Hello folks, They've solved the problem of accidental incest in Iceland, by bumping mobile phones with the right app. See www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/accidental-incest-app-iceland_n_3114065.html Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England

Yes I couldn't agree more but if those old stones gave up their secrets by merely waving an iphone at them I do wonder for the future of our pastime If everything is laid on a plate for every researcher it bodes badly for the new researcher in a few short years who will be able to compile a family tree back two or three hundred years before breakfast (something some companies seem to imply now actually) We have already seen a massive decline in interaction on the lists over the last few years, mainly due to the plethora of information now available Each step forward makes it easier, but I wonder if that will eventually be the undoing of it :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I was thinking more in terms of those who'd been gone a couple of > hundred years <G> > > QR codes would be very useful but it would take a degree of fun out of > our hobby. >

Nivard Ovington wrote: > > > That already exists in various forms > > Micro chips and QR codes for example > > See > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-19506286 I was thinking more in terms of those who'd been gone a couple of hundred years <G> QR codes would be very useful but it would take a degree of fun out of our hobby. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

That already exists in various forms Micro chips and QR codes for example See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-19506286 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > But that takes all the fun out of genealogy having everything already > documented. > > Now if there was an app which could give the parents of an ancestor > simply by pressing a smart phone against a grave, it could solve a > number of mysteries ;)) > >

Andy Micklethwaite wrote: > There's an app in Iceland for checking how closely related you are. > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/accidental-incest-app-iceland_n_3114065.html But that takes all the fun out of genealogy having everything already documented. Now if there was an app which could give the parents of an ancestor simply by pressing a smart phone against a grave, it could solve a number of mysteries ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Angela, On www.familysearch.org - there is a Martha HAWKSWORTH baptised 30 Apr 1768 at Snelston to Thomas HAWKSWORTH and Mary, Snelston is only about 4 miles from Ashbourne, this is a possibility for you. Hope this helps, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia At 06:45 PM 29/04/2013, you wrote: >Hi, >I have one HAWKSWORTH in my tree and I know very little about her. >Martha HAWKSWORTH married Edward ALLEN 10th June 1792 Ashbourne. >Their first child was William b. Norbury and Roston 1793 and they >had several children in Ashbourne between 1796 and 1814 (these >baptisms need to be checked). > >I haven't been able to find baptisms or burials for either Martha or Edward. >If anyone is able to help shed some light on the mysterious Martha >I'd be very grateful. > >thanks, > >Angela > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's an app in Iceland for checking how closely related you are. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/accidental-incest-app-iceland_n_3114065.html At 22:50 29/04/2013, Louis wrote: >There's an old saying, "Don't believe everything you think." How true! Andy.

ha ha - very good! -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:45 Subject: Re: [DBY] Consanguinity A chip on the old block perhaps :-)Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)On 30/04/2013 12:21, Alison wrote:> Who's going to go round microchipping all these gravestones?? A task> for the next lot of genealogy nuts?-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who's going to go round microchipping all these gravestones?? A task for the next lot of genealogy nuts? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:20 Subject: Re: [DBY] Consanguinity At 11:53 30/04/2013, you wrote:>Yes I couldn't agree more but if those old stones gave up their secrets >by merely waving an iphone at them I do wonder for the future of our >pastimeWould we have a different QR code for every different version of the tree on the Internet? :-)Andy. -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello folks, HUBBERSTY is an unusual surname, which greatly helps research. First cousins married in Wirksworth in 1872, the family tree is refreshingly symmetrical, see www.wirksworth.org.uk/X645.htm They were a bourgeois family with Halls and Houses in different counties. Anyone with information about these HUBBERSTYs please email me. The Wedding photo will be improved when I receive the original. Brett, if you're there, I will fulfill my promise. Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

Hi Lin, I've researched a line of FRISBYs that started in Birmingham and the Potteries, went to Scotland, some stayed there while another branch line headed back south to North Bucks where one of them befriended my mum (and became my honorary aunt). So if your lot did any of that, let me know! So far, though, I haven't got a Thomas in the tree... just lots of Freds. Cheers, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 29 April 2013 13:32, <Lcsearch3528@aol.com> wrote: > Hi, I visited Ilkeston Park Road Cemetery on Saturday, and finally found > the grave of my Gt Grandfather George Frisby and his wife Mary Ann. I had > been sent a photo of it via CWGC. Also commemorated on the tombstone is > their son Thomas Frisby who died in 1915 in Caberet-Souchez, France. I > know > that Thomas Frisby was married and had 3 children I believe. My direct > ancestor is my grandmother Lily Frisby and her siblings were Eliza, > Thomas, > William, Alice, May. > > I wonder if there is anybody else researching these Frisby's? If so I > would love to make contact. > > Lin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Calum Your suggestion does open up some lines so I will have to see if I can link Mary to my George Hill it has opened up the possibilities of why I can't find George's parents but a lot more work has to be done, as he doesn't appear on the 1841 census but appears on the 1851 census in Mansfield, Thanks once again Best wishes Colin

-snip- > They have blood tests though, before marriage, so maybe it > is just dependent on the results. -snip- There's an old saying, "Don't believe everything you think." No DNA analysis existed when those blood tests were introduced.  The blood tests weren't designed or legislated to prevent consanguinity.  To be blunt, they were intended to detect sexually transmitted disease, although some states added additional tests for other conditions over time.  DNA testing and comparisons are relatively recent and I know of no state that routinely performs them prior to marriage.     Lou

Hi Celia Thank you but I don't think my Frisby's moved much further than Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire, but you never know and if I suddenly find that someone has escaped the county boundaries into Birmingham/Scotland or North Bucks I'll get back to you! Thanks again for responding. Happy searching. Lin In a message dated 29/04/2013 18:46:06 GMT Daylight Time, celiarenshaw@gmail.com writes: Hi Lin, I've researched a line of FRISBYs that started in Birmingham and the Potteries, went to Scotland, some stayed there while another branch line headed back south to North Bucks where one of them befriended my mum (and became my honorary aunt). So if your lot did any of that, let me know! So far, though, I haven't got a Thomas in the tree... just lots of Freds. Cheers, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 29 April 2013 13:32, <Lcsearch3528@aol.com> wrote: > Hi, I visited Ilkeston Park Road Cemetery on Saturday, and finally found > the grave of my Gt Grandfather George Frisby and his wife Mary Ann. I had > been sent a photo of it via CWGC. Also commemorated on the tombstone is > their son Thomas Frisby who died in 1915 in Caberet-Souchez, France. I > know > that Thomas Frisby was married and had 3 children I believe. My direct > ancestor is my grandmother Lily Frisby and her siblings were Eliza, > Thomas, > William, Alice, May. > > I wonder if there is anybody else researching these Frisby's? If so I > would love to make contact. > > Lin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a distant cousin who connects with an early American line of mine. In a period of 200 years six of his lines converge on one couple and six more lines on another couple, both with early Virginia roots. He seems to be quite healthy. Those two families seem to have had lots of children, very few of whom died young. Sometimes people get lucky, but I'm sure that this man's parents had no idea how closely they were related. I married a tenth cousin. Most Americans with ancestors who came across the pond in the 1600's have a link somewhere within ten generations and don't find it until they get into studying genealogy. It has no genetic significance by then, of course. Eileen Phelps On 4/28/2013 9:40 AM, derbysgen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > [DBY] First cousin marriage in 1872

John Henry HALL, b.c. June 1855 at Sawley/Shardlow, living in Churh St. Sawley, 1841 and Cross Street, Sawley, 1861 with parents.   Parents believed to be William HALL bc 1802  (?Staffordshire) and Hannah BROOKS married Jun q 1840 Shardlow   An apprentice Smith/Mechanic, he married Betsy CUTTS  29 March 1875 at Nottingham St. Nicholas.   They had a daughter Kate Elizabeth HALL b. Dec q 1875 in Nottingham - she was later a pupil teacher.   John and Betsy HALL moved to Hoxton New Town between 1875 and 1878   Their next daughter, Mary Cutts HALL was b. Jan 1878 in Hoxton New Town, Shoreditch, Mx.   In 1881 they are living in Raleigh Street, Nottingham with her parents.   They may have had a son, John Henry HALL, who died age 0, in Dec. 1890 at Stepney.   John HALL Senior appears to have died between 1881 and 1891 as Betsy is then a widow - back living with her mother in Nottingham.   I am interested in finding out more about their time in London and if they stayed with/near other relatives at that time.   I would also like to further my research into BROOKS family to see if they are related to a Thomas BROOKES bc 1805 who went over to France with the lacemakers.   Mavis

Oh dear - hit the send button by mistake. As I was saying John JACKSON married Hannah WAGG at Hartshorn in 1832 so no father mentioned there. In his will he mentions his children but no siblings. Anyone come across John's baptism? Henry JAMES was a baker in Derby. According to his age at death in 1834 he was born in 1759. When he married at St Alkmunds Derby in 1784 he was described as 'of All Saints, Derby'. His only son was named Thomas bapt in 1785 at All Saints. His daughters were Mary Ann, Elizabeth and Pooley, bapt at All Saints and St Werburghs. I wondered if Pooley indicated an ancestors surname as it is not a forename I am familiar with. There is a William JAMES, baker that is a possible father for Henry but I have found no baptism c.1759. Thanks Jane

John JACKSON of Normanton by Derby on the census consistently gave his place of birth as Church Broughton c.1811/12 and there are plenty of JACKSON families there but no baptism for John and no reference to him in any of the Church Broughton wills I have looked at. John married Hannah WAGG

Hi John I'm surprised that you were horrified at finding a first cousin marriage! I've always considered them not uncommon. Apart from those in Royal circles, some famous men who married their first cousins include Charles Darwin, H G Wells, and Albert Einstein - as well as Christopher Robin Milne. In my Cauldwell, Derbyshire, NORTON family, alone, I have first cousin marriages in two successive generations: my great-grandfather's sister, Mary Ann NORTON married William WATSON (c1851-1855). (Mary Ann's father and William's mother were siblings). Their uncle, George NORTON married Sarah BURDETT in Shackerstone, Leics in 1822, Sarah's mother and George's father being siblings. Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Cauldwell Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/cauldindex.htm East Midlands General Baptist History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm -------------- On Sun, 28 Apr 2013, "John Palmer" <johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk> wrote: Horrified at finding a notable first-cousin marriage in Wirksworth in 1872, I looked up the matter in Wikipedia to find the following: "England maintained a small but stable proportion of cousin marriages for centuries, with proportions in 1875 estimated by George Darwin at 3.5 percent for the middle classes and 4.5 percent for the nobility, though this had declined to under 1 percent in the 20th century. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were a preeminent example".

Hi everyone, George HARTLEY married Mary WILCOCKSON 21 Nov 1801 in Chesterfield, they had four children (William, John, Ann & Martha) - Mary buried 27 Jun 1809, George then married Elizabeth WATTS 15 Jan 1810 in Chesterfield, they had two children (George 1811 & Hannah 1813 both baptised in Chesterfield), have not found a buriel for George & his wife Elizabeth in or around Chesterfield. I now have a George & Elizabeth HARTLEY in West Retford, Ntts having two children baptised Henry 1818 and Harriet 1820. Have found a George 50 & Elizabeth 45 on 1841 in Worksop, Ntts both born out of county, on 1851 Census George is 59 (Blind) born Dronfield & Elizabeth 52 born Eckington. Have a death cert for George HARTLEY age 77 died 25 May 1859 in Worksop, the informant was a neighbour so no help there. Elizabeth was bur 1 Dec 1867 age 82 yrs in Worksop. But, I cannot find a baptism for George HARTLEY abt 1782 in Dronfield or surrounds. I have a baptism for Elizabeth (WATTS) 5 May 1780 in Chesterfield. I cannot prove that the couple I found in Worksop are my George & Elizabeth, but have not found any other George & Elizabeth, but, the fact that Elizabeth on the 1851 Census says she was born in Eckington would appear to be my Elizabeth, although the ages do not fit. I have searched many parishes around Chesterfield for George HARTLEY'S baptism but have not found one, have gone over the border into Sheffield and that area where there are numerous George HARTLEYS born about 1780. I have managed to track five of the eight children on Census. Happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore Australia