Hi Nivard Yes I think its good to update after doing something new, that way we all can learn a bit! Lin In a message dated 07/02/2017 17:21:35 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lin Glad to hear it all went well Thank you also for the update which will no doubt help others who also have concerns Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07-Feb-17 5:16 PM, Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I received the email today to say that I was now eligible for the free > upgrade so took the plunge! It was a scary at first as I thought it wasn't > going to work but just left it alone for half an hour, came back to the > computer and all finished. The only thing that took a bit of time to work out, > was how to get the tile onto the computer but it simply appeared on its own > eventually. > > So 'mission accomplished'! Thank you to all of you who offered advice and > support, as always much appreciated. > > Lin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received the email today to say that I was now eligible for the free upgrade so took the plunge! It was a scary at first as I thought it wasn't going to work but just left it alone for half an hour, came back to the computer and all finished. The only thing that took a bit of time to work out, was how to get the tile onto the computer but it simply appeared on its own eventually. So 'mission accomplished'! Thank you to all of you who offered advice and support, as always much appreciated. Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 20:13:42 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Bob Thank you, that's very reassuring Bob. Will have a look at it tomorrow. Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 20:09:13 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Lin I upgraded some time ago with absolutely no problems whatsoever. On the website there are detailed instructions on how to perform the upgrade - follow them and all will be well. Bob -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN Sent: 06 February 2017 16:28 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Free upgrade to FTM 2014.1 by Mackiev Hi Nivard Thank you for your prompt reply, and your advice is most useful. Yes I have everything backed up and the programme are trees are on the desktop and my laptop. I will also contact the FTM-Tech list as you suggest. I'll let you know how I get on! I'm always grateful to the members of the list as there is always someone ready and willing to help or give advice, and it is much appreciated. Regards, Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 16:06:00 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lin Firstly you should have full back ups of all your data, regardless of any upgrade, therefore they wouldn't be touched anyway Upgrades to the program should not touch or change the data but back ups are the key >From what I have seen no one has had a problem in the upgrade and benefited in the process I would recommend subbing to FTM-Tech list and ask again there as there are long time users on there who will tell you the facts as it is It is generally always best to upgrade to the latest if at all possible as that is the latest working program with usually most of the wrinkles ironed out Where I have seen people say they have had a problem with various software, its invariably user error that caused the problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06-Feb-17 3:55 PM, Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi > > I've just received the email saying I can now update my FTM 2014 to > FTM 2014.1. I just wondered if anyone on the list has already done > this or is it > safer not to bother? I don't want to lose my trees in the process, > so any > advice would be welcome. > > Regards > > Lin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried Dusty Docs? http://www.dustydocs.com/county/1/england/8/derbyshire.html Anne -----Original Message----- From: Joan M via DERBYSGEN Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 5:30 AM To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: Joan M Subject: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! Joan -----Original Message----- From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Can't find birth or death Hi, In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on the bible page. Thanks Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lin I upgraded some time ago with absolutely no problems whatsoever. On the website there are detailed instructions on how to perform the upgrade - follow them and all will be well. Bob -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN Sent: 06 February 2017 16:28 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Free upgrade to FTM 2014.1 by Mackiev Hi Nivard Thank you for your prompt reply, and your advice is most useful. Yes I have everything backed up and the programme are trees are on the desktop and my laptop. I will also contact the FTM-Tech list as you suggest. I'll let you know how I get on! I'm always grateful to the members of the list as there is always someone ready and willing to help or give advice, and it is much appreciated. Regards, Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 16:06:00 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lin Firstly you should have full back ups of all your data, regardless of any upgrade, therefore they wouldn't be touched anyway Upgrades to the program should not touch or change the data but back ups are the key >From what I have seen no one has had a problem in the upgrade and benefited in the process I would recommend subbing to FTM-Tech list and ask again there as there are long time users on there who will tell you the facts as it is It is generally always best to upgrade to the latest if at all possible as that is the latest working program with usually most of the wrinkles ironed out Where I have seen people say they have had a problem with various software, its invariably user error that caused the problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06-Feb-17 3:55 PM, Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi > > I've just received the email saying I can now update my FTM 2014 to > FTM 2014.1. I just wondered if anyone on the list has already done > this or is it > safer not to bother? I don't want to lose my trees in the process, > so any > advice would be welcome. > > Regards > > Lin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lin Firstly you should have full back ups of all your data, regardless of any upgrade, therefore they wouldn't be touched anyway Upgrades to the program should not touch or change the data but back ups are the key From what I have seen no one has had a problem in the upgrade and benefited in the process I would recommend subbing to FTM-Tech list and ask again there as there are long time users on there who will tell you the facts as it is It is generally always best to upgrade to the latest if at all possible as that is the latest working program with usually most of the wrinkles ironed out Where I have seen people say they have had a problem with various software, its invariably user error that caused the problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06-Feb-17 3:55 PM, Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi > > I've just received the email saying I can now update my FTM 2014 to FTM > 2014.1. I just wondered if anyone on the list has already done this or is it > safer not to bother? I don't want to lose my trees in the process, so any > advice would be welcome. > > Regards > > Lin

Hi Bob Thank you, that's very reassuring Bob. Will have a look at it tomorrow. Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 20:09:13 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Lin I upgraded some time ago with absolutely no problems whatsoever. On the website there are detailed instructions on how to perform the upgrade - follow them and all will be well. Bob -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN Sent: 06 February 2017 16:28 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Free upgrade to FTM 2014.1 by Mackiev Hi Nivard Thank you for your prompt reply, and your advice is most useful. Yes I have everything backed up and the programme are trees are on the desktop and my laptop. I will also contact the FTM-Tech list as you suggest. I'll let you know how I get on! I'm always grateful to the members of the list as there is always someone ready and willing to help or give advice, and it is much appreciated. Regards, Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 16:06:00 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lin Firstly you should have full back ups of all your data, regardless of any upgrade, therefore they wouldn't be touched anyway Upgrades to the program should not touch or change the data but back ups are the key >From what I have seen no one has had a problem in the upgrade and benefited in the process I would recommend subbing to FTM-Tech list and ask again there as there are long time users on there who will tell you the facts as it is It is generally always best to upgrade to the latest if at all possible as that is the latest working program with usually most of the wrinkles ironed out Where I have seen people say they have had a problem with various software, its invariably user error that caused the problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06-Feb-17 3:55 PM, Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi > > I've just received the email saying I can now update my FTM 2014 to > FTM 2014.1. I just wondered if anyone on the list has already done > this or is it > safer not to bother? I don't want to lose my trees in the process, > so any > advice would be welcome. > > Regards > > Lin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard Thank you for your prompt reply, and your advice is most useful. Yes I have everything backed up and the programme are trees are on the desktop and my laptop. I will also contact the FTM-Tech list as you suggest. I'll let you know how I get on! I'm always grateful to the members of the list as there is always someone ready and willing to help or give advice, and it is much appreciated. Regards, Lin In a message dated 06/02/2017 16:06:00 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lin Firstly you should have full back ups of all your data, regardless of any upgrade, therefore they wouldn't be touched anyway Upgrades to the program should not touch or change the data but back ups are the key >From what I have seen no one has had a problem in the upgrade and benefited in the process I would recommend subbing to FTM-Tech list and ask again there as there are long time users on there who will tell you the facts as it is It is generally always best to upgrade to the latest if at all possible as that is the latest working program with usually most of the wrinkles ironed out Where I have seen people say they have had a problem with various software, its invariably user error that caused the problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06-Feb-17 3:55 PM, Lcsearch3528--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi > > I've just received the email saying I can now update my FTM 2014 to FTM > 2014.1. I just wondered if anyone on the list has already done this or is it > safer not to bother? I don't want to lose my trees in the process, so any > advice would be welcome. > > Regards > > Lin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I've just received the email saying I can now update my FTM 2014 to FTM 2014.1. I just wondered if anyone on the list has already done this or is it safer not to bother? I don't want to lose my trees in the process, so any advice would be welcome. Regards Lin

A slight correction to Margaret's input. The GRO indexes are searchable in 5 year slices (any year +/-2 ) e.g 1845 +/2 = 1843-1847 inclusive. Eric Millward

Hi Christine, That's a brother. Based on the bible he was born on the 24th August and was then buried on the 26th. However both the birth and death are registered and in the GRO index. Thanks Joan -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of christinesimpson via DERBYSGEN Sent: 05 February 2017 13:51 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: christinesimpson Subject: Re: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Hi Joan I found some Kirk Ireton burials done by Mike Spencer after looking on GENUKI and checked for the burial of a baby Wheeldon from the birth in 1845 until the 1851 census. I found the following entry and wonder if it is your 'baby' Wheeldon. 26 Aug 1849 William WHEELDON Ireton Wood inf There is no other information given but it might be a strong possibility. Christine -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan M via DERBYSGEN Sent: 05 February 2017 10:30 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: Joan M Subject: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! Joan -----Original Message----- From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Can't find birth or death Hi, In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on the bible page. Thanks Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret You can actually search the GRO site in 5 year slices - the year you input +/- 2 years. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Margaret Siudek Subject: Re: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Hi Joan have you tried the GRO indexes? You can now search online, and see the date at death, which obviously narrows your search- though you can only search in 2 year 'slices' at a time. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp sadly Kirk Ireton burials have not yet been transcribed in Free REG. Margaret On 05/02/2017 10:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have > access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a > still > born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the > moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have > the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no > baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in > if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! > > Joan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 > To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' > Subject: Can't find birth or death > > Hi, > > In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, > father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living > in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth > or > death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his > brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't > registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on > the bible page. > > Thanks > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carole, Thanks, but I have tried that. Kind regards Joan -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of carole williams via DERBYSGEN Sent: 05 February 2017 13:38 To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: carole williams Subject: Re: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Have you also tried UKBMD? Carole Sent from my iPhone > >> On 05/02/2017 10:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't >> have access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there >> is a still born burial around that date and also I don't have access >> to FMP at the moment although I have done a search and no records are >> showing. I do have the baptisms for all the other siblings so it >> looks as if there is no baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first >> name would have been added in if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! >> >> Joan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 >> To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' >> Subject: Can't find birth or death >> >> Hi, >> >> In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar >> 1845, father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 >> and living in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find >> either a birth or death registration and there is no mention in the >> 1851 census, just his brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any >> reason that a birth/death isn't registered - the GRO index has all >> subsequent siblings who were listed on the bible page. >> >> Thanks >> >> Joan >> >> >>

Hi Margaret, Yes thanks, I have but no joy. I'm beginning to think that it must have been a stillbirth as I'm sure the bible would have been amended. Kind regards Joan -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN Sent: 05 February 2017 10:53 To: [email protected] Cc: Margaret Siudek Subject: Re: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Hi Joan have you tried the GRO indexes? You can now search online, and see the date at death, which obviously narrows your search- though you can only search in 2 year 'slices' at a time. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp sadly Kirk Ireton burials have not yet been transcribed in Free REG. Margaret On 05/02/2017 10:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't > have access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there > is a still born burial around that date and also I don't have access > to FMP at the moment although I have done a search and no records are > showing. I do have the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks > as if there is no baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name > would have been added in if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! > > Joan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 > To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' > Subject: Can't find birth or death > > Hi, > > In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar > 1845, father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 > and living in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find > either a birth or death registration and there is no mention in the > 1851 census, just his brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason > that a birth/death isn't registered - the GRO index has all subsequent > siblings who were listed on the bible page. > > Thanks > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan I found some Kirk Ireton burials done by Mike Spencer after looking on GENUKI and checked for the burial of a baby Wheeldon from the birth in 1845 until the 1851 census. I found the following entry and wonder if it is your 'baby' Wheeldon. 26 Aug 1849 William WHEELDON Ireton Wood inf There is no other information given but it might be a strong possibility. Christine -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan M via DERBYSGEN Sent: 05 February 2017 10:30 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: Joan M Subject: [DBY] FW: Can't find birth or death Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! Joan -----Original Message----- From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Can't find birth or death Hi, In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on the bible page. Thanks Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-req[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan If the family (in the person of the person who wrote the names in the Bible) didn't know the name of the child, doesn't that imply there was never a name and that the child was stillborn? I've looked at cemetery records and from time to time, there are quite a number of entries with 'stillborn' as the only name. Your query might be unanswerable.. Margaret > On 5 Feb 2017, at 13:38, carole williams <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have you also tried UKBMD? Carole > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 5 Feb 2017, at 10:53, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Joan >> >> have you tried the GRO indexes? You can now search online, and see the >> date at death, which obviously narrows your search- though you can only >> search in 2 year 'slices' at a time. >> >> https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp >> >> sadly Kirk Ireton burials have not yet been transcribed in Free REG. >> >> >> Margaret >> >> >>> On 05/02/2017 10:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>> Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have >>> access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still >>> born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the >>> moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have >>> the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no >>> baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in >>> if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 >>> To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' >>> Subject: Can't find birth or death >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, >>> father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living >>> in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or >>> death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his >>> brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't >>> registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on >>> the bible page. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you also tried UKBMD? Carole Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Feb 2017, at 10:53, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Joan > > have you tried the GRO indexes? You can now search online, and see the > date at death, which obviously narrows your search- though you can only > search in 2 year 'slices' at a time. > > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp > > sadly Kirk Ireton burials have not yet been transcribed in Free REG. > > > Margaret > > >> On 05/02/2017 10:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have >> access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still >> born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the >> moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have >> the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no >> baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in >> if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! >> >> Joan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 >> To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' >> Subject: Can't find birth or death >> >> Hi, >> >> In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, >> father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living >> in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or >> death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his >> brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't >> registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on >> the bible page. >> >> Thanks >> >> Joan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan have you tried the GRO indexes? You can now search online, and see the date at death, which obviously narrows your search- though you can only search in 2 year 'slices' at a time. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp sadly Kirk Ireton burials have not yet been transcribed in Free REG. Margaret On 05/02/2017 10:30, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have > access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still > born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the > moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have > the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no > baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in > if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! > > Joan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 > To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' > Subject: Can't find birth or death > > Hi, > > In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, > father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living > in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or > death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his > brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't > registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on > the bible page. > > Thanks > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you everybody for your input and help. Unfortunately I don't have access to the Kirk Ireton parish records so can't check if there is a still born burial around that date and also I don't have access to FMP at the moment although I have done a search and no records are showing. I do have the baptisms for all the other siblings so it looks as if there is no baptism either. I'm almost sure that a first name would have been added in if one was ever given. I fear it will remain a mystery!! Joan -----Original Message----- From: Joan M [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 February 2017 15:38 To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Can't find birth or death Hi, In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on the bible page. Thanks Joan

Hi Maree Thanks for your support and useful suggestion. The Catherine you refer to was baptised 1802 in Snelston and is the daughter of George Gadsby and Catherine. They baptised 11 children between the years 1778 and 1802. Snelston is only a few miles from Cubley so it is worth looking there. We have the name Catherine in this family but the d.o.b. does not fit. I previously assumed Catharine Gadsby c1776 Cubley was widowed (because of her age when she married Thomas Dickin). Having said that I cannot find a marriage record to support this and my DNA test does not support it either. My brick wall still stands even with the support of modern science! Thanks Stephen Burns

Hi Joan As there is no birth reg or death reg, it suggests the child may have been a stillborn Stillbirths were not officially recorded until 1927 The non naming also might suggest it didn't survive Have you checked the parish registers, I have found plenty recorded as stillborn in the burials, but it does vary by parish as to whether they were recorded It was the early days of civil registration so its possible both birth and death were missed but usually one or other was done Or a clerical error means it wasn't passed to the GRO or was but mistranscribed But my money would be on a stillbirth Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04-Feb-17 10:27 AM, meg--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > Hi, > > In a family bible I have a child called 'baby' WHEELDON, born 31 Mar 1845, > father Edwin WHEELDON and mother Mary Hannah HEAPY married 1843 and living > in the Kirk Ireton/Ireton Wood area. However I can't find either a birth or > death registration and there is no mention in the 1851 census, just his > brother John Heapy WHEELDON. Is there any reason that a birth/death isn't > registered - the GRO index has all subsequent siblings who were listed on > the bible page. > > Thanks > > Joan