Hello to the list I am trying to find the records for the Methodist Chapel Bole Hill Wirksworth, does anyone know if they are available online, or maybe on a cd which I could buy, or maybe someone would be willing to do a look up for me, all help gratefully received Aileen

Hello folks, Many thanks to Ruth for sending me the cutting about the HUBBERSTY Wedding from Derby Mercury for 14 Aug 1872. I think its a cut-down version of the earlier cutting from Derbyshire Times for 10 Aug 1872, see them both at www.wirksworth.org.uk/X645.htm and click on "Press", they must be by the same reporter as the phrasing is so similar! In the 10 Aug cutting, it mentions a Miss PIPER who gave presents. Gosh, I know who she was! See my webpage on www.wirksworth.org.uk/X643.htm She was Governess at Wirksworth Hall to Agnes HUBBERSTY's children. Regards to all, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

No eligible families beginning with K but there is on L - for LUNN. Not the parents though because the father, Daniel, was from Staffordshire and the mother, Lucy (nee PARKER), from Leicestershire. The children, however, were all born in Newhall, Derbyshire before at least one of them wandered off to Yorkshire. The children were George (b 1865), Minnie (b1867), William (b1868), Henry (b1870), Adeline (b1872), the gloriously named Eglantine Maud (b1874), Bertha Ann (1876), Levi (b1877), Beatrice Elizabeth (b1880) and the wonderfully named Marlborough (1882-1917) who went to Yorkshire. I don't know any more about these children simply because I haven't got to them yet. The brickwall being a lack of time. Anyone with a real brickwall that could do with some help demolishing? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thanks for posting this Ruth. It makes for very interesting reading and I love all the detail but seems to discount my theory that there was more than one wedding. It appears that the many bridesmaids were actually dressed like brides! I just wish we could decipher the words for John but it may remain a mystery. Christine -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth J Sent: 05 May 2013 00:37 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] HUBBERSTY wedding I'm afraid I can't help to decipher the wording under the picture but I did find the following newspaper report of the wedding in the Derby Mercury of Wednesday 14 August 1872. I quote in full: WIRKSWORTH MARRIAGE OF MISS HUBBERSTY. - On Wednesday last, the marriage of Miss Hubbersty, daughter of Philip Hubbersty, Esq. of Wirksworth, to her cousin, H. A. Hubbersty, Esq., of Burbage House, Buxton, took place. The day opened in a very promising manner, and the neighbours were astir early in the morning, erecting garlands and other floral decorations at various places over the road leading from Mr. Hubbersty's house to the church. The hour fixed for the ceremony to take place was half-past eleven, and about eleven o' clock the streets were filled with spectators. The church was also densely crowded, every available seat being taken up immediately the doors were thrown open. The guests, who were numerous, began to arrive at the church soon after eleven o' clock, and were provided with seats in the chancel by the churchwardens. The service was performed by the father of the bridegroom, the Rev. Nathan Hubbersty, assisted by the Rev. W.H. Cantrell, rector of Bulwell, near Nott! ingham, and cousin to the bride. Mr. Birch presided at the organ, and played the "Marche aux Flambeaux" during the passage of the bride to the altar, and Mendelssohn's "Wedding March" as the happy couple left the church. When the bridal party passed from the church into the open air, and the organ could no longer be heard, the fine toned bells of the church burst forth with a merry peal, and continued their joyous sounds at intervals during the day. Six young ladies kindly attended with small baskets of flowers, and strewed them in the path of the bride to and from the altar. The altar itself was beautifully decorated with flowers of all kinds and colours, presenting a most lovely appearance as well as filling the church with their sweet odour. The dress of the bride was exceedingly rich, consisting of white satin, trimmed with flounces of Brussels lace, and bonques [sic] of Jasmine and orange blossom. The veil was of Brussels lace, with a wreath of orange blossom. T! he bridesmaids were Miss Wood, Miss Hubbersty (sister of the bridegroo m), Miss Ada Hubbersty, and Miss Constance Hubbersty, all of whom wore dresses of white grenadine over blue tarlatan, and tunics looped with wide blue ribbon, tulle veils with wreaths of blue and white primulas, and gold lockets, set with turquoise, the gifts of the bride and bridegroom. The groomsmen were Mr J. Hutchinson (Hull), best man, Mr. W. P. Hubbersty, Mr. A. C. Hubbersty, and Mr. E. M. Wass. When the ceremony was over, the bridal party returned to Mr. Hubbersty's where an excellent breakfast was prepared in a spacious marquee erected for the occasion on the lawn. About a quarter to two the happy couple left for Chester, thence to North Wales, and finally to Ireland, to spend the honeymoon. The presents were very numerous and costly, consisting of jewellery, plate, articles of vertu, and other useful and ornamental gifts. In the evening a ball was gived [sic] in the marquee, at which a large and fashionable party were present. Our want of space compels us to o! mit the list of presents, and the names of the guests present, both at the breakfast and ball, otherwise we should have been pleased to mention them. We can only add our heartfelt wishes for their future welfare to those already numerously expressed, and say "May they be happy." Get the picture? Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm afraid I can't help to decipher the wording under the picture but I did find the following newspaper report of the wedding in the Derby Mercury of Wednesday 14 August 1872. I quote in full: WIRKSWORTH MARRIAGE OF MISS HUBBERSTY. - On Wednesday last, the marriage of Miss Hubbersty, daughter of Philip Hubbersty, Esq. of Wirksworth, to her cousin, H. A. Hubbersty, Esq., of Burbage House, Buxton, took place. The day opened in a very promising manner, and the neighbours were astir early in the morning, erecting garlands and other floral decorations at various places over the road leading from Mr. Hubbersty's house to the church. The hour fixed for the ceremony to take place was half-past eleven, and about eleven o' clock the streets were filled with spectators. The church was also densely crowded, every available seat being taken up immediately the doors were thrown open. The guests, who were numerous, began to arrive at the church soon after eleven o' clock, and were provided with seats in the chancel by the churchwardens. The service was performed by the father of the bridegroom, the Rev. Nathan Hubbersty, assisted by the Rev. W.H. Cantrell, rector of Bulwell, near Nottingham, and cousin to the bride. Mr. Birch presided at the organ, and played the "Marche aux Flambeaux" during the passage of the bride to the altar, and Mendelssohn's "Wedding March" as the happy couple left the church. When the bridal party passed from the church into the open air, and the organ could no longer be heard, the fine toned bells of the church burst forth with a merry peal, and continued their joyous sounds at intervals during the day. Six young ladies kindly attended with small baskets of flowers, and strewed them in the path of the bride to and from the altar. The altar itself was beautifully decorated with flowers of all kinds and colours, presenting a most lovely appearance as well as filling the church with their sweet odour. The dress of the bride was exceedingly rich, consisting of white satin, trimmed with flounces of Brussels lace, and bonques [sic] of Jasmine and orange blossom. The veil was of Brussels lace, with a wreath of orange blossom. The bridesmaids were Miss Wood, Miss Hubbersty (sister of the bridegroom), Miss Ada Hubbersty, and Miss Constance Hubbersty, all of whom wore dresses of white grenadine over blue tarlatan, and tunics looped with wide blue ribbon, tulle veils with wreaths of blue and white primulas, and gold lockets, set with turquoise, the gifts of the bride and bridegroom. The groomsmen were Mr J. Hutchinson (Hull), best man, Mr. W. P. Hubbersty, Mr. A. C. Hubbersty, and Mr. E. M. Wass. When the ceremony was over, the bridal party returned to Mr. Hubbersty's where an excellent breakfast was prepared in a spacious marquee erected for the occasion on the lawn. About a quarter to two the happy couple left for Chester, thence to North Wales, and finally to Ireland, to spend the honeymoon. The presents were very numerous and costly, consisting of jewellery, plate, articles of vertu, and other useful and ornamental gifts. In the evening a ball was gived [sic] in the marquee, at which a large and fashionable party were present. Our want of space compels us to omit the list of presents, and the names of the guests present, both at the breakfast and ball, otherwise we should have been pleased to mention them. We can only add our heartfelt wishes for their future welfare to those already numerously expressed, and say "May they be happy." Get the picture? Ruth

A late entry in to this discussion but could the second word be Mile? and I am not convinced the first word is Grooms - I think it definitely ends with an s but I do not think there are any o's there - they all look totally different in the other words - possibly Grinns or Grims - this word is open to many interpretations. One point not yet considered is the word preceding these two - is it "of"? - if so it would indicate a place name follows it. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:52 Subject: Re: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word? It couldn't be Groom's Mill, could it? The tail of the g of 'wedding' abovefogs the issue a bit.Kind regardsJoy> From: johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk> To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:25:07 +0100> Subject: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word?> > Hello Folks,> Please see www.eyemead.com/CANUHELP.htm#31 Its Problem #31 at the top.> > Can you read the last word of an inscription on a photo of a wedding which > took place in Wirksworth in 1872?> It reads> "August 7th 1872> Relatives at the Wedding of H.A.Hubbersty and F.A.Hubbersty> *******"> The last word may be the name of the place where the photo was taken.> To me it looks like "-mill" but I can find no placename in Derbyshire that > looks like the writing.> The Wedding took place on August 7th in Wirksworth, so all these people > cannot have moved far from the Church in all that heavy clothing!> The main people concerned owned Wirksworth Hall, a few yards from the Church> but the windows do not match.> > Can U help, I just can't read it.> > Hopefully,> John Palmer, Dorset, England> Author of Wirksworth website> www.wirksworth.org.uk> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Palmer wrote: > Hello folks, > Thanks for your opinions about the unknown word, > they are ever so useful. > > Thanks for the Newspaper references to the Wedding. > Could you send me links to these references? > > Bride and groom were first cousins, see my > webpage on www.wirksworth.org.uk/X645.htm > (not final version). The groom's father was assisted by the Rev Cantrell, who was the bride's cousin. A real family affair :)) FMP has two reports in their Newspaper Archive which is included in their regular sub. One is damaged but the majority of the guests names are readable. And no mention of a double wedding, just effusive descripions of the proceedings and the bride's and bridesmaid's gowns such as you'd never get in today's papers. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hello folks, Thanks for your opinions about the unknown word, they are ever so useful. Thanks for the Newspaper references to the Wedding. Could you send me links to these references? Bride and groom were first cousins, see my webpage on www.wirksworth.org.uk/X645.htm (not final version). I used my database of Wirksworth Parish Registers to search for any other marriage being held at Wirksworth Parish Church. There was none. On the wedding photo 1872, I count 23 people. Only 1 out of 10 males is NOT looking full face at the camera (the groom) Only 1 out of 13 females IS looking full face, all the others are looking down(3) or aside (9). Can this have something to do with the status of women 141 years ago??? Can anyone (in a few words) describe the dress adopted in mid-Victorian times by (the height of the British Empire). Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

Yes, Charani, these are my thoughts as well. I, too, was thinking of a double wedding. Maybe the newspaper report of the marriage might throw some light on the matter. Christine -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 04 May 2013 18:09 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word?‏‏ Joy Hungerford wrote: > With respect, the writer has added a dot to the i in 'relations' and > 'wedding,' but not in the last word. So this is unlikely to be 'niece.' I agree it's unlikely to be 'niece' but not because there's no dot over the 'i' (that would rule out 'mill' as well). The groom's father was a clergyman. He would have known an uncle/niece marriage was one of the forbidden degrees. Then again, the picture seems to show more than one bride, so maybe it was a double wedding and the groom's niece also married at the same time. If that were so, I would have thought she would have been named, unless the person who wrote the caption had forgotten the niece's name. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a full report on this marriage in the Derby Mercury dated 14 Aug 1872 Prunella

Having looked at the 1871 census, it seems as though Frances Augusta was the niece of Nathan Hubbersty. She was living with the family in Eastwell in 1871. That does mean she was a first cousin of the groom though... John Kirkland Chester, England Joy Hungerford wrote: > With respect, the writer has added a dot to the i in 'relations' and > 'wedding,' but not in the last word. So this is unlikely to be 'niece.' I agree it's unlikely to be 'niece' but not because there's no dot over the 'i' (that would rule out 'mill' as well). The groom's father was a clergyman. He would have known an uncle/niece marriage was one of the forbidden degrees.

There is a full report about this marriage in the Derby Mercury dated 14 Aug 1872. Prunella

You're right, Charani. It'll be interesting to see what John thinks. Kind regards Joy ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 18:09:22 +0100 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word?‏‏ > > Joy Hungerford wrote: >> With respect, the writer has added a dot to the i in 'relations' and >> 'wedding,' but not in the last word. So this is unlikely to be 'niece.' > > I agree it's unlikely to be 'niece' but not because there's no dot > over the 'i' (that would rule out 'mill' as well). The groom's father > was a clergyman. He would have known an uncle/niece marriage was one > of the forbidden degrees. > > Then again, the picture seems to show more than one bride, so maybe it > was a double wedding and the groom's niece also married at the same > time. If that were so, I would have thought she would have been > named, unless the person who wrote the caption had forgotten the > niece's name. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joy Hungerford wrote: > With respect, the writer has added a dot to the i in 'relations' and > 'wedding,' but not in the last word. So this is unlikely to be 'niece.' I agree it's unlikely to be 'niece' but not because there's no dot over the 'i' (that would rule out 'mill' as well). The groom's father was a clergyman. He would have known an uncle/niece marriage was one of the forbidden degrees. Then again, the picture seems to show more than one bride, so maybe it was a double wedding and the groom's niece also married at the same time. If that were so, I would have thought she would have been named, unless the person who wrote the caption had forgotten the niece's name. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

With respect, the writer has added a dot to the i in 'relations' and  'wedding,' but not in the last word. So this is unlikely to be 'niece.' Kind regards Joy

Marriage notice: Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald 17 Aug 1872: At Wirksworth Aug 7th, Rev Nathan Hubbersty MA, father of the bridgegroom Henry Alfred Hubbersty Esq of Buxton to Francis Augusta, only daughter of Philip Hubbersty of Wirksworth. I do think first word is Groom. I think second one is either Mill or Niece (as have been suggested). Maybe they're suggesting Francis Augusta was the groom's niece! Nickie

Hi again John Just took a look in the marriage indexes and saw that Henry A Hubbersty married Frances A Hubbersty so the initials are correct and it's not a 'U' as I thought. The writer, though, seems to do his capital A's differently! Christine

Hi John Could it be Groom's niece? Looking at the photo, there seems to be more than one wedding taking place. The 'and' sign in between H U Hubbersty & F A Hubbersty seems to be the same just before the words you can't read, hence Relative(s) at the Wedding of H U Hubbersty & F. A Hubbersty & Grooms niece. Also, to me, it looks like H U Hubbersty and H A Hubbersty. Hope this helps as we all see things a little differently! Christine -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Palmer Sent: 04 May 2013 12:25 To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] HUBBERSTY - Can you read the word? Hello Folks, Please see www.eyemead.com/CANUHELP.htm#31 Its Problem #31 at the top. Can you read the last word of an inscription on a photo of a wedding which took place in Wirksworth in 1872? It reads "August 7th 1872 Relatives at the Wedding of H.A.Hubbersty and F.A.Hubbersty *******" The last word may be the name of the place where the photo was taken. To me it looks like "-mill" but I can find no placename in Derbyshire that looks like the writing. The Wedding took place on August 7th in Wirksworth, so all these people cannot have moved far from the Church in all that heavy clothing! The main people concerned owned Wirksworth Hall, a few yards from the Church but the windows do not match. Can U help, I just can't read it. Hopefully, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Palmer wrote: > Hello Folks, > The last word may be the name of the place where the photo was taken. > To me it looks like "-mill" but I can find no placename in Derbyshire that > looks like the writing. I'm with Joy and Alison on this: that it's Grooms-mill. Could it be a mill that has been renamed? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

. . . also the 'o' in 'relations' shows the writer to be disinclined to do nice, round letters. Just a thought. Kind regards Joy