Hi list, to the east. PINXTON BURIALS 1839 16 Jan 1839 John JORDAN Pinxton Wharf 22 22 Jan 1839 Mary SLATER Pinxton 41 24 Feb 1839 George BROWN South Normanton 62 7 Mar 1839 George GREATORIX Pinxton Wharf 9 30 Mar 1839 John CHADBURN Pinxton Wharf 59 8 Apr 1839 Hannah ALSOP Pinxton 32? 21 Apr 1839 Elizabeth TUPMAN Pinxton Wharf 19 1 May 1839 John TUPMAN Pinxton Wharf 2 wks 16 May 1839 Hannah CALLADINE South Normanton 23 15 Jun 1839 Elizabeth PURDY Selstone 23 25 Aug 1839 Samuel RENSHAW Pinxton Wharf 68 28 Aug 1839 Harriet BAMFORD Pinxton Wharf 6 17 Sep 1839 Willis BAMFORD Pinxton Wharf 22m 1 Oct 1839 Ann BAMFORD Pinxton Wharf 54 25 Dec 1839 John LEE Pinxton Wharf 36 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi 'geners, this time it's the mods. MARSTON ON DOVE BURIALS 1887 23 Sep 1887 Sarah WEST (New ground) Hatton 75 25 Sep 1887 John ADAMS Hilton 69 3 Nov 1887 Frederick HARRISON Hatton 67 25 Nov 1887 George HILL Hilton or Marston 78 27 Dec 1887 William WALL Hilton 67 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Following Nirvard's recent posting about his Ticknall family I have been prompted to enquire if anyone can help with my wife's 5 x gt grandfather Henry GRANGER. I have his burial in Ticknall on 8th June 1755 - his marriage to Mary Slaney in Sutton in Ashfield, Notts gives his parish as Ticknall (4th Oct 1742) - the baptism of 4 children in Ticknall - John 1745, William 1747 (burial Ticknall 1755), Ann 1751, Francis 1754 I cannot find his baptism in or near Ticknall - can anyone help please? Many thanks in advance Bob

Hi Chris, thank you for this, this is the information I have too, apart from the date was 1897 rather than 1894. And you're right, I can find nothing in the papers to say he was arrested on his return. His death inquest doesn't mention either tha assault charge or his trip to America at all, although I wonder if his wife was alluding to it when she said he hadn't been in any trouble lately. Best wishes Janie > From: candrew@kingston.net > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 11:30:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [DBY] Finding my ancestor's immigration record > > According to the news story at the time (23 Jan 1894 Derbyshire > Times), William Naylor did not appear at the trail. He had sent for > his clothes and asked they be sent on to him in Birmingham. One of > the constables took them to him and was told by Naylor that he > wouldn't appear in court as he was going to America. He was found > guilty and sentenced to three months in the Derby jail but there > wasn't much the court could do to enforce that if he wasn't found. > The court was more concerned with his wife's safety as he had been > charged with assaulting her. > > His publican license was transferred to his wife a couple of weeks > later. The request for transfer said that he was supposed to be in > America so it was granted to her. > > The arrival in New York in Feb 1894 of a William Naylor gives his > correct age and occupation of butcher which he had done before he got > the pub license. So far I can't find a return passenger list for him. > > He did return to Bakewell but there is no other story about his > conviction and sentence. He went back to his wife who continued to > run the pub. He died in Jan 1899 by drowning in the Wye while > returning home from attending the Chesterfield fair. There is nothing > in the news story of his death regarding his previous brush with the > law. > > Chris Andrew > Ontario, Canada > > On Friday 07/12/2012 at 9:45 am, Charani wrote: > > Mrs Watson wrote: > >> > >> Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt > >> grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan > >> 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. > >> > >> I can't find when he returns to England. > > > > Ancestry has the inbound passenger lists but he may have worked his > > passage back rather than being a passenger. I'm not sure whether crew > > would be listed. > > > >> > >> it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June > >> 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In > >> Nov 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died > >> in Bakewell. > > > > I'd suggest keeping an open mind on whether the child was his. Any > > child born to a married woman is *assumed* to be her husband's whether > > that were so or not. It may even say on the birth certificate he was > > the father. > > > > The child would carry the mother's married surname regardless of > > whether she was married or a widow. > > > >> > >> I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including > >> variant spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, > >> since he had been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would > >> be listed somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the > >> UK? > > > > How do you mean "listed somewhere else"? If he served his sentence, > > went to America then returned to England, he would with be in the > > passenger manifest or with the crew. There wouldn't have been a > > separate list for ex-felons. > > > > Is there any reason why you think he might have been re-arrested? If > > he didn't serve his sentence, he would most likely have been arrested > > when he returned to his home. > > > >> > >> I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact > >> serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most > >> welcome. > > > > The record office should have the details of his sentence together > > with where and if he served it. It's probably the Petty Sessions > > records you would need. I don't think they are online. If he'd > > absconded, then he'd be unlikely to return to his home town. He would > > have been aware he would probably be arrested. The fact he did return > > home suggests he did serve his sentence. He wouldn't have served a > > shorter sentence for time served. Normally the time between arrest, > > trial and sentence would have been much shorter than it is now. They > > didn't get time off for good behaviour either. <Awaits list member > > who knows otherwise :))> > > > > Think 19th century, not 20th/21st. He'd almost certainly have been > > taken down straightaway. It was only a short sentence, even by the > > standards of the day. > > > > It's possible he went to America to cover the fact he had been sent to > > prison so when he returned he could say, truthfully, he'd been there > > and let whoever he was talking to conclude he'd been there the whole > > time. > > > > Do you have the child's birth certificate? Do you have your man's > > death certificate? > > > > Try the local papers for any reports as well. They may have more > > detail. Also look at the incoming passenger and crew lists up to and > > including Jan 1899. > > > > -- > > Charani (UK) > > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2012/12/07 15:43, Mrs Watson wrote: > After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt grandfather, > William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan 1897, arriving there on 2 > Feb 1897. Are you saying that he was convicted, sentenced but skipped to New York between leaving the dock and arriving at the prison? Just about impossible I should have thought for the end of the 19th century. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hello Nivard, Mike and Charani, thank you so much for your very quick responses - I'll answer your queries. . . Nivard, I was assuming that as he'd used his real name on the journey out he would use it on the way back. Of course, thinking about it, it might be more likely that he didn't use his real name on the journey back so the police didn't know he was back. Although he appeared to go straight back to Bakewell and to his wife and job anyway. . . so pretty obvious it was him - maybe he was arrested on his return. Charani, and MIke: He didn't serve his sentence at the time as he was absent when sentenced, the police couldn't find him although apparently he'd been seen in Bakewell that morning and they searched for him. So they sentenced him to three months in gaol in his absence. Two days later he was on the ship to New York! Understand totally about your point about the birth cert having his name on it since they were married, which it does. However, in Nov of 1898 he goes to the Petty Sessions to conscientiously object to this child being vaccinated against smallpox as he feared it would harm the child, so my thinking was that the child may well have been his. Yes, I have the death cert and newspaper reports for his death in 1899. I take your point about the passenger lists not being complete, I will just keep trawling through I think! Thank you so much Janie > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 15:00:43 +0000 > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] Finding my ancestor's immigration record > > Hi Janie > > Firstly passenger lists are not complete, some have been lost or destroyed > > And they are for passengers, could he have worked his passage as a crew > member > > If your man had a sentence hanging over him he would surely not used his > own name but would have used a false name or alias > > He is more likely to have changed his surname than first name and or age > but may have changed the lot just in case > > Although he may have left from any port, as a starting point try all > Williams who left New York to arrive back in the UK in 1897, if you add > his birth year of 1864 +/- 1 year it still gets 139 hits > > And that is assuming he didn't change his first name and age > > So you may have an uphill struggle to find him I am afraid > > I find it hard to believe that someone under sentence would come back > under his own name > > I doubt the police would have the resources or information to know one > man from another unless it was a very serious crime > > When you say he was sentenced, why didn't he serve his time there and > then? They would not have let him out for a while before serving a > sentence, it would have been sentence and straight out the dock into the > nick > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 07/12/2012 13:43, Mrs Watson wrote: > > Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt > > grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan > > 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. > > > > I can't find when he returns to England. > > > > it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June > > 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In Nov > > 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died in > > Bakewell. > > > > I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including variant > > spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, since he had > > been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would be listed > > somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the UK? > > > > I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact > > serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most welcome. > > > > Many thanks Janie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janie Firstly passenger lists are not complete, some have been lost or destroyed And they are for passengers, could he have worked his passage as a crew member If your man had a sentence hanging over him he would surely not used his own name but would have used a false name or alias He is more likely to have changed his surname than first name and or age but may have changed the lot just in case Although he may have left from any port, as a starting point try all Williams who left New York to arrive back in the UK in 1897, if you add his birth year of 1864 +/- 1 year it still gets 139 hits And that is assuming he didn't change his first name and age So you may have an uphill struggle to find him I am afraid I find it hard to believe that someone under sentence would come back under his own name I doubt the police would have the resources or information to know one man from another unless it was a very serious crime When you say he was sentenced, why didn't he serve his time there and then? They would not have let him out for a while before serving a sentence, it would have been sentence and straight out the dock into the nick Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/12/2012 13:43, Mrs Watson wrote: > Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt > grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan > 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. > > I can't find when he returns to England. > > it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June > 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In Nov > 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died in > Bakewell. > > I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including variant > spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, since he had > been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would be listed > somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the UK? > > I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact > serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most welcome. > > Many thanks Janie >

Mrs Watson wrote: > Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt > grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan > 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. > > I can't find when he returns to England. Ancestry has the inbound passenger lists but he may have worked his passage back rather than being a passenger. I'm not sure whether crew would be listed. > it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June > 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In > Nov 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died > in Bakewell. I'd suggest keeping an open mind on whether the child was his. Any child born to a married woman is *assumed* to be her husband's whether that were so or not. It may even say on the birth certificate he was the father. The child would carry the mother's married surname regardless of whether she was married or a widow. > I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including > variant spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, > since he had been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would > be listed somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the > UK? How do you mean "listed somewhere else"? If he served his sentence, went to America then returned to England, he would with be in the passenger manifest or with the crew. There wouldn't have been a separate list for ex-felons. Is there any reason why you think he might have been re-arrested? If he didn't serve his sentence, he would most likely have been arrested when he returned to his home. > I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact > serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most > welcome. The record office should have the details of his sentence together with where and if he served it. It's probably the Petty Sessions records you would need. I don't think they are online. If he'd absconded, then he'd be unlikely to return to his home town. He would have been aware he would probably be arrested. The fact he did return home suggests he did serve his sentence. He wouldn't have served a shorter sentence for time served. Normally the time between arrest, trial and sentence would have been much shorter than it is now. They didn't get time off for good behaviour either. <Awaits list member who knows otherwise :))> Think 19th century, not 20th/21st. He'd almost certainly have been taken down straightaway. It was only a short sentence, even by the standards of the day. It's possible he went to America to cover the fact he had been sent to prison so when he returned he could say, truthfully, he'd been there and let whoever he was talking to conclude he'd been there the whole time. Do you have the child's birth certificate? Do you have your man's death certificate? Try the local papers for any reports as well. They may have more detail. Also look at the incoming passenger and crew lists up to and including Jan 1899. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. I can't find when he returns to England. it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In Nov 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died in Bakewell. I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including variant spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, since he had been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would be listed somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the UK? I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most welcome. Many thanks Janie

According to the news story at the time (23 Jan 1894 Derbyshire Times), William Naylor did not appear at the trail. He had sent for his clothes and asked they be sent on to him in Birmingham. One of the constables took them to him and was told by Naylor that he wouldn't appear in court as he was going to America. He was found guilty and sentenced to three months in the Derby jail but there wasn't much the court could do to enforce that if he wasn't found. The court was more concerned with his wife's safety as he had been charged with assaulting her. His publican license was transferred to his wife a couple of weeks later. The request for transfer said that he was supposed to be in America so it was granted to her. The arrival in New York in Feb 1894 of a William Naylor gives his correct age and occupation of butcher which he had done before he got the pub license. So far I can't find a return passenger list for him. He did return to Bakewell but there is no other story about his conviction and sentence. He went back to his wife who continued to run the pub. He died in Jan 1899 by drowning in the Wye while returning home from attending the Chesterfield fair. There is nothing in the news story of his death regarding his previous brush with the law. Chris Andrew Ontario, Canada On Friday 07/12/2012 at 9:45 am, Charani wrote: > Mrs Watson wrote: >> >> Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt >> grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan >> 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. >> >> I can't find when he returns to England. > > Ancestry has the inbound passenger lists but he may have worked his > passage back rather than being a passenger. I'm not sure whether crew > would be listed. > >> >> it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June >> 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In >> Nov 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died >> in Bakewell. > > I'd suggest keeping an open mind on whether the child was his. Any > child born to a married woman is *assumed* to be her husband's whether > that were so or not. It may even say on the birth certificate he was > the father. > > The child would carry the mother's married surname regardless of > whether she was married or a widow. > >> >> I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including >> variant spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, >> since he had been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would >> be listed somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the >> UK? > > How do you mean "listed somewhere else"? If he served his sentence, > went to America then returned to England, he would with be in the > passenger manifest or with the crew. There wouldn't have been a > separate list for ex-felons. > > Is there any reason why you think he might have been re-arrested? If > he didn't serve his sentence, he would most likely have been arrested > when he returned to his home. > >> >> I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact >> serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most >> welcome. > > The record office should have the details of his sentence together > with where and if he served it. It's probably the Petty Sessions > records you would need. I don't think they are online. If he'd > absconded, then he'd be unlikely to return to his home town. He would > have been aware he would probably be arrested. The fact he did return > home suggests he did serve his sentence. He wouldn't have served a > shorter sentence for time served. Normally the time between arrest, > trial and sentence would have been much shorter than it is now. They > didn't get time off for good behaviour either. <Awaits list member > who knows otherwise :))> > > Think 19th century, not 20th/21st. He'd almost certainly have been > taken down straightaway. It was only a short sentence, even by the > standards of the day. > > It's possible he went to America to cover the fact he had been sent to > prison so when he returned he could say, truthfully, he'd been there > and let whoever he was talking to conclude he'd been there the whole > time. > > Do you have the child's birth certificate? Do you have your man's > death certificate? > > Try the local papers for any reports as well. They may have more > detail. Also look at the incoming passenger and crew lists up to and > including Jan 1899. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Sue Very much appreciate the help Particularly the burial as that does put a fresh twist on it, there is certainly scope for another Joseph but it would have been good to find a baptism for him All the birth years suggest 1791 or later which does tie in to a second Joseph I will see if I can find any more on the children you mention George appears to survive but moved away from Ticknall as did Joseph I found a Wm COOK as a tenant in Ticknall in 1798 along with a Thomas COOK Would you by any chance have the detail of the marriage? JOSEPH COOK Spouse: ELIZABETH BOULSTRIDGE Family Marriage: 26 JUN 1815 Ticknall, Derby, England M059001 1806 - 1812 0428946 Film 6903270 Film M059001 1813 - 1837 0498136 Film 6903270 Film I know its unlikely to add much if anything but just wondered in case the witnesses are related Thanks for the help, it is appreciated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/12/2012 08:29, Sue Brown wrote: > > > Hello Nivard, > > There is only one baptism of a Joseph Cook in Ticknall at around that > time so you appear to have the right one, but there is a burial on > the 20th May 1790 for Joseph son of William & Ann Cook, pauper. It is > possible that the parents had another child called Joseph after > Joseph died, there is a gap between the last 2 children from > 1791-1797. The children are listed below. although Ticknall PRs seem > pretty complete, there are baptisms that are known to be missing, not > that that is much help here of course. > > William & Ann Cook had the following children: Ann bap 19 Feb 1775 > when they were living on Derby Hills just outside the village Jane 11 > May 1777 William 8 April 1781 George 11 Jan 1784 John 16 July 1786 > Elizabeth 3 May 1789 and buried March 30th 1790 pauper Joseph son of > William & Ann, baptised 9 May 1790, pauper, buried 20 May 1790 > another Elizabeth 2 Oct 1791 pau[per] Mary 28 May 1797. > > William Cook married Ann Pemberton of Ravenstone Leics 7 Feb 1774 at > Ticknall. > > Sue

Winston Cochrane wrote: > Mike, Not Mike, but I can answer at least some of your questions :)) > I recently joined this mailing list and did not see the beginning of your > burial list emails, so please excuse my questions. What is the source, and > are these emails being archived so that I can review the earlier ones? Every mail sent to the list is archived and you'll find them at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DERBYSGEN/ Mike has been transcribing Derbyshire CMBs for many years so don't restrict your search to a few months before you joined the list :)) > Also, I want to make sure I understand all the information. My questions: > Is, for example, Great Longstone the name of the town in Derby? It'll be the place, yes; the hamlet, village or town. Bear in mind that Derby is not just an abbreviation for Derbyshire, it's also the name of the county town. > Is, for example, Hassop or Longstone Magna, the name of the graveyard within > Longstone? No, that'll be the name of the place where the deceased was from. Not everyone was buried where they had lived either because there was no graveyard (or, later when the graveyards were full, no cemetery) or it was the deceased request to be buried elsewhere (their original home parish for instance) or it was too far and too expensive for the body to be transported back home. Although graveyard and cemetery are often used interchangeably, a graveyard is invariably used to refer to the burial ground around a church; whereas cemetery is the burial ground for all churches, chapels, faiths and religions as well as those with no such affiliations. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Winston I am sure Mike will reply in more detail but in brief All the previously posted burials will be found in the list archives To check all the archives of the many lists go to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Select mailing lists from the top bar menu You can use the top search box to search all the lists archives at the same time or you can enter a lists name in the lower box and navigate to the list home page and search or browse the specific list from there For Derbysgen see http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/DERBYSGEN.html To check Mikes web site see the link at the foot of his posts <http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm> ------------------------- The burials in this post are for Great Longstone and where a place name follows the name it generally means they were "of" that place but not necessarily born there You will find many place names in England with the suffix Magna or Parva Most often in pairs fairly close to one another its just a way to denote which is the larger and which the smaller place of that same name Magna = Great or Major or Much Parva = Little, Lesser or Minor For example if you look at googlemaps for Great Longstone you will find a Great Longstone and close by a Little Longstone Previously these would be Longstone Magna and Longstone Parva These days Magna is often found as Great or Greater and Parva as Little Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/12/2012 01:38, Winston Cochrane wrote: > Mike, > > I recently joined this mailing list and did not see the beginning of your > burial list emails, so please excuse my questions. What is the source, and > are these emails being archived so that I can review the earlier ones? > > Also, I want to make sure I understand all the information. My questions: > Is, for example, Great Longstone the name of the town in Derby? > Is, for example, Hassop or Longstone Magna, the name of the graveyard within > Longstone? > > Thanks for your work. > > Winston Cochrane > Maineville, Ohio

Hello Nivard,   There is only one baptism of a Joseph Cook in Ticknall at around that time so you appear to have the right one, but there is a burial on the 20th May 1790 for Joseph son of William & Ann Cook, pauper. It is possible that the parents had another child called Joseph after Joseph died, there is a gap between the last 2 children from 1791-1797. The children are listed below. although Ticknall PRs seem pretty complete, there are baptisms that are known to be missing, not that that is much help here of course.   William & Ann Cook had the following children: Ann bap 19 Feb 1775 when they were living on Derby Hills just outside the village Jane 11 May 1777 William 8 April 1781 George 11 Jan 1784 John 16 July 1786 Elizabeth 3 May 1789 and buried March 30th 1790 pauper Joseph son of William & Ann, baptised 9 May 1790, pauper, buried 20 May 1790 another Elizabeth 2 Oct 1791 pau[per] Mary 28 May 1797.   William Cook married Ann Pemberton of Ravenstone Leics 7 Feb 1774 at Ticknall.   Sue >________________________________ >  >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:24:30 +0000 >From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> >Subject: [DBY] Joseph COOK - Ticknall circa 1793 >To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <50BF9F6E.7020609@sky.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > >Hi all > >I was wondering if anyone had anything on a Joseph COOK born around 1790 >- 1793 at Ticknall > >I have a COOK family as follows > >Joseph COOK (b1793 Ticknall Derbyshire) >married at Ticknall in 1815 to Elizabeth BOULSIRIDGE (b1791 Ratcliffe >Leicestershire) >children >Joseph b1816 Ticknall >Hannah b1818 Ratcliffe Culey Leicestershire >George b1821 Ratcliffe Culey Leicestershire >William b1824 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire >Samuel b1826 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire >Henry b1829 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire >Mary b1832 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire >Catherine b 1837 Orton on the Hill Leicestershire > >year of birth for Joseph varies by census year 1791 to 1796 >(the 1796 was the 1841 so rounded down) > >There is a possible Baptism on familysearch but nothing to tie to the >Joseph above > >Joseph Cook >England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 >christening:    09 May 1790    TICKNALL,?DERBY,?ENGLAND >parents:    William Cook,? Ann >name:    Joseph Cook >gender:    Male >baptism/christening date:    09 May 1790 >baptism/christening place:    TICKNALL,DERBY,ENGLAND >father's name:    William Cook >mother's name:    Ann >indexing project (batch) number:    C05900-2 >system origin:    England-ODM >source film number:    428946 > >Unless someone knows better of course ;-) >-- >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >

Hi 'geners, another GL batch. GREAT LONGSTONE BURIALS 1837 12 Jan 1837 Amey RADFORD Hassop 71 18 Jan 1837 Jane GARLICK Wardlow 82 27 Jan 1837 Elizabeth? FURNISS Longstone Magna 20 10 Feb 1837 Sarah GREGORY Longstone Magna 73 18 Feb 1837 Mary HILL Longstone Magna 74 18 Feb 1837 Ann ROBINSON Wardlow 1 19 Feb 1837 Iram BOME Longstone Magna 1 23 Feb 1837 Mary FURNISS Longstone Magna 58 24 Feb 1837 Smith GREGORY Longstone Magna 58 26 Feb 1837 Samuel ALSOP Wardlow inf 26 Mar 1837 Matthew ROBINSON Wardlow 45 7 Apr 1837 Jane WAGER Longstone Magna 14 29 Apr 1837 William RILEY Longstone Magna 51 30 Apr 1837 Caroline Louisa DUNKERLEY Ashford 18 7 May 1837 James GARLICK Wardlow 12 14 May 1837 Matilda SKIDMORE Longstone Magna 4 29 May 1837 Rebecca BARTON Rowland 19 8 Jun 1837 Isaac HOWE Litton 58 12 Jun 1837 Jonathan HODGKINSON Longstone Parva inf 22 Jun 1837 Joseph BARTON Rowland 12 26 Jul 1837 Mary WAGER Longstone Parva 2 30 Jul 1837 Samuel ASHTON Longstone Magna 64 26 Oct 1837 George GREGORY Buxton 76 26 Nov 1837 Jane BOTHAM Longstone Magna 81 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi list, now to GL GREAT LONGSTONE BURIALS 1836 7 Jan 1836 Agnes HULLY Hassop 73 18 Jan 1836 Mary BENNET Longstone Magna 47 25 Jan 1836 James ORR Longstone Magna inf 9 Mar 1836 Sarah BOTHAM Longstone Parva 37 16 Mar 1836 George EYRE Longstone Magna 4 25 Mar 1836 Elizabeth HULLY Longstone Parva inf 21 May 1836 Mary WAGER Longstone Magna 22 7 Jun 1836 Emma HULLY Longstone Parva 2 15 Jun 1836 Beresford TURNER Cressbrook p.Tideswell 56 23 Jun 1836 Tamar HILL Longstone Magna inf 23 Jun 1836 Joseph HULLY Manchester 24 1 Jul 1836 John BRIGHTMORE Rowland 75 30 Sep 1836 John GREGORY Longstone Magna 66 23 Dec 1836 Hannah CROOKS Longstone Magna 21 31 Dec 1836 Elizabeth BOTHAM Longstone Magna 52 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi list, now to Bradwell. BRADWELL BURIALS 1890 5 Jan 1893 John HALL Far Cotes Bradwell 66 31 Jan 1893 Ann EYRE Smalldale Bradwell 79 13 Feb 1893 Robert BAGSHAW Grindlow 68 16 Feb 1893 Absalom MARSHALL 62 Bower Rd Sheffield aged 65 17 Feb 1893 Nancy HOWE Bradwell 59 17 May 1893 Hannah ELLIOTT The Hills Bradwell 72 17 May 1893 Ann HALL Bradwell 68 13 Jun 1893 Thomas WILSON Bradwell 58 27 Dec 1893 George BENNETT Bradwell 36 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

more from Kirk Ireton KIRK IRETON BURIALS 1850 23 Jan 1850 William AUSTIN Kirk Ireton 49 2 Feb 1850 Robert WALKER Ireton Wood 84 16 Feb 1850 Robert JOHNSON Kirk Ireton 74 21 Feb 1850 Ann SIMPSON Kirk Ireton 22 26 Feb 1850 Sarah YEOMANS Kirk Ireton 82 1 Mar 1850 William COOPER Callow in Wirksworth 53 19 May 1850 Henry VALLENCE Kirk Ireton 88 23 May 1850 Ellen JOHNSON Kirk Ireton 42 26 May 1850 Robert ELLIOTT Kirk Ireton 69 10 Jun 1850 Mary MELBOURNE Idridgehay 6 26 Jun 1850 Samuel WOOD Kirk Ireton 5m 27 Jul 1850 Stephen PICKERING Kirk Ireton 65 11 Aug 1850 James PAKEMAN Ireton Wood 17 31 Aug 1850 Henry HARVEY Callow 9wks 5 Oct 1850 Mary Ann BEARDSLEY Alton 61 13 Jun (sic) 1850 Mary ALDRED Duffield 71 25 Dec 1850 John PICKERING Ireton Wood 66 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Mike, I recently joined this mailing list and did not see the beginning of your burial list emails, so please excuse my questions. What is the source, and are these emails being archived so that I can review the earlier ones? Also, I want to make sure I understand all the information. My questions: Is, for example, Great Longstone the name of the town in Derby? Is, for example, Hassop or Longstone Magna, the name of the graveyard within Longstone? Thanks for your work. Winston Cochrane Maineville, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike spencer Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:40 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] GREAT LONGSTONE BURIALS 1836 Hi list, now to GL GREAT LONGSTONE BURIALS 1836 7 Jan 1836 Agnes HULLY Hassop 73 18 Jan 1836 Mary BENNET Longstone Magna 47 25 Jan 1836 James ORR Longstone Magna inf 9 Mar 1836 Sarah BOTHAM Longstone Parva 37 16 Mar 1836 George EYRE Longstone Magna 4 25 Mar 1836 Elizabeth HULLY Longstone Parva inf 21 May 1836 Mary WAGER Longstone Magna 22 7 Jun 1836 Emma HULLY Longstone Parva 2 15 Jun 1836 Beresford TURNER Cressbrook p.Tideswell 56 23 Jun 1836 Tamar HILL Longstone Magna inf 23 Jun 1836 Joseph HULLY Manchester 24 1 Jul 1836 John BRIGHTMORE Rowland 75 30 Sep 1836 John GREGORY Longstone Magna 66 23 Dec 1836 Hannah CROOKS Longstone Magna 21 31 Dec 1836 Elizabeth BOTHAM Longstone Magna 52 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message