only allow access at FH centres, so you just need to try and see. Rosemary