Hi All I've not been able to find Thomas BLACKER, who is married in Blackwell by Alfreton in 1798 to Martha Helkin. They have a daughter Ann who is bapt just a day before their marriage. On the whole I havn't found many with this name in Derbyshire to give me any clues. I'v searched for some years for this eleusive fellow. Any help appreciated. regards Hilary Thomas

Barbara I have been going by what was on the census returns as to their occupations. I have now delved into the hard copies I have of BMD certificates that I have rooted out. Not looked at them in a very long time. Makes a bit more sense now. But still adds a few more questions!! On Eunice's birth certificate it states the father as Matthew COPE (naval engineer) So looks like he was in the navy some time after he qualified as an engineer and possibly away a lot of the time. He was an iron smith in 1853 as stated on his marriage certificate and living on Nottingham Road in Derby. Then on Eunice's death certificate the father is stated at John COPE (a sailor merchant service - deceased) The saga carries on after that with Eunice who was an unmarried mother. She gave birth to my Grandfather George Russell COPE in 1883. I have been looking at the RUSSELL surname for a while now thinking that there might be a clue there as to the father. The RUSSELL family came in from Mancetter and settled in Derby. The had a few sons one of which ended up living in Drewery Lane (as was Eunice!) But by this time he was married. I did ask a few weeks back if anyone could help re where to go next looking for the father when some kind soul (Nivard) told me that she had had another son Ernest Russell COPE in 1886 and he had only lived a couple of months. So surely the same father. She died a spinster. Anyway that is another story. Maureen On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Barbara Johnston < bajohnston57@btinternet.com> wrote: > Strange how we can't see a death for him, Maureen. I did look at the army > records but nothing concrete there. > > Think you will have to get the death record for any clues. Have you > Eunice's birth certificate too as it will give us her father's profession > at > least. > > These brick walls are so difficult, aren't they, but all the more > satisfying > if you can break them down! > > Barbara > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:32 PM > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DBY] Matthew COPE > > > Sorry to add to what I have just written - I have just found out how to > > see > > who else was in the household and the "Anna" is 9 years older that > Matthew > > and my Hannah was only 6 years older - so possibly not the right one > > unfortunately. > > Maureen > > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Maureen Allen > > <allen_maureen1@sky.com>wrote: > > > >> Hi Barbara and Louise > >> > >> Thanks for the replies. > >> > >> Barbara - I have found a death of a Hannah COPE in Derby in 1864 - so > >> presumed that was her as Eunice was living with her aunt at the time. In > >> the 1861 census she is down as being married. > >> > >> Louise - I cannot find the Matthew and Anna that you are on about in > >> Pennsylvania. I can see a Mathew Cope with one "t" of the correct age - > >> so > >> am probably not looking in the correct place. But that could certainly > >> have > >> been an idea! Possibly I should send away for the death certificate and > >> see > >> if there is any information on it to prove that it is her. Unfortunately > >> it > >> is a couple of months too early to state the age of death > >> > >> Thanks for your help > >> > >> Maureen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Barbara Johnston < > >> bajohnston57@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Maureen, > >>> Where is Hannah Baker/Cope in 71. Does she remarry or say she is a > >>> widow > >>> in > >>> any census. I find it a bit unusual that they married in 1853 but > >>> didn't > >>> have a child until 1860. Does this mean Matthew was working away > perhaps > >>> or > >>> in the army? > >>> > >>> Just bouncing ideas around really. You might have tried lots of > things. > >>> > >>> Barbara > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM > >>> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > >>> Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE > >>> > >>> > My brick wall > >>> > > >>> > Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. > >>> > 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the > >>> > Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby > >>> > on 4.1.1835. > >>> > In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. > >>> > In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby > >>> > He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. > >>> > They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. > >>> > But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - > >>> > I > >>> > just > >>> > cannot find him anywhere. > >>> > His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by > >>> then. > >>> > Any ideas for me to follow? > >>> > > >>> > Maureen Allen > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------- > >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Looking for a marriage between WILLIAM GRANT AND ANN DAWES William was christen in Harthill Yorkshire in 1811 and Ann in Ridgeway Derbyshire in 1811. There first child John GRANT was christen in Mosborough in 24 March 1833, born in Rotherham Yorkshire on 20 June 1832 [according to the christening record]. The couple had 9 children all christen in St Peter & St Paul Eckington where the family lived. William came from a family who lived in Harthill for over a hundred years and Ann was from a family that had lived in Ridgeway/ Mosborough since the 1770 and her Grandparents were from Harthill going back along time. There is no marriage in All Saints Rotherham for the time frame 1754-1837. There is nil on free bdm and free parish registers website. They did not marry in Harthill and I have not come across them in Mosborough. Karen

Happy New Year to everyone. My brickwall has been with me for a long time. Robert Loverock married Elizabeth Sherratt in Checkley on 23 June 1715, but where did Robert come from? They had two sons, Robert and John who were both baptised in Ipstones. It was my line who chose the spelling of Loverock in about 1800. Before that anything goes, so I search for L*v*r*ck. The possible link to Derbyshire is the will of Francis Laverock, which was proved in 1640. He was a husbandman of Morton and had the following children: James. William, Ann (wife of Henry Eyre), and Robert. Does anyone have any ideas? Barbara a Derbyshire lass living down south.

Hi list, now to Ockbrook OCKBROOK BURIALS 1842 11 Jan 1842 Ann STEVENS Ockbrook 57 27 Feb 1842 John NEWBOLD Burrowash 27 17 Mar 1842 Eliza SLATER Shardlow inf 23 Mar 1842 Robert KERRY Ockbrook 78 18 May 1842 Ann PHIPPS Ockbrook 27 2 Mar 1842 Elizabeth GRUNDY Ockbrook date correct, entry entered at bottom of page. 21 May 1842 William STEVENS Ockbrook 3 18 Jun 1842 Jane MANSFIELD Borrowash 84 19 Jun 1842 Joseph WHEATCROFT Ockbrook 69 16 Jul 1842 Sarah COTTON Shardlow 18 12 Aug 1842 Susanna Maria BEAUMONT Ockbrook 51 16 Aug 1842 Sarah PLANT Shacklecross 69 22 Aug 1842 Mary BROWN Shacklecross 34 6 Sep 1842 Benjamin TOWLE Esq Borrowash 58 27 Nov 1842 Elizabeth WINDLEY Ockbrook 18 1 Dec 1842 Elizabeth SAXTON Borrowash 55 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Strange how we can't see a death for him, Maureen. I did look at the army records but nothing concrete there. Think you will have to get the death record for any clues. Have you Eunice's birth certificate too as it will give us her father's profession at least. These brick walls are so difficult, aren't they, but all the more satisfying if you can break them down! Barbara -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:32 PM To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DBY] Matthew COPE > Sorry to add to what I have just written - I have just found out how to > see > who else was in the household and the "Anna" is 9 years older that Matthew > and my Hannah was only 6 years older - so possibly not the right one > unfortunately. > Maureen > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Maureen Allen > <allen_maureen1@sky.com>wrote: > >> Hi Barbara and Louise >> >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> Barbara - I have found a death of a Hannah COPE in Derby in 1864 - so >> presumed that was her as Eunice was living with her aunt at the time. In >> the 1861 census she is down as being married. >> >> Louise - I cannot find the Matthew and Anna that you are on about in >> Pennsylvania. I can see a Mathew Cope with one "t" of the correct age - >> so >> am probably not looking in the correct place. But that could certainly >> have >> been an idea! Possibly I should send away for the death certificate and >> see >> if there is any information on it to prove that it is her. Unfortunately >> it >> is a couple of months too early to state the age of death >> >> Thanks for your help >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Barbara Johnston < >> bajohnston57@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Maureen, >>> Where is Hannah Baker/Cope in 71. Does she remarry or say she is a >>> widow >>> in >>> any census. I find it a bit unusual that they married in 1853 but >>> didn't >>> have a child until 1860. Does this mean Matthew was working away perhaps >>> or >>> in the army? >>> >>> Just bouncing ideas around really. You might have tried lots of things. >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM >>> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE >>> >>> > My brick wall >>> > >>> > Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. >>> > 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the >>> > Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby >>> > on 4.1.1835. >>> > In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. >>> > In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby >>> > He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. >>> > They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. >>> > But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - >>> > I >>> > just >>> > cannot find him anywhere. >>> > His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by >>> then. >>> > Any ideas for me to follow? >>> > >>> > Maureen Allen >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to add to what I have just written - I have just found out how to see who else was in the household and the "Anna" is 9 years older that Matthew and my Hannah was only 6 years older - so possibly not the right one unfortunately. Maureen On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Maureen Allen <allen_maureen1@sky.com>wrote: > Hi Barbara and Louise > > Thanks for the replies. > > Barbara - I have found a death of a Hannah COPE in Derby in 1864 - so > presumed that was her as Eunice was living with her aunt at the time. In > the 1861 census she is down as being married. > > Louise - I cannot find the Matthew and Anna that you are on about in > Pennsylvania. I can see a Mathew Cope with one "t" of the correct age - so > am probably not looking in the correct place. But that could certainly have > been an idea! Possibly I should send away for the death certificate and see > if there is any information on it to prove that it is her. Unfortunately it > is a couple of months too early to state the age of death > > Thanks for your help > > Maureen > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Barbara Johnston < > bajohnston57@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi Maureen, >> Where is Hannah Baker/Cope in 71. Does she remarry or say she is a widow >> in >> any census. I find it a bit unusual that they married in 1853 but didn't >> have a child until 1860. Does this mean Matthew was working away perhaps >> or >> in the army? >> >> Just bouncing ideas around really. You might have tried lots of things. >> >> Barbara >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM >> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE >> >> > My brick wall >> > >> > Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. >> > 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the >> > Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby >> > on 4.1.1835. >> > In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. >> > In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby >> > He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. >> > They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. >> > But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - I >> > just >> > cannot find him anywhere. >> > His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by >> then. >> > Any ideas for me to follow? >> > >> > Maureen Allen >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Barbara and Louise Thanks for the replies. Barbara - I have found a death of a Hannah COPE in Derby in 1864 - so presumed that was her as Eunice was living with her aunt at the time. In the 1861 census she is down as being married. Louise - I cannot find the Matthew and Anna that you are on about in Pennsylvania. I can see a Mathew Cope with one "t" of the correct age - so am probably not looking in the correct place. But that could certainly have been an idea! Possibly I should send away for the death certificate and see if there is any information on it to prove that it is her. Unfortunately it is a couple of months too early to state the age of death Thanks for your help Maureen On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Barbara Johnston < bajohnston57@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Maureen, > Where is Hannah Baker/Cope in 71. Does she remarry or say she is a widow > in > any census. I find it a bit unusual that they married in 1853 but didn't > have a child until 1860. Does this mean Matthew was working away perhaps or > in the army? > > Just bouncing ideas around really. You might have tried lots of things. > > Barbara > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE > > > My brick wall > > > > Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. > > 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the > > Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby > > on 4.1.1835. > > In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. > > In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby > > He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. > > They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. > > But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - I > > just > > cannot find him anywhere. > > His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by > then. > > Any ideas for me to follow? > > > > Maureen Allen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Oh bet you are on to something there Louise, I couldn't find Hannah in 71 anywhere either. We will see what Maureen thinks Barbara -------------------------------------------------- From: "Louise Merrill" <genealogygirl@talktalk.net> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:47 PM To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DBY] Matthew COPE > This may be a long shot but there is a Matthew Cope and his wife Anna > living > in Pennsylvania in 1870 both were from England. [You can view the image > via > familysearch.org]. The age given for Matthew is correct and Anna is > older. > It wasn't uncommon for married men to go to America by themselves and send > for their families once they were settled down. Hannah may have gone > across > sometime between 1861 and 1870 to join him but for some reason left their > daughter Eunice behind. I've seen Eunice living with the Baker family on > the census right up until 1901. > > It could be him as there are no death records for him in England and he > doesn't appear to be on any of the later census returns ... or then again > it > could be someone totally different! > > > Louise > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen Allen > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE > > My brick wall > > Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. > 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the > Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby > on 4.1.1835. > In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. > In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby > He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. > They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. > But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - I > just > cannot find him anywhere. > His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by then. > Any ideas for me to follow? > > Maureen Allen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may be a long shot but there is a Matthew Cope and his wife Anna living in Pennsylvania in 1870 both were from England. [You can view the image via familysearch.org]. The age given for Matthew is correct and Anna is older. It wasn't uncommon for married men to go to America by themselves and send for their families once they were settled down. Hannah may have gone across sometime between 1861 and 1870 to join him but for some reason left their daughter Eunice behind. I've seen Eunice living with the Baker family on the census right up until 1901. It could be him as there are no death records for him in England and he doesn't appear to be on any of the later census returns ... or then again it could be someone totally different! Louise -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Allen Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE My brick wall Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby on 4.1.1835. In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - I just cannot find him anywhere. His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by then. Any ideas for me to follow? Maureen Allen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen, Where is Hannah Baker/Cope in 71. Does she remarry or say she is a widow in any census. I find it a bit unusual that they married in 1853 but didn't have a child until 1860. Does this mean Matthew was working away perhaps or in the army? Just bouncing ideas around really. You might have tried lots of things. Barbara -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maureen Allen" <allen_maureen1@sky.com> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:15 PM To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DBY] Matthew COPE > My brick wall > > Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. > 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the > Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby > on 4.1.1835. > In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. > In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby > He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. > They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. > But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - I > just > cannot find him anywhere. > His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by then. > Any ideas for me to follow? > > Maureen Allen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My brick wall Matthew COPE b 17.11.1834 in Derby. 2 Christenings - one in Darley Abbey on 4.12.1834 and one in the Wesleyan Methodist Church in Derby on 4.1.1835. In the 1841 census he lived at 3 River Street, Derby. In 1851 at 37 Cockpit Hill, Derby He married Hannah BAKER 14.5.1853 at St Alkmunds Church, Derby. They had a daughter Eunice Mathewana COPE 11.1.1860. But by the 1861 census he has disappeared off the face of the earth - I just cannot find him anywhere. His wife and child are living with her parents at 50 Abbey Street by then. Any ideas for me to follow? Maureen Allen

Hello Pat, There is a death registration on the GRO for a Richard GREAVES in the September qtr 1844 at Ashton under Lyne reg district, vol 20, page 29 who sounds a likely candidate for Sarah's presumed father. Lots of death registrations for a Mary GREAVES at Ashton under Lyne district between 1841 and 1851. However, no luck with your Sarah Ann's baptism I'm afraid. Have you looked at the actual parish registers of Ashton under Lyne for baptisms of children to a Richard GREAVES in the relevant timescale? The 1861 census shows that Sarah HAGUE's birthplace was Ashton under Lyne. Janet Hello I would like to find the Baptism of my GG Grandmother SARAH ANN GREAVES who was supposed to have born in Limehurst, Oldham, Lancashire around 1821. Her father was RICHARD GREAVES. I think her parents were RICHARD & MARY GREAVES who are living at Duncan Street, Ashton under Lyne in 1841 Census.I can't find any more about them. I obtained a Death Certificate for a Richard Greaves who died in 1846 in Manchester but it was not him.Could SARAH ANN GREAVES and her father have been born in Derbyshire and not Oldham? Pat

> transcribed as Benjamin Ballard so with Sarah's surname written as Bulcach > on the 1871 Census, who knows how her surname may have been spelt in the > marriage or burial records. Bullas maybe! I've researched that exact line and I know one of the branches had a name change to Bullas along the way. I've PM'd you Christine, we might have luck yet. Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬

Hello Pat Sarah Ann GREAVES appears not to have been baptised at Glossop - in fact there are no GREAVES in that time period. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

Hello I would like to find the Baptism of my GG Grandmother SARAH ANN GREAVES who was supposed to have born in Limehurst, Oldham, Lancashire around 1821. Her father was RICHARD GREAVES. I know that SARAH ANN married HENRY LOWDEN FOWLER on 14 March 1841 at St Michael's Church, Ashton under Lyne and her father Richard was stated to be a Glassblower. They were living at House 3, Charlestown, Whitfield, Glossop, Derbyshire in the 1841 Census. They were named as Henry & Sarah LOWDIN on that Census.They must have split up around 1842 as SARAH ANN had a daughter ALICE ANN to Thomas Hague in August 1843 and she was living with Thomas in Howard Court, Ashton under Lyne. They married in August 1846 at St Michael's Church, Ashton under Lyne. Her father at that time was stated to be a Baker.In the 1851 Census SARAH ANN and THOMAS HAGUE were still living at Howard Court, Ashton under Lyne with Alice Ann and son John William.Thomas Hague's parents were also living in Howard Court but at another house.I have found everything else about Sarah Ann Greaves including her death and burial in 1870 in Ashton under Lyne but just cannot find her Baptism.I also cannot find a Baptism for her father.I think her parents were RICHARD & MARY GREAVES who are living at Duncan Street, Ashton under Lyne in 1841 Census.I can't find any more about them. I obtained a Death Certificate for a Richard Greaves who died in 1846 in Manchester but it was not him.Could SARAH ANN GREAVES and her father have been born in Derbyshire and not Oldham? Pat

Annette might these be your George and Elizabeth? 1841 Census George Hartley and Elizabeth Hartley living in Worksop, Notts.  Both say born outside the county.  Chesterfield is only abt 20miles from Worksop. Ref - HO107  Piece 852. Folio 9/46 Page 6 1851 Census George Hulley (Hartley) aged 59 - born Dronfield Derbyshire (in Chesterfield district) Elizabeth Hartley - wife - aged 52 born Eckington, Derbyshire Living in Low Town Lane, Worksop, Nottinghamshire.  He is listed as an agric lab who is blind Ref - HO107 Piece 2122 Folio 117 Page 22 1861 Census Elizabeth is a widow boarding in the house of George and Harriet Smith at ...Lodge, Mill Lane,  Worksop Ref  - RG9 Piece 2419  Folio 54 Page 19 I have found a burial for a George Hartley at Worksop St Mary (Priory)  - 27th May 1859 - the age is a bit as they have him listed as 77  but this might be a transcription error.  There is also a burial for Elizabeth Hartley in the same place -  1st December 1867 aged 82 - again the ages are a bit out but they look a possible for the George and Elizabeth in the censuses.  Their ages vary between the censuses so age might need to be taken with caution. hope this might help Sue in Newark ----- Ori ginal Message ----- From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 0:42 Subject: [DBY] Bringing home the lost and strayed-George HARTLEY Hi everyone, George HARTLEY married Mary WILCOCKSON on 21 Nov 1801 in Chesterfield, Dby Mary was baptised 22 Sep 1782 in Old Brampton and was buried there on 27 Jun 1809. I do not have George's  birth/baptism or death, their four children were baptised in St Mary's Chesterfield (crooked spire), their fourth child Martha (my 2 x gr grandmother) was born 25 Nov 1807 in Walton and baptised in St Mary's, Chesterfield on 6 Jan 1808. After Mary's death George married Elizabeth WATTS 15 Jan 1810 in Chesterfield, they had two children both baptised in Chesterfield in 1811 and 1813. I have searched for 25 years for George, have found many George HARTLEYS north of the border around Sheffield, but, is one of them my George?, of course I have checked all George HARTLEY deaths in and around Chesterfield, he does not seem to appear on the 1841 Census or later ones. His son George born 5 Feb 1811 moved to London where he married, had children and died in 1887. Any help, suggestions greatly received, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, thanks to Neil further school admission records have been added to the Yesterdays site. Google Yesterdays Journey if the link below does not work. The latest schools are Sandiacre Sawley Jnrs Scarclife and Upper Langwith Over Haddon Padfield Peak Dale We have pupils from across the country including Berwick upon Tweed, the IOM, Travellers Show, Calais, though not certain if this is an area rather than the French town, America and all points of the compass almost for there are no Irish or Welsh connections in this batch. The Scottish clan can be found under Sandiacre and Pentrich. So did your ancestors come from or move to those areas. Of course there are hundreds of Derbyshire lads and lasses named with DOB's. Also Wills for Glossop Tideswell Taddington Snelston Scropton Alfreton Have fun mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hello Rita Thanks very much for the info on Sutton cum Duckmanton. Joseph Twibell was a farmer of 200 acres in Sutton cum Duckmanton on the 1871 Census and listed on the Census before their address of Spring Wood is Wood Nook, Copices and Sutton Village. After Spring Wood is Sutton Pitt and then Park Side. Most of the residents seem to be farmers so I take it they were living just on the outskirts of Sutton cum Duckmanton, although I don't know the area. I have had a look at the burials and marriages after 1871 in Sutton cum Duckmanton for Sarah Jane Bullock but drawn a blank. She is a mystery! I did eventually find her father Benjamin's death in Sheffield transcribed as Benjamin Ballard so with Sarah's surname written as Bulcach on the 1871 Census, who knows how her surname may have been spelt in the marriage or burial records. Christine -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Effnert Sent: 29 December 2012 14:00 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Bringing home the lost and strayed Am 29.12.2012 14:29, schrieb Christine Simpson: > Hi All > > > > Wonder if anyone can help with two of my lost ancestors for whom I've > been searching for many years. They are brother and sister, Samuel > Bullock and Sarah Jane Bullock, both born Derbyshire, children of my > 3x great grandfather. > > > > Samuel Bullock is last seen on the 1881 Census living at 20 Bertha > Street, Sheffield, with his sister Mary Ann Twibell and her family. > His age is given as 41 but he was born 9 September 1837 at > Holymoorside, Brampton, Derbyshire. > > > > Sarah JaneBullock is last seen on the 1871 Census living at Spring > Wood, Sutton cum Duckmanton, Derbyshire also living with her sister, > Mary Ann Twibell and family. Her name is transcribed as Sarah Bulcach > 24 dom serv Unm B. Holeymoorside > > > > The Twibells were in Sheffield by 1881 with Samuel lodging with them > but I can find no evidence of his death in Sheffield nor can I find a marriage or > death for Sarah Jane. Any help to find what happened to these ancestors > of mine would be much appreciated! > > > > On the other hand I have just remembered, my mother mentioned living > in Spring Wood as a child and that was betrween Arwright and > Duckmantion, so they might be 2 different places. I have a photo of a > little row of houses where they lived....(somewhere) but I will try > and fish it out if you think that is the one. This would be in the > early 20th Cebtury. Rita > > > > Christine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.930 / Virendatenbank: 2637.1.1/5495 - Ausgabedatum: > 12/29/12 08:33:00 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

June Spooner wrote: > Hi > > I am returning to the genealogy after a break for a year or two and > I am finding so many changes. I have tried the familysearch.org > list and now find that it is very different. Does anyone have any > idea the name of the link that used to show the various bmd lists > for free check-ups and also showed the parents of the person i.e > christenings etc., along with the batch numbers. Are you looking for the old IGI? If so, go to familysearch then scroll down to Collections. You'll find it there. The extractions and patron submissions are in different databases which makes it easier to find the more reliable data. The old IGI site is now totally defunct. All links now go to the new familysearch site. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk