Indeed - I should have mentioned that too! I've not a lot of success there either but that's the luck of the draw. Andy At 13:00 11/08/2017, you wrote: >Something worth pointing out is that there is a website called Gedmatch where you can upload your autosomal DNA results irrespective of which company you�ve tested with. ...

I've had all 3 done - YDNA (useful for my ONS) MTDNA and ATDNA (mildly interesting but no use!) On ATDNA I had far too many short matches with people who don't seem related or don't have trees. The only decent match is with someone I already was in contact with (at least it confirms our research!) As for ethnicity, I see it only as a bit of fun. I don't see how it can be of any real use as after a few generations you can loose all traces of an ancestral branch. Choosing companies isn't too difficult. For YDNA it has to be FTDNA. For ATDNA you can choose - Ancestry has more UK people but remember you can work on your matches with Ancestry only if you continue to subscribe. Will the data be stolen by government? Probably! HTH Andy.

Hello Alan Thanks for the reminder about the Gedmatch site. I registered to join it - and that got distracted. I shall relook at it. Marjorie Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk

Something worth pointing out is that there is a website called Gedmatch where you can upload your autosomal DNA results irrespective of which company you’ve tested with. This will then give you access to matches from other testing companies. Obviously you will only get matches from people who have chosen to upload their data, but these are likely to be people who are serious about finding matches and are therefore more likely to reply to your e mails. Amazingly, it looks like a lot of people do the test just to find out their ethnic mix, even though this isn’t that accurate. They are probably the ones who have minimal trees online and don’t reply to e mails from their matches. Whilst I haven’t used Gedmatch yet, I intend to upload my wife’s results when we get them. I’ve read about the site and it seems that you can do a lot of manipulation of the data, and also they have a more precise ethnic origin tool than the testing companies. It’s also free to use, although they do appreciate donations. Alan Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Marjorie Ward via DERBYSGEN<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 11 August 2017 11:03 To: Derbyshire genealogy<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Marjorie Ward<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] DNA - what happens next? Good Morning I was first involved with a DNA project a few years ago through the HOLLINGWORTH project - organised in the U.S. they send out a weekly information sheet. My nephew supplied the sample and although this showed that our branch, along with a couple of others, are descended from those who lived at Hollingworth Hall in the 16th century, it doesn`t help at all to find out where my William HOLLINGWORTH who married Esther MOREHOUSE in Glossop in 1801 was born. At that time they seem to have been nonconformists although reverting back to C of E in the mid 19th century. It was searching for William that led me to set up my NWDS website as I got permission from the then Local History librarian in Matlock to photocopy for free the 1841 census for Glossop parish, as long as I made it available to others. When this census became available on line I found that in fact William had moved into Lancashire (via Macclesfield in Cheshire. Baptisms of children are very useful in following his movements.) William died in November 1841 and I have his death certificate - but have not yet found where he is buried. Last year both John & I had our DNA checked by Ancestry and I put a skeleton tree on for both of us. I sent many emails to different folk said to be linked to one of us but only had a couple of replies. A recent one, showing someone was descended from the brother of John`s GGrandfather looked promising but I have not heard back from my message outlining the link. I shall now go back on to Ancestry and see if there are any more communications. Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net<http://www.disley.net> Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi My great grandmother Sarah Ann Foulk (who came from Horsley) also died in Mickleover Asylum in 1916. She had been in there for 4 years before her death which was caused by Epilepsy. I found this out several years ago and it was a great surprise to the family as my Mum had always been told that her grandmother had died in Derby Hospital. The patient records for Mickleover are held at Derbyshire Record Office (or they were?) and are closed for 100 years but I managed, through a researcher, to obtain some extracts of my great grandmother's notes which provided me with a full physical description of her and her condition and made very interesting, if sad, reading. It seems that her Epilepsy (which was obviously uncontrolled by medication) resulted in many falls and head injuries which in turn caused her mental health to deteriorate, hence her admission to the asylum. She was only 46 when she died. It might be worth exploring this avenue so that you can find out more about your great-great grandmother's death. Regards Deb Walker Mirfield W Yorks

A sad story Deb, thanks for sharing. It makes us realise how fortunate we are today, benefiting from so much advance in modern medicine, for conditions such as epilepsy, t.b.. type 1 diabetes, Addison's disease, to name but a few, all of which would have resulted in early death. Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad On 11 Aug 2017, at 11:40, Deb Walker via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: Hi My great grandmother Sarah Ann Foulk (who came from Horsley) also died in Mickleover Asylum in 1916. She had been in there for 4 years before her death which was caused by Epilepsy. I found this out several years ago and it was a great surprise to the family as my Mum had always been told that her grandmother had died in Derby Hospital. The patient records for Mickleover are held at Derbyshire Record Office (or they were?) and are closed for 100 years but I managed, through a researcher, to obtain some extracts of my great grandmother's notes which provided me with a full physical description of her and her condition and made very interesting, if sad, reading. It seems that her Epilepsy (which was obviously uncontrolled by medication) resulted in many falls and head injuries which in turn caused her mental health to deteriorate, hence her admission to the asylum. She was only 46 when she died. It might be worth exploring this avenue so that you can find out more about your great-great grandmother's death. Regards Deb Walker Mirfield W Yorks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Records Office at Matlock have the details of patients at Mickleover.Years ago you could see the page sof a relative but I doubt you can now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kermit--- via DERBYSGEN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:42 AM Subject: [DBY] Death in an asylum > > I just received the GRO death certificate for my great great > grandmother, and it states that she died of Tuberculosis in the county > asylum in Mickleover in 1915. She was married with children in Eyam at > the time. Was the county asylum also used like a hospice at that time? > Or would she have been in there for mental illness and then died? > There's also a line I don't understand in her cause of death box: it > reads (1) Tuberculosis of lungs, Old date P.M., certified by J H > Oldroyd. Any idea what "Old date P.M." means? I assume it has > something to do with how long she had tuberculosis for, but I don't > understand this reference. > Elyssa KowalinskiMelbourne, Australia > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning I was first involved with a DNA project a few years ago through the HOLLINGWORTH project - organised in the U.S. they send out a weekly information sheet. My nephew supplied the sample and although this showed that our branch, along with a couple of others, are descended from those who lived at Hollingworth Hall in the 16th century, it doesn`t help at all to find out where my William HOLLINGWORTH who married Esther MOREHOUSE in Glossop in 1801 was born. At that time they seem to have been nonconformists although reverting back to C of E in the mid 19th century. It was searching for William that led me to set up my NWDS website as I got permission from the then Local History librarian in Matlock to photocopy for free the 1841 census for Glossop parish, as long as I made it available to others. When this census became available on line I found that in fact William had moved into Lancashire (via Macclesfield in Cheshire. Baptisms of children are very useful in following his movements.) William died in November 1841 and I have his death certificate - but have not yet found where he is buried. Last year both John & I had our DNA checked by Ancestry and I put a skeleton tree on for both of us. I sent many emails to different folk said to be linked to one of us but only had a couple of replies. A recent one, showing someone was descended from the brother of John`s GGrandfather looked promising but I have not heard back from my message outlining the link. I shall now go back on to Ancestry and see if there are any more communications. Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk

Hi List I also have shared the frustration with the matched results from my ancestry DNA test. Having said that I have a number of matches where we have been successful in determining the link. In particular I have multiple matches to the Reay family tree which confirms I am descended from James Reay. James was originally from Wybunbury Cheshire but was named on the bastardy papers as the father of my Great Grandmother Maria Dicken born 1833 St Peter Derby. Maria's mother Henrietta was telling the truth! Stephen Burns Sent from my iPhone

I can identify with much of what Joy says on the subject Personally I see no great need to know that I descend from some unidentifiable person or persons who may or may not have come from XY & Z The ethnic origin percentage changes company to company and even within company over a period of time as more samples are added, so what exactly does that tell me? very little IMHO I can see the point in testing where two identified lines want to confirm that connection but otherwise I find it rather meaningless What hasn't as yet been mentioned is the subject of security, its said that the samples cannot be used for certain things and that the companies involved are subject to law etc, but for my part I simply don't trust them, a sample may not be used for certain things now, but what of the future, I can see a great interest in the subject by insurance companies for example So I will remain a Luddite thank you very much and let others find out the pitfalls Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11-Aug-17 9:54 AM, Joy Hungerford via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Liz > > > I've surprised myself over my reaction to the idea of a DNA test. I would have thought that I'd be keen > to take one (or persuade my brother to) and eager to find out any results which might make sense and > add to my genealogical knowledge. > > Instead, the apparent complexities of choosing the most suitable firm, understanding the results, > contacting possible matches and probing further back than I have managed to do without, all seem a bit a bit daunting. > At present, I have a complete set of 3GGP on both sides. Earlier than this, I have predictably more and more gaps > in each generation. I don't see how DNA testing could help me with filling in those gaps. Although it would be mildly > interesting to know that I descended from Vikings, unless I could claim to be the Nth GGD of the infamous > Sven Bloodletter, I don't feel a buzz. > > Am I approaching genealogy in the wrong way, do you suppose? > Or am I just not mature enough to face my global commitments? > > Kind regards and thank you for the information > > Joy

The County Asylum in Mickleover was eventually called The Pastures and was purely a lunatic asylum. There is a very good web site about it http://www.countyasylums.co.uk/pastures-derby/ so I don't need to give you the history. PM would have stood for Post Mortem. She obviously had TB for a long time. Liz -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kermit--- via DERBYSGEN Sent: 11 August 2017 07:42 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [DBY] Death in an asylum I just received the GRO death certificate for my great great grandmother, and it states that she died of Tuberculosis in the county asylum in Mickleover in 1915. She was married with children in Eyam at the time. Was the county asylum also used like a hospice at that time? Or would she have been in there for mental illness and then died? There's also a line I don't understand in her cause of death box: it reads (1) Tuberculosis of lungs, Old date P.M., certified by J H Oldroyd. Any idea what "Old date P.M." means? I assume it has something to do with how long she had tuberculosis for, but I don't understand this reference. Elyssa KowalinskiMelbourne, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Hi Liz I've surprised myself over my reaction to the idea of a DNA test. I would have thought that I'd be keen to take one (or persuade my brother to) and eager to find out any results which might make sense and add to my genealogical knowledge. Instead, the apparent complexities of choosing the most suitable firm, understanding the results, contacting possible matches and probing further back than I have managed to do without, all seem a bit a bit daunting. At present, I have a complete set of 3GGP on both sides. Earlier than this, I have predictably more and more gaps in each generation. I don't see how DNA testing could help me with filling in those gaps. Although it would be mildly interesting to know that I descended from Vikings, unless I could claim to be the Nth GGD of the infamous Sven Bloodletter, I don't feel a buzz. Am I approaching genealogy in the wrong way, do you suppose? Or am I just not mature enough to face my global commitments? Kind regards and thank you for the information Joy ________________________________ From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Liz via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> Sent: 10 August 2017 21:17 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: Liz Subject: [DBY] DNA - what happens next? Hi Everyone I'm sure many of you are wondering, is it worth doing my DNA? Which company should I use? What will I find out?

I took a Y DNA test a few years ago to try and break through the brick wall of my 3x great grandfather John Bloor. I did it through the Bloor Society who have a project going, and I found some clues as to how I might be connected to other Bloors in the area, but sadly the all important paper connection is still elusive. For a Y DNA test you need to test at least 37 markers to get a meaningful result. Last week my wife sent off an autosomal test for herself. She hasn't done any work on her family tree because she was adopted. She is hoping to find relatives of her alleged father (an American airman whose name, approx age and a few minor details she knows). We are not holding our breath but it's worth a shot. We have used Family Tree DNA because they at least give you the real names of your matches, and you don't have to pay a subscription or search trees. I will also upload her results to Gedmatch when we get them. Alan Bloor Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: ‎11/‎08/‎2017 07:50 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Margaret Siudek<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] DNA - what happens next? The Lost Cousins website had a very useful summary of where we are in DNA research this summer in one of their emails. It's a field that is changing fast. It's well worth reading about the differences between the usefulness of Y, X or autosomal tests - and between the different company's tests. The tests are not automatically shared, as the results are confidential. But you can choose to upload your data for free from the initial tester to some others, to see how their report on your data changes- or is the same. I initially used FamilyTree DNA, and uploaded to GEDMatch as well. I must confess that I haven't made my tree accessible (which wouldn't please Mark) but I have entered a list of surnames- with locations. I haven't found any close links through them, and like Mark, my experience is that people often don't answer emails if you try to contact them- but it's fascinating- especially GEDMatch. So worth looking at if you are not sure about testing- https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/jun17news.htm Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elyssa Asylums were often also used as a sanatorium for TB cases TB being highly infectious they wanted to keep the patients as separate as they could from others Not entirely sure what the Old date P.M. stands for, P.M. on death certs often relate to post mortem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11-Aug-17 7:42 AM, kermit--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > I just received the GRO death certificate for my great great > grandmother, and it states that she died of Tuberculosis in the county > asylum in Mickleover in 1915. She was married with children in Eyam at > the time. Was the county asylum also used like a hospice at that time? > Or would she have been in there for mental illness and then died? > There's also a line I don't understand in her cause of death box: it > reads (1) Tuberculosis of lungs, Old date P.M., certified by J H > Oldroyd. Any idea what "Old date P.M." means? I assume it has > something to do with how long she had tuberculosis for, but I don't > understand this reference. > Elyssa KowalinskiMelbourne, Australia

Hi Elyssa I don't know if you know this, but beautiful Eyam village has a fascinating history. I live not far away. It's known as the Plague village - see here for more info http://www.eyam-museum.org.uk/. Descendants of the amazing survivors have been tracked and their blood analysed to see why they survived. Coincidentally in Africa prostitutes who recovered 100% from AIDS without treatment had theirs analysed by scientists seeking info for treatments. Amazingly both samples contained a rare blood factor - I think it was factor 32. Just a little interesting snippet. Carole Sent from my iPad On 11 Aug 2017, at 08:15, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Elyssa Asylums were often also used as a sanatorium for TB cases TB being highly infectious they wanted to keep the patients as separate as they could from others Not entirely sure what the Old date P.M. stands for, P.M. on death certs often relate to post mortem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11-Aug-17 7:42 AM, kermit--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: I just received the GRO death certificate for my great great grandmother, and it states that she died of Tuberculosis in the county asylum in Mickleover in 1915. She was married with children in Eyam at the time. Was the county asylum also used like a hospice at that time? Or would she have been in there for mental illness and then died? There's also a line I don't understand in her cause of death box: it reads (1) Tuberculosis of lungs, Old date P.M., certified by J H Oldroyd. Any idea what "Old date P.M." means? I assume it has something to do with how long she had tuberculosis for, but I don't understand this reference. Elyssa KowalinskiMelbourne, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz I don't know anything about ancestry's DNA offering. I did mine through Family Tree DNA about 10 years ago, and finding no connections through it at the time I haven't really kept up with the technology - although I did have another check for matches a few months ago as it happens - the first time I've looked in years. You don't mention the difference between the Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA. The Y chromosome is inherited down the male line, and the mtDNA by everyone. The fact that surnames are generally passed down the male line too obviously ties in with the Y chromosome and so this is generally the widest used in genealogy, and there are establish metrics to guide how many generations back a common ancestor was between two 'matches' according to how many of the standard 'markers' match in two samples. These figures are quickly from memory as I have to go to work soon, but back when mine was tested the standard test was for (I think) 27 markers, and 26 matches meant a common ancestor in about (I think) 5-10 generations, and 25 matches was about (again, I think) 8-25 generations. I didn't find anyone in the databases with more than about 23 matches, so a good way before written records. On the mtDNA side, I still get the occasional email alerting me to a supposed match, and I can't remember the numbers for these, but certainly all the matches I have had are well into the double digits of generations (at least), and with the number of different surnames we all have at that level it is simply not worth trying to discover who two matching people's common ancestor might be. So to be of use you really need a match on the Y side with just 1 (or possibly 2) marker difference, and on the mtDNA side an almost exact match. The Y-dna database I'm on (although I think most of them share contents, so if a person is registered with a different company you should still find them) there are "special interest groups" for each surname, and in the ALLEN group (my surname) there are quite a lot of examples of clusters of maybe 3,4 or 5 members who have a common ancestor in the few hundred years (mainly Americans who have found an earlier American, or perhaps the original settler but with no idea where in England they came from), and hundreds of people like me with no common ancestors. Indeed I seemed to have about the worst matches of anyone when I originally did it (probably because most of the ALLEN members were American)! The bottom line is that if you happen to strike it lucky, you could just make a link on your direct paternal line, but in general you will have to be happy with being given a bit of generic information on which route out of Africa your most distant ancestors took to get to the UK (or wherever you're from). Would I do it again? Yes I would, on the off-chance of a breakthrough on my paternal line, but I wouldn't have any great hopes. Of course as more and more people do it, the chances of finding close matches, and thus its usefulness, will increase. One important point though, is if you're female, get a close male relative to do the test instead, because you don't have a Y chromosome. Now I really must shoot off. However you've piqued my interest and I might try and dig out my records this weekend and have another look. Cheers Mark -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Liz via DERBYSGEN Sent: 10 August 2017 21:18 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: Liz Subject: [DBY] DNA - what happens next? Hi Everyone I'm sure many of you are wondering, is it worth doing my DNA? Which company should I use? What will I find out? Hopefully I can answer some of your questions. My Mother's cousin has had his done but through Living DNA. So far he's not done anything with the results I think he needs to join a DNA group? Any advice please. I decided to do mine through Ancestry. The results came through and I found them very interesting. I am 63% English, 25% Western Europe and a few bits and pieces way way back. Nothing new there, it was what I expected. So, then comes the next phase...looking at all the "connections". This I have found extremely frustrating. There are 295 pages of "Connections" for me and 50 names on each page! 85% of the people who had their DNA done have not put their trees online. What's the point? 5% have their trees "Private" but most of them have less than 100 ancestors in their trees. 8% have less than 1,000 ancestors researched. So, that left me just 2% of trees online with over 1,000. I have found there's very little point in looking at any tree that has less than 1000 people on it. Also, many people have just put names - no dates or places of birth, marriage or death. Again, what's the point. Elizabeth Allen with no DOB or location is a complete waste of time. Over the last month I've only managed to find about 5 people who I can see are related and I've written to them. Sad to say, most of the "connections" are with people in the US who have not researched their lines as far back as England and apart from all the common names - Taylor, Brown, White, Allen, etc I have not found anything really "interesting". A couple of Derbyshire connections through the Needhams, Lowes and Reaneys and that's it. If you decide to do your DNA, please put your direct ancestors on line, make them "open". After all, if you've done DNA presumably you want to find connections as well as finding where you come from and you should not rely on other people doing the research. You don't need to put your whole tree on there, just your direct ancestors. Don't be selfish. I get very frustrated by people who say, "I don't want anyone to copy my work"...let's be honest, everything is now available for us to find - we now have so much research online with copies of the original census documents, parish records, etc. There are a lot of different organisations you can do your DNA through but if, like many of us, you use Ancestry, you may find that one most useful. You do not have to be a subscriber to put your tree on there, you can do your DNA through them BUT, then they catch you because you can't look at any "Matches" unless you are a subscriber or a friend puts your tree on there. They do have a special rate, at the moment, for people who've done their DNA to subscribe and that's £59.99. If anyone has experience of other DNA tests, please let us know what you think. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Lost Cousins website had a very useful summary of where we are in DNA research this summer in one of their emails. It's a field that is changing fast. It's well worth reading about the differences between the usefulness of Y, X or autosomal tests - and between the different company's tests. The tests are not automatically shared, as the results are confidential. But you can choose to upload your data for free from the initial tester to some others, to see how their report on your data changes- or is the same. I initially used FamilyTree DNA, and uploaded to GEDMatch as well. I must confess that I haven't made my tree accessible (which wouldn't please Mark) but I have entered a list of surnames- with locations. I haven't found any close links through them, and like Mark, my experience is that people often don't answer emails if you try to contact them- but it's fascinating- especially GEDMatch. So worth looking at if you are not sure about testing- https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/jun17news.htm Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone I'm sure many of you are wondering, is it worth doing my DNA? Which company should I use? What will I find out? Hopefully I can answer some of your questions. My Mother's cousin has had his done but through Living DNA. So far he's not done anything with the results I think he needs to join a DNA group? Any advice please. I decided to do mine through Ancestry. The results came through and I found them very interesting. I am 63% English, 25% Western Europe and a few bits and pieces way way back. Nothing new there, it was what I expected. So, then comes the next phase...looking at all the "connections". This I have found extremely frustrating. There are 295 pages of "Connections" for me and 50 names on each page! 85% of the people who had their DNA done have not put their trees online. What's the point? 5% have their trees "Private" but most of them have less than 100 ancestors in their trees. 8% have less than 1,000 ancestors researched. So, that left me just 2% of trees online with over 1,000. I have found there's very little point in looking at any tree that has less than 1000 people on it. Also, many people have just put names - no dates or places of birth, marriage or death. Again, what's the point. Elizabeth Allen with no DOB or location is a complete waste of time. Over the last month I've only managed to find about 5 people who I can see are related and I've written to them. Sad to say, most of the "connections" are with people in the US who have not researched their lines as far back as England and apart from all the common names - Taylor, Brown, White, Allen, etc I have not found anything really "interesting". A couple of Derbyshire connections through the Needhams, Lowes and Reaneys and that's it. If you decide to do your DNA, please put your direct ancestors on line, make them "open". After all, if you've done DNA presumably you want to find connections as well as finding where you come from and you should not rely on other people doing the research. You don't need to put your whole tree on there, just your direct ancestors. Don't be selfish. I get very frustrated by people who say, "I don't want anyone to copy my work"...let's be honest, everything is now available for us to find - we now have so much research online with copies of the original census documents, parish records, etc. There are a lot of different organisations you can do your DNA through but if, like many of us, you use Ancestry, you may find that one most useful. You do not have to be a subscriber to put your tree on there, you can do your DNA through them BUT, then they catch you because you can't look at any "Matches" unless you are a subscriber or a friend puts your tree on there. They do have a special rate, at the moment, for people who've done their DNA to subscribe and that's £59.99. If anyone has experience of other DNA tests, please let us know what you think. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

I've been following all these reports about facebook which I find very strange. I gather it's been going on for several years now and many people have complained. What I don't understand is that many people do not have a photo at all...some have photos of their dogs and I have a photo of myself taken 65 years ago. I also have a web site for my teddy bear who has now retired to Sudbury Hall (National Trust - museum of childhood). If anyone is visiting Sudbury Hall in Derbyshire, he is in the WWII cabinet and would be delighted to see you. While you are there you can drive just round the corner to Sudbury Prison where you can have an excellent lunch in the Officers' Mess. The prison was built for the US Army during WWII and the restaurant was the Officers' Mess. The prison is an Open Prison and the prisoners are trained for life on the outside. The food is excellent and the restaurant is always busy and you need to book. I can only presume that people are "targeted" on Facbook on an ad hoc basis so you never know who will be next. I couldn't care if they kicked me off, I rarely use it and am only there for friends and family who like to send photos and messages rather than emails, I would rather have emails. Liz -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN Sent: 09 August 2017 08:20 To: [email protected] Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [DBY] Just highlighting a problem which may affect you Hi Theresa Thanks for yours, but no its definitely facebook, no one else Its just a ridiculous, almost fascist system Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-Aug-17 3:31 AM, Theresa Goss via DERBYSGEN wrote: > It definitely sounds like you have someone else trying to get information out of you please do not supply them with any information you do not need any of that for Facebook. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Hi Theresa Thanks for yours, but no its definitely facebook, no one else Its just a ridiculous, almost fascist system Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-Aug-17 3:31 AM, Theresa Goss via DERBYSGEN wrote: > It definitely sounds like you have someone else trying to get information out of you please do not supply them with any information you do not need any of that for Facebook.