Hello Charani, Thank you for the information. So, it doesn't seem so unusual for a child to be baptised around the time of the death of a parent. Will keep searching. Many thanks Carole Noden, Kent UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Noden" <jderek@noden99.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [DBY] Richard CROMPTON - Glossop 1819-1848 > Noden wrote: > >> Strangely, two of his children were baptised in Parish Church, Glossop on >> 30th January 1848 - three days after he died! >> 1.Can someone tell me why this might have happened so soon after their >> father's death? > > Today, 30 Jan, in 1848 was a Sunday when many/most baptisms took place. > It was most likely the baptisms were already arranged. > > I had a similar situation with a family. It was because the father was a > non conformist and the mother wasn't of the same persuasion. So, as soon > as he'd been buried, she took the first opportunity to have the children, > in her eyes, properly baptised in the right church. I didn't know he was > even married until he was buried! > > On more than one occasion, I've seen the burial of a parent take place on > the same day as the baptism of the child. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk >

Noden wrote: > Strangely, two of his children were baptised in Parish Church, Glossop on > 30th January 1848 - three days after he died! > 1.Can someone tell me why this might have happened so soon after their > father's death? Today, 30 Jan, in 1848 was a Sunday when many/most baptisms took place. It was most likely the baptisms were already arranged. I had a similar situation with a family. It was because the father was a non conformist and the mother wasn't of the same persuasion. So, as soon as he'd been buried, she took the first opportunity to have the children, in her eyes, properly baptised in the right church. I didn't know he was even married until he was buried! On more than one occasion, I've seen the burial of a parent take place on the same day as the baptism of the child. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hello Carole Glossop early registers are on my website and they too give Richard`s birth place as Torside. I have a CD of the MIs for Hayfield but there are no CROMPTONS mentioned. I am sure someone who knows Glossop will tell you where Torside is. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

I can't help with Richard CROMPTON's burial I'm afraid but can supply a couple of general points. I think the biggest employer at Torside in 1819 would have been Vale House Mill (cotton). I don't think there was paper making there. Otherwise people would be employed in farming. The area is underneath the Longdendale reservoirs now. Did Richard actually die at Hayfield or in Hayfield registration district (which includes Glossop). There was paper making in the Strines/New Mills/Hayfield area but there was also paper making at Turn Lee Mills in Whitfield township of Glossop. As a guess, the baptisms may have happened because of involvement with the church for the funeral and the vicar realising that the children hadn't been baptised. Graham

Hello listers, I'm back after an absence due to researching other branches of my husband's family tree. I still haven't found the burial place of Richard CROMPTON baptised 1819 at Glossop. On IGI his place of birth is given as Torside. Death certificate says he died on 27th January 1848 at Hayfield, age 28. Cause of death: fever not certified. His occupation was Papermaker. His father was John CROMPTON, also a Papermaker and his mother Sarah (?TAYLOR). He married Mary CASTLE at All Saints, Marple in 1840 I have found the burial of his wife, Mary in 1891, age 74, of Dinting Lane, and some of their family at Glossop Cemetery but I have searched and can't find him. From 1851 census till her death in 1891 Mary lived at Dinting. In 1841 census he was living at Chapel en le Frith, papermaker, born this county. His surname is transcribed as CRAMPTON. I have found a marriage for John CRAMPTON and Sarah TAYLOR at Glossop in 1815. Are these his parents?. His child Ann, was born in Spain in 1844 and baptised at Villalgo and was also was baptised at Glossop in 1848. I believe that Richard and his wife went to Spain to be involved in the setting up of a papermaking factory. As you can see the family were in the Glossop area for quite a while. Strangely, two of his children were baptised in Parish Church, Glossop on 30th January 1848 - three days after he died! 1.Can someone tell me why this might have happened so soon after their father's death? 2. Can someone tell me anything about Torside? Was there a papermill in that area at this time? 3. Does anyone have a clue as to where Richard might be buried? Many thanks for reading my posting, Carole Noden, Kent, UK

Hi list, now to Ashbourne. ASHBOURNE ST OSWALD BURIALS 1831 Nov-Dec 14 Nov 1831 Jervas HOWARD St John Street 68 28 Nov 1831 Frances ROBINSON Kniveton 68 29 Nov 1831 William BLORE Clifton 1 30 Nov 1831 George HOLLIS Clifton 1 7 Dec 1831 Elizabeth BARTON St John Street 29 12 Dec 1831 Thomas ROBINSON Pig Market 73 13 Dec 1831 Harriet SALT Marples Yard 12 21 Dec 1831 Anne KEELING Mayfield 24 21 Dec 1831 John MUMFORD Sturston Lane inf 29 Dec 1831 Catherine SCOTHORN Bridge Gate inf mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hi revolutionaries, something in the air ? PENTRICH BURIALS 1842 1 Jan 1842 Mary GODBER Greenwich 1 3 Feb 1842 Anthony MARTIN Butterly 27 8 Feb 1842 Mary Ann BLOUNT Pentrich Lane 5 15 Feb 1842 Charles WOOD Golden Valley 4 16 Feb 1842 Elizabeth BOOTH Pentrich 70 16 Feb 1842 Elizabeth Ann BOOTH Pentrich 7 20 Feb 1842 George GODBER Pentrich 3 1 Mar 1842 James William BLOUNT Pentrich 3 6 Mar 1842 Ellen TURNER Lowes Hill 2 25 Mar 1842 Alfred ARGYLE Heage 2 7 Apr 1842 Harriet WILSON Bull Bridge Marble Works 2 15 Apr 1842 Jonathan BRADLEY Bull Bridge Marble Works 6 21 Apr 1842 Mary WHYSALL Belper 37 3 May 1842 Elizabeth FLETCHER Pentrich 82 19 Jun 1842 Hannah STREET Golden Valley 83 7 Sep 1842 George TOPHAM Pentrich inf 2 Oct 1842 Ann STOCKS Hartshay 64 3 Nov 1842 William TURTON Ripley 80 9 Nov 1842 Elizabeth BAGGULEY Heage 29 27 Nov 1842 Thomas HUNT Codnor Park 21 27 Nov 1842 Martha COOPER Golden Valley 11 11 Dec 1842 Hannah FRISBY Swanwick 35 25 Dec 1842 Samuel BOOTH Hartshay 78 25 Dec 1842 Mary STOCKS Hartshay 52 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

You might try Calow. I think I've seen that referred to as Kailey but I could be wrong. Pete -----Original Message----- From: jimcutts Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:00 PM To: Derbysgen@Rootsweb.Com Subject: [DBY] Kailey Green Hello Everyone I wonder if anyone can identify where Kailey Green is. I have a Herbert Cutts in the 1901 Census who states place of birth as being Kailey Green, Derbyshire. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe answering myself Could it be Calow? GENUKI states a.. This place-name is pronounced locally as 'Kay-low'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimcutts" <jimcutts@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Derbysgen@Rootsweb.Com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [DBY] Kailey Green > Hello Everyone > > I wonder if anyone can identify where Kailey Green is. I have a Herbert > Cutts in the 1901 Census who states place of birth as being Kailey Green, > Derbyshire. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone I wonder if anyone can identify where Kailey Green is. I have a Herbert Cutts in the 1901 Census who states place of birth as being Kailey Green, Derbyshire.

Thank you for the HOLLINGSWORTH Jon. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

Hi List, 1881 Naomi Eliza Higton jul 10 age 20 William HOLLINGSWORTH (wingfield park) jul 25 age 69 Benjamin FROST aug 25 age 81 Joseph MARRIOTT sep 6 age 58 John HILL (oakenthrope) oct 6 age 67 Walter HEWITT nov 29 age 3 years 9 months (drowned in wetton's well 26 nov) Mary Emma WALTERS dec 7 age infant Keren HILL dec 14 age 51 1882 Sarah Ann HAWKSLEY jan 11 age 20 Richard SMITHURST jan 18 age 71 Ernest HAWKSLEY jan 24 age 9 months William LINEKER jan 25 age 40 thomas HOPKINSON feb 22 age 75 george CARLIN feb 26 age 45 Samuel WATERALL mar 3 age 82 Alice HAWKSLEY (oakenthorpe) mar 25 age 55 -- My family tree - RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: C A N T R I L L http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=astridhq

Whilst looking through an early Stockport St Mary register I came across Dby strays Burials 20 May 1591 John THORNILEY of Glossop p. 30 Jun 1595 Wife of John THORNILEY of Ludworth 25 Jan 1602/3 The wife of John als Jynekin HIGGENBOTHAM of Glossop p. 7 Aug 1604 George BREDBURY son of Lawrence of Glossop p. [17 Aug 1610 George RADCLIFF of Mellor in the Countie of Darbie Gent was slayne in the Churchgate, Stockport the 17th daye and buried at Mellor] 3 May 1614 A dau of George WOODS of Ludworth Baptism 11 Jan 1606/7 Henrye KIRKE son of George of the Chappell parish in le Frithe best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

Back after being absent for quite some time. I am trying to find where some family members are buried Thomas DRING and wife Sarah Ann were living in Codnor in 1891 & 1901 in 1911 they were in Heanor, Thomas was a Miner the 1911 census says they has 14 children 6 living The two oldest Harriet Ellen & Elizabeth Ann I believe died in Codnor, I have searched the available cemetery records that the LDS library has without finding where the 8 deceased children are buried, FreeBMD has many deaths of children in the Basford District, but it is impossible to say whose they are. I have identified 8 of the 14 children, but would like to find the othe 6 I understand that the Codnor church burial ground was full by the 1870's. Any help in locating where this family buried their dead who be greatly appreciated Frank Wattleworth born 1926 Manchester England now in USA

Hi Peter Try posting on the Facebook page for Beresford Family History http://www.facebook.com/BeresfordFamilySociety I am a member of the society and am sure that Peter the research officer will have a definate answer to your question Hope this helps Regards Paul Taylor On 23/01/2013 4:21 PM, Peter Patilla wrote: > Afternoon all > A query on one of my Lea Mills men in WWI > I have John H Beresford, served 3rd Batt Norfolk Reg 14298. He joined up 16/02/17 aged 20. (Lea Mills records) > The best fit in the census is John Henry Beresford born c 1899 Wirksworth son of Albert & Annie but obviously this is speculative at present > I have little on this man and would like a little more – if he belongs on anyone's history I would love to know more > > Also, I have in my notes from the late George Wigglesworth that Sergt William Broomhead of Notts & Derby /Royal Lancashire regiments was awarded the Military Medal. George was fairly meticulous in his research but I cannot find any mention in the records of this. > Military Medals are a problem ! > > Regards > Peter > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Afternoon all A query on one of my Lea Mills men in WWI I have John H Beresford, served 3rd Batt Norfolk Reg 14298. He joined up 16/02/17 aged 20. (Lea Mills records) The best fit in the census is John Henry Beresford born c 1899 Wirksworth son of Albert & Annie but obviously this is speculative at present I have little on this man and would like a little more – if he belongs on anyone's history I would love to know more Also, I have in my notes from the late George Wigglesworth that Sergt William Broomhead of Notts & Derby /Royal Lancashire regiments was awarded the Military Medal. George was fairly meticulous in his research but I cannot find any mention in the records of this. Military Medals are a problem ! Regards Peter

Marjorie, This morning I spoke to a friend who lives at Strawberry Hill which is at the (old) Derbyshire end of Roman Bridge and used to be called Upper Windy Bottom Farm. He told me that it was occupied by Samuel OLDKNOW's land agent at the time. Your explanation seems to be correct. Eric

Hi peter - I have John Henry Beresford in my tree - he was my great grandfather born 1848. I have his parents as Henry Beresford and Rachel Fearn but this may be wrong. He had a son also named John Henry who was born in 1880 so it may be the one you are looking at. His mother was Harriett Haynes. I keep meaning to join the Beresford Society as they have the entire tree confirmed. Let me know if you need any more help. Anne PS I have a photo! -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:21 AM To: Derbysgen Derbyshire Subject: [DBY] John H Beresford & William Broomhead Afternoon all A query on one of my Lea Mills men in WWI I have John H Beresford, served 3rd Batt Norfolk Reg 14298. He joined up 16/02/17 aged 20. (Lea Mills records) The best fit in the census is John Henry Beresford born c 1899 Wirksworth son of Albert & Annie but obviously this is speculative at present I have little on this man and would like a little more – if he belongs on anyone's history I would love to know more Also, I have in my notes from the late George Wigglesworth that Sergt William Broomhead of Notts & Derby /Royal Lancashire regiments was awarded the Military Medal. George was fairly meticulous in his research but I cannot find any mention in the records of this. Military Medals are a problem ! Regards Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 Hello to the list I am trying to find a will for William POPE the date given is 1508 and he is of Shirley Aileen

Hello Eric The reason I thought all the properties belonged to Sam OLDKNOW is because in all I have read about the period and area I have not come across another one. I have just looked at Cheshire Registers on FMP and he is the only Marple one mentioned. Disappointingly his will wasn`t there. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com