Hello folk, Does anyone know? Carolyn McCartney has sent me a query I can't answer. She has a photo of a tombstone in Derbyshire with a very well carved, superimposed, capital letters N and I at the top. What does this mean? Carolyn thinks the people buried were staunch Wesleyan Methodists. All I can think of is "Jesus of Nazareth" Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England

Hi list, the Peak Forest again PEAK FOREST BURIALS 1853 Jul -Dec 1 Jul 1853 Harriet LOMAS Peak Forest 1 27 Aug 1853 John FLETCHER Peak Forest 80 4 Nov 1853 Grace CLAYTON Peak Forest 12 6 Nov 1853 James CLAYTON Peak Forest 6 11 Nov 1853 Mary Jane BARNSLEY Peak Forest 3 13 Nov 1853 Hannah FLETCHER Peak Forest 20 20 Nov 1853 Mary KEELING New Mill 37 23 Nov 1853 Marina FLETCHER Peak Forest 3 29 Nov 1853 Thomas HILL Peak Forest 3 11 Dec 1853 Mary HILL Peak Forest inf 18 Dec 1853 Martha WAGSTAFFE Peak Forest 43 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi list, a bit more from Mellor. This is a list of persons "liable to serve" as Overseers of Mellor 15 Mar. 1826 Moses HADFIELD Thomas MOULT Emanuel MOULT George HUDSON Thomas WALLER James KELSALL William HAMBLETON Samuel THORNLEY Jno POTT Thomas STANNEY mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi derbysledgers, to Norbury NORBURY BURIALS 1871 plus 26 Mar 1871 Thomas PEGG Roston 79 30 Apr 1871 Ellen BURTON ? Roston 78 19 Aug 1871 Thomas GORSE Norbury 74 13 Dec 1871 William YEOMANS Roston 75 plus 16 Feb 1873 Ann SHERLOCK Roston Common 91 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Thanks Mike; As several generations of my direct HIBBERT/HIBBERD ancestors worked at Chatsworth (primarily as Gamekeepers), this mini series sounds interesting, and we will most certainly wait with baited breath until it airs in Australia. If the past is any indication, it could be 1 or 2 years. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike spencer Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 9:28 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] CHATSWORTH for those with Edensor ancestors watch CHATSWORTH next week on BBC 1 . Should get a nice view of the village, from what I saw of the preview.. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the reminder, Anne. However long I gazed at that violin, I couldn't convince myself it wasn't real. . . Unfortunately, I have no links with Chatsworth, but my uncle's GF, Sidney LAIT, was Clerk to the Chatsworth Estate, and he and his wife, Harriette [ADDISON], were buried at Edensor. They died in May and November 1895, respectively. Interestingly, in view of Joseph PAXTON's involvement with the Great Exhibition,   Harriette's father, John, was a Globe Maker and the Malby firm of Globe Makers produced    'a strikingly large reissue of John Addison’s 1825 terrestrial globe at about 36 inches in  diameter (92 cm) for the Great Exhibition.' (Thanks to my cartographer brother, Roger, for pointing me towards the globemaker website, which produced this quote)   Kind regards Joy > I was so impressed with the painting of > the violin on the back of one of the bedroom doors - it has stuck with me > all these years. I must go back one of these days. > > Anne in Hamilton, Ontario

Hello, Go to Google, click to 'Images', type in violin door chatsworth house and click on Search.... and there's lots of pictures of the trompe d'oeil picture on the door at Chatsworth I think you were taliking about? Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England

I remember the same reaction to the painting of the violin. Will try and catch the shows when they come on. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE" <granne@cogeco.ca> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [DBY] CHATSWORTH > Episode 2 was excellent as well and shows scenes of Bakewell and the > roundabout at Baslow. It also covered the Chatsworth Horse Trails and the > annual flower show. Well worth watching! > My one and only visit to Chatsworth was when I was about 12 - long before > there was a shop and a farm market. I was so impressed with the painting > of > the violin on the back of one of the bedroom doors - it has stuck with me > all these years. I must go back one of these days. > > Anne in Hamilton, Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: Len Heyward > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:44 AM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] CHATSWORTH > > Thanks Mike; > > As several generations of my direct HIBBERT/HIBBERD ancestors worked at > Chatsworth (primarily as Gamekeepers), this mini series sounds > interesting, > and we will most certainly wait with baited breath until it airs in > Australia. If the past is any indication, it could be 1 or 2 years. > > Regards > > Len Heyward > > > -----Original Message----- > From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of mike spencer > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 9:28 AM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] CHATSWORTH > > for those with Edensor ancestors watch CHATSWORTH next week on BBC 1 . > Should get a nice view of the village, from what I saw of the preview.. > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eric, as far as I can tell, it was common practice for people to rent more than one pewspace if they could afford to - for use of other family members, servants, tenants. Even people who were only comfortably off, not rich, like the RENSHAWs of Old Brampton near Chesterfield, might have multiple pews (1707 Pew List held at DRO). Regards Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 21 January 2013 09:39, Eric Millward <bruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Marjorie, > > Why would he want separate pews for each property he owned? He could > only sit in one of them! I know he was a philanthropist but paying pew > rent for his tenants seems a little over the top. Just a thought. > > Regards > > Eric Millward > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know what you mean Joy - guess it had a profound effect on a lot of us. I have no links with Chatsworth either but I loved the place. What I found interesting in the programme was the surnames as they introduced staff - same names show up on Derbysgen all the time like Storer and Moseley. I have Moseley's in my family who moved to Wales. And they all talk like my relatives! Anne -----Original Message----- From: Joy Hungerford Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:22 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] CHATSWORTH Thanks for the reminder, Anne. However long I gazed at that violin, I couldn't convince myself it wasn't real. . . Unfortunately, I have no links with Chatsworth, but my uncle's GF, Sidney LAIT, was Clerk to the Chatsworth Estate, and he and his wife, Harriette [ADDISON], were buried at Edensor. They died in May and November 1895, respectively. Interestingly, in view of Joseph PAXTON's involvement with the Great Exhibition, Harriette's father, John, was a Globe Maker and the Malby firm of Globe Makers produced 'a strikingly large reissue of John Addison’s 1825 terrestrial globe at about 36 inches in diameter (92 cm) for the Great Exhibition.' (Thanks to my cartographer brother, Roger, for pointing me towards the globemaker website, which produced this quote) Kind regards Joy > I was so impressed with the painting of > the violin on the back of one of the bedroom doors - it has stuck with me > all these years. I must go back one of these days. > > Anne in Hamilton, Ontario ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too have many gamekeepers from Chatsworth in my family, mostly PUNCHABYs and EVANS, but I do have John Punchaby marrying an Elizabeth HIBBERT in 1851...any relation? Linda On 21 January 2013 09:44, Len Heyward <lhe6246@bigpond.com> wrote: > Thanks Mike; > > As several generations of my direct HIBBERT/HIBBERD ancestors worked at > Chatsworth (primarily as Gamekeepers), this mini series sounds interesting, > and we will most certainly wait with baited breath until it airs in > Australia. If the past is any indication, it could be 1 or 2 years. > > Regards > > Len Heyward > > > -----Original Message----- > From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of mike spencer > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 9:28 AM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] CHATSWORTH > > for those with Edensor ancestors watch CHATSWORTH next week on BBC 1 . > Should get a nice view of the village, from what I saw of the preview.. > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Check out my Family Tree at www.tribalpages.com/tribes/lindak53

That's the one - I swear you could take it off the door! Anne -----Original Message----- From: John Palmer Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:36 AM To: Martin ; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] CHATSWORTH Hello, Go to Google, click to 'Images', type in violin door chatsworth house and click on Search.... and there's lots of pictures of the trompe d'oeil picture on the door at Chatsworth I think you were taliking about? Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marjorie, Why would he want separate pews for each property he owned? He could only sit in one of them! I know he was a philanthropist but paying pew rent for his tenants seems a little over the top. Just a thought. Regards Eric Millward

Episode 2 was excellent as well and shows scenes of Bakewell and the roundabout at Baslow. It also covered the Chatsworth Horse Trails and the annual flower show. Well worth watching! My one and only visit to Chatsworth was when I was about 12 - long before there was a shop and a farm market. I was so impressed with the painting of the violin on the back of one of the bedroom doors - it has stuck with me all these years. I must go back one of these days. Anne in Hamilton, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Len Heyward Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:44 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] CHATSWORTH Thanks Mike; As several generations of my direct HIBBERT/HIBBERD ancestors worked at Chatsworth (primarily as Gamekeepers), this mini series sounds interesting, and we will most certainly wait with baited breath until it airs in Australia. If the past is any indication, it could be 1 or 2 years. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike spencer Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 9:28 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] CHATSWORTH for those with Edensor ancestors watch CHATSWORTH next week on BBC 1 . Should get a nice view of the village, from what I saw of the preview.. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rose Kelland writes: Derby Mercury Wednesday 01 February 1865 The Heavy Fall of Snow A correspondent, writing from Wirksworth, says:- “On Thursday night, about half past twelve o’clock, a man named NAYLOR, of Godfreyhole Wirksworth, was found asleep in the snow near the Green Man public house, Wirksworth. He was worse for liquour, and was found with his face to the ground; he must have been suffocated before morning had he remained undiscovered. Fortunately a neighbour, who was passing, noticed him, and took him home.” Could this be he? Edward NAYLOR aged 34 in 1865: See www.wirksworth.org.uk/C71-10.htm#Cn05a The Green Man was in the middle of Wirksworth, see www.wirksworth.org.uk/B87-PUBS.htm It was a good mile walk then across some exposed moorland from Wirksworth to Godfreyhole. Good job he passed out in Wirksworth town where he was likely to be found! Wonder who the good neighbour was? If this is the right man, he lived another 36 years at least, see www.wirksworth.org.uk/C01-06.htm#Cn12a Does anyone claim him in their family tree? If so please contact me and I will write up a short webpage about him. A photo would be great. Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

for those with Edensor ancestors watch CHATSWORTH next week on BBC 1 . Should get a nice view of the village, from what I saw of the preview.. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Derby Mercury Wednesday 01 February 1865 The Bakewell Mail Snow Bound The snow storm of Friday last will be long remembered in this neighbourhood. Seldom during the last few years has snow fallen in this neighbourhood in such quantities, as to impede the traffic even in the less frequented roads leading from Sheffield. Several of the roads out of the town have been almost “snowed up,” and in the outskirts considerable difficulty was experienced by pedestrians in making their way. The road from Sheffield to Owler Bar was in several places rendered impassable, and two unusual occurrences transpired upon it. The first was the complete stoppage of the Bakewell mail coach. The mail, which was driven by Mr. SIMS, left Bakewell at the usual time, half-past four, and up to Owler Bar, met with no unusual stoppage. The latter place was reached at the proper time – a little after six o’clock; and here four fresh horses were placed in the coach. Here the first difficulties were experienced, for in a distance of a few yards a very large snow drift, of a considerable length and about seven feet in depth, was encountered. The horses sank in it, and for above an hour and a half efforts were made to clear the way. At last the road was cleared, and the horses, now almost exhausted with their efforts, got away again; but in a short time another, hardly less formidable, drift was encountered, at a place known as Moorbeck’s farm. Four men were engaged in clearing the snow away, but a stoppage of some duration had to be endured before the coach could be got again under weigh (as written!). At last perseverance and hard labour again got her majesty’s mails going, and a further effort to reach Sheffield was made, but the difficulties of the road were not yet overcome, for before reaching Totley Pike, about a mile from Owler Bar, a tremendous drift, above 40 yards in length, and seven or eight feet in depth, was got into. Here the driver, Mr SIMS was thrown off the box into the snow, and one of the horses fell on the top of him. Great difficulty was experienced in getting the driver and horse clear, for they had to be dug out of the snow, but at last it was done. All hopes to extricate the coach were now given up, it was almost completely buried, and it was decided to leave it, at least for a time, to its fate. Mr SIMS, who had suffered considerably by his fall and the weight of the horse on the top of him, managed to walk down to the “Waggon and Horses”, some distance off, where he procured a horse and conveyed the mails to Sheffield, arriving at the Post Office at half-past twelve! Persons were left in charge of the discarded coach, and on Friday afternoon it was brought to Sheffield. On Saturday, men were engaged in clearing the roads, in order that the traffic might be carried on, but it was decided not to run the coach on that day, and the mails were conveyed in a dog-cart. The second stoppage to which we allude occurred to a cab belonging to Mr MITCHELL, Angel Street. It also left Bakewell early in the day, having Mr WILD, manager of the Sheffield and Rotherham Bank, and two other gentlemen inside. Upon reaching Owler Bar it got into a snow drift, which took the horses up to their necks, and almost buried the cab. Efforts to get clear of the “difficulty” were of course made, but it was not until considerable time was spent that the journey could be resumed, and Sheffield was not reached until a late hour. The stoppages were unaccompanied, fortunately, with any very serious results. Mr SIMS was rather severely shaken by his fall, and the driver of the cab also suffered a little in the same way. Her Majesty's Mail delivered at all costs!! Yay for Mr Sims! -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

I was researching some BDM's in www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk and as always scan the rest of the page for any interesting snippets and thought I'd share this topical bit with you! (The Bakewell Mail snowbound in seperate email) Derby Mercury Wednesday 01 February 1865 The Heavy Fall of Snow After a few weeks of most enjoyable weather, winter has come upon us with unusual severity, and accompanied by a fall of snow much as we have not had for eight or nine years. It was drifted by the wind on Thursday night as it fell, presenting next day fantastic and beautiful forms. On Sunday the barometer went down indicating another fall, which occurred at night, making together in sheltered places, a depth of nine inches, enough, no doubt, when it melts to supply the still deficient springs. The thermometer at night has varied from 36 deg. to 12 deg., a cold seldom reached. We speak of the town, for no doubt in exposed situations in the country we shall hear of a much lower temperature. Such was the calmness of the air on Sunday night that we measured two inches of snow resting on the fine point of a palisade. In various parts of the district the drifts have been unusually heavy and deep, and in many places roads became impassable. In Derby the snow somewhat impeded the traffic in bye streets, but in the principal thoroughfares it was promptly removed. We are informed by the Borough Surveyor that the number of loads of snow removed from the streets in the borough, by the Local Board of Health, up to Tuesday evening, was 1216. It followed, of course, as a sine qua non, that the Town Hall Clock during the severity of the weather refused to perform its functions. Our Matlock correspondent writes: - “One of the heaviest falls of snow which has visited this neighbourhood for some years commenced early on Thursday morning, and continued till late on Friday. It has made the roads nearly impassable, the snow being, in some places, from a yard to two yards deep. A correspondent, writing from Wirksworth, says:- “On Thursday night, about half past twelve o’clock, a man named NAYLOR, of Godfreyhole Wirksworth, was found asleep in the snow near the Green Man public house, Wirksworth. He was worse for liquour, and was found with his face to the ground; he must have been suffocated before morning had he remained undiscovered. Fortunately a neighbour, who was passing, noticed him, and took him home.” -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Hi list, now to Norbury, the good news is I've found John SMITH! NORBURY BURIALS 1870 6 Mar 1870 John CLARK Roston 39 28 Apr 1870 Josiah MIDDLETON Roston 69 21 Jun 1870 Mary PAKEMAN Norbury 82 5 Jul 1870 Frances ? MASKREY Norbury 80 1 Nov 1870 Henry William SAMPSON Norbury 19 25 Dec 1870 John SMITH Roston 24 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi 'geners, more from OsbyAsh. OSMASTON BY ASHBOURNE BURIALS 1845 17 Feb 1845 Elizabeth HOON The Pastures, Osmaston 87 14 Jun 1845 Alice TOMLINSON Osmaston 54 4 Aug 1845 William HODGKINSON Brassington 73 12 Sep 1845 William OAKDEN Bradley 76 30 Sep 1845 Dorothy HARRISON Yeldersley 68 18 Oct 1845 Ann ALLSOP Yeldersley 52? 11 Dec 1845 Elizabeth WYBERLEY Osmaston 71 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm