It couldn't be Groom's Mill, could it? The tail of the g of 'wedding' above fogs the issue a bit. Kind regards Joy > From: johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk > To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:25:07 +0100 > Subject: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word? > > Hello Folks, > Please see www.eyemead.com/CANUHELP.htm#31 Its Problem #31 at the top. > > Can you read the last word of an inscription on a photo of a wedding which > took place in Wirksworth in 1872? > It reads > "August 7th 1872 > Relatives at the Wedding of H.A.Hubbersty and F.A.Hubbersty > *******" > The last word may be the name of the place where the photo was taken. > To me it looks like "-mill" but I can find no placename in Derbyshire that > looks like the writing. > The Wedding took place on August 7th in Wirksworth, so all these people > cannot have moved far from the Church in all that heavy clothing! > The main people concerned owned Wirksworth Hall, a few yards from the Church > but the windows do not match. > > Can U help, I just can't read it. > > Hopefully, > John Palmer, Dorset, England > Author of Wirksworth website > www.wirksworth.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Folks, Please see www.eyemead.com/CANUHELP.htm#31 Its Problem #31 at the top. Can you read the last word of an inscription on a photo of a wedding which took place in Wirksworth in 1872? It reads "August 7th 1872 Relatives at the Wedding of H.A.Hubbersty and F.A.Hubbersty *******" The last word may be the name of the place where the photo was taken. To me it looks like "-mill" but I can find no placename in Derbyshire that looks like the writing. The Wedding took place on August 7th in Wirksworth, so all these people cannot have moved far from the Church in all that heavy clothing! The main people concerned owned Wirksworth Hall, a few yards from the Church but the windows do not match. Can U help, I just can't read it. Hopefully, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

Could groom have anything to do with bride-groom?? I don't know if they'd have shortened it then. Alison -----Original Message----- From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:52 Subject: Re: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word? It couldn't be Groom's Mill, could it? The tail of the g of 'wedding' abovefogs the issue a bit.Kind regardsJoy> From: johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk> To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:25:07 +0100> Subject: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word?> > Hello Folks,> Please see www.eyemead.com/CANUHELP.htm#31 Its Problem #31 at the top.> > Can you read the last word of an inscription on a photo of a wedding which > took place in Wirksworth in 1872?> It reads> "August 7th 1872> Relatives at the Wedding of H.A.Hubbersty and F.A.Hubbersty> *******"> The last word may be the name of the place where the photo was taken.> To me it looks like "-mill" but I can find no placename in Derbyshire that > looks like the writing.> The Wedding took place on August 7th in Wirksworth, so all these people > cannot have moved far from the Church in all that heavy clothing!> The main people concerned owned Wirksworth Hall, a few yards from the Church> but the windows do not match.> > Can U help, I just can't read it.> > Hopefully,> John Palmer, Dorset, England> Author of Wirksworth website> www.wirksworth.org.uk> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please forgive me posting this again. I sent it before, with a possibly misleading headline. I've been looking at some of the descendants of Elizabeth [HAWKSWORTH]WESTON in Ockbrook, namely George BUTLER, her GGS and his family. In 1901, they are living in Green Lane (where a huge number of my ancestors lived). George and his wife, Louisa [SPILLER], have by now completed their family of 12 (they claim  an extra one who died, but I've not traced, on the 1911 Census). In 1911, they are living in the Moravian Settlement, which explains partly why future researchers  may find a problem. Their first child was b and bp in 1876 in Derby. The next batch of six, with birth dates between 1878 and 1887, were saved up and bp together in 1888 in Ockbrook. Anyone looking in future, eg, for Lizzie, the 1878 one, especially if they rely on Familysearch, could be assuming she was born ten years later than she was. The last batch of five were again saved up and bp in 1904, although their birth dates range between 1890 and 1898. Anyone on the trail of, say, Maggie (b 1890), could be 14 years out in their assumptions. I suspect that moving to the Settlement would have been a major factor in the baptisms of the last five, and that this move would have taken place in about 1904. All the Ockbrook baptisms were at the Parish Church. As none of my relatives, previously, seem to have had anything to do with the Settlement, I thought it was probably a closed community, confined to members of the Moravian Church. Has anyone come across examples of their ancestors moving into the community? Kind regards Joy

In my search for the parents of Phyllis Mary BIRCH, four-year-old niece, living with my GU, Benjamin Henry POUNTAIN, in 1911, I've found a note on a Hasland marriage, which I made because Ben Henry was a witness:- Jun-1903 Frederick Brufton BIRCH   bachelor   Catherine JONES  Hasland spinster   Fathers:- Thomas BIRCH  Charles JONES  Wits:- Ben Henry POUNTAIN  Edith Mary BIRCH (Fred’s sister) I made this note long before I knew that Ben had married Margaret Ann JONES. As Charles JONES is named as the bride's father, not only for Catherine, but also for Margaret Ann, it's logical to assume they were sisters, and therefore that a daughter of Frederick and Catherine would be Margaret's niece. Frederick, b 1877 Cheshire, died abt Oct 1908, Chesterfield, when Phyllis, b abt Oct 1906, was two. The next I hear about Phyllis is her Chesterfield marriage to George RODDIS in 1942. I can't find anything about Margaret Ann and Catherine, daughters of Charles JONES, in either 1881 or 1891. I would expect them to be with their family in Bagillt, FLN. I’d like to know what happened to Catherine. I can’t find a death or remarriage for her. I don't often spend a lot of time on a non-relative, but Phyllis and her family intrigue me. Kind regards Joy

Hi Barbara I am still waiting for him to get back to me Cheers Karen On 2 May 2013 02:17, BARBARA WINDER <barbara.osbiston@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Talk to Mick on Yesterday's Journeys Karen- he's obtained and sent some of > mine, > Barbara > > > ________________________________ > From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013, 12:34 > Subject: [DBY] Derbyshire Removals > > > I have a removal order for Samuel England and his wife > Amy (presumably Parks), and children William, Ann and John > the removal order is R46 1817 > > Long Eaton to Ilkeston that I printed off from an online source - > > How do I go about getting a copy of the actual order? > > cheers > > Karen > Queensland > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a removal order for Samuel England and his wife Amy (presumably Parks), and children William, Ann and John the removal order is R46 1817 Long Eaton to Ilkeston that I printed off from an online source - How do I go about getting a copy of the actual order? cheers Karen Queensland Australia

Belper - ?? looking for the full name of spouse Mary ??? married to John England about 1835 (going by the 1841 census) first child was born in 1835 Census says civil parish of Duffield, Reg District Belper Children are - Ann Mariah 1835 Ann England 1837 John England 1839 Mahalah England 1840/41 Thank you Karen

Talk to Mick on Yesterday's Journeys Karen- he's obtained and sent some of mine, Barbara ________________________________ From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013, 12:34 Subject: [DBY] Derbyshire Removals I have a removal order for Samuel England and his wife Amy (presumably Parks), and children William, Ann and John the removal order is R46 1817 Long Eaton to Ilkeston  that I printed off from an online source - How do I go about getting a copy of the actual order? cheers Karen Queensland Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan, Yes, I remember you tracking a George HARTLEY & Elizabeth for me, thank you. I have the record of 1795 George HARTLEY to George & Jane in my notes for Norton back in February 2010, but I dismissed it as being too late, there were no notes to say that George was an older child being baptised. I have now ordered the Bishop's Transcripts for Norton, maybe this will give me more info, sometimes they do. I did receive the death certificate for a George HARTLEY who died in Worksop in 1859 age 77 yrs, it is definately a possibility, the informant was not his wife Elizabeth but a neighbour, so no luck with that. Once again, thank you for your interest, happy hunting Annette At 07:07 AM 1/05/2013, you wrote: >Hi Annette > >we have corresponded on this before - I have not found anymore trace >of the children but did come across a baptism at Norton (only abt 3 >miles from Dronfield) for a George Heurtley 30.8.1795 - dates are a >bit out but it might be that he was baptised late - parents George >and Jane. (found on familysearch). > >Sue > > >________________________________ > From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> >To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013, 1:41 >Subject: [DBY] HARTLEY - Brick Wall (very high) > > >Hi everyone, > >George HARTLEY married Mary WILCOCKSON 21 Nov 1801 in Chesterfield, >they had four children (William, John, Ann & Martha) - Mary buried >27 Jun 1809, >George then married Elizabeth WATTS 15 Jan 1810 in Chesterfield, they had >two children (George 1811 & Hannah 1813 both baptised in >Chesterfield), have not found >a buriel for George & his wife Elizabeth in or around Chesterfield. > >I now have a George & Elizabeth HARTLEY in West Retford, Ntts having >two children >baptised Henry 1818 and Harriet 1820. Have found a George 50 & >Elizabeth 45 on 1841 in >Worksop, Ntts both born out of county, on 1851 Census George is 59 >(Blind) born Dronfield >& Elizabeth 52 born Eckington. Have a death cert for George HARTLEY >age 77 died >25 May 1859 in Worksop, the informant was a neighbour so no help there. >Elizabeth was bur 1 Dec 1867 age 82 yrs in Worksop. > >But, I cannot find a baptism for George HARTLEY abt 1782 in Dronfield >or surrounds. I have a >baptism for Elizabeth (WATTS) 5 May 1780 in Chesterfield. > >I cannot prove that the couple I found in Worksop are my George & >Elizabeth, but have not >found any other George & Elizabeth, but, the fact that Elizabeth on >the 1851 Census says she >was born in Eckington would appear to be my Elizabeth, although the >ages do not fit. > >I have searched many parishes around Chesterfield for George >HARTLEY'S baptism but have >not found one, have gone over the border into Sheffield and that area >where there are numerous >George HARTLEYS born about 1780. > >I have managed to track five of the eight children on Census. > >Happy hunting, > >Annette WATSON >Lismore >Australia > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > > > Belper - ?? > > > > looking for the full name of spouse Mary ??? married to John > England > > about > > 1835 (going by the 1841 census) first child was born in 1835 > > > > Census says civil parish of Duffield, Reg District Belper > > > > Children are - > > > > Ann Mariah 1835 > > Ann England 1837 > > John England 1839 > > Mahalah England 1840/41 > > > > Thank you > > > > Karen> > > See the IGI at FamilySearch. > > JOHN ENGLAND > Marriage 14 April 1834, Duffield, Derbshire > Spouse: SARAH STONE > Both single > Source: Derbyshire Parish Registers 1538-1910 > Sorry,that was a typo! The name is MARY STONE. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > Belper - ?? > > looking for the full name of spouse Mary ??? married to John England > about > 1835 (going by the 1841 census) first child was born in 1835 > > Census says civil parish of Duffield, Reg District Belper > > Children are - > > Ann Mariah 1835 > Ann England 1837 > John England 1839 > Mahalah England 1840/41 > > Thank you > > Karen> See the IGI at FamilySearch. JOHN ENGLAND Marriage 14 April 1834, Duffield, Derbshire Spouse: SARAH STONE Both single Source: Derbyshire Parish Registers 1538-1910 -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Karen Any of the childrens birth will give you the mothers maiden name Such as a possible for Mahala England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Mehala England Name: Mehala England Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1840 Registration district: Belper Inferred County: Derbyshire Volume: 19 Page: 390 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/05/2013 11:28, Karen wrote: > Belper - ?? > > looking for the full name of spouse Mary ??? married to John England about > 1835 (going by the 1841 census) first child was born in 1835 > > Census says civil parish of Duffield, Reg District Belper > > Children are - > > Ann Mariah 1835 > Ann England 1837 > John England 1839 > Mahalah England 1840/41 > > Thank you > > Karen

Had to share this, just for a chuckle LEEDS TIMES SATURDAY  13   DECEMBER 1845 BURGLARY AT CASTLEFORD Richard Brewell (17)   was indicted for having, on the 10th of Oct last at Castleford, burglariously entered the dwelling house of George Wade, with intent to stel there from Mr Overood conducted the prosecution , the prisoner was not defended On the night of the 10th October, the prosecutor and his wife retired to rest at an early hour, and about one 0'clock they were  awoke by a curious noise in the chimney. The prosecutor got out of bed,and having procured  a light, went downstairs to ascertain the cause. On looking into the kitchen, the prosecutor was surprised to see two black legs projecting from the fireplace. He called to the intruder upon  which the latter attempted to retrace his steps, but was prevented  by the prosecutor who took hold of his  legs and  dragged him to the  middle of the house floor. The prisoner then said he had  made a 'grand' mistake, he having been engaged  to sweep the chimney of the adjoining house, and had got  down the wrong flue. The prosecutor, however, detained the prisoner, and obtained the assistance of the constable, by whom he was secured.   On searching him, a number of lucifer  matches were found on him, and it was also discovered that he was  without waistcoat or shoes. The story of the prisoner as to having been engaged by the prosecutors neighbour, was a perfect fabrication, and after having been placed under restraint, he changed his account of the transaction, and alleged that he had been engaged by four men to descend the chimney and open the house door, in order to admit them to the premises -  The jury found the prisoner Guilty and he was sentenced  to twelve months imprisonment to hard labour aileen

Hi Karen: Can't help with your specific request but St Peter's Chapelry in Belper did not perform marriages in the earlier years. Marriages took place at Duffield. At least my Harrison's had to go to Duffield even as late as the 1860's Mel Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: May 1, 2013 6:29 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] 1835 Marriage - Belper - ?? looking for the full name of spouse Mary ??? married to John England about 1835 (going by the 1841 census) first child was born in 1835 Census says civil parish of Duffield, Reg District Belper Children are - Ann Mariah 1835 Ann England 1837 John England 1839 Mahalah England 1840/41 Thank you Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd love to find out more about a John HIGGET(t) of Farley who left (the tenancy) of a farm to Mary Higget(t) WILDGOOSE and her husband Joseph NUTTALL. This is according to oral evidence, from the owner of High Oredish farm in 1996 - “I cannot answer all your question, but my title deeds state that Highoredish Farm was bequeathed to Joseph and Mary Nuttall (Joseph’s wife) in a will. It came from an uncle named John Higget. He lived at Farley, near Matlock. . . .All the Nuttalls were buried at Matlock. Joseph, Mary’s husband died in 1859. Mary Nuttall sold the farm to the Turbutts of Ogston Hall, from whom I purchased Highoredish.” Mary and Joseph married in 1823 at Matlock. Joseph was bap at Trinity Chapel , nr High Oredish 4 Nov 1792,in the parish of Morton. He was the son of Joseph Nuttall and Ann ( Higgett) Mary was the daughter of Elizabeth Wildgoose, b. Crich 1771 - died post 1861) who never married. There is clearly a close connection between the two families, as the name Maurice crops up in both families. There is also a burial at Matlock, I think, of a John Higgot (High Oredish) aged 70 , on 29 May 1837. I assume this was the same John. Such a pity that we don't have census records before then. The farm was sold by Mary Nuttall in 1867 to the Turbutts of Ogston Hall - but their records state that it was sold by "The Trustees of John Higgett and others". Any ideas anyone? Should I get hold of the death cert for the John from Highoredish? Though I can't find by searching online at Find My Past. Alison

Hi Annette we have corresponded on this before - I have not found anymore trace of the children but did come across a baptism at Norton (only abt 3 miles from Dronfield) for a George Heurtley 30.8.1795 - dates are a bit out but it might be that he was baptised late - parents George and Jane. (found on familysearch). Sue ________________________________ From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013, 1:41 Subject: [DBY] HARTLEY - Brick Wall (very high) Hi everyone, George HARTLEY married Mary WILCOCKSON 21 Nov 1801 in Chesterfield, they had four children (William, John, Ann & Martha) - Mary buried 27 Jun 1809, George then married Elizabeth WATTS 15 Jan 1810 in Chesterfield, they had two children (George 1811 & Hannah 1813 both baptised in Chesterfield),  have not found a buriel for George & his wife Elizabeth in or around Chesterfield. I now have  a George & Elizabeth HARTLEY in West Retford, Ntts having two children baptised Henry 1818 and Harriet 1820.  Have found a George 50 & Elizabeth 45 on 1841 in Worksop, Ntts both born out of county, on 1851 Census George is 59 (Blind) born Dronfield & Elizabeth 52 born Eckington.  Have a death cert for George HARTLEY age 77 died 25 May 1859 in Worksop, the informant was a neighbour so no help there. Elizabeth was bur 1 Dec 1867 age 82 yrs in Worksop. But, I cannot find a baptism for George HARTLEY abt 1782 in Dronfield or surrounds. I have a baptism for Elizabeth (WATTS) 5 May 1780 in Chesterfield. I cannot prove that the couple I found in Worksop are my George & Elizabeth, but have not found any other George & Elizabeth, but, the fact that Elizabeth on the 1851 Census says she was born in Eckington would appear to be my Elizabeth, although the ages do not fit. I have searched many parishes around Chesterfield for George HARTLEY'S baptism but have not found one, have gone over the border into Sheffield and that area where there are numerous George HARTLEYS born about 1780. I have managed to track five of the eight children on Census. Happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been looking at some of the descendants of Elizabeth [HAWKSWORTH]WESTON in Ockbrook, namely George BUTLER, her GGS and his family. In 1901, they are living in Green Lane (where a huge number of my ancestors lived). George and his wife, Louisa [SPILLER], have by now completed their family of 12 (they claim  an extra one who died, but I've not traced, on the 1911 Census). In 1911, they are living in the Moravian Settlement, which explains partly why future researchers  may find a problem. Their first child was b and bp in 1876 in Derby. The next batch of six, with birth dates between 1878 and 1887, were saved up and bp together in 1888 in Ockbrook. Anyone looking in future, eg, for Lizzie, the 1878 one, especially if they rely on Familysearch, could be assuming she was born ten years later than she was. The last batch of five were again saved up and bp in 1904, although their birth dates range between 1890 and 1898. Anyone on the trail of, say, Maggie (b 1890), could be 14 years out in their assumptions. I suspect that moving to the Settlement would have been a major factor in the baptisms of the last five, and that this move would have taken place in about 1904. All the Ockbrook baptisms were at the Parish Church. As none of my relatives, previously, seem to have had anything to do with the Settlement, I thought it was probably a closed community, confined to members of the Moravian Church. Has anyone come across examples of their ancestors moving into the community? Kind regards Joy

A chip on the old block perhaps :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/04/2013 12:21, Alison wrote: > Who's going to go round microchipping all these gravestones?? A task > for the next lot of genealogy nuts?

At 11:53 30/04/2013, you wrote: >Yes I couldn't agree more but if those old stones gave up their secrets >by merely waving an iphone at them I do wonder for the future of our >pastime Would we have a different QR code for every different version of the tree on the Internet? :-) Andy.