Thanks for this, Mavis. It certainly seems to be the answer. Kind regards Joy > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:07:16 +0000 > From: mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] Wiskets and Skuttles > > Nuttall's Dictionary (1926) gives Wisket as 'basket' .  >    > Maybe used for logs and kindling as opposed to coal?

Many thanks to Mike, Marjorie, Mavis and cousins, Kathy and Jeff, for their helpful replies. Both of these terms refer to kinds of baskets, which would have been used to carry animal fodder etc. From A Glossary of Household, Farming and Trade Terms from Probate Inventories, by Rosemary Milward:- 'Wiskett - westket- wisket; a straw basket in which provender was taken to cattle. It had no handle but a hole at each end for the hands. Skuttle: (1) basket for sifting or winnowing corn; (2) large shovel to cast grain in winnowing; (3)large open basket, usually of wicker-work, used for carrying corn, vegetables, earth etc.' I'm reminded that in Scottish Gaelic, there are at least twenty different words meaning 'tether.' So although 'basket' would be sufficient for present-day usage, it was clearly important, in the past, to be more specific! I'm really grateful to all of you who replied. Kind regards Joy

On 2012/11/24 14:23, Joy Hungerford wrote: > I've found a reference to someone who describes himself in 1841 > as a Wisket Maker. In 1851, he is now a skuttle maker in Derby. > > > 'Skuttle' could be scuttle, of course, unless it is a mis-spelt > shuttle. Wisket is probably a dialectical version of Waistcoat. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Nuttall's Dictionary (1926) gives Wisket as 'basket' .     Maybe used for logs and kindling as opposed to coal? >________________________________ > From: Marjorie Ward <marjorie.ward2@btinternet.com> >To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 12:53 >Subject: Re: [DBY] Wiskets and Skuttles > >Hello Joy > >A Wisket was a basket - in use in lead mines I seem to remember.  When young >(what a long time ago!) we had a coal scuttle.  I wonder whether they made >basket weave ones? > >best wishes > >Marjorie Ward >Derbyshire, UK >Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net >Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net >Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; >Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk >John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Joy A Wisket was a basket - in use in lead mines I seem to remember. When young (what a long time ago!) we had a coal scuttle. I wonder whether they made basket weave ones? best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

I've found a reference to someone who describes himself in 1841   as a Wisket Maker. In 1851, he is now a skuttle maker in Derby. 'Skuttle' could be scuttle, of course, unless it is a mis-spelt  shuttle.  As my trusty COD can't handle either of these terms - and nor can Google - I'm wondering if someone can tell me if these are weaving accoutrements,   maybe even to do with basketry. Bet someone knows!! Kind regards Joy

Shardlow was within Aston on Trent parish until 1850 when Shardlow became a separate parish. For all things about Shardlow, it's worth trying the Shardlow Heritage Centre - web site http://homepages.which.net/~shardlow.heritage/ Sheila Cooke there is an expert historian and they are interested in all aspects of the village (and the surname SHARDLOW), so a visit to the centre or a message via a web site is worth a try and they might be interested in the document or even know about it. There is also a history web site for Aston so local historians there might know. Are there any more clues from the document that might help? What links it to militia? I wonder why a militia document would list children. Is it to do with Shardlow Union workhouse guardians? - There is some coverage by Mike Spencer on Yesterday's Journey. Someone on the list might say more. I know about many families in the area but not these - are there more names? Note that the post 1837 Shardlow registration/ census district and the Shardlow Union area covered much more than Shardlow parish, covering many parishes in Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire. On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:59:11 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >I think you will find these lot are from Aston on Trent actually > > > >________________________________ > From: mike spencer <mikedecc9@sky.com> >To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012, 18:59 >Subject: [DBY] SHARDLOW Help > >Hi list, >  I am trying to date a document, possibly ear;y 19th C which has a large >list of names on it, possibly to do with militia. I believe it covers >Shardlow.. > >One of the names is SMEDLEY > >John SMEDLEY  ill >Marey SMEDLEY >John jnr 11 >Marey 13 >Sarah 8 >Ann 5 >Jane 1 > >Also has >John ASTLE 61 > >.Thomas BIRKIN  80 >Sarah BIRKIN  76 > >mike > > >>From those persons can anyone deduce a possible date for the document. > >mike Regards, Trevor

Hi 'geners, more from Kirk Ireton KIRK IRETON BURIALS 1847 24 Feb 1847 Emma WARD Kirk Ireton inf 11 Apr 1847 Phoebe AUSTIN Kirk Ireton 70 11 Apr 1847 Samuel FORD Kirk Ireton 41 26 Mar (sic) 1847 Franc(e)(i)s SIMPSON Kirk Ireton 17m 27 Apr 1847 Samuel SMEDLEY Ireton Wood 6 30 Jun 1847 William POTTER Kirk Ireton 18 27 Aug 1847 Margaret HARRISON Kirk Ireton 60 2 Oct 1847 John SMITH Kirk Ireton 22 11 Oct 1847 Hannah HOLMES Kirk Ireton 25 16 Nov 1847 John BEESTON Hulland 75 25 Nov 1847 Jane BROWN Kirk Ireton 75 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi list, more Hope. HOPE BURIALS 1832 Apr - Dec 1 Apr 1832 John Henry HALLAM Bamford under 1 8 Apr 1832 Ann WRIGHT Aston under 1 13 Apr 1832 Edwin MIDDLETON Bradwall under 1 25 Apr 1832 Thomas BAGSHAW Shatton under 1 8 May 1832 Henry MARSLAND Great Hamlet Glossop parish under 1 17 May 1832 Thomas GOULD Hope 57 17 May 1832 Martha MIDDLETON Bradwall 75 26 May 1832 Robert MORTON Bradwall 25 4 Jun 1832 Hannah HALLAM Smaldale 24 11 Jun 1832 Sarah JOWLE Woodland 31 25 Jun 1832 Martha JENNINGS Bradwall under 1 1 Jul 1832 Thomas BRADBURY Bradwall 57 10 Jul 1832 Jacob EYRE Bradwall 76 16 Jul 1832 Sarah WAIN Thornhill 67 20 Jul 1832 Henry BAGSHAW Hillfoot Bar Hathersage parish under 1 12 Aug 1832 Mary FURNESS Bradwall under 1 26 Aug 1832 Ann FURNESS Bradwall under 1 1 Sep 1832 George HALL Bradwall 70 7 Sep 1832 Nancy HALL Coates in Bradwall 80 14 Sep 1832 Elizabeth BOCKING Bradwall 27 16 Sep 1832 Ann WILSON Thornhill 78 29 Sep 1832 Thomas MIDDLETON Bradwall 19 1 Oct 1832 Ann HILL Bradwall 27 8 Oct 1832 Rebekah ASHTON Hyde Stockport parish 43 9 Oct 1832 Hannah FEARN Hope 49 27 Oct 1832 Ellis ASHTON Hyde Stockport parish 50 drowned 30 Oct 1832 Elizabeth HAWLEY Winwick Lancs 1 31 Oct 1832 George WARD Curbar 33 15 Nov 1832 Martha EYRE Manchester 53 25 Dec 1832 Jane MALTBY Bradwall under 1 29 Dec 1832 Rebekah BARGH Knutsford Ches. 66 30 Dec 1832 Eliza MIDDLETON Bradwall under 1 31 Dec 1832 Hannah CHEETHAM Bradwall 88 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Margery Whitham wrote: > Peter, > > The original I sent yesterday is in my Sent folder and when my > husband returns in an hour or so I shall ask him to resend it to > you because I am not sure how to!! Go to your sent folder and open the sent mail, then click on Forward and put Peter's address in the To: box again. Hit send and hopefully it'll arrive with him again. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Margery Delighted to hear from you The message appeared but a few seconds so did not have time to read fully and copy I will await its resend with eagerness Also I briefly noted you had a photo, that too would be most welcomed Thank you for coming back to me Peter Sent from my iPad On 23 Nov 2012, at 11:31, Margery Whitham <margery@whitham.name> wrote: > Peter, > > I'm sorry you didn't have time to read my email. The original I sent > yesterday is in my Sent folder and when my husband returns in an hour or so > I shall ask him to resend it to you because I am not sure how to!! > > Regards, > Margery (Whitham) > > > > > > > riginal Message ----- > From: "Peter Patilla" <ppatilla@mac.com> > To: "Derbyshire Family History" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:44 PM > Subject: [DBY] lost message > > >> Afternoon all >> Having office redecorated so all computer equipment disconnected etc. >> Working on my emergency laptop >> Just had a flash message appear onscreen from Marjorie Wittam (I think) >> which appeared via Outlook Express (which I never use) >> I t came onscreen for about 30 seconds and I picked up it was about one of >> my Lea Mills men Bert Parker (I was all excited as info was interesting >> and promise of a photo) >> Then zap it disappeared into the ether never to appear again. >> I searched my normal email program but not there. I restarted the >> never-used Outlook Express but not there >> Could Marjorie please resend? (I am hoping it came via the list) >> A very puzzled Peter >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, I'm sorry you didn't have time to read my email. The original I sent yesterday is in my Sent folder and when my husband returns in an hour or so I shall ask him to resend it to you because I am not sure how to!! Regards, Margery (Whitham) riginal Message ----- From: "Peter Patilla" <ppatilla@mac.com> To: "Derbyshire Family History" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:44 PM Subject: [DBY] lost message > Afternoon all > Having office redecorated so all computer equipment disconnected etc. > Working on my emergency laptop > Just had a flash message appear onscreen from Marjorie Wittam (I think) > which appeared via Outlook Express (which I never use) > I t came onscreen for about 30 seconds and I picked up it was about one of > my Lea Mills men Bert Parker (I was all excited as info was interesting > and promise of a photo) > Then zap it disappeared into the ether never to appear again. > I searched my normal email program but not there. I restarted the > never-used Outlook Express but not there > Could Marjorie please resend? (I am hoping it came via the list) > A very puzzled Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for all these Hope ones Mike. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

Hi Listers Looking for information on Mary Ann MARSHALL born c1832 Her marriage cert states her father as William although her death reg here in NZ states father as John a coal miner. I cant find her on the census because of the mixup in father's names but would dearly love to find her family. Family Searh baptisms dont cover the time frame. She would only appear in the 1841 and 1851 census as she married in 1852 to John Mason reg in Alfreton and they emigrated to NZ in 1859. thanks Patsy

Hi list, to Hope. HOPE BURIALS 1832 Jan - Mar 8 Jan 1832 Lydia ELLIOTT Edentree 6 burnt to death 22 Jan 1832 Hannah MORTON Bradwall 59 30 Jan 1832 Isaac BAGSHAW Hope 60 6 Feb 1832 William EYDES Shatton 66 12 Feb 1832 Elias MIDDLETON Bradwall 72 13 Feb 1832 Hannah HALLAM Thornhill 66 19 Feb 1832 Mary BANCRAFT Bradwall under 1 21 Feb 1832 William WALKER Bradwall 2 23 Feb 1832 Thomas WRAGG Little Hucklow 36 29 Feb 1832 Mary MIDDLETON Manchester 15 4 Mar 1832 Jane SELLARS Bradwall 76 5 Mar 1832 Elizabeth MIDDLETON Bradwall 2 8 Mar 1832 Lawrence MARSHALL Bradwall 59 11 Mar 1832 Rachel HALLAM Bradwall 25 25 Mar 1832 Sarah MIDDLETON Bradwall 65 31 Mar 1832 Thomas BOCKING Abney 18 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

I think you will find these lot are from Aston on Trent actually ________________________________ From: mike spencer <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012, 18:59 Subject: [DBY] SHARDLOW Help Hi list,   I am trying to date a document, possibly ear;y 19th C which has a large list of names on it, possibly to do with militia. I believe it covers Shardlow.. One of the names is SMEDLEY John SMEDLEY  ill Marey SMEDLEY John jnr 11 Marey 13 Sarah 8 Ann 5 Jane 1 Also has John ASTLE 61 .Thomas BIRKIN  80 Sarah BIRKIN  76 mike >From those persons can anyone deduce a possible date for the document. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, I am trying to date a document, possibly ear;y 19th C which has a large list of names on it, possibly to do with militia. I believe it covers Shardlow.. One of the names is SMEDLEY John SMEDLEY ill Marey SMEDLEY John jnr 11 Marey 13 Sarah 8 Ann 5 Jane 1 Also has John ASTLE 61 .Thomas BIRKIN 80 Sarah BIRKIN 76 mike >From those persons can anyone deduce a possible date for the document. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Thank you to the list for replies to my question, I can now confirm the factory was owned by a Mr Percy Wright, and it moved to Barrhead it was a leather factory, and later won the Queen's Award for Industry Thank you once again Aileen Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' 

Peter Patilla wrote: > Just had a flash message appear onscreen from Marjorie Wittam (I > think) which appeared via Outlook Express (which I never use) I t > came onscreen for about 30 seconds and I picked up it was about one > of my Lea Mills men Bert Parker (I was all excited as info was > interesting and promise of a photo) Then zap it disappeared into > the ether never to appear again. > I searched my normal email program but not there. I restarted the > never-used Outlook Express but not there > Could Marjorie please resend? (I am hoping it came via the list) I'd suggest having a look in the archives to see there's is anything from Marjorie Wittam there. I've not seen anything though. There are a number of mails from Marjorie Ward. What is the subject line or the likely subject line? Did the mail disappear into the junk mail folder? Have you checked your me.com and mac.com accounts? It's been a long time since I used OE but, IIRC, it can't download any mails unless an email account has been set up in it. Something weird seems to be going on - and Hallowe'en has been and gone. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Afternoon all Having office redecorated so all computer equipment disconnected etc. Working on my emergency laptop Just had a flash message appear onscreen from Marjorie Wittam (I think) which appeared via Outlook Express (which I never use) I t came onscreen for about 30 seconds and I picked up it was about one of my Lea Mills men Bert Parker (I was all excited as info was interesting and promise of a photo) Then zap it disappeared into the ether never to appear again. I searched my normal email program but not there. I restarted the never-used Outlook Express but not there Could Marjorie please resend? (I am hoping it came via the list) A very puzzled Peter