Kathy, the Margaret Higgins database is a cd, sold by the Catholic FHS. I have sent you the Torrs information. It doesn't have family information, just name, date, place and origin of information. I have found it very useful in Lancashire to put together a Cunliffe family who remained Catholic through the penal years. All my husband's people in Derbyshire were Anglican or Methodist so I know nothing about the situation there. In the Clayton le Moors area Catholics and Protestants were very mixed in the 1700s. People changed churches often at marriage. It's one area where women were quite dominant despite the date, rather to my surprise, and a man often changed to his spouse's church, though it also happened the other way. But there were also mixed marriages where each remained in his or her own church and then the children might divide in all sorts of ways. I have one marriage where the boys were Anglican, like their father and the girls Catholics like their mother. This is towards the end of the 1700s.

Hi Natalia, I'm very interested in those books, as my family came from Derbyshire, and although I live in Australia, my sister-in-law lives in New Zealand and could bring them over when she comes in a month or so. Please let me know if that would be suitable for you. She lives in Raumati Beach, north of Wellington. Many thanks, Jeanette Brentnall. On 2 Jun 2018, at 1:51 pm, Natalia A McKenzie <natalia.anne.mckenzie@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, We are having a clear-out and to prepare for selling our home and moving somewhere much smaller. I have two books in as new condition I would be happy to send on to interested persons living in New Zealand. Posting to the UK is prohibitively expensive but I am happy to simply pass them on within NZ. They are: Susan M. Wright, Derbyshire Gentry in the Fifteenth Century, 1983. David G. Edwards (ed.), Derbyshire Wills, 1998. Natalia A. McKenzie _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Jeanette Brentnall 4 Oak Beach Rd., Oak Beach, Queensland 4877 phone: 0740 985216

Hello, We are having a clear-out and to prepare for selling our home and moving somewhere much smaller. I have two books in as new condition I would be happy to send on to interested persons living in New Zealand. Posting to the UK is prohibitively expensive but I am happy to simply pass them on within NZ. They are: Susan M. Wright, Derbyshire Gentry in the Fifteenth Century, 1983. David G. Edwards (ed.), Derbyshire Wills, 1998. Natalia A. McKenzie

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Hi Marie, Thanks for the info you posted on the Catholic database, no, I didn't know about it but it sounds promising - what is the information it gives please? i.e. parents, place names, etc. None of my people appear to have a baptism record (period 1600 - 1800) just marriage records, which of course had to take place in an Anglican Church by Law. So being under this impression, I've never looked. However, I have just been trying to by googling the 'Margaret Higgins database of Catholics 1607-1840' you said, but couldn't find a way in to find a list of names. At the moment I am not subscribed to Ancestry or FMP and am not on Facebook. Might you be able to have a look for me as to whether between 1660-1800 there are any Torr/Torres named Robert, Thomas, John, Godfrey, Richard, Benjamin, Mary, Elizabeth, Ann please? If names are noted with places they would be Eyam, Hathersage, Tideswell, Castleton. I can see what you mean about the complications encountered in your own family and, as Celia pointed out, that there was lots of dissent within families over baptisms. you've managed to get some good, interesting stuff there though. I understand if you can't do the look up for me - these things take precious time, I know and I appreciate your bringing it to my notice anyway. Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad On 1 Jun 2018, at 20:55, Marie ball <marieballtov@gmail.com> wrote: Kathy, have you looked at the new Margaret Higgins database of Catholics 1607-1840? There are Torrs on that, but possibly information you already have.

Kathy, have you looked at the new Margaret Higgins database of Catholics 1607-1840? There are Torrs on that, but possibly information you already have. May I add that my Catholic ancestor born in Lancashire about 1693 (no extant baptism) was a Catholic called Abraham Broadley. He was named after his Protestant grandfather. Abraham's father was an Anglican and all Abraham's siblings had Anglican baptisms except for the youngest son, John, who had no baptism recorded and was a Presbyterian/Baptist, for some time as an adult. Abraham worked for the local big house, Dunkenhalgh.  After their father's death, John and family joined his older brother in his house and was also employed by Dunkenhalgh. The Dunkenhalgh people supported their tenants who were nonconformist, but not Catholic, just as they supported their Catholic tenants. So you may find a complicated picture within one family and in the wider society. Marie in Cheshire

Thank you so much for a great background sketch of the times they lived in. For me it has always been a case of wanting to know, and so feel, how they in turn felt and what they had to contend with. The historical aspect of any research, anywhere, makes such a difference doesn't it and is so helpful as well as being fascinating . Such a surprise to know that Torr/Torre can be a Scottish name, it has opened up a good few hours of new research time ahead which I am looking forward to. How lucky we are on this List to have the hard earned knowledge of others given to us - I am sure most other Listers would agree. Thanks again Celia, Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad

Very useful info, thank you, Celia. Kind regards Joy ________________________________ From: Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> Sent: 31 May 2018 18:28 To: Derbyshire genealogy Subject: [DBY]Re: Dissenters Yep, most nuisancy and also the most interesting, for me anyway! Meaning of word 'recusant' depends on who's saying it. Most modern historians and genealogists would mean Roman Catholic (in which case I wish they'd say that, so we're sure what's meant) but back in the 16th and 17th centuries, people could mean different things by it. The word simply means 'recusing the parish service', ie. not attending parish church weekly as was required by ecclesiastical and civil law. The people who didn't attend church when they should included Roman Catholics but also those Protestant dissenters who were prepared to face the law rather than put up with rituals and doctrines they disagreed with (most did put up with, though) - however, an awful lot of people just didn't go - because - they didn't feel like it. They preferred a bevvie at the local hostelry or playing sports (euphemistic or otherwise) or working perhaps. So, 16th and 17th century sources that use the word 'recusant' could easily be referring to Protestant dissenters as well as Catholics, and maybe the 'layabouts' too. There can be other clues to suggest whether a person was RC or a Protestant dissenter/Puritan. Names are suggestive. Catholics favoured 'medieval' names like Christopher, Michael, Philip and other Saints' names and Prots liked Biblical names like Timothy, Daniel, Jonathan, Ruth, Sarah, Abigail and 'moral' ones like Silence, Virtue, Obedience (grinds teeth). Wordings in Wills can be indicative, especially the opening 'religious' clause, if there was one. Absence of such a clause might indicate dissent/RC, and the word 'elect' often suggested Puritan/Calvinist. Who witnessed the Will was important - other people with Biblical names? Puritan clergyman? There is one book on Derbyshire Non-conformity that's very helpful, though it doesn't include Quakers or Catholics - Stephen Orchard's "Nonconformity in Derbyshire: A Study in Dissent 1600-1800". There are also some articles on my blog about this topic. Hope this is helpful! Celia Renshaw in Sheffield UK Blog: www.morgansite.wordpress.com<http://www.morgansite.wordpress.com> On 31 May 2018 at 17:36, Kathy Wadlow <katatthefarm@live.co.uk> wrote: > Celia, may I ask if recusants come under the same umbrella as dissenters? > Would any studies include both or be separate? I am trying to find which > avenue to pursue as I can't find anything documented such as birth/marriage > or any mention of him living in Eyam, as stated in his Will written 1744 > (died 1748). These dissenters/recusants ARE nuisance aren't they?! > > Kathy > in Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I've had a lot of success following Peter Calver's plan of how to use your DNA matches. And have a list of links for which I can see where follow-ups can be done when I have time.  If anyone is interested, it's in this newsletter https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/aug17news.htm#Masterclass That said, there is always a human element. Some people who have had DNA tested and might have a match to me have never replied to my initial contact. But often I find another person who has DNA matches with both myself, and the non-answerer, (following the Masterclass plan)  and can pursue the lead by another route. It helps to locate all your links in a group in that way, as different people will have different information, and merging your information enlarges it! But usually people are interested, because that's why they had their DNA tested. I've just located a descendent of my grandmother's first cousin,  whose family emigrated in the 1890s and we have swapped information. Not reached any Derbyshire roots yet, but if I do I'll post about it. This recent one was just over the Yorkshire border! Margaret On 31/05/2018 17:09, Joan Wheeldon wrote: > Hi Rick, are you a member of Lostcousins ? Their newsletters have had some useful articles about DNA testing recently. > > Sent from my iPhone > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

My word, if there was a marriage to one of the BAGSHAWEs, a search down non-conformist avenues would certainly be worthwhile. I've found that it's also helpful to keep in mind that the 16th and 17th centuries were religiously volcanic - individuals and families were tossed and turned between different doctrines and points of view, swayed by the most effective preachers and the latest religious tracts. Puritans famously argued amongst themselves, especially over issues like infant baptism; Presbyterians and Independents famously waged doctrinal wars with each other (as well as forging occasional alliances), eg. during the Civil War and Commonwealth (Oliver Cromwell being an Independent, favouring completely independent congregations, electing their own ministers, simply following the Bible doctrinally, while the Parliamentary Presbyterians tried to establish a national system of presbyteries in place of bishops, similar to Scotland). But most of all, people were naturally wary of religious laws. When Charles II arrived back in 1660, there followed some of the most repressive legislation this country has seen, often termed the Clarendon Code, which was viciously anti-dissent. No wonder some of William BAGSHAWE's family tried to get him to ease up - they were trying to save him from penury and prison I would guess. It wouldn't automatically mean they were not dissenting themselves. More likely they were bending to the times, like most people did during the dreadful 29 years till the Toleration Act. A quick browse online suggests that TORR(E) could be a Scottish name, as well as English, so - you never know! Good luck Celia Renshaw in Sheffield UK Blog: www.morgansite.wordpress.com On 1 June 2018 at 01:20, Kathy Wadlow <katatthefarm@live.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Celia, thank you for the interesting info on typical Protestant > dissenter names, I really appreciate having your knowledge on this. I > hadn't given too much thought to names but from now on will realise they > can be pointers. > > The surname is Torr/Torre. > > There was quite a cluster of them in Eyam during the Plague years, several > members of whom died of plague. > When I visited Eyam 2 yrs ago I met Francine Clifford, (whose late husband > wrote the book 'Eyam Plague Village 1665-1666') and she very kindly later > sent me some stats on Torrs in Eyam. Apparently three or four > brothers/cousins, Humphrey, Robert, Godfrey(John?) appeared suddenly in > Eyam in the 1660s, not known from whence they came. > > Now I wonder if they came from Scotland from what you have said! > > I have absolutely no evidence of any Scots connection but will now look > into the possibility. The information on the Pack men from Scotland > passing through that area is very helpful, thank you. > > In the 1700s John & Robert both left land & dwellings in Eyam & > Hathersage to their descendants but by early 1800s it was just Hathersage. > > Although I have no known connection (as yet anyway) there was a Godfrey > Torre in Eyam 1660s, (whose son John and grandson died of plague) and > whose other son Richard married Ellen/Helen Bagshaw of the 'Apostle of the > Peak' family. Knowing that the said 'Apostle' was ostracised by his family > for his dissenting views I had assumed the family were probably > established/mainstream themselves. > > So it certainly could be they were Protestant dissenters, the possibility > never occurred to me, I was stuck fast thinking recusants just meant Roman > Catholics. (I don't know whether Richard & Ellen were actually dissenters). > > As you can probably tell, you have whetted my appetite to resume the chase > for which I'm truly grateful Celia, I've got 'the bug ' again after a long > break and > have noted the names and areas you mentioned. Looking forward to > 'touring' Scotland - hoots mon! > > Kathy > in Kent > > > >

Hi, I am interested in all references to a Robert HALL of Castleton, Derbyshire between 1600 and 1730, but particularly between 1600 and 1655. There are several of them related to each other and I am trying to sort them out. One of them is probably mine but which? Does anyone else have HALL individuals in Castleton at this time? Thanks, Natalia Natalia A. McKenzie

Hi Celia, thank you for the interesting info on typical Protestant dissenter names, I really appreciate having your knowledge on this. I hadn't given too much thought to names but from now on will realise they can be pointers. The surname is Torr/Torre. There was quite a cluster of them in Eyam during the Plague years, several members of whom died of plague. When I visited Eyam 2 yrs ago I met Francine Clifford, (whose late husband wrote the book 'Eyam Plague Village 1665-1666') and she very kindly later sent me some stats on Torrs in Eyam. Apparently three or four brothers/cousins, Humphrey, Robert, Godfrey(John?) appeared suddenly in Eyam in the 1660s, not known from whence they came. Now I wonder if they came from Scotland from what you have said! I have absolutely no evidence of any Scots connection but will now look into the possibility. The information on the Pack men from Scotland passing through that area is very helpful, thank you. In the 1700s John & Robert both left land & dwellings in Eyam & Hathersage to their descendants but by early 1800s it was just Hathersage. Although I have no known connection (as yet anyway) there was a Godfrey Torre in Eyam 1660s, (whose son John and grandson died of plague) and whose other son Richard married Ellen/Helen Bagshaw of the 'Apostle of the Peak' family. Knowing that the said 'Apostle' was ostracised by his family for his dissenting views I had assumed the family were probably established/mainstream themselves. So it certainly could be they were Protestant dissenters, the possibility never occurred to me, I was stuck fast thinking recusants just meant Roman Catholics. (I don't know whether Richard & Ellen were actually dissenters). As you can probably tell, you have whetted my appetite to resume the chase for which I'm truly grateful Celia, I've got 'the bug ' again after a long break and have noted the names and areas you mentioned. Looking forward to 'touring' Scotland - hoots mon! Kathy in Kent On 31 May 2018, at 21:17, Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> wrote: Kathy, what is the surname you're chasing?

Kathy, what is the surname you're chasing? OXLEY was a dissenter name in Chesterfield, though I have no idea about Eyam. Two witness names like Jonathan and David would lead me straight to Protestant dissent, ie. old dissent (Presbyterian, Independent/Congregational, Baptist) or new dissent (Methodism, becoming more widespread by mid-18th century). MELLORs and BAGNALLs have turned up in association with dissenter families I've researched around the Wirksworth area, and over the border in Staffs, near Alstonefield, Leek and Morridge. Any chance of Scottish ancestry? The Scottish packmen went across the Peak on their journeys from lowland Dumfries & Galloway & Glasgow through England down to London - there's the pub called the Scotsman's Pack in Hathersage for example. Mostly, these chaps were Presbyterian, and some settled along their routes. Always worth a thought. Good hunting, Kathy Celia Renshaw in Sheffield UK Blog: www.morgansite.wordpress.com On 31 May 2018 at 20:24, Kathy Wadlow <katatthefarm@live.co.uk> wrote: > Thank you very much for the really interesting info Celia, it has given me > a whole new perspective on the matter. I was convinced they must have been > Roman Catholics but now I see it may well not have been the case. > > Some names were Saints names, John (the one in question) and Thomas, but > there was quite a few Roberts and a couple of Benjamins. The females were > Mary, Elizabeth and a few Ann's. The names of witnesses to the Will are: > Jonathan Oxley, David Crosland and Geo. Eyre. > The names of the witnesses to his son Robert's Will in 1768 were: David > Crosland (again) Elizabeth Mellor (his sister, John's daughter, married to > Robert) and Thomas Bagnall. > Robert, widower of Bridget, had three sons John, Robert & Thomas. > > It really doesn't help the way they used the same names over & over, as > someone else on the List noted recently. > > So, there I was, imagining them all skulking about attending their Masses > (or whatever) in hidden locations, hence the fines they kept paying and all > the time they could have been carousing & having a jolly old time down the > local! > As you say, it is interesting - it fascinates me. I shall read your blog > tomorrow, > thanks for the link Celia - and for all the new info I now have which will > be extremely helpful in my quest. > > Kathy > in Kent > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thank you very much for the really interesting info Celia, it has given me a whole new perspective on the matter. I was convinced they must have been Roman Catholics but now I see it may well not have been the case. Some names were Saints names, John (the one in question) and Thomas, but there was quite a few Roberts and a couple of Benjamins. The females were Mary, Elizabeth and a few Ann's. The names of witnesses to the Will are: Jonathan Oxley, David Crosland and Geo. Eyre. The names of the witnesses to his son Robert's Will in 1768 were: David Crosland (again) Elizabeth Mellor (his sister, John's daughter, married to Robert) and Thomas Bagnall. Robert, widower of Bridget, had three sons John, Robert & Thomas. It really doesn't help the way they used the same names over & over, as someone else on the List noted recently. So, there I was, imagining them all skulking about attending their Masses (or whatever) in hidden locations, hence the fines they kept paying and all the time they could have been carousing & having a jolly old time down the local! As you say, it is interesting - it fascinates me. I shall read your blog tomorrow, thanks for the link Celia - and for all the new info I now have which will be extremely helpful in my quest. Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad

Yep, most nuisancy and also the most interesting, for me anyway! Meaning of word 'recusant' depends on who's saying it. Most modern historians and genealogists would mean Roman Catholic (in which case I wish they'd say that, so we're sure what's meant) but back in the 16th and 17th centuries, people could mean different things by it. The word simply means 'recusing the parish service', ie. not attending parish church weekly as was required by ecclesiastical and civil law. The people who didn't attend church when they should included Roman Catholics but also those Protestant dissenters who were prepared to face the law rather than put up with rituals and doctrines they disagreed with (most did put up with, though) - however, an awful lot of people just didn't go - because - they didn't feel like it. They preferred a bevvie at the local hostelry or playing sports (euphemistic or otherwise) or working perhaps. So, 16th and 17th century sources that use the word 'recusant' could easily be referring to Protestant dissenters as well as Catholics, and maybe the 'layabouts' too. There can be other clues to suggest whether a person was RC or a Protestant dissenter/Puritan. Names are suggestive. Catholics favoured 'medieval' names like Christopher, Michael, Philip and other Saints' names and Prots liked Biblical names like Timothy, Daniel, Jonathan, Ruth, Sarah, Abigail and 'moral' ones like Silence, Virtue, Obedience (grinds teeth). Wordings in Wills can be indicative, especially the opening 'religious' clause, if there was one. Absence of such a clause might indicate dissent/RC, and the word 'elect' often suggested Puritan/Calvinist. Who witnessed the Will was important - other people with Biblical names? Puritan clergyman? There is one book on Derbyshire Non-conformity that's very helpful, though it doesn't include Quakers or Catholics - Stephen Orchard's "Nonconformity in Derbyshire: A Study in Dissent 1600-1800". There are also some articles on my blog about this topic. Hope this is helpful! Celia Renshaw in Sheffield UK Blog: www.morgansite.wordpress.com On 31 May 2018 at 17:36, Kathy Wadlow <katatthefarm@live.co.uk> wrote: > Celia, may I ask if recusants come under the same umbrella as dissenters? > Would any studies include both or be separate? I am trying to find which > avenue to pursue as I can't find anything documented such as birth/marriage > or any mention of him living in Eyam, as stated in his Will written 1744 > (died 1748). These dissenters/recusants ARE nuisance aren't they?! > > Kathy > in Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ >

Celia, may I ask if recusants come under the same umbrella as dissenters? Would any studies include both or be separate? I am trying to find which avenue to pursue as I can't find anything documented such as birth/marriage or any mention of him living in Eyam, as stated in his Will written 1744 (died 1748). These dissenters/recusants ARE nuisance aren't they?! Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPhone

Hi Rick, are you a member of Lostcousins ? Their newsletters have had some useful articles about DNA testing recently. Sent from my iPhone > On 31 May 2018, at 17:05, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Rick > > Once upon a time discussion on dna was verboten on most lists, but as its become more popular and effects many peoples research I see no reason why it cannot be discussed on the list > > As long as it doesn't take over or become to off topic I am quite happy for it to be discussed > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 31/05/2018 14:12, Rick H. wrote: >> Hilary, >> Not sure about taking this offline, I find it interesting, but that will be >> Nivard's call. I will >> get this in before he makes a ruling (~:P >> If there is a list that discusses this/these topics I would like to know >> about it/them. >> I do find some of this new technical stuff difficult, especially when >> acronyms are used. >> Some typos and also, these days, autocorrect sometimes can muddy the water. >> So ... >> U3a? >> bods? >> cMs? >> trial? a means to further, in depth, test possible between two predicted >> matches? >> lodge your gedcom? Load? >> thanks >> \s\Rick > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Rick Once upon a time discussion on dna was verboten on most lists, but as its become more popular and effects many peoples research I see no reason why it cannot be discussed on the list As long as it doesn't take over or become to off topic I am quite happy for it to be discussed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/05/2018 14:12, Rick H. wrote: > Hilary, > > Not sure about taking this offline, I find it interesting, but that will be > Nivard's call. I will > get this in before he makes a ruling (~:P > > If there is a list that discusses this/these topics I would like to know > about it/them. > > I do find some of this new technical stuff difficult, especially when > acronyms are used. > Some typos and also, these days, autocorrect sometimes can muddy the water. > So ... > > U3a? > bods? > cMs? > trial? a means to further, in depth, test possible between two predicted > matches? > lodge your gedcom? Load? > > thanks > \s\Rick

Nuisancy dissenters - that's most likely the trouble! Celia Renshaw in Sheffield *UK* On 31 May 2018 at 16:30, pabradshaw--- via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Hi Celia, > > Many thanks for all your information. > > I believe the Timothy Cartwright who married SARAH MORRIL on 15 Aug 1799 > may be the brother to my SAMUEL - but don't have a baptism for him either > !!! > > Prunella. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Also interested. But there is a DNA Newbies list on Rootsweb. Also look at Donna Rutherford's blogs for newbies. Andy. At 14:12 31/05/2018, you wrote: >Not sure about taking this offline, I find it interesting, but that will be >Nivard's call.