Hi all I was wondering if anyone had anything on a Joseph COOK born around 1790 - 1793 at Ticknall I have a COOK family as follows Joseph COOK (b1793 Ticknall Derbyshire) married at Ticknall in 1815 to Elizabeth BOULSIRIDGE (b1791 Ratcliffe Leicestershire) children Joseph b1816 Ticknall Hannah b1818 Ratcliffe Culey Leicestershire George b1821 Ratcliffe Culey Leicestershire William b1824 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire Samuel b1826 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire Henry b1829 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire Mary b1832 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire Catherine b 1837 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire year of birth for Joseph varies by census year 1791 to 1796 (the 1796 was the 1841 so rounded down) There is a possible Baptism on familysearch but nothing to tie to the Joseph above Joseph Cook England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 09 May 1790 TICKNALL,​DERBY,​ENGLAND parents: William Cook,​ Ann name: Joseph Cook gender: Male baptism/christening date: 09 May 1790 baptism/christening place: TICKNALL,DERBY,ENGLAND father's name: William Cook mother's name: Ann indexing project (batch) number: C05900-2 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 428946 Unless someone knows better of course ;-) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Is anyone able to tell me, please, what would have been the likely sentence for someone having stolen a great-coat in 1823? Thanks Cynthia

It sometimes seems like punishments were the domain of the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland - "Off with his head".  There is a good source of information at: http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/section2194-sentences-and-punishments.html         Lou

Good morning If anyone has the PRs for Bakewell and would be willing to do a lookup for me I would be really grateful. There is a birth record for a Thomas Naylor Bramwell in Dec qtr 1885 in Bakewell. On family search, the baptism record gives his mother as Elizabeth Ann Bramwell, but no father. I'd like to know if there is a father listed on the PRs. Thanks so much Janie

Bob BERRY of Chesterfield was transported for nicking a great coat but he also took a plaid cloth as well. That was 1807, but in 1823 lesser things stolen got you passage down under. See Yesterdays site under Transportation beyond the seas. mike On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:11 PM, B and C Kimpton <bandckimpton@kinect.co.nz>wrote: > Is anyone able to tell me, please, what would have been the likely sentence > for someone having stolen a great-coat in 1823? > > Thanks > > Cynthia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

On 2012/12/05 00:11, B and C Kimpton wrote: > Is anyone able to tell me, please, what would have been the likely sentence > for someone having stolen a great-coat in 1823? Hanging? Transportation? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

B and C Kimpton wrote: > Is anyone able to tell me, please, what would have been the likely sentence > for someone having stolen a great-coat in 1823? Probably transportation but possibly hanging which may have been commuted to transportation. It seems harsh to us now, but it wasn't then. Have a look on the Old Bailey site, that may give you an idea of the kind of sentence that may have been handed down. One of my husband's ancestors was sentenced to death for stealing 3 lambs. His sentence was commuted to transportation for life to Australia. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I don't know specifically about great-coats, but my great great grandfather's uncle was sentenced to 7 year's transportation in 1843 at the Spilsby Assizes for stealing a turkey and 5 rabbits. He actually spent the time in prison hulks at Woolwich. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B and C Kimpton Sent: 04 December 2012 22:11 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Sentence for theft Is anyone able to tell me, please, what would have been the likely sentence for someone having stolen a great-coat in 1823? Thanks Cynthia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

more from KI KIRK IRETON BURIALS 1849 3 Jan 1849 Fanny HAYNES Kirk Ireton 51 9 Mar 1849 Thomas WOODHOUSE Kirk Ireton 48 10 Mar 1849 Henry FORD Kirk Ireton 62 24 Apr 1849 Mary WOODHOUSE Kirk Ireton 44 3 May 1849 Mary BROCKLEHURST Ashleyhay 52 5 May 1849 Mary AUSTEN Kirk Ireton 68 19 Jun 1849 William ALDRED Kirk Ireton 80 20 Jun 1849 Ella SLATER Kirk Ireton 2 21 Jun 1849 Isaac WINSON Ireton Wood inf 27 Jun 1849 Mary WHITAKER Kirk Ireton inf 26 Aug 1849 William WHEELDON Ireton Wood inf mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi 'geners, more from GL. GREAT LONGSTONE BURIALS 1889-1890 Jan 31 Jan 1889 William BENNETT Great Longstone 73 13 Feb 1889 Ann BAGSHAW Great Longstone 85 11 Apr 1889 Jacob BOTTOMS Great Longstone 54 24 May 1889 Sarah BRIGHTMORE Great Longstone 73 or 74 (sic) under name is R.C. 6 Jul 1889 Ann BETTNEY Great Longstone 81 10 Jul 1889 George BENNETT Hassop 3 days 16 Oct 1889 Hannah BLACKWELL Busky Cottage Hassop 4 5 Nov 1889 George GASCOYNE Hassop 76 29 Jan 1890 Anne Elizabeth TRICKETT Hassop 19 29 Jan 1890 Isaac SHIMWELL Little Longstone 82 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Thank you Nivard and Rob, NIvard, that's my William Naylor, so thanks for explaining what administration means. Rob, I will use this info for another of my ancestors' wills. Much appreciated both Janie > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > From: famh1story@aim.com > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:11:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [DBY] Finding a copy of a will > > If you have found this in the probate registry index you can send for the will. The cost is £6 and the address is > Postal Searches and Copies Department > Leeds District Probate Registry > York House > York Place > Leeds > LS1 2BA > > for more info see http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills > > Rob > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> > To: derbysgen-l <derbysgen-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 11:05 pm > Subject: [DBY] Finding a copy of a will > > > Hello > I have found a record of a will for William Naylor, died 1899 in Derbyshire. > I am not sure if this is my great great grandfather as of yet, but how would I > go about finding a copy of his will? > Many thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

None for us Mike - but you've done a great job (and still are) over many years and we appreciate your dedication and stamina. Regards > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:26:44 +0000 > From: mikedecc9@sky.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] DUFFIELD BURIALS 1817 Aug > > more from Duffield > > DUFFIELD BURIALS 1817 Aug > > 3 Aug 1817 Thomas SAVAGE Millford 17 > > 5 Aug 1817 Josua WINDLEY Milford 12 > > 6 Aug 1817 James SIMS Morley Park 49 > > 6 Aug 1817 William STONE Duffield 9 > > 7 Aug 1817 William BAGGALEY Bargate 12 > > 8 Aug 1817 Thomas STONE Duffield 4 > > 12 Aug 1817 John WOOD Duffield 79 > > 13 Aug 1817 Susanna STAFFORD Duffield 9 > > 17 Aug 1817 Joseph WARRINER Milford 33 > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 04/12/2012 08:00, derbysgen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > When replying always change the subject line to that of the individual message which you are responding to. > > Please "SNIP" generously, don't repeat everything again. Including everything will inflate the size of the next Digest unnecessarily and could create problems for those who are not on broadband. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Latin Will 1696 18 pages. (John Palmer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 00:17:00 -0000 > From: "John Palmer" <johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk> > Subject: [DBY] Latin Will 1696 18 pages. > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007e01cdd1b4$b3faf7e0$0301a8c0@winxp> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello folks, > I have a Will dated 1696 for which I paid ?3. > Now I find its 18 pages long, difficult writing, > and all in Latin! > All I want is to find is if this chap Roger Gillingham > owned a Water Mill. I have found a Water Mill > called Gillingham's Mill on a map of my land > dated 1768. Any suggestions?? > I can't stand to wade through 18 pages of > Latin in 17th Century script. Anyone keen on the job? > Willing to pay. > Regards, > John Palmer > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to > DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 472 > ***************************************** I am currently, with difficulty, transcribing/translating 6 pages of Latin from 1532. This is likely to take me a long time but if you haven't got anyone in a month or so, do come back to me. Also, if you can work out which bits are relevant, why not post on Rootschat? GR2 and Freckneale are very good , best wishes, Marie

Hi Dave The workhouse was often the nearest or only form of infirmary available to people, they were not all destitute, many well off met their end there Have you checked for a will? You didn't give a name or I could have checked for you Re the Derby Workhouse http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Derby/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/12/2012 11:22, Dave Loydall wrote: > Can anyone please help me out. I was looking at the burial deatils of my > great grandmother who died in 1910. It stated that her place of death was > the Workhouse. By this I take it to mean what eventually became the Manor > Hospital in Derby. > My surprise was that the family seemed to be fairly well-off at the time and > although she was a widow, the 1901 census shows that she had a house servant > and was living with her 4 children aged between 18 and 9 years. > The question is when did the Workhouse become a hospital. > > Dave Loydall

Can anyone please help me out. I was looking at the burial deatils of my great grandmother who died in 1910. It stated that her place of death was the Workhouse. By this I take it to mean what eventually became the Manor Hospital in Derby. My surprise was that the family seemed to be fairly well-off at the time and although she was a widow, the 1901 census shows that she had a house servant and was living with her 4 children aged between 18 and 9 years. The question is when did the Workhouse become a hospital. Dave Loydall

Workhouses were hospitals as well they weren't just for the destitute Rob -----Original Message----- From: Dave Loydall <dloydall@tiscali.co.uk> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:31 am Subject: [DBY] Derby Workhouse Can anyone please help me out. I was looking at the burial deatils of my great grandmother who died in 1910. It stated that her place of death was the Workhouse. By this I take it to mean what eventually became the Manor Hospital in Derby. My surprise was that the family seemed to be fairly well-off at the time and although she was a widow, the 1901 census shows that she had a house servant and was living with her 4 children aged between 18 and 9 years. The question is when did the Workhouse become a hospital. Dave Loydall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello folks, I have a Will dated 1696 for which I paid £3. Now I find its 18 pages long, difficult writing, and all in Latin! All I want is to find is if this chap Roger Gillingham owned a Water Mill. I have found a Water Mill called Gillingham's Mill on a map of my land dated 1768. Any suggestions?? I can't stand to wade through 18 pages of Latin in 17th Century script. Anyone keen on the job? Willing to pay. Regards, John Palmer

Hello Mrs Watson (thats a bit formal isn't it? <vbg>) Assuming its a Derbyshire event, the only one I see in the Probate Calendars is :- Probate Calendars 1899 (Ancestry) NAYLOR William of Bakewell Derbyshire publican died 29 January 1899 Administration Derby 27 March to Jane Naylor widow Effects £115 16s The crucial word is "Administration" which tells you there is no will and he died intestate, the letters of administration are unlikely to tell you any more than you already know I am afraid Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/12/2012 21:47, Mrs Watson wrote: > Hello > I have found a record of a will for William Naylor, died 1899 in Derbyshire. > I am not sure if this is my great great grandfather as of yet, but how would I go about finding a copy of his will? > Many thanks >

Hi list, Belper Wesleyan Methodist burials. BELPER WM BURIALS 1826-1829 2 May 1826 Ann wife of Benjamin PEARSALL Southwell 37 2 Nov 1827 Sarah SLACK widow of Joseph Heage 82 21 Nov 1828 Grace dau of Samuel and Elizabeth PORTER Shottle 12 4 Dec 1828 Thomas son of John and Elizabeth ALTON Heage 14 23 Feb 1829 Elizabeth SLACK wife of John Heage 49 26 Feb 1829 Ralph son of Samuel and Elizabeth WASS Summercotes 30 19 Apr 1829 James son of Edward and Sarah STALEY Shottle 37 30 Apr 1829 Ann dau of Hannah BARNES Shottle 11m mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

now to Kirk Ireton KIRK IRETON BURIALS 1848 7 Jan 1848 German DEAN Callow in Wirksworth 73 7 Apr 1848 Mary JOHNSON Wigwell in Wirksworth 78 9 Apr 1848 William BEESON Ireton Wood 39 9 May 1848 John SPENCER Kirk Ireton 74 23 May 1848 John MILLINGTON Kirk Ireton 75 31 May 1848 Robert HARRISON Kirk Ireton 38 3 Jun 1848 Thomas WARD Kirk Ireton 5 4 Jun 1848 John Leedham DEAN Kirk Ireton inf 13 Jun 1848 Frances SHEPHERD Kirk Ireton 74 19 Jul 1848 Ann MILBOURNE Idridgehay 2-? blot!!! 29 Sep 1848 Mary MASSEY Turnditch 62 4 Oct 1848 Samuel PICKERING Ireton Wood 76 23 Nov 1848 William GREATOREX Kirk Ireton 52 12 Dec 1848 Ann AWTY Stapleford 50 14 Dec 1848 Gervase WOOD Wirksworth 73 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm