Hi I am new to this list so posting my interests Joseph Hall and Mally/Molly/Mary SIKES marr Glossop 1790 They had a number of children baptised 1793 - 1805 at St Mary's Independent Glossop - they were living at Rowarth I also have a loose end Mary SHEPLEY otp married George BOWKER of the parish of Manchester at Glossop 1764. Have not found Mary any further back I am also at a much earlier time descended from the STAFFORDs of Eyam Bob

Hi Joy Are you using Ancestry or another supplier? On Ancestry, use old search, in advanced search enter the address in the keyword box If it does not come up try abbreviating the Street to St or Road to Rd if still no hits remove parts of the address to get pertinent hits, if your house number does not pop up try no number and pick one close by in the enumerators summaries In 1911 the enumerator did a street listing, (the RG78) they are called the enumerators summaries on Ancestry They will list the houses around and about your target As Phyllis married as a BIRCH it suggests she was not adopted, otherwise who would have married as POUNTAIN surely? This appears to back up your theroy it was her England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Phyllis Mary Roddis Name: Phyllis Mary Roddis Birth Date: 15 Sep 1906 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1970 Age at Death: 63 Registration district: Chesterfield Inferred County: Derbyshire Volume: 3a Page: 274 If you can't find the address let us know and we can search for you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/04/2013 18:42, Joy Hungerford wrote: > I made some enquiries a while ago about Phyllis Mary BIRCH, a 4-year-old niece, living with > my GU, Benjamin Henry POUNTAIN, in Chesterfield, in 1911. I suspect that she was the niece of his wife, > Margaret [JONES], who was born in Flintshire. Phyllis was born in Cheshire and, as I've found a marriage > (to George R RODDIS in 1942) and three children, 1942, 1946 and 1947, all events in Chesterfield, I wonder > if Phyllis was adopted or 'adopted' by Ben and Margaret. > > I'm no nearer pinpointing her relationship, but as my father had a good friend and colleague, Arthur RODDIS, > I've spent a few entertaining hours trying to find a link between the two RODDIS families. > > So far, nothing, but as a baby in 1911, Arthur was living with his family in Prospect St, Alfreton, where my GGF, > Thomas STOKES, was living, in a house, for which he had done all the beautiful carpentry himself, with his wife > and youngest children. > > Can anyone tell me, please, how to trawl the 1911 Census for a particular address? I thought this would be fairly > simple, but find that each schedule has a cover sheet, then the schedule itself. There doesn't seem to be a useful > way of telling who the neighbours were. I also found that Thomas, and other family members, seem to have ignored > the requirement to fill in a Census Return for 1911. I'm quite cross, really. > > Anyway, if anyone knows more about any of these people, I'd be very pleased to hear from them. > > > Kind regards > > Joy

How does one get on to old search, I thought they had done away with it? Thanks Barry -----Original Message----- From: Joy Hungerford Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:37 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] BIRCH/RODDIS in Chesterfield Hi Nivard Thank you for your advice. I'll have another go at tracing my GGF's address. You're right about Phyllis's maiden name. This is why I thought an informal arrangement might have been made with her aunt and uncle. I'm grateful for your time and trouble. Kind regards Joy > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:17:00 +0100 > From: ovington.one@gmail.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] BIRCH/RODDIS in Chesterfield > > Hi Joy > > Are you using Ancestry or another supplier? > > On Ancestry, use old search, in advanced search enter the address in the > keyword box > > If it does not come up try abbreviating the Street to St or Road to Rd > if still no hits remove parts of the address to get pertinent hits, if > your house number does not pop up try no number and pick one close by in > the enumerators summaries > > In 1911 the enumerator did a street listing, (the RG78) they are called > the enumerators summaries on Ancestry > > They will list the houses around and about your target > > As Phyllis married as a BIRCH it suggests she was not adopted, otherwise > who would have married as POUNTAIN surely? > > This appears to back up your theroy it was her > > England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Phyllis Mary Roddis > Name: Phyllis Mary Roddis > Birth Date: 15 Sep 1906 > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1970 > Age at Death: 63 > Registration district: Chesterfield > Inferred County: Derbyshire > Volume: 3a > Page: 274 > > If you can't find the address let us know and we can search for you > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 26/04/2013 18:42, Joy Hungerford wrote: > > I made some enquiries a while ago about Phyllis Mary BIRCH, a 4-year-old > > niece, living with > > my GU, Benjamin Henry POUNTAIN, in Chesterfield, in 1911. I suspect that > > she was the niece of his wife, > > Margaret [JONES], who was born in Flintshire. Phyllis was born in > > Cheshire and, as I've found a marriage > > (to George R RODDIS in 1942) and three children, 1942, 1946 and 1947, > > all events in Chesterfield, I wonder > > if Phyllis was adopted or 'adopted' by Ben and Margaret. > > > > I'm no nearer pinpointing her relationship, but as my father had a good > > friend and colleague, Arthur RODDIS, > > I've spent a few entertaining hours trying to find a link between the > > two RODDIS families. > > > > So far, nothing, but as a baby in 1911, Arthur was living with his > > family in Prospect St, Alfreton, where my GGF, > > Thomas STOKES, was living, in a house, for which he had done all the > > beautiful carpentry himself, with his wife > > and youngest children. > > > > Can anyone tell me, please, how to trawl the 1911 Census for a > > particular address? I thought this would be fairly > > simple, but find that each schedule has a cover sheet, then the schedule > > itself. There doesn't seem to be a useful > > way of telling who the neighbours were. I also found that Thomas, and > > other family members, seem to have ignored > > the requirement to fill in a Census Return for 1911. I'm quite cross, > > really. > > > > Anyway, if anyone knows more about any of these people, I'd be very > > pleased to hear from them. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Joy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I made some enquiries a while ago about Phyllis Mary BIRCH, a 4-year-old niece, living with  my GU, Benjamin Henry POUNTAIN, in Chesterfield, in 1911. I suspect that she was the niece of his wife,  Margaret [JONES], who was born in Flintshire. Phyllis was born in Cheshire and, as I've found a marriage (to George R RODDIS in 1942) and three children, 1942, 1946 and 1947, all events in Chesterfield, I wonder if Phyllis was adopted or 'adopted' by Ben and Margaret.  I'm no nearer pinpointing her relationship, but as my father had a good friend and colleague, Arthur RODDIS,  I've spent a few entertaining hours trying to find a link between the two RODDIS families. So far, nothing, but as a baby in 1911, Arthur was living with his family in Prospect St, Alfreton, where my GGF, Thomas STOKES, was living, in a house, for which he had done all the beautiful carpentry himself, with his wife  and youngest children. Can anyone tell me, please, how to trawl the 1911 Census for a particular address? I thought this would be fairly simple, but find that each schedule has a cover sheet, then the schedule itself. There doesn't seem to be a useful way of telling who the neighbours were. I also found that Thomas, and other family members, seem to have ignored the requirement to fill in a Census Return for 1911. I'm quite cross, really. Anyway, if anyone knows more about any of these people, I'd be very pleased to hear from them. Kind regards Joy

Any bmd's - particularly birth/baptisms marriages for ENGLAND in Codnor Parish would be appreciated Many thanks Karen

Hello Karen, >From Notts FHS Baptismal Index: 4 Oct 1696 at Basford Wm son of Richd & Mary ENGLAND 1 February 1700 at Basford Sarah daughter Richd & Mary ENGLAND 31 October 1703 at Basford Richard son Richard & Mary ENGLAND 29 October 1706 at Basford Richard son of Richard & Mary ENGLAND 26 March 1710 at Basford Mary daughter Rich & Mary ENGLAND 12 July 1683 at Basford Samuell son of Richard ENGLAND 13 February 1687 at Basford John son of Richard ENGLAND 3 March 1690 at Basford Mary daughter of Richard ENGLAND >From Notts FHS Burial Index: 16 September 1702 at Basford Mary ENGLAND daughter of Ricard 6 June 1705 at Basford Ann ENGLAND wife of Ricard 9 September 1723 at Basford Samuel ENGLAND son of Richard & Mary 12 September 1733 at Basford Mary ENGLAND, wife of Richard 19 February 1758 at Basford Richard ENGLAND >From Phillimore's Marriage Index of Basford: 25 August 1683 David ENGLAND & Elizabeth JOLIANE 12 July 1705 Richard ENGLAND & Mary STOONES There are subsequent ENGLAND marriages but I cannot find Richard's marriage to Ann at Basford, nor indeed at all on my copy (admittedly an old one) of the Notts FHS Marriage Index. Not too sure whether this will help determine the parentage of Samuel, John & Mary and I would think the probability is that the burial record for Samuel in 1723 is a different Samuel to the one baptised in 1683 as the latter would be unlikely to be considered the son of anybody by 1723. Hope this helps confirm a few dates for you if nothing else. Janet > I have accessed the following information information from Parish Records > Online - Basford for ENGLAND To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Sorry, no I didn't I am not a big fan of Familysearch, and I prefer to use other sources if possible I got my information from this site http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?action=ViewRec&DB=8&bookID=20&page=87or in plain english ukgenealogy.org.uk - derbyshire (Phillimore's marriages) Alfreton Vol 15 I have William England married to Sarah Bugg 8th June 1740 which if he married at legal age would mean he was born abt 1719 and that is what I based my assumption on .. plus the age I was given for his death by Matlock - I have one child for William And Sarah and that is John England born 1841 - 1830 John England 1841 is the father of James England who is my 6x great grandfather Cheers Karen Queensland Australia On 25 April 2013 09:26, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > Looking for parents and siblings of William England > > born 22 Dec 1717 > > Alfreton, Derby > > Married > > Sarah Bugg 8th June 1740 > > Many thanks > > Karen > >

Take 2 Hopefully in plain text On 25 April 2013 13:40, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I have accessed the following information information from Parish Records > Online - Basford for ENGLAND > > however - I find now that I conflicting information - > > can someone please double check this info for me > > Births/Baptism > > 12 July 1683 > Son Samuel > Father - Richard > > 12 July 1683 > Daughter - un named > Father - Richard > > 13 Feb 1686 > Son John > Father - Richard > > I believe that these are the children of Richard England and Anne Keale > Anne died 26 May 1705, and Richard then remarried 26th May 1705 > > There is another Richard England who married Mary Browne 30th June 1686 > i > > Are the following children - product of Richard and Anne and it has been > recorded as parents Richard and Mary or are they Richard and Mary Browne's > children > > 3 March 1689 > Mary daughter of Richard and Mary > > 4 Oct 1696 > William son of Richard and Mary > > 1 Feb 1699 > Sarah daughter of Richard and Mary > > 31 October 1703 > Richard son of Richard and Mary > > 29 October 1706 > Richard son Richard and Mary > > Conflicting Burial Data > > Anne (Keale) wife of richard > mine > 26 May 1705 > othersource > 6 June 1705 > > Mary daughter of Richard > mine > 8th July 1702 > other source > 16 September 1702 > > and the date of Richard's would make him 103 so I have ruled this Richard > out of the equation for this date of burial.. > > I really appreciate your help on this > > Many thanks > Karen > Queensland > Australia > > > > > > > > > > >

From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > Hi, > > Sorry, no I didn't > > I am not a big fan of Familysearch, and I prefer to use other > sources if > possible > > I got my information from this site > > http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?action=ViewRec&DB= > 8&bookID=20&page=87or > in plain english > > ukgenealogy.org.uk - derbyshire (Phillimore's marriages) > Alfreton Vol 15 > > I have William England married to Sarah Bugg 8th June 1740 > which if he married at legal age would mean he was born abt 1719 and > that is what I based my assumption on .. > plus the age I was given for his death by Matlock - > > I have one child for William And Sarah and that is John England born > 1841 - 1830 > > John England 1841 is the father of James England who is my 6x > great > grandfather > > Cheers > Karen > Queensland > Australia> You are probably correct in your assumption re the marriage, but what I meant was that you need to be quite certain there was no other William England in Alfreton at around the same time. It has been known for there to be more than one person of the same name in the same parish at the same time! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Afternoon all Have updated www.crichparish.co.uk records for BMD for names starting with letters I and J Regards Peter

Hi all Seeing Lins post, I thought I would just let others know For those with an interest Ancestry have updated the 1911 census images to include the infirmity column They have also linked the person with the 1896 to 1904 maps (well some people anyway) The link to the map can be found on the transcript page However I would take the mapping link with a wee bit of caution The first I looked at (my grandmother) had no map link, the second was in West Ham, Essex, I wasn't aware they had moved West Ham to be part of the Shetland Isles but thats where the map link took you <vbg> I just tried half a dozen names, half had no map link, one was correct, two were wrong, one was for Bromley and took you to Shropshire, another in Swindon, Wiltshire took you to Coldstream in the borders So perhaps rather than taking the links with a pinch of salt it should be a wheel barrow full until they fix the problem :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Lin What it means is that the person filling in the form did not read it properly (like many others they misunderstood it) The heading states Nationality of every person *born in a foreign Country* Many misunderstood the request and added the details for all people regardless of where they were born, such as you have, there was no need to fill in the column if they were not born abroad In that column the other sub questions were State whether :- (1) British subject by parentage (2) Naturalised British subject giving year of naturalisation or (3) If of foreign nationality state whether French, german, Russian etc So you will see yours is (1) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/04/2013 10:02, Lcsearch3528@aol.com wrote: > Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. > > I was just looking for my maternal grandmother on the 1911 Census and under > the column Nationality, it says 'Brit Sub by marriage' or it might be > 'patronage' 'parentage' or similar - its not very easy to read. I wonder if > anyone knows what this means, as far as I am aware she was born in > Derbyshire and so were all her ancestors, at least back to John Randall b 1873 > which is as far as I've got back. > > Any help appreciated please. > Lin

From: Lcsearch3528@aol.com > Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. > > I was just looking for my maternal grandmother on the 1911 Census and under > the column Nationality, it says 'Brit Sub by marriage' or it might > be 'patronage' 'parentage' or similar - its not very easy to read. I > wonder if anyone knows what this means, as far as I am aware she was born in Derbyshire > and so were all her ancestors, at least back to John > Randall b 1873 which is as far as I've got back. > > Any help appreciated please. > Lin> We can't help unless you post the details, i.e. name, where living, address, reference no. etc. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > Looking for parents and siblings of William England > > born 22 Dec 1717 > > Alfreton, Derby > > Married > > Sarah Bugg 8th June 1740 > > Many thanks > > Karen> Presumably you got the supposed birth date from the IGI at FamilySearch? I note there are four entries - three of which are for the christening of William England, NOT the birthdate, two of which give 22 Dec 1717 and one which gives 9 Jan 1717. The entries are what are now called "Community contributed" ones, in other words what we used to call patron submissions and NOT from officially indexed entries in the parish register. You should be aware that these entries, made by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, are unreliable and need checking. You should also ask yourself how you can be sure that the William England supposedly born in 1717 was the same man who married Sarah Bugg in 1740. IF it was the right man, then the IGI says the father was John England. Very often in those times mothers weren't recorded at all, since they weren't thought to be important! I'm sorry to put doubt in your mind but you cannot accept what a community-contributed entry in the IGI says without checking with the original registers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Looking for parents and siblings of William England born 22 Dec 1717 Alfreton, Derby Married Sarah Bugg 8th June 1740 Many thanks Karen

If anyone has access to this information I would be truly greatful Looking for ENGLAND family in Derby some may have been moved to Notts Cheers Karen

Thank you so much Nivard for clarifying this for me, and so promptly too. Regards, Lin In a message dated 25/04/2013 10:12:41 GMT Daylight Time, ovington.one@gmail.com writes: Hi Lin What it means is that the person filling in the form did not read it properly (like many others they misunderstood it) The heading states Nationality of every person *born in a foreign Country* Many misunderstood the request and added the details for all people regardless of where they were born, such as you have, there was no need to fill in the column if they were not born abroad In that column the other sub questions were State whether :- (1) British subject by parentage (2) Naturalised British subject giving year of naturalisation or (3) If of foreign nationality state whether French, german, Russian etc So you will see yours is (1) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/04/2013 10:02, Lcsearch3528@aol.com wrote: > Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. > > I was just looking for my maternal grandmother on the 1911 Census and under > the column Nationality, it says 'Brit Sub by marriage' or it might be > 'patronage' 'parentage' or similar - its not very easy to read. I wonder if > anyone knows what this means, as far as I am aware she was born in > Derbyshire and so were all her ancestors, at least back to John Randall b 1873 > which is as far as I've got back. > > Any help appreciated please. > Lin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. I was just looking for my maternal grandmother on the 1911 Census and under the column Nationality, it says 'Brit Sub by marriage' or it might be 'patronage' 'parentage' or similar - its not very easy to read. I wonder if anyone knows what this means, as far as I am aware she was born in Derbyshire and so were all her ancestors, at least back to John Randall b 1873 which is as far as I've got back. Any help appreciated please. Lin

Hello List Can anyone help me with my research? I have John Horrobin 1820 who gives his place of birth as Littleover Derby. He was baptised in Alvaston and his parents are John Horrobin and Sarah Green. I know he had at least one sibling - a sister called Ellen b 1818. He married Mary Ann Shaw in 1846 in Stapleford. They had 6 children and the first 4 were all baptised the same day in Sandiacre. They were still living in Sandiacre in 1858 when their 5th child was born. By 1860 they had moved out of the area. I have an 1851 census result for a Joseph Horrobin b1825 and Enoch Horrobin b 1832 living in Sandiacre and giving their place of birth as Littleover but I cannot link them to John Horrobin 1820. In the census result for 1851 Joseph is married and his first child William was born in 1849. He probably married his wife Fanny just before this date. If anyone can help I would be very grateful. Regards Stephen Burns

Hi Sue Thanks for these. A lot to look at but I'll enjoy sifting through them! As you say, they may have married after 1837 and it may be a second or third marriage so I'll also take a look at the marriage registers from 1837 onwards. Once again, you have been a great help. Regards Christine -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Brown Sent: 24 April 2013 11:35 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 101 Hi Christine, I have - workingfrom c1816 on upto 1837, Thomas Richardson & Elizabeth first and then some other possiblities: Derby All Saints PH Thos Richardson, stationer, 17 Feb 1818, Eliz Harper Roberts, minor, p St Alkmund, consent of guardian Josh Handford, lic Derby St Peter PR Thos Richardson, b, Littleover, 21 Jun 1831, Eliz Greatorex, wid, otp, lic Elvaston PR Thos Robins Richardson, farmer, otp, 2 Dec 1824, Eliz Ford,s, consent of parents, otp, lic Repton PR Thos Richardson, Breedon on the Hill Lei, b, 27 Feb 1816, Ann Sturgess, s, otp, banns Derby St Alkmund BT Thos Richardson, otp, 13 Apr 1818, Christian Jolliffe, otp, banns Ticknall PR Thos Richardson, otp, 10 Oct 1820, Hannah Warren, otp, lic Barlbrough PR Thos Richardson, b, Clown, 21 May 1821, Sarah Lenthall, s, otp, banns Derby St Michael PR Thos Richardson, b, maltster, 21+, otp, 21 Jul 1822, Dorothy Fox, s, 21+, Mackworth, banns Heanor PH Thos Richardson, 6 Sep 1824, Eve Pollard Duffield BT Thos Richardson, b, otp, 23 Jan 1828, Cath Newton, wid, otp, lic Derby All Saints PH Thos Richardson, shoemaker, 13 Apr 1830, Ann Wootton, p St Peter Derby St Peter PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 25 Dec 1831, Bridget Hudson, s, otp, banns Duffield PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 7 Mar 1832, Sarah Malin, s, p Wirksworth, banns Duffield PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 3 Aug 1834, Hannah Smithurst, s, otp, banns Hope some of this helps, they may well have married after 1 July 1837. Suehttp://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/