Hi Rick & Harold Rick I am not sure how you know there is no admin as the list is not adoptable at present as far as I can tell, so there should be an admin The reason there is digest in the subject line is I think that Harold has entered that word Harold, as to getting digest mode, neither method suggested would work on these lists unless there has been a recent change I am unaware of To get digest you have two choices From http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/DERBYSGEN.html Either send a mail to the lists admin (first option on the above page) and ask for them to change you to digest (its a function only admin can do) OR From the above page Using the email address you are subscribed to the list with Unsubscribe from the L (list mode) address (send a blank email with unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the mail, it must be to the "request" address) Then send an email to the digest subscribing address (has D in the address) The blued email addresses in the lists home page should generate a new mail if clicked on, if not copy and paste the address into the To address field All Rootsweb lists work in the same way Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14-Nov-16 12:23 AM, Rick H. wrote: > > How do I get the submissions in the Digest format for my email? > > Harold, > > If your subject lines contain DerbysGen Digest ... then you are already > there. > > To answer your specific question you could send a request to the server > itself requesting you be changed to a Digest distribution. So send an > email (from your registered email account) to [email protected] > > with the subject and body containing only > 'Set digest' > > This may require a password, that the listserver software should send you > periodically, but I did not have this when I sent a command so possibly not? > >

I thought being in the 'digest' version of this list meant only periodic email. Suddenly I'm getting many a day....?

The Duke of Deveonshire would have been the landowner for most of the parish of Church Broughton. See:   The Andrews Pages : Church Broughton, Derbyshire : Kelly's Directory, 1891       Lou | | | The Andrews Pages : Church Broughton, Derbyshire : Kelly's Directory, 1891 Description of the parish of Church Broughton, Derbyshire. Includes names of advertisers, with addresses. | | | Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:08:10 -0000 From: "Ruth Genda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] Gravenhurst, Church Broughton, Moorcroft Hi Jane, Fallow land called Gravenhurst is mentioned as part of a Church Broughton Estate in an Auction Sale in the Derby Mercury of 26 September 1838.  The literal meaning of the word 'Gravenhurst' is that it may have been at one time a wooded hill. Do you know who your ancestor's landlords were - quite literally, the Lord who owned the village of Church Broughton, the land on which the house was built or the pasture let?  The National Archives website here: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ should be able to provide you with that information, but unfortunately it's got the hump this morning and not giving any info out at all - or it may be my computer that isn't playing. If that particular Lord of the Manor's descendants donated the family's records to a Record Office (as many have) then you may be able to find out a lot more re your ancestors movements, what they did, what monies were paid to whom and why (rent, rates, wages, etc.)  Lots of information to be had this way so do give it a try.  However, bear in mind that many L of the M's hang on to their own archives so cross your fingers and hopefully you'll get lucky. By the by, there is also an interesting article 'A Birmingham Emigrants Experiences in Canada' in the Derby Mercury of 18 August 1875 with regard to a village named Gravenhurst where there were free grant lands available. There is often a connection when naming new towns and villages/homesteads etc.  Just a thought. Cheers, Ruth

And now this: The National Archives website (now working normally) shows that Derby Record Office holds this document: Title: Examination of Thomas Blood, labourer concerning his work done for widow Morecroft of Church Broughton and the wages paid to him. Reference: Q/SB/2/777 Date: 7 June 1720 Held by: Derbyshire Record Office, not available at The National Archives Language: English You could email Derby RO for a copy. It may well give you more context for Gravenhurst (the house and land). Ruth

> How do I get the submissions in the Digest format for my email? Harold, If your subject lines contain DerbysGen Digest ... then you are already there. To answer your specific question you could send a request to the server itself requesting you be changed to a Digest distribution. So send an email (from your registered email account) to [email protected] with the subject and body containing only 'Set digest' This may require a password, that the listserver software should send you periodically, but I did not have this when I sent a command so possibly not? If the above doesn't work then send an 'unsubscribe' request (subject and body) to the same email address, followed later by a 'subscribe digest' message to the server (no quotes of course). To be a little broader - this list, since the reemergence, has been delivering me 1 message per email (just like a non-digest form) BUT each email says 'DerbysGen Digest Vol x Issue Y' in the subject and also includes a Digest Footer. I looked at other restarted digest emails I get and more than one message is delivered per email. This list is on a different server however, so I am guessing that the server or perhaps the list itself has some global settings that governs what threshold triggers a digest mailing. This list also does not have a listed administrator so maybe that has something to do with the situation? \s\Rick --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

There is a Brampton Old and New website that comes up after a google search for Froggatt Families. The Editor says "I am building a searchable database of those who are recorded as having lived and worked there. Their one point in common is that they have contributed in some way to the life of these communities." The website is also showcased as an example on a Wordpress theme X website. Unfortunately there are 21 Froggatts on the website who do not qualify to be there. There are 5 Froggatts who qualify for inclusion but several others who would qualify are missing. Non qualifiers. Arthur born 1887 in Brampton married Gertrude and moved to Morton. Benjamin born Baslow 1843 moved around a lot and farmed at Hasland and Taton Benjamin born Old Brampton 1871. Known to me as Uncle Ben who had a grocer's shop in Whittington. Elizabeth born Baslow1831 married Martin Slack and lived in Barlow Frances born Old Brampton 1869. Married Frank White and lived in Ormskirk Frank born Old Brampton 1883. Married Mary Bradshaw lived in Chesterfield and Staveley George born Old Brampton 1879. Married Lois ward and lived in Morton. Harriett born Baslow1837. Died aged 2 at Robin Hood Farm Jason born 1885 Old Brampton. Lived in Chesterfield ( Cemetry Superintendant Martha Born Baslow 1836. Married George Goddard lived in Stoy Middleton, Beighto and Eckington. Mary Ann born 1833 Baslow. Married bookbinder John Proctor. Lived Spencer Street Chesterfield. Mary ann born 1862 Old Brampton. Married Benjamin Stevenson lived in Shelford Notts. Edward Ned born1864 Old Bramptom. Lived in Morton Robert born 1805 Baslow. Lived and died at Robin hood Farm Robert born 1877 Old Brampton. Lived in Chesterfield then moved to Morton Robert Fisher Froggatt born Wadshelf. Brought up in Baslow. Lived in Belper. Samuel born 1881 Old Brampton. Lived in Morton Selina born Baslow m1847. Married Aaron Pearson and lived in Newark Notts William born 1829 Baslow. Lived and dies at Robin Hood Farm. William borm 1866 Old Brampton. Worked for the Duke of Devonshire. Lived at Darley Dale Qualifiers Elizabeth known as Lizzie born Old Brampton 1890. Lived Eastnoor and Wadshelf. Jane sister of Elizabeth. Married cousin Beb Froggatt and lived in Wigley. Jason born Baslow 1805. Lived Eastmoor and Stonelow. john born Old Brampton. A bit of a recluse. Eventually worked in Derby where he died Samuel born Baslow 1845. Lived in Wadshelf. Semi qualifier. My grandfather Charles born 1874 Old Brampton. Lived in Chesterfield from the age of 16. As a local preacher he chaired meetings and services at Wadshelf. Other qualifiers - The Froggatts of Wadshelf who were Builders- from the Moorside line Hezekiah born Robin Hood son of Jason. Married Sarah Adlington. They lived in Wadshelf and I believe had a shop. I hope this helps all those who, like me, have been confused by what they found on Brampton Old and New. Jennifer Nicholas nee Froggatt.

As from yesterday, I'm having to rethink my ideas about the death of my Alfreton GF, Henry Thomas (Harry) COX. We knew he was posted as missing and believed killed on 7 June 1917, the first day of the Battle of Messines. Last night, I was sent a newspaper cutting - The Courier, Sat 28 July 1917, in which grave concerns were raised about Harry's safety. He was last seen in the first line of trenches, but he and his comrade did not answer the roll call on the day following the great mine explosion, and nobody saw him killed or wounded. The huge explosion was caused by British troops and took place in tunnels which had been excavated under the village of Messines. The joint explosion of the mines at Messines, which created 19 large craters, ranks among the largest non-nuclear explosions<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions> of all time and took place between 7 and 14 June. As you can see, nearly two months later, my GM was no nearer in finding out what happened to her husband. And I am reeling from the shock of finding out that my GF died by what you might call friendly fire. RIP, Grandad. Kind regards Joy

Jane, And then there is an advertisement in the Derby Mercury of 13 December 1792 which explains that Gravenhurst is the name of a house and small-holding known as Gravenhurst 'situate in Church Broughton' and in the occupation of John Moorcroft who 'will shew the premises.' So it is a house with 9 acres of land and not a place. If this house is still in existence it's likely that it will have changed its name and maybe more than once. Ruth

Hi Jane, Fallow land called Gravenhurst is mentioned as part of a Church Broughton Estate in an Auction Sale in the Derby Mercury of 26 September 1838. The literal meaning of the word 'Gravenhurst' is that it may have been at one time a wooded hill. Do you know who your ancestor's landlords were - quite literally, the Lord who owned the village of Church Broughton, the land on which the house was built or the pasture let? The National Archives website here: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ should be able to provide you with that information, but unfortunately it's got the hump this morning and not giving any info out at all - or it may be my computer that isn't playing. If that particular Lord of the Manor's descendants donated the family's records to a Record Office (as many have) then you may be able to find out a lot more re your ancestors movements, what they did, what monies were paid to whom and why (rent, rates, wages, etc.) Lots of information to be had this way so do give it a try. However, bear in mind that many L of the M's hang on to their own archives so cross your fingers and hopefully you'll get lucky. By the by, there is also an interesting article 'A Birmingham Emigrants Experiences in Canada' in the Derby Mercury of 18 August 1875 with regard to a village named Gravenhurst where there were free grant lands available. There is often a connection when naming new towns and villages/homesteads etc. Just a thought. Cheers, Ruth

I have no definite location for Gravenhurst but can offer the following which may be helpful. Looking at an image of the 1841 Census I have found a John and Martha MOORCROFT at Gravenhurst, this is on FMP, going to the previous page there is a family living at Crowfoot, if this was the previous place the enumerator visited then it may help to point to Gravenhursts location. Crowfoot is a very tiny hamlet about 1 mile west of Church Broughton, 2 or 3 properties remain, the main one being Crowfoot Kennels. Looking at a map of around 1900 I could not find any mention of Gravenhurst though. Hope this helps in some way Regards Henry Griffiths

Can anyone help to shed light on this name please .. ?? Appears to link / connect with Derbyshire in some way. Sorry to be so vague - but this is all there is to work with. Thank you for reading this message Maree in NZ

There is a Church Broughton website, perhaps if you contacted them someone might be able to help. Joan -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jane JAMES Sent: 11 November 2016 14:26 To: derbysgen Subject: [DBY] Gravenhurst, Church Broughton, Moorcroft Hi Can anyone give me a grid reference for Gravenhurst at Church Broughton? My MOORCROFT/ MORECROFT ancestors lived there as tenants for most of the 19th century and I would like to locate the site. I have looked at the OS maps but not had any joy. I suspect I will need to check out tithe/enclosure/estate maps, but thought some of you knowledgeable people might know. Thanks Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be 'Wadshelf'? (Depending on the hand that the word was written in.) Philip Marsh Sent from iPhone > On 11 Nov 2016, at 22:32, Maree de Hauterive <[email protected]> wrote: > > Can anyone help to shed light on this name please .. ?? > > Appears to link / connect with Derbyshire in some way. > > Sorry to be so vague - but this is all there is to work with. > > Thank you for reading this message > > Maree in NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Maree I entered Shevaldisheff in Google and there are two entries regarding that name which mention members of that family and Derbyshire. I hope you'll find them of interest and of help to you. Regards Marion Sent from my iPad > On 11 Nov 2016, at 22:32, Maree de Hauterive <[email protected]> wrote: > > Can anyone help to shed light on this name please .. ?? > > Appears to link / connect with Derbyshire in some way. > > Sorry to be so vague - but this is all there is to work with. > > Thank you for reading this message > > Maree in NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Can anyone give me a grid reference for Gravenhurst at Church Broughton? My MOORCROFT/ MORECROFT ancestors lived there as tenants for most of the 19th century and I would like to locate the site. I have looked at the OS maps but not had any joy. I suspect I will need to check out tithe/enclosure/estate maps, but thought some of you knowledgeable people might know. Thanks Jane

On this important day - remembering: James Robert GASKILL of Disley who lost his life 3 May 1916 Albert GASKILL of Disley, his brother, who lost his life 27/28 Nov 1918 James Herbert EDWARDS of Chapel Milton who lost his life 15 Sep 1917 Thomas EDWARDS of Chapel Milton, his brother, who lost his life 3 Aug 1922 as a result of TB contracted in the army John Ralph WIGLEY of Mellor who lost his life 6 Jun 1943 Joel Thomas BAMFORD who lost his life 14 May 1944 We do remember them. Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

In Remembrance of my grandfather Thomas George YOELL and connected family members who gave their lives that we may be free Also all those family members, to numerous to mention here that served their Country Thomas George Yoell Private M2/189877 Army Service Corps Unit : "G" Siege Park attd. VII Corps Heavy Artillery Age: 39 Died 24th November 1918 Son of Edwin and Charlotte Yoell, of "Carolgate," Retford, Notts; husband of Edith Caroline Yoell, of The Bungalow, Horsemoor Green, Langley, Bucks. Estate Agent. Grave Reference VIII. C. 38. Cemetery Busigny Communal Cemetery Extension Lawrence Ovington Serjeant 5714 4th Bn Yorkshire Regiment Age: 25 Died 16th November 1916 Son of Ralph Stephenson Ovington and Mary Ann Ovington, of 42, Tavistock St. Middlesbrough. Grave Reference Sp. Mem. C. 22. Cemetery Bazentin-Le-Petit Communal Cemetery Extension Richard John Seymour Gunner 125265 "D" Bty. 157th Bde. Royal Field Artillery Age: 19 Died 28th January 1917 Son of John and Julia Seymour, of Ash Cottage, Langley, Slough, Bucks. Grave Reference II. C. 23. Cemetery Faubourg D'Amiens Cemetery Arras Also his cousin V.A.D. nurse Florence Margaret SEYMOUR died September 1914 Daughter of Arthur Seymour & Fanny Maria nee Wells Malcolm Graeme Maccoll Nationality: Australian Private 5927 18th Bn Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Age: 46 Died 3rd May 1917 Son of the Rev. Malcolm MacColl and Maria Cecilia MacColl, of "Hillview," Harvey St., Yoker, North Glasgow Scotland. Born at Camberwell, London England. Grave Reference III. K. 6. Cemetery Arras Road Cemetery, Roclincourt ----------------------------- De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour 1914-1918 Malcolm Graeme MACCOLL 2nd Lieut 18th Battn. Australian Imperial Force, 2nd s of the late Rev Malcolm Maccoll, Rector of St Columba Yoker, by his wife, Maria C. (2 Harvey Street, Yoker), dau. of George Anderson, of Demerara; b. Camberwell, London, S.E., 3 April 1871; educ. Merchant Taylors School, and Victoria College Jersey; served in the South African War 1899 - 1902 in the Queensland 3rd Contingent; took part in the relief of Mafeking, and later transferred to the Cape Mounted Police. On the outbreak of war he obtained a commission in the Natal Light Horse, and served through the German South West Africa Campaign; afterwards joined the Expeditionary Force in France and Flanders, and was killed in action at Bullecourt 3 May, 1917; unm. Archie Hurst Private 72087 1st/5th Bn. Devonshire Regiment Age: 18 Died 30th September 1918 Son of Arthur and Amy Hurst of 65, Rue de L'eglise, A'Fromelennes, pras Givet, Ardennes, France. Native of Leicester. Grave Reference II. A. 14. Cemetery Masnieres British Cemetery, Marcoing Charles William Bull Serjeant 15205 8th Bn North Staffordshire Regiment Died 18th January 1916 Grave Reference II. M. 6. Cemetery St Vaast Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue Graham Powell Private 14919 9th Bn Leicestershire Regiment Died 25th September 1916 Grave Reference Pier and Face 2 C and 3 A. Memorial Theipval Memorial Heathcote Wyndham Nationality: Australian Lieutenant 38th Bn Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Age: 44 Died 17th July 1917 Son of Hugh and Celia Wyndham; husband of G. Wyndham, of Westholm, Inverell, New South Wales. Grave II. C. 27. Cemetery Kandahar Farm Cemetery Percy Irvine Haylock Owen Second Lieutenant Died 22nd September 1917 Age: 26 Australian Infantry, A.I.F. 3rd Bn. Grave Reference: LXI. B. 9. Cemetery Tyne Cot Cemetery Son of Lt. Col. Robert Haylock Owen, C.M.G., and Hilda Grace Owen of Morton Grange, Thornbury, Glos., England. Native of Gibraltar. Charles Wesley Proud Lyth Serjeant 42535 76th Company Machine Gun Corps Age: 30 Died 5th May 1917 Husband of Carrie Lyth, of 73, Falsgrave Rd., Scarborough. Grave Reference: Bay 10. Memorial Arras Memorial Lawrence Edward F Siddons Private 9582 1st Bn The King's (Liverpool Regiment) Age: 23 Died 19th May 1915 Son of Nelson Fearn Siddons and Ellen Jane Siddons, of 225, Stockbrook St., Derby; husband of Adelaide Ann Stacey (formerly Siddons). Grave Reference Panels 6 to 8. Memorial Le Touret Memorial John Barr Anderson Driver 119421 Royal Army Service Corps Age: 23 Died 17th November 1942 Son of George Ernest Anderson, and of Janet Anderson Anderson, of St. Mawes, Cornwall. Of British Guiana. Grave Reference 1. D. 6. Cemetery Knightsbridge War Cemetery, Acroma Felix Bernard Grigioni Sergeant 1119682 (Flt. Engr.) 97 Sqdn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Age: 36 Died 2nd January 1944 Husband of Laura Grey, of Wallasey, Cheshire. Grave Reference 6. A. 20. Cemetery Rheinberg War Cemetery In Flanders Fields In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. (Major John McCrae - 3rd May 1915) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi everyone, It is great to be able to once again communicate with like minded people. Derbyshire Record Office is holding an information session 'A Beginners Guide to Copyright' on Tueday 15 November at 2pm. £3 entry fee payable at the door. I hope this helps researchers, unfortunately it is a bit far for me to attend - I wish. Happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore 2480 Australia

I would like to remember my Great Uncle John Thomas Frisby, who died on the 1 October 1915 in the Battle of Loos. He is buried in Cabaret-Rouge Cemetery Souchez. If anyone reading this is related to John Thomas Frisby (born Ilkeston) I would love to hear from you. Linda

Yessssssss! ________________________________ From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> Sent: 09 November 2016 17:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Testing - MARTIN of Ockbrook You lost your bet ;-) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message