Hi Bob In that period I suspect it would be a very benevolent boss indeed who would supply a furnished cottage A cottage or a room more likely might be available as part of the workers wages whilst working there, tied to his job, once finished they would be out on their ear There are plenty of stories about miners living in tied cottages, the man fell ill or worse was killed in a pit accident, and the widow and children thrown out to fend for themselves There are many variables but suspect most would rent a room or more until they had enough to move to something bigger, if indeed they made it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29-Jul-17 12:35 PM, BobJ via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > In the 1850s my ag lab ancestors move from Oxfordshire to West Yorkshire. > Would they get digs with a local family, or would the new employer have a furnished cottage available for them? > > Bob.

Interesting Bob. Ag Labs would usually have been provided with a basic "Tied" cottage which would have gone with the job. If the job came to an end then they would have had to move on. Furniture in those days was very basic for Ag Labs, perhaps a straw mattress for the parents. Ch -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BobJ via DERBYSGEN Sent: 29 July 2017 12:36 To: [email protected] Cc: BobJ Subject: Re: [DBY] Moving house in th 1870s In the 1850s my ag lab ancestors move from Oxfordshire to West Yorkshire. Would they get digs with a local family, or would the new employer have a furnished cottage available for them? Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

In the 1850s my ag lab ancestors move from Oxfordshire to West Yorkshire. Would they get digs with a local family, or would the new employer have a furnished cottage available for them? Bob.

There is no documentary proof of how any of my ancestors moved - they simply stop being in one place and show up in another. However one family was said in family lore to have walked when they moved to Ashford (near Bakewell) from Stoke around 1833. This always sounded feasible, its not a massive distance, and any few belongings they had could have been delivered somehow I'm sure (the husband was a framework knitter after arriving, and may, I later found, have been in the Royal Marines beforehand, so they likely wouldn't have much at all). However when I came to look at this family it turned out they were not from Stoke (on Trent) at all, but Alverstoke near Portsmouth, which puts a whole different complexion on the journey - it would surely have been at least a week's walk. Cheers Mark -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Liz via DERBYSGEN Sent: 28 July 2017 15:05 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: Liz Subject: [DBY] Moving home in 1870s Where has summer gone?? Being bored this afternoon I was reading through "Holymoorside past & present" which is where some of my ancestors lived and worked. I came across an interesting article about a family who had moved from Cornwall to Derbyshire in 1870. I feel this may apply to others who have families who lived a long way from Derbyshire and probably in other coastal areas. In 1870 three families from Cornwall - Cook, Gill and Moyle - arrived in the village from Gwennap, Cusgarne and Green Bottom in Mid-Cornwall. Rail travel was too costly and the Cook family said they sailed from Cornwall to Holyhead and were then conveyed by horse wagon to Holymoorside. Other families made the move from Cornwall to Calow as Derbyshire was considered a "promised land" where there was ample opportunity for the women to work in the Mills and men in the coal mines as the tin miners could adapt their skills. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's good stuff to learn, Liz! Celia Renshaw in Sheffield, Yorks On 28 July 2017 at 15:04, Liz via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > Where has summer gone?? Being bored this afternoon I was reading through > "Holymoorside past & present" which is where some of my ancestors lived and > worked. I came across an interesting article about a family who had moved > from Cornwall to Derbyshire in 1870. I feel this may apply to others who > have families who lived a long way from Derbyshire and probably in other > coastal areas. > > In 1870 three families from Cornwall - Cook, Gill and Moyle - arrived in > the > village from Gwennap, Cusgarne and Green Bottom in Mid-Cornwall. Rail > travel > was too costly and the Cook family said they sailed from Cornwall to > Holyhead and were then conveyed by horse wagon to Holymoorside. Other > families made the move from Cornwall to Calow as Derbyshire was considered > a > "promised land" where there was ample opportunity for the women to work in > the Mills and men in the coal mines as the tin miners could adapt their > skills. > > Liz > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where has summer gone?? Being bored this afternoon I was reading through "Holymoorside past & present" which is where some of my ancestors lived and worked. I came across an interesting article about a family who had moved from Cornwall to Derbyshire in 1870. I feel this may apply to others who have families who lived a long way from Derbyshire and probably in other coastal areas. In 1870 three families from Cornwall - Cook, Gill and Moyle - arrived in the village from Gwennap, Cusgarne and Green Bottom in Mid-Cornwall. Rail travel was too costly and the Cook family said they sailed from Cornwall to Holyhead and were then conveyed by horse wagon to Holymoorside. Other families made the move from Cornwall to Calow as Derbyshire was considered a "promised land" where there was ample opportunity for the women to work in the Mills and men in the coal mines as the tin miners could adapt their skills. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Thanks for those two links Carolyn Eye opening reading those, it seems there are very many in the same situation and who never regain their accounts Its not so much facebook as big brother I guess this is a bigger warning to all than I originally envisaged For a long time I was reluctant to use facebook, it appears my fears are proving all to real I cannot understand how an organisation such as facebook can be allowed to continue without some sort of governance Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 2:02 PM, Carolyn Hastings via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Nivard, and all, although I first suspected some sort of phishing or > hacking, I did some research and found that this isn't at all unusual. > Very scary. > > Two articles I found interesting (but not helpful, as it seems there is no > help): > > https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenextweb.com/facebook/2013/01/15/what-happened-when-facebook-disabled-my-account/%3famp=1 > > and > > http://www.optimizationtoday.com/social-media/what-i-learned-when-facebook-disabled-my-account/ > > Looks as if the only people who ever get this straightened out are high > profile celebrities, such treatment isn't accorded us plebes. > > Carolyn

Thanks for yours Linda So far I am not taking the prospect of a hacker being involved to seriously I am aware of the possibility of malicious persons reporting others, I am not aware of upsetting anyone but its easily done without realising it, so who knows, or maybe just someone being spiteful just for the heck of it Personally I do have serious qualms over social media, they are out of control in my humble opinion, they need reining in, it may be a huge corporation but they should not be above all else I can understand them checking identities, what I cannot understand is the total lack of warning, and the ignorance they treat us with, if they have a problem they should tell us what it is In my case it would take all of ten seconds to see that I am who I say I am and that I am doing nothing nefarious I have input yet another one of the proofs of ID they ask for, so far no response at all, previously they sent a reply email to say they were looking into it Facebooks whole resin d'etre is to sell to or use its users data, this does not strike me as the best way of going about it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 7:46 PM, taxwizzard wrote: > I wasn't going to say anything about this but as people seem to think > it's a hacker, I thought I would. > > Unlike many, I have no qualms about social media. The various platforms > provide a free service and therefore you have to give a little of your > soul to use it or something! A price worth paying? Maybe, maybe not. > > Facebook have been checking up on identities for a couple of years now. > This isn't a hack. I know many people who have had to provide evidence

I wasn't going to say anything about this but as people seem to think it's a hacker, I thought I would. Unlike many, I have no qualms about social media. The various platforms provide a free service and therefore you have to give a little of your soul to use it or something! A price worth paying? Maybe, maybe not. Facebook have been checking up on identities for a couple of years now. This isn't a hack. I know many people who have had to provide evidence to support their id/name on that platform including my own son because he has a most unusual name. Some have had to do it because their name is the same as a famous individual, either dead or alive. Others because their name suggests it may not be real for whatever reason. Another reason is because someone, for whatever nefarious reason, has decided to report you as having a false id and yes it happens, all the time and it's downright malicious. Facebook is a huge corporation not a democracy, hence the lack of access to a real person. It's a horrible situation to be in and I empathise. You are not the first and you will not be the last to be treated in this manner. I suspect that as your name isn't 'John Smith', this is the reason for the deactivation of the account Again, it isn't a hack. Hope you manage to get the situation resolved. Linda On 27 July 2017 at 19:12, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > > I wish it was in this case but so far its been nearly a whole week > > I am beginning to think I shall never regain access to my account, perhaps > that might be a good thing who knows > > It certainly highlights the risks of replying on facebook to much > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 27-Jul-17 7:07 PM, carole williams wrote: > >> Something similar happened to me within two hours of joining FB years >> ago. It baffled and outraged me too for days but I can't recall the >> solution, sorry. Maybe it was deleting history and restarting. I just >> recall it was quick and simple.... >> >> C >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I wish it was in this case but so far its been nearly a whole week I am beginning to think I shall never regain access to my account, perhaps that might be a good thing who knows It certainly highlights the risks of replying on facebook to much Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 7:07 PM, carole williams wrote: > Something similar happened to me within two hours of joining FB years ago. It baffled and outraged me too for days but I can't recall the solution, sorry. Maybe it was deleting history and restarting. I just recall it was quick and simple.... > > C

Thanks Carole But no not in this case, its blocked by facebook I also clear temp internet files and cookies after every session But thank you for the suggestion Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 6:47 PM, carole williams via DERBYSGEN wrote: > One can usually overcome blocking by hackers who use the 'ransom software' by deleting your browsing history and restarting. So you might like to try that to see if it helps in your case... Just a thought... > > Carole

Tonights episode is on Adil Ray (no, I had to look him up too) Probably best known for citizen Khan Born in Birmingham to a Pakistani father and Kenyan mother -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Carole Yes that thought had crossed my mind also It would make a lot more sense of fb just told me the area of their concern Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 6:38 PM, carole williams via DERBYSGEN wrote: > If it is a hacker, then their mindset is not like ours. They are often just spoilers and mischief makers who are not out for any gain. Sad gits! > > Good luck.

Hi Margaret re entering false information, I would say you are with the majority there People simply don't trust the likes of facebook, and rightly so it appears I don't think we can trust them with our information, they are it seems a loose canon with no one keeping them in check Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 6:10 PM, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Very worrying. I often enter incorrect details rather than give real information (like date of birth) on social media. I even use alternative names sometimes. I tweet under another name, for example. But lots of people do. > > Like you, I can't see the reason. > > Margaret

Something similar happened to me within two hours of joining FB years ago. It baffled and outraged me too for days but I can't recall the solution, sorry. Maybe it was deleting history and restarting. I just recall it was quick and simple.... C Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Jul 2017, at 18:52, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Carole > > Yes that thought had crossed my mind also > > It would make a lot more sense of fb just told me the area of their concern > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 27-Jul-17 6:38 PM, carole williams via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> If it is a hacker, then their mindset is not like ours. They are often just spoilers and mischief makers who are not out for any gain. Sad gits! >> Good luck. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One can usually overcome blocking by hackers who use the 'ransom software' by deleting your browsing history and restarting. So you might like to try that to see if it helps in your case... Just a thought... Carole Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Jul 2017, at 18:11, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Very worrying. I often enter incorrect details rather than give real information (like date of birth) on social media. I even use alternative names sometimes. I tweet under another name, for example. But lots of people do. > > Like you, I can't see the reason. > > Margaret > >> On 27 Jul 2017, at 17:39, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Carolyn >> >> No, not informed by email in itself, I returned to find my account disabled, and when following the procedure for trying to regain control via facebook, did I receive an email, telling me the two forms of ID I had supplied didn't match the details on my account >> >> So if a hack I am a tad baffled as to its motive, as facebook have disabled the account any hacker wouldn't be able to use it anyway >> >> What I do not understand is their refusal to identify what the problem was, ie what was this violation I am accused of, they just ignore messages >> >> I was foolishly under the assumption that you were innocent until proven guilty, it seems facebook applies the kangaroo courts of old >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >>> On 26-Jul-17 11:32 PM, Carolyn Hastings via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>> I agree with Mike -- if you were informed by email, and then followed links >>> provided by the notice in the email, it was probably definitely a hack. >>> Carolyn Hastings >>> Madison AL, and sometimes Clinton Ma and Norfolk, VA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it is a hacker, then their mindset is not like ours. They are often just spoilers and mischief makers who are not out for any gain. Sad gits! Good luck. Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Jul 2017, at 18:11, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Very worrying. I often enter incorrect details rather than give real information (like date of birth) on social media. I even use alternative names sometimes. I tweet under another name, for example. But lots of people do. > > Like you, I can't see the reason. > > Margaret > >> On 27 Jul 2017, at 17:39, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Carolyn >> >> No, not informed by email in itself, I returned to find my account disabled, and when following the procedure for trying to regain control via facebook, did I receive an email, telling me the two forms of ID I had supplied didn't match the details on my account >> >> So if a hack I am a tad baffled as to its motive, as facebook have disabled the account any hacker wouldn't be able to use it anyway >> >> What I do not understand is their refusal to identify what the problem was, ie what was this violation I am accused of, they just ignore messages >> >> I was foolishly under the assumption that you were innocent until proven guilty, it seems facebook applies the kangaroo courts of old >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >>> On 26-Jul-17 11:32 PM, Carolyn Hastings via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>> I agree with Mike -- if you were informed by email, and then followed links >>> provided by the notice in the email, it was probably definitely a hack. >>> Carolyn Hastings >>> Madison AL, and sometimes Clinton Ma and Norfolk, VA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very worrying. I often enter incorrect details rather than give real information (like date of birth) on social media. I even use alternative names sometimes. I tweet under another name, for example. But lots of people do. Like you, I can't see the reason. Margaret > On 27 Jul 2017, at 17:39, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Carolyn > > No, not informed by email in itself, I returned to find my account disabled, and when following the procedure for trying to regain control via facebook, did I receive an email, telling me the two forms of ID I had supplied didn't match the details on my account > > So if a hack I am a tad baffled as to its motive, as facebook have disabled the account any hacker wouldn't be able to use it anyway > > What I do not understand is their refusal to identify what the problem was, ie what was this violation I am accused of, they just ignore messages > > I was foolishly under the assumption that you were innocent until proven guilty, it seems facebook applies the kangaroo courts of old > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 26-Jul-17 11:32 PM, Carolyn Hastings via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> I agree with Mike -- if you were informed by email, and then followed links >> provided by the notice in the email, it was probably definitely a hack. >> Carolyn Hastings >> Madison AL, and sometimes Clinton Ma and Norfolk, VA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Mike There are two problems there ;-) Firstly I am not Nick <bg> But as facebook have disabled my account it doesn't show at all, so no one can send a friend request Part of the silliness of all this, is that I only have a few accepted friend requests, my wife, children and relatives mostly So anyone looking at my page would see who was friended Unless as has been suggested, its been hacked by some nefarious ne'er do well But thank you for looking much appreciated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Jul-17 1:40 PM, Mike Morris via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > Nick can you ask a friend who is a member of Facebook and you have their email address to 'Friend' you?. See if it lets you join. > I tried it but there are many Nick Ovington's on Facebook. I could not figure out which one was you. > Mike Morris Toronto Canada

Nick can you ask a friend who is a member of Facebook and you have their email address to 'Friend' you?. See if it lets you join. I tried it but there are many Nick Ovington's on Facebook. I could not figure out which one was you. Mike Morris Toronto Canada From: Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:25 AM   The reason for having my account disabled is a mystery (to me at least) All it says is :- Why was my account disabled? Your account was disabled for violating the Facebook Terms. <snip>