Hi ALan - the Marple family is part of my line. I will check what I have later and get back to you as I have a very busy morning scheduled. Anne -----Original Message----- From: alan.s.flint--- via DERBYSGEN Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 5:18 AM To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: alan.s.flint@btinternet.com Subject: [DBY]Looking for the parents of Sarah MARPLE (Bonsall) Dear All, I would be interested to know what research techniques might be recommended when trying to determine the correct parents of an individual if there are possibly two sets of possibilities. I am looking to establish the correct parents of Sarah MARPLE born in Bonsall. I do not know the actual birth date, but I do have the following baptism dates: Sarah MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 26th December 1742 - Parents: Daniel MARPLE / Esther Sara MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 28th April 1732 - Parents: Thomas MARPLE / Ellen My Sarah MARPLE (my 5x Great Grandmother) married James GRATTON at Bonsall on 1st January 1762. Their subsequent children do not appear to have been given any of the parental names in my two examples, so there is no clue there. Confusion reigns on Ancestry, as most of those interested in my Sarah, seem to have opted for Daniel as the father. There are however several others mentioned, but interestingly none mention Thomas. I have Val Neals CD of Bonsall PRs and have also painstakingly gone through the relevant years (as best I can) on the online Derbyshire PRs now available on Ancestry. So, I would be interested to learn what research methods any of you may have adopted in a similar situation. Yours hopefully, Alan _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Alan,  As there is a 10 year gap between the births of these two women, have you done the calculations relating to expected age of marriage, age at birth of first child and age at birth of youngest child? In a case like this, I would work on an assumption that marriage and birth is unlikely before the woman is at least in her late teens, and that she is unlikely to be still bearing children beyond her mid forties. Susan On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:19 AM, alan.s.flint--- via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Dear All, I would be interested to know what research techniques might be recommended when trying to determine the correct parents of an individual if there are possibly two sets of possibilities. I am looking to establish the correct parents of Sarah MARPLE born in Bonsall. I do not know the actual birth date, but I do have the following baptism dates: Sarah MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 26th December 1742 - Parents: Daniel MARPLE / Esther Sara MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 28th April 1732 - Parents: Thomas MARPLE / Ellen My Sarah MARPLE (my 5x Great Grandmother) married James GRATTON at Bonsall on 1st January 1762. Their subsequent children do not appear to have been given any of the parental names in my two examples, so there is no clue there. Confusion reigns on Ancestry, as most of those interested in my Sarah, seem to have opted for Daniel as the father. There are however several others mentioned, but interestingly none mention Thomas. I have Val Neals CD of Bonsall PRs and have also painstakingly gone through the relevant years (as best I can) on the online Derbyshire PRs now available on Ancestry. So, I would be interested to learn what research methods any of you may have adopted in a similar situation. Yours hopefully, Alan _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Alan, are these families likely to have left Wills? Always worth checking even if they appear to have been dirt-poor. The Wills of other relatives (especially a spouse's parents and grandparents) plus friends, associates and neighbours (FAN club) can also throw unexpected lights. Names of people who witnessed marriages can indicate connections worth following up. Manorial records can also be helpful if you're lucky with records survival. There are court books for Bonsall at Derbys Record Office (and at TNA). Even poorest families in a manor might have a tiny bit of copyhold that got passed down or sold, with records kept in the court books. There's always the chance that folk were non-conformist too, even if they married and had children baptised in the parish church. Records of local n/c chapels and meetings quite often contain membership and family details that we don't get from CofE documents. If the families were poor, there might be details about them in the Vestry/Parish books, eg. Overseers of the Poor records and Churchwarden's accounts, Settlement and Removal Certificates etc. Also apprenticeship and parish charities' records. If they got into trouble with the law or had other legal business at local level, Quarter Sessions records might have info for you. Rentals, leases and other property records of the local big property owners/lords of the manor might help. Enclosure and tithe records are definitely worth checking too. Obvious question probably but have your checks of the PRs discovered a burial for one or both of the Sarahs you mentioned? Or another marriage for the one that's not yours? Hope that helps. Celia Renshaw in Sheffield Blog: www.morgansite.wordpress.com On 15 August 2018 at 10:18, alan.s.flint--- via DERBYSGEN < derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > I would be interested to know what research techniques might be recommended > when trying to determine the correct parents of an individual if there are > possibly two sets of possibilities. > > I am looking to establish the correct parents of Sarah MARPLE born in > Bonsall. I do not know the actual birth date, but I do have the following > baptism dates: > > Sarah MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 26th December 1742 - Parents: Daniel MARPLE > / Esther > > Sara MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 28th April 1732 - Parents: Thomas MARPLE / > Ellen > > My Sarah MARPLE (my 5x Great Grandmother) married James GRATTON at Bonsall > on 1st January 1762. > > Their subsequent children do not appear to have been given any of the > parental names in my two examples, so there is no clue there. > > Confusion reigns on Ancestry, as most of those interested in my Sarah, seem > to have opted for Daniel as the father. There are however several others > mentioned, but interestingly none mention Thomas. > > I have Val Neals CD of Bonsall PRs and have also painstakingly gone through > the relevant years (as best I can) on the online Derbyshire PRs now > available on Ancestry. > > So, I would be interested to learn what research methods any of you may > have > adopted in a similar situation. > > Yours hopefully, > > Alan > >

Assuming that neither of the potential Sarahs were buried as children (with their parents named) then I would look for marriage licenses first, then the wills of any of the parents or siblings written after the date of marriage that may refer to her by her married name. You could also look for another marriage for the second Sarah and see if that one gives any clues to her parentage, either then or later in life. Her husband's age may provide a clue too - e.g. if he was 20 at the time of marriage then he is much more likely to have married a 19 rather than a 29 year old. Cheers Mark -----Original Message----- From: alan.s.flint--- via DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 15 August 2018 10:19 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: alan.s.flint@btinternet.com Subject: [DBY]Looking for the parents of Sarah MARPLE (Bonsall) Dear All, I would be interested to know what research techniques might be recommended when trying to determine the correct parents of an individual if there are possibly two sets of possibilities. I am looking to establish the correct parents of Sarah MARPLE born in Bonsall. I do not know the actual birth date, but I do have the following baptism dates: Sarah MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 26th December 1742 - Parents: Daniel MARPLE / Esther Sara MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 28th April 1732 - Parents: Thomas MARPLE / Ellen My Sarah MARPLE (my 5x Great Grandmother) married James GRATTON at Bonsall on 1st January 1762. Their subsequent children do not appear to have been given any of the parental names in my two examples, so there is no clue there. Confusion reigns on Ancestry, as most of those interested in my Sarah, seem to have opted for Daniel as the father. There are however several others mentioned, but interestingly none mention Thomas. I have Val Neals CD of Bonsall PRs and have also painstakingly gone through the relevant years (as best I can) on the online Derbyshire PRs now available on Ancestry. So, I would be interested to learn what research methods any of you may have adopted in a similar situation. Yours hopefully, Alan _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for all the work you have done on this... On 15/08/2018 08:41, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Good morning > Having worked on Rolls of Honour for major employers of local men as part of my WW1 tribute I have all the John Smedley (Lea Mills) men; a list of the men on the Johnson & Nephew (Ambergate Wireworks) men; but was missing Butterley Company men/ > > Luckily a colleague working with me tracked down a Roll of Honour ledger tucked away at the DRO. I have now transcribed this record and added it www.crichparish-ww1.co.uk <http://www.crichparish-ww1.co.uk/> > There are two transcriptions on the site. One of all the Crich men (obviously) and the other of all the recorded men in case of interest to other researchers. > The record is fairly detailed; name, age, marital status, address, occupation in the Company, date when enlisted, if they returned. Sometimes their regiment and other remarks such as wounded and awarded the Silver War Badge. The addresses are as you might expect: Ripley, Alfreton, Ironville, Codnor, Crich, Heage area with some more far flung places such as Nottingham and Sheffield. So, if your family history member worked at Butterley Co at this time it would be worth a look. I have added an alphabetical Index of the names with reference to the ledger page to make a quick search easier. > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Dear All, I would be interested to know what research techniques might be recommended when trying to determine the correct parents of an individual if there are possibly two sets of possibilities. I am looking to establish the correct parents of Sarah MARPLE born in Bonsall. I do not know the actual birth date, but I do have the following baptism dates: Sarah MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 26th December 1742 - Parents: Daniel MARPLE / Esther Sara MARPLE - Date of Baptism: 28th April 1732 - Parents: Thomas MARPLE / Ellen My Sarah MARPLE (my 5x Great Grandmother) married James GRATTON at Bonsall on 1st January 1762. Their subsequent children do not appear to have been given any of the parental names in my two examples, so there is no clue there. Confusion reigns on Ancestry, as most of those interested in my Sarah, seem to have opted for Daniel as the father. There are however several others mentioned, but interestingly none mention Thomas. I have Val Neals CD of Bonsall PRs and have also painstakingly gone through the relevant years (as best I can) on the online Derbyshire PRs now available on Ancestry. So, I would be interested to learn what research methods any of you may have adopted in a similar situation. Yours hopefully, Alan

Good morning Having worked on Rolls of Honour for major employers of local men as part of my WW1 tribute I have all the John Smedley (Lea Mills) men; a list of the men on the Johnson & Nephew (Ambergate Wireworks) men; but was missing Butterley Company men/ Luckily a colleague working with me tracked down a Roll of Honour ledger tucked away at the DRO. I have now transcribed this record and added it www.crichparish-ww1.co.uk <http://www.crichparish-ww1.co.uk/> There are two transcriptions on the site. One of all the Crich men (obviously) and the other of all the recorded men in case of interest to other researchers. The record is fairly detailed; name, age, marital status, address, occupation in the Company, date when enlisted, if they returned. Sometimes their regiment and other remarks such as wounded and awarded the Silver War Badge. The addresses are as you might expect: Ripley, Alfreton, Ironville, Codnor, Crich, Heage area with some more far flung places such as Nottingham and Sheffield. So, if your family history member worked at Butterley Co at this time it would be worth a look. I have added an alphabetical Index of the names with reference to the ledger page to make a quick search easier. Peter

In a nutshell, no it doesn't matter a jot whether you know the subject I do not watch that sort of program as a general rule so don't know him and have no great interest in his show But his family story was well worth watching In the past with a few exceptions I have usually watched the episode again the next day, which I shall with this one A few of the last shows haven't merited a second viewing, Boy George was one exception Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/08/2018 08:57, Nick Higton wrote: > Does it matter who Robert Rinder is, as long as he has a compelling > story about his ancestry? Having seen the programme I was very engaged, > and touched by what his family went through. > > You have to be a very focussed genealogist not to go off piste (as my > wife calls it) every so often, when you come across someone who has just > about scraped on to your family tree, but appears to have had an > interesting life that is worth investigating.

Hi Barbara You will no doubt get it in time, if not by you tube Personally I have no interest in that type of program he does, although I thought he came over very well but his family story was very moving Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/08/2018 02:46, bar_ron@telus.net wrote: > Judge Rinder isn't for everyone, but he is very dry and really puts the people appearing before him in their place.....I'm hoping it will be shown in Canada, but we get a different version of Who Do You Think You Are? here. > > Barbara - Derbyshire girl in Canada

Agree with you completely Nick. Over the years, there have been a good number of Jewish and Holocaust stories on WDYTYA, though not for a while. This one was timely, I thought, compelling and devastating. And I fancied my working-class Victorians had it rough in Glasgow and Sheffield! I also fancy more people will know Robert Rinder from Strictly than anything else (as I'll admit is true for me). He was an unexpectedly good dancer. Celia Renshaw in Sheffield Blog: www.morgansite.wordpress.com On 14 August 2018 at 08:57, Nick Higton <nick@higton.co.uk> wrote: > Does it matter who Robert Rinder is, as long as he has a compelling story > about his ancestry? Having seen the programme I was very engaged, and > touched by what his family went through. > > You have to be a very focussed genealogist not to go off piste (as my wife > calls it) every so often, when you come across someone who has just about > scraped on to your family tree, but appears to have had an interesting life > that is worth investigating. > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/derbysgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Does it matter who Robert Rinder is, as long as he has a compelling story about his ancestry? Having seen the programme I was very engaged, and touched by what his family went through. You have to be a very focussed genealogist not to go off piste (as my wife calls it) every so often, when you come across someone who has just about scraped on to your family tree, but appears to have had an interesting life that is worth investigating.

So I gather but having seen none of his shows (and I don't intend to start now) I still have no idea who he is or what he does But the story of his family is a stark reminder of just how blessed we are not to have to endure what his went through Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/08/2018 22:51, bob@cotswan.com wrote: > Judge Rinder from the TV series >

Judge Rinder isn't for everyone, but he is very dry and really puts the people appearing before him in their place.....I'm hoping it will be shown in Canada, but we get a different version of Who Do You Think You Are? here. Barbara - Derbyshire girl in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:40:04 PM Subject: [DBY]Re: WDYTYA bbc1 9pm 13th Aug Well I hadn't a clue who Robert RINDER was (still don't to be honest) But this episode should definitely be watched We simply do not appreciate how lucky we are Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/08/2018 20:54, Nivard Ovington wrote:

Judge Rinder from the TV series -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: 13 August 2018 22:40 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: WDYTYA bbc1 9pm 13th Aug Well I hadn't a clue who Robert RINDER was (still don't to be honest) But this episode should definitely be watched We simply do not appreciate how lucky we are Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/08/2018 20:54, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Rather late I know > > Robert Rinder Criminal law barrister and TV judge Robert Rinder > follows the story of his Holocaust survivor grandfather, hearing > first-hand testimony of the horror of Nazi forced-labour camps as well > as of the hope offered by a new life on the shores of Lake Windermere. > Robert also Investigates the dark mystery surrounding his > great-grandfather, which leads him to a small town in Latvia, where he > uncovers a story of mental illness and trauma that will ultimately, he > hopes, lay some family ghosts to rest _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Well I hadn't a clue who Robert RINDER was (still don't to be honest) But this episode should definitely be watched We simply do not appreciate how lucky we are Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/08/2018 20:54, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Rather late I know > > Robert Rinder Criminal law barrister and TV judge Robert Rinder follows > the story of his Holocaust survivor grandfather, hearing first-hand > testimony of the horror of Nazi forced-labour camps as well as of the > hope offered by a new life on the shores of Lake Windermere. Robert also > Investigates the dark mystery surrounding his great-grandfather, which > leads him to a small town in Latvia, where he uncovers a story of mental > illness and trauma that will ultimately, he hopes, lay some family > ghosts to rest

Thanks for the reminder Nivard. My sister in law also had family who escaped the holocaust camps. It is interesting to hear these personal stories. I have a family story where a ggm who “washed the shirts” for the Black and Tans was tarred and feathered before being whisked away by the British Army in the 1920s to Derby. I think she did more than washing shirts and the Irish Republican Army took great exception to her laundry business. This incident helped establish two branches of the Doherty family here in Derby. Helen On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 20:55, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rather late I know > > Robert Rinder Criminal law barrister and TV judge Robert Rinder follows > the story of his Holocaust survivor grandfather, hearing first-hand > testimony of the horror of Nazi forced-labour camps as well as of the > hope offered by a new life on the shores of Lake Windermere. Robert also > Investigates the dark mystery surrounding his great-grandfather, which > leads him to a small town in Latvia, where he uncovers a story of mental > illness and trauma that will ultimately, he hopes, lay some family > ghosts to rest > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Rather late I know Robert Rinder Criminal law barrister and TV judge Robert Rinder follows the story of his Holocaust survivor grandfather, hearing first-hand testimony of the horror of Nazi forced-labour camps as well as of the hope offered by a new life on the shores of Lake Windermere. Robert also Investigates the dark mystery surrounding his great-grandfather, which leads him to a small town in Latvia, where he uncovers a story of mental illness and trauma that will ultimately, he hopes, lay some family ghosts to rest Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Excellent news Canadian WW1 service records database completed <http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/news/Pages/2018/First-World-War-database-completed.aspx> A very easy to use database, well worth searching, you never know who went over to Canada even if you don't know of any Canadian links as yet Free to use and very useful <http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/personnel-records.aspx> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

So sweet. I shared it on FB, it might encourage other homes/people to try something similar. —WendyE, who spent the afternoon outdoors in the heat of Colorado wrestling an ill placed (previous homeowner) wisteria vine into submission. It was trying to strangle the Aspen’s next to it. The vine must be about 20yrs old, the age of the house, it has a roughly 12” trunk at the base. I think after I get it pruned down the landscaper will have to remove it, if at all possible. It has nowhere to go, it’s in the wrong place, a narrow bed between my garden and my neighbors. Many trees and plants the former owner put in are the wrong plant/in the wrong place. Still, there have been some nice surprises..mainly spring bulbs, big red poppies, snapdragons and hollyhocks. The flowers of my childhood in Derbyshire. > > From: Nivard Ovington > Sent: 11 August 2018 21:33 > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY]Story on Swadlincote to warm the cockles ;-) > A nice story on a care home in Swadlincote > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-45118383?SThisFB > > Perhaps more "pen pals" could do more for other care homes ? > > Nivard Ovington

Fabulous idea! I took a 98 year old friend for lunch yesterday - her biggest complaint at her retirement home is that she has no-one to have an intelligent conversation with because her friends there are suffering dementia. If postcards help to delay dementia I'm all for it! Anne -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 4:33 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Story on Swadlincote to warm the cockles ;-) A nice story on a care home in Swadlincote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-45118383?SThisFB Perhaps more "pen pals" could do more for other care homes ? -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community