grave robbers in derbyshire, I thought it happened mainly in london area, aileen   Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' ________________________________ From: WendyE Gorlick <nionon@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012, 18:08 Subject: [DBY] Stolen body/bodies ? Hi: I'm just catching up on a backlog of emails. I was looking at: HOPE BURIALS 1831 Jun-Dec. on the list was "2 Oct 1831, Benjamin WRAGG Bradwall 21,  this body stolen" and later in the same list "26 Oct 1831, William BRADWALL Smaldale 28, this body stolen same night" i had to wonder what might be the primary reasons for stealing a body/bodies in this time period? Would this have been an isolated incident? Thanks--WendyE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2012/11/30 17:12, Peter Wright wrote: > I would suspect this chap to work in a coal mine. His job would be to > maintain the roadways from the pit bottom to the coal face. As opposed to a Coal Hewer, who actually cut the coal out of the coal face with a pick-axe. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Ann When trying to get an idea of a roadway underground, first think of a railway tunnel with or without the train lines, with or without lights. That gives you the picture of a roadway underground in a coal mine. Some roadways close to the "pit bottom" where the cage "lift as in a shop" would descend to. The roadways here will most likely have been lit up but say half a mile, maybe less to the coal faces would not always be lit. A roadman would be an undergound worker who was employed on these roads (tunnels) - there are so many jobs he could have been doing - he could have been with others taking supplies of wooden pit props to the coal face, he could have been keeping the roadways clear / clean, maintenance - Hope this gives you an idea. You may find more articulate answers elsewhere but this is my explanation that many years ago was within my knowledge. He would be paid as a day worker -day wage - not as a contractor and would be considerably less monies than a man working on the coal face or other more physically demanding jobs underground. I realise that a roadman covers many other aspects of work underground but hopefully I have given you an idea of the type of work - 1911 Mansfield - there would have been pit ponies pulling tubs empty or full of coal, spillages, ! Regards

Thank you to all on the list, now I understand, I couldnt see why 'road' but thanks to Jack it makes sense. these old professions are quite fascinating Thank you so much Aileen   Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Richards <irene@richardsbygonetimes.co.uk> To: ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk>; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012, 17:16 Subject: Re: [DBY] occupation help Ann When trying to get an idea of a roadway underground, first think of a railway tunnel with or without the train lines, with or without lights. That gives you the picture of a roadway underground in a coal mine. Some roadways close to the "pit bottom"  where the cage  "lift as in a shop" would descend to.  The roadways here will most likely have been lit up but say half a mile, maybe less to the coal faces would not always be lit. A roadman would be an undergound worker who was employed on these roads (tunnels) - there are so many jobs he could have been doing - he could have been with others taking supplies of wooden pit props to the coal face, he could have been keeping the roadways clear / clean, maintenance  - Hope this gives you an idea. You may find more articulate answers elsewhere but this is my explanation that many years ago was within my knowledge. He would be paid as a day worker -day wage - not as a contractor and would be considerably less monies than a man working on the coal face or other more physically demanding jobs underground. I realise that a roadman covers many other aspects of work underground but hopefully I have given you an idea of the type of work - 1911 Mansfield - there would have been pit ponies pulling tubs empty or full of coal, spillages, ! Regards

On 2012/11/30 12:35, ann wrote: > I am wondering if anyone knows what a > 'Roadman Under Ground' > > would be doing this is my man in 1911 mansfield Coal Mining, probably. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Fascinating Jack! We learn the most interesting things here! --WendyE > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012, 17:16 > Subject: Re: [DBY] occupation help > > Ann > > When trying to get an idea of a roadway underground, first think of a > railway tunnel with or without the train lines, with or without lights….

Thank you for that Nivard, it's what I was thinking, but had no other information to go by. I suppose it might have assuaged the upset of the families (or maybe there were none) if they'd been able to choose to further medical science. I suppose many families would have abjured the practice at the time. Sadly, profit sounds as if it was the impetus for those actually stealing the bodies. "Resurrection men," huh? Marketing is everything. :D --WendyE On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Wendy > > Most likely for dissection in medical schools > > There was an act passed to licence those schools in 1832 > > There was not enough bodies from capital punishment so the "resurrection > men" liberated a few from graveyards for a price > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 30/11/2012 18:08, WendyE Gorlick wrote: >> Hi: >> I'm just catching up on a backlog of emails. >> >> I was looking at: HOPE BURIALS 1831 Jun-Dec. on the list was "2 Oct 1831, Benjamin WRAGG Bradwall 21, this body stolen" and later in the same list "26 Oct 1831, William BRADWALL Smaldale 28, this body stolen same night" i had to wonder what might be the primary reasons for stealing a body/bodies in this time period? Would this have been an isolated incident? >> >> Thanks--WendyE > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He would be maintaining the roadways in the mine. Janet Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -----Original Message----- From: ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:35:57 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com<derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk>, derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] occupation help I am wondering if anyone knows what a 'Roadman Under Ground ' would be doing this is my man in 1911 mansfield aileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann I have done a quick Google on this but cannot find anything for certain but I am sure that this is a mining occupation - almost sure I have one in my family somewhere Obviously underground indicates that he is working in the pit below ground - I think that he may also have been called a repair man. Mansfield (Notts) was a big coal mining area Bob -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ann Sent: 30 November 2012 10:36 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] occupation help I am wondering if anyone knows what a 'Roadman Under Ground ' would be doing this is my man in 1911 mansfield aileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann When trying to get an idea of a roadway underground, first think of a railway tunnel with or without the train lines, with or without lights. That gives you the picture of a roadway underground in a coal mine. Some roadways close to the "pit bottom" where the cage "lift as in a shop" would descend to. The roadways here will most likely have been lit up but say half a mile, maybe less to the coal faces would not always be lit. A roadman would be an undergound worker who was employed on these roads (tunnels) - there are so many jobs he could have been doing - he could have been with others taking supplies of wooden pit props to the coal face, he could have been keeping the roadways clear / clean, maintenance - Hope this gives you an idea. You may find more articulate answers elsewhere but this is my explanation that many years ago was within my knowledge. He would be paid as a day worker -day wage - not as a contractor and would be considerably less monies than a man working on the coal face or other more physically demanding jobs underground. I realise that a roadman covers many other aspects of work underground but hopefully I have given you an idea of the type of work - 1911 Mansfield - there would have been pit ponies pulling tubs empty or full of coal, spillages, ! Regards Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:53 PM Subject: [DBY] occupation help I am wondering if anyone knows what a 'Roadman Under Ground ' is this is my man in 1911 mansfield aileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I would suspect this chap to work in a coal mine. His job would be to maintain the roadways from the pit bottom to the coal face. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:35 AM Subject: [DBY] occupation help > > I am wondering if anyone knows what a > 'Roadman Under Ground ' > > would be doing this is my man in 1911 mansfield > > aileen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He would be working underground in a colliery - certainly so in South Yorkshire. Regards Dennis FLAVELL -----Original Message----- From: ann Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:53 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] occupation help I am wondering if anyone knows what a 'Roadman Under Ground ' is this is my man in 1911 mansfield aileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bodies were stolen and sold to medical students and was common across the whole country. Just over the border today but in Derbyshire at this time period at Appleby were a couple of brothers who would regularly steal bodies for medical students. They would watch the grave yard for fresh burials and then in the dead of night exhume the bodies. As I understand it there was no law against body snatching and they were charged with stealing the shroud they were laid to rest in Rob -----Original Message----- From: WendyE Gorlick <nionon@gmail.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:09 Subject: [DBY] Stolen body/bodies ? Hi: I'm just catching up on a backlog of emails. I was looking at: HOPE BURIALS 1831 Jun-Dec. on the list was "2 Oct 1831, Benjamin WRAGG Bradwall 21, this body stolen" and later in the same list "26 Oct 1831, William BRADWALL Smaldale 28, this body stolen same night" i had to wonder what might be the primary reasons for stealing a body/bodies in this time period? Would this have been an isolated incident? Thanks--WendyE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: I'm just catching up on a backlog of emails. I was looking at: HOPE BURIALS 1831 Jun-Dec. on the list was "2 Oct 1831, Benjamin WRAGG Bradwall 21, this body stolen" and later in the same list "26 Oct 1831, William BRADWALL Smaldale 28, this body stolen same night" i had to wonder what might be the primary reasons for stealing a body/bodies in this time period? Would this have been an isolated incident? Thanks--WendyE

  I am wondering if anyone knows what a 'Roadman Under Ground ' is  this is my man in 1911 mansfield aileen

I am wondering if anyone knows what a 'Roadman Under Ground ' would be doing this is my man in 1911 mansfield aileen

Re looking for Oakfield Darley Abbey 1938 Can the list help please, is there an old directory for 30/40 s  ?? any other ideas gratefully received Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' ________________________________ From: ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012, 9:50 Subject: [DBY] darley abbey help needed Can anyone help with my search I am trying to find where my ancestor lived in 1930's She is living at ' Oakfield'  Darley Dale. I am thinking she was working here, as I have a marriage at a later date. If anyone can help would love to know if this is the local doctor or maybe an institution any help gratefully received Aileen Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 

Hello thank you Mike, yes I am aware of Darley Dale, lucky enough to have visited. The address is from an old address book, it reads oak field, Darley Abbey. As this is written by a local girl I feel it must be 'abbey' and not ' dale' Aileen Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' ________________________________ From: mike spencer <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk>; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012, 13:01 Subject: Re: [DBY] darley abbey help needed Aileen, Darley Abbey is near Derby, Darley Dale is about 20 miles north. Have you got yoyr Darley's right?   mike On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:50 AM, ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >Can anyone help with my search > >I am trying to find where my ancestor lived in 1930's >She is living at ' Oakfield'  Darley Dale. >I am thinking she was working here, as I have a marriage >at a later date. >If anyone can help would love to know if this is >the local doctor or maybe an institution > >any help gratefully received > >Aileen > > > >Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm 

Hi Mike, Thanks again for the following, the wife of my 2x great uncle John ADDY from Matlock originally from Old Brampton and Moorhay Farm. 26 Feb 1865 Martha ADDY Matlock Bank 58 Bill Addy New Jersey USA

Aileen, Darley Abbey is near Derby, Darley Dale is about 20 miles north. Have you got yoyr Darley's right? mike On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:50 AM, ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > Can anyone help with my search > > I am trying to find where my ancestor lived in 1930's > She is living at ' Oakfield' Darley Dale. > I am thinking she was working here, as I have a marriage > at a later date. > If anyone can help would love to know if this is > the local doctor or maybe an institution > > any help gratefully received > > Aileen > > > > Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying 'I can't' > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm