Mike Fry wrote: > Er, lots of MARRIOTTs all over the East Midlands :-) It's just the Derbyshire ones that count :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

OSBISTON/OSBASTON/OSBESTON always. I have a clear line to 1712 then my Millicent disappears-she had two illegitimate boys (Bradley 1712/14) but no sign of her birth or father. I know where and when she dies (Hulland) and what happened to her boys but I can't get to the generation she came from. I'm also aware of Osbistons around central Derbyshire including some wills from Hognaston in the 1600s and a big will dispute at Sutton on the Haill in 1670, but no clear link to them- so the line is broken at Millicent. Barbara  ________________________________ From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 12:28 Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - MNO I've grouped these letters together because I'm not sure there'll be too many on any of them.  Now you'll prove me wrong <G> I have some that are enticingly close: Notts, Staffs, Leics, so not eligible for this list.  Those that are are post WWI. Over to you all.  Who are your brickwalls with surnames beginning M, N or O? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton,  Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've grouped these letters together because I'm not sure there'll be too many on any of them. Now you'll prove me wrong <G> I have some that are enticingly close: Notts, Staffs, Leics, so not eligible for this list. Those that are are post WWI. Over to you all. Who are your brickwalls with surnames beginning M, N or O? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

On this day of the FA Cup I thought the group might be interested to hear about a search the FA is doing to discover descendents of its founding fathers. Also as Chesterfield was an original member, it may be that some of them came from Derbyshire. Eight men drafted the original laws of the Football Association in 1863 and we know their names. The FA will invite their descendants to a special ceremony at Wembley in October this year (150 years on). So if you might be one, it's worth looking and I'd love to know if any come from Derbyshire. Of course it could also apply to other lists so by all means pass this on, Barbara They are:_ Ebenezer Cobb Morely, Arthur Pember, Charles William Alcock, Francis Maule Campbell, John Forster Alcock, Herbert Thomas Steward, George Twizell Wawn, and James Turner.   The link to the FA is foundingfathers@thefa,com.  

Karen this is a ref from the Yesterday's Journey site - if you contact Michael (there is a contact button on the main page - just called "Michael" he can usually get you a copy - he will tell you how much it is and will send to you on receipt of payment. I have obtained things from him that were referred to on this site - it a really easy way to get hold of such useful info.   You can also find his contact details at the bottom of the Information Pages - button for which is on the left hand side of the main page. hope this helps Sue in newark  ________________________________ ------------------------------------- On Wednesday, 1 May 2013,  Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: I have a removal order for Samuel England and his wife Amy (presumably Parks), and children William, Ann and John the removal order is R46 1817 Long Eaton to Ilkeston  that I printed off from an online source - How do I go about getting a copy of the actual order? ------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen Most of these have been filmed by the LDS, so you should be able to order the film (via the LDS Library Catalogue) from your nearest LDS FH Library and view and print the original. In the Library Catalogue (www.familysearch.org) choose the "old search" and in a Keyword search "parish chest ilkeston" brings up the relevant film number[s]. (Nothing under Long Eaton, but I see that it was a chapelry in the Parish of Sawley, which does have some parish chest records). Ilkeston Parish Chest: Settlement papers, 1705-1827 Settlement examinations, 1702-1794 Removal orders, 1703-1826 Bastardy cases, 1732-1824 Apprenticeships, 1731-1817 Miscellaneous, 1800 FHL BRITISH Film 1702630 Items 13-18 You need to order the above film (1702630). NB: The record should be a Removal Order from Sawley parish chest records, and a Settlement Certificate or Settlement Examination in Ilkeston parish chest. Good luck! Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm ------------------------------------- On Wednesday, 1 May 2013, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: I have a removal order for Samuel England and his wife Amy (presumably Parks), and children William, Ann and John the removal order is R46 1817 Long Eaton to Ilkeston that I printed off from an online source - How do I go about getting a copy of the actual order? ------------------------------

Hi Geraldine Here are the only AIMES etc baptisms and burials from St Peter's, Stapenhill - before Newhall became a separate chapelry. Baptisms: AIMES Hannah Henry & Mary Newhall 20 Sep 1776 AIMES James Henry & Mary Newhall 25 Mar 1782 AIMES Mary Henry & Mary Newhall 14 Jan 1785 AIMES Joseph Henry & Mary Newhall 10 Apr 1787 AIMES Jane Henry & Mary Newhall 2 Jun 1789 AIMES William Henry & Mary Newhall 16 Jan 1791 AIMES George Henry & Mary Newhall 22 Dec 1792 AIMES William Henry & Mary Newhall 29 May 1794 AIMS Elisabeth Henry & Mary Newhall 17 Jul 1796 HAMES Sarah James & Deborah Newhall 11 Mar 1810 Burials: AIMS William Newhall 15 May 1794 Son of Henry & Mary HAMES Ann Newhall 26 May 1807 Wife of James HAMES Elisabeth Newhall 7 Jul 1806 Dau of Henery & Mary HANES Mary Newhall 5 Mar 1805 Dau of Enery & *Ann* There were also HAINES in Stapenhill (in Cauldwell, not Newhall) - mainly at the end of C17. Newhall would appear to be consistent. You will need to check the original PRs (microfilm at DRO) as the LDS has filmed only the BTs. The above have come from a transcript, so it's possible that the mother of Mary, bur 1805, should have been Mary rather than Ann, and the name HAMES, rather than HANES. (Even then, they could have been wrongly entered in the register - human error in the original). I realise that this has only given you more problems to sort out, but hope it may help in the long run! Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Stapenhill Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/StapOPC.htm ------------------------------ On Mon, 6 May 2013, "Geraldine Bancroft" <f-history@pipersrise.plus.com> wrote: I?m looking for Mary HAIMES born 1781 in Newhall or Swadlincote (different places of birth on 1851 & 1861) Census. Only baptism that might be her is on Stapenhill baptisms on the web but in 1785 with surname AIMES. Mary married my 4g grandfather William WALTON in 1808 in Church Gresley.

Hello List Next WATSON / NORTON brick wall! The younger William WATSON (chr Stapenhill, 1825) was son of William WATSON (bur Stapenhill 1829) and Rebecca / Rebekah NORTON, who married in Stapenhill in 1823. (Subject of my previous posting). William WATSON jnr married Mary Ann NORTON (born c1830, Drakelow, d/o John NORTON & Mary, nee GOODWIN, my 2x gt-grandparents). John NORTON was Rebecca's older brother, so William jnr and Mary Ann were 1st cousins. In 1841, after the death of her own mother, 11-yr-old Mary Ann was living with her widowed Aunt Rebecca and family, as a female servant. In 1851 she was a dressmaker, back with her father and youngest siblings. My brickwall is that I cannot find their marriage - obviously missing from the GRO index. (I have the birth certificate of one of their children, as proof of this marriage). Time frame narrowed down to between 18 Feb 1854 (when, as Mary Ann NORTON, she was a witness to her sister Maria's marriage) and the birth of her oldest child, Fanny / Frances WATSON, 3 Feb 1855. Out of Mary Ann's seven married siblings, 4 married in a General Baptist chapel, and one as an Independent. This marriage was probably also General Baptist. Of those who married as General Baptists, most took place in Burton on Trent (Sts), while one was in Derby, and - given that they were based in Stapenhill - I'm looking between the two counties and the two different register offices. To help narrow it down, has anybody come across this marriage in Derbyshire, please? And does anybody know if Derby and/or Burton Register Offices take credit card payment? (From NZ it costs around as much to purchase a money order as it does to purchase a certificate, so that's not an option for me). Kind regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Cauldwell Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/cauldindex.htm East Midlands General Baptist History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm

Hello Derbyshire List Background: My 3x gt-aunt, Rebecca / Rebekah NORTON, (born Cauldwell, Stapenhill psh, c 1800/1), married William WATSON in St Peter's, Stapenhill, 13 Oct 1823. 4 known children: William (chr Jan 1825, St Peter's, Stapenhill) Mary Ann (b c1826; m Robt BAKEWELL, 1855); Frances / Fanny (b c 1827; m Oliver Thorniloe BROWN, 1848) Joseph (b c 1829; d 1886, Wolverhampton) (NB: Stapenhill, Dby = Burton on Trent, Sts, Registration District) In 1841 [HO 107/192_09, En Dist 10, Fol 7, Page 9] there was no sign of her husband, William WATSON, so presumably Rebecca (shown as "farmer") was already a widow. (A William WATSON, age 50, was buried Stapenhill 1829. Ties in with the birth of the last child - ie there were no further children). In 1851 [HO 107 / 2011, Burton Registration District, Gresley SubDistrict, Fol 616A, Schedule 126], still in Stapenhill, oldest son, William WATSON (25, then unmarried), was head of the household, with Rebecca (50), "Mama", showing as widow and housekeeper. Rebecca WATSON then "disappears". No sign of her in 1861 or subsequent census; no sign of her marriage or death in GRO indexes. NB: A Rebecca WATSON m Wm APPLEBY, Burton RD, 1861. The 1871 census shows her age as 35, so she can be discounted. Also, the death of a Rebecca WATSON, age 59, was registered in Belper in 1857. I have purchased this certificate - she was widow of Peter WATSON, a cotton factory employee, so also the wrong person There is also a Rebecca WATSON, b Castle Gresley c1810, residing in Burton on Trent, who died in Burton in 1892. This Rebecca was widow of Henry WATSON, joiner, b Stapenhill. Again, the wrong person. There is, however, an 1855 Wolverhampton marriage of a Rebecca WATSON & John PEPPER but no further (1861, 1871 census, death or probate index) sighting for this Rebecca. (My Rebecca's younger sister, Martha LOVATT, had moved with her husband and family from Stretton to Wolverhampton, so this marriage has possibilities). I know that there are huge gaps in the GRO marriage indexes, and presumably birth & death indexes as well. Can anybody find any likely PR marriage, from 1851, for a Rebecca/Rebekah WATSON, wid, with age near that of the year, please? Alternatively, any sign of a Rebecca/Rebekah WATSON burial, after March 1851? Rebecca's NORTON family was responsible for having established a General Baptist Chapel and burial ground in Cauldwell c1760s, so many family records will have been connected to General Baptist churches. (Cauldwell and Burton on Trent GB registers were destroyed in a fire in Burton in the 1960s). However, around mid C19, most branches gradually drifted back to the established church. While pre-1837 marriages had to take place in the C of E, after that date they may have taken place in nonconformist churches or register offices, so a later marriage for Rebecca would not be restricted to a C of E, and could well have taken place in a General Baptist church in Derbyshire. And her burial might well have been in Cauldwell General Baptist burial ground. If so, those records have not survived. Any other help / suggestions gratefully accepted. Kind regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Cauldwell Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/cauldindex.htm East Midlands General Baptist History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm

Ok - thankyou I have just come across an interesting scenario - I have a William England father of Mary 1698 Greasely, Esther 1700 stone, Sarah 1697 stone, John 1695 stone - how far is Stone from Alfreton???? as I think I am onto something - only because my lot was so "thing" about names - William son of John - could be John son of William which means John could have married in stone about the age of 21 and then gave birth to my william in 1717 - Karen On 9 May 2013 20:44, ann <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hello Karen, > national archives have several documents for ENGLAND, > might be worth searching yorkshire and wills > > this is one document they have > > Copy probate of will of George England of Heck, farmer DDCL/2437 1864-1866 > > > These documents are held at East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service > > 1 Item > Contents: > Executors and trustees: Thomas England and John England Beneficiaries: wife and children Witnesses: Hugh Jennings and George Dickens Marples Date of will: 2 May 1864 > Date of grant: 29 Oct 1866 > > aileen > > > > Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying 'I can't' > > > > ________________________________ > From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:51 > Subject: [DBY] John ENGLAND > > > Hi a ll - > > I am well and truly stuck on John England father of William born 9th > January 1717 in Alfreton - William then later married Sarah Bugg in 1740 - > details of which I have > > I have found a JOHN ENGLAND p. lowdown in Notts married in 1716 - problem > is I don't know if this is the right England as no other particulars was > recorded on William's baptism - it just John - Derby has ruled out that > there was no other children baptised by John in Alfreton > > I don't know who John England is I don't know if he is from Notts or > another part of Derby - but I am desperate to find out who he married and > if he had another children as I am well and truly stuck - > > So anyone who can help I would well and truly appreciate it > > Cheers Karen > Queensland > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> Date: 9 May 2013 19:58 Subject: Re: [DBY] Brothers or Cousins To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Celia - Thankyou for the information but I have those marriages not sure if I have the others that you mentioned, but I am after the children Thanks Karen On 9 May 2013 19:36, Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi again Karen, in the transcript of Nottinghamshire Archdeaconry Marriage > Licences to 1700 (which you can get from English Parish Registers): > > 8 Dec 1621 - Thomas ENGLAND of Caythorpe, parish Lowdham, husbandman & > Dorothie MAFIELD otp St Peter's Nottm, spinster - to marry at St Peter's > > 3 Jul 1630 - Robert INGLAND of Lowdham husbandman & Anne PIKE otp St Mary's > Nottm spinster - to marry at St Mary's > > I don't find the other two you've listed in this list, but there are others > there you haven't listed. > > Cheers, Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK > > On 9 May 2013 09:01, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Part 2 of my frustration - > > > > I have 4 marriages listed - 3 of which are in Notts but I don't know if > > they are brothers or cousins or NOT related > > > > Any details with regard to their parents/children would be very helpful - > > > > Bryan England & Ellin Satarfield - Alfreton, 1627 (Ellin had Condor listed > > against her name) > > > > John England and Elyzabeth Northe - St Mary's Notts - 20 Jan 1612 > > > > Robert England (Ingland) & Ane Pike St Mary's Notts - 3 July 1630 (I don't > > know if Ingland is actually a spelling mistake as Ingland is in fact a > > surname on its own) - but it was a marriage that I was given > > > > and Thomas England & Dorothie Masfield (I have at least 3 different > > spellings of her surname) 8 Dec 1622 St Peters Notts > > > > > > Again I don't know if their origin is Derby and they crossed the border to > > get married - > > > > gawd my lot is so frustrating!!! > > > > Karen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> Date: 9 May 2013 19:01 Subject: Re: [DBY] children of - To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Many thanks to the following people Jack Richards Barbara Cocker Dave Johnson Your assistance was greatly appreciated - I was able to cross another England off the list.... yay!! Karen On 9 May 2013 01:41, Dave Johnson <deejayono@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Karen, > > The Parish register of St Mary's Church, Ilkeston shows that Thomas Cocker > and Ellena/Elenor England were married there on June 3rd 1616. > > Their son John was buried there on Jul 13th 1617 (no baptism) > Son George was baptised Jul 26th 1618. > Alice was baptised Jan 17th 1620/21. > Ann was baptised Mar 21st 1623/24 > > Ellena was buried on Dec 14th 1664. > A Thomas Cocker was buried Jan 5th 1666/67. > > Best wishes, > Dave Johnson. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen" <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:21 AM > Subject: [DBY] children of - > > > > Thomas Cocker and Ellena England married 11 Oct 1614 in Ilkeston - if > > possible I would like the names of their children please > > > > many thanks Karen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Celia - you have now given me another piece of puzzle to play with ..lol Elias born about 1725 - which part of derbyshire Unknown - as he is not on the Alfreton baptism register - On the Diocese of Lichfield and Coventry - his residence is listed as Greenhill Lane Alfreton - Is anyone able to give me any more details eg b/m and d Many thanks Karen

Many thanks to the following people Jack Richards Barbara Cocker Dave Johnson Your assistance was greatly appreciated - I was able to cross another England off the list.... yay!! Karen On 9 May 2013 01:41, Dave Johnson <deejayono@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Karen, > > The Parish register of St Mary's Church, Ilkeston shows that Thomas Cocker > and Ellena/Elenor England were married there on June 3rd 1616. > > Their son John was buried there on Jul 13th 1617 (no baptism) > Son George was baptised Jul 26th 1618. > Alice was baptised Jan 17th 1620/21. > Ann was baptised Mar 21st 1623/24 > > Ellena was buried on Dec 14th 1664. > A Thomas Cocker was buried Jan 5th 1666/67. > > Best wishes, > Dave Johnson. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen" <kaehansen28@gmail.com> > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:21 AM > Subject: [DBY] children of - > > > > Thomas Cocker and Ellena England married 11 Oct 1614 in Ilkeston - if > > possible I would like the names of their children please > > > > many thanks Karen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Part 2 of my frustration - I have 4 marriages listed - 3 of which are in Notts but I don't know if they are brothers or cousins or NOT related Any details with regard to their parents/children would be very helpful - Bryan England & Ellin Satarfield - Alfreton, 1627 (Ellin had Condor listed against her name) John England and Elyzabeth Northe - St Mary's Notts - 20 Jan 1612 Robert England (Ingland) & Ane Pike St Mary's Notts - 3 July 1630 (I don't know if Ingland is actually a spelling mistake as Ingland is in fact a surname on its own) - but it was a marriage that I was given and Thomas England & Dorothie Masfield (I have at least 3 different spellings of her surname) 8 Dec 1622 St Peters Notts Again I don't know if their origin is Derby and they crossed the border to get married - gawd my lot is so frustrating!!! Karen

Hi a ll - I am well and truly stuck on John England father of William born 9th January 1717 in Alfreton - William then later married Sarah Bugg in 1740 - details of which I have I have found a JOHN ENGLAND p. lowdown in Notts married in 1716 - problem is I don't know if this is the right England as no other particulars was recorded on William's baptism - it just John - Derby has ruled out that there was no other children baptised by John in Alfreton I don't know who John England is I don't know if he is from Notts or another part of Derby - but I am desperate to find out who he married and if he had another children as I am well and truly stuck - So anyone who can help I would well and truly appreciate it Cheers Karen Queensland Australia

Greenhill Lane is in Riddings which is about 3 miles from Alfreton. There are (today) parish churches at Riddings, Somercotes - both nearer than Alfreton also Swanwick. There is also Ironville nearby and Selston in Notts within a few miles. Any of these could have baptisms if they were there early enough. Peter On 09/05/2013 11:33, Karen wrote: > Many thanks to Celia - you have now given me another piece of puzzle > to play with ..lol > > Elias born about 1725 - which part of derbyshire Unknown - as he is > not on the Alfreton baptism register - > > On the Diocese of Lichfield and Coventry - his residence is listed as > Greenhill Lane Alfreton - > > Is anyone able to give me any more details eg b/m and d > > Many thanks Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Karen, if you check the free indexes at BMD Registers www.bmdregisters.co.uk for Elias ENGLAND, you find he was the father of a Dorothy ENGLAND of Eastwood, Notts who in 1696 married Thomas BIGGS of Nottingham, recorded in the Quarterly Meeting of Nottingham, ie. the Quakers. Among the witnesses are: John ENGLAND; George ENGLAND; David ENGLAND. It doesn't look as though Elias was a long-term Quaker himself, but there could be more information about him in the Quaker collection at Notts Archives. BMDR index also shows a Quaker marriage in Chesterfield Monthly Meeting for Elizabeth ENGLAND in 1691. Looking at the original image on The Genealogist, we find she married William DAWS of Graisley, she being of Eastwood, Notts. Among the witnesses were Ellis and Elizab. ENGLAND, John ENGLAND, David ENGLAND. You would be able to see both marriages for yourself on film at an FHC or could request copies from Chesterfield Local Studies (or buy some credits for The Genealogist/BMD Registers). Elias/Ellis and David were both popular Puritan or Quaker names at this time. It's entirely possible that Elias's birth/bap record does not exist if his family were Puritans (ie. Presbyterians, Independents or Congregationalists) in the 1660-1689 period of persecution, as they were often forced to meet in secret and records were seldom kept. It's possible Elias was a 'friend of the Friends' not a full member, though the two girls in the marriages were, presumably, fully in unity. I have a John RENSHAW of Chesterfield and Whitwell in my files who was such a 'friend of the Friends' and probably Puritan himself (I suspect Independent) - an Edward ENGLAND yeoman of Whitwell is one of John's Will witnesses in 1706, another location close to the Notts borders. If you find you have Edward in your family, please let me know! Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 9 May 2013 11:33, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > Many thanks to Celia - you have now given me another piece of puzzle > to play with ..lol > > Elias born about 1725 - which part of derbyshire Unknown - as he is > not on the Alfreton baptism register - > > On the Diocese of Lichfield and Coventry - his residence is listed as > Greenhill Lane Alfreton - > > Is anyone able to give me any more details eg b/m and d > > Many thanks Karen > >

Hello Karen, national archives have several documents for ENGLAND, might be worth searching yorkshire and wills this is one document they have Copy probate of will of George England of Heck, farmer  DDCL/2437  1864-1866 These documents are held at East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service 1 Item Contents: Executors and trustees: Thomas England and John England Beneficiaries: wife and children Witnesses: Hugh Jennings and George Dickens Marples Date of will: 2 May 1864 Date of grant: 29 Oct 1866 aileen Nobody ever climbed a mountain by saying   'I can't' ________________________________ From: Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:51 Subject: [DBY] John ENGLAND Hi a ll - I am well and truly stuck on John England father of William born 9th January 1717 in Alfreton - William then later married Sarah Bugg in 1740 - details of which I have I have found a JOHN ENGLAND p. lowdown in Notts married in 1716 - problem is I don't know if this is the right England as no other particulars was recorded on William's baptism - it just John - Derby has ruled out that there was no other children baptised by John in Alfreton I don't know who John England is I don't know if he is from Notts or another part of Derby - but I am desperate to find out who he married and if he had another children as I am well and truly stuck - So anyone who can help I would well and truly appreciate it Cheers Karen Queensland Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 

Hi again Karen, in the transcript of Nottinghamshire Archdeaconry Marriage Licences to 1700 (which you can get from English Parish Registers): 8 Dec 1621 - Thomas ENGLAND of Caythorpe, parish Lowdham, husbandman & Dorothie MAFIELD otp St Peter's Nottm, spinster - to marry at St Peter's 3 Jul 1630 - Robert INGLAND of Lowdham husbandman & Anne PIKE otp St Mary's Nottm spinster - to marry at St Mary's I don't find the other two you've listed in this list, but there are others there you haven't listed. Cheers, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 9 May 2013 09:01, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > Part 2 of my frustration - > > I have 4 marriages listed - 3 of which are in Notts but I don't know if > they are brothers or cousins or NOT related > > Any details with regard to their parents/children would be very helpful - > > Bryan England & Ellin Satarfield - Alfreton, 1627 (Ellin had Condor listed > against her name) > > John England and Elyzabeth Northe - St Mary's Notts - 20 Jan 1612 > > Robert England (Ingland) & Ane Pike St Mary's Notts - 3 July 1630 (I don't > know if Ingland is actually a spelling mistake as Ingland is in fact a > surname on its own) - but it was a marriage that I was given > > and Thomas England & Dorothie Masfield (I have at least 3 different > spellings of her surname) 8 Dec 1622 St Peters Notts > > > Again I don't know if their origin is Derby and they crossed the border to > get married - > > gawd my lot is so frustrating!!! > > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >