One of the meanings of Susceptares is Guardian so could they be the God Parents? Meg Galley-Taylor -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 09 April 2017 08:01 To: [email protected] Subject: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 91 Send DERBYSGEN mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/derbysgen or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DERBYSGEN digest..." When replying always change the subject line to that of the individual message which you are responding to. Please "SNIP" generously, don't repeat everything again. Including everything will inflate the size of the next Digest unnecessarily and could create problems for those who are not on broadband. Today's Topics: 1. Baslow Parish Register 1691 - help reading it needed (Rosemary Probert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 17:54:29 +0100 From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> To: Derbyshire Mailing List <[email protected]> Subject: [DBY] Baslow Parish Register 1691 - help reading it needed Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Evening All, I am trying to read and understand an entry in Baslow Parish Register on FamilySearch: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XT-L83D?i=4&wc=34JX-N3F%3A15811599 03%2C1581162701%2C1581163205&cc=1911752 The entry I'm interested in is the 9th one down on the right hand page and concerns the baptism of Bartholomeus VICKERS, son of Bartholomei VICKERS of Baslow on the 26th December 1691 - that bit I understand. But what follows? ?? Ego et Bromehead Suscep.ares et Domina Eliz FROGGATT Suscephr.e Help would be appreciated Rosemary

Evening All, I am trying to read and understand an entry in Baslow Parish Register on FamilySearch: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XT-L83D?i=4&wc=34JX-N3F%3A1581159903%2C1581162701%2C1581163205&cc=1911752 The entry I'm interested in is the 9th one down on the right hand page and concerns the baptism of Bartholomeus VICKERS, son of Bartholomei VICKERS of Baslow on the 26th December 1691 - that bit I understand. But what follows? ?? Ego et Bromehead Suscep.ares et Domina Eliz FROGGATT Suscephr.e Help would be appreciated Rosemary

Hi Nick, Thank you for the update, one still needs to have an account and sign in, all free and easy to do, happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore 2480 Australia

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Thanks Margaret, that makes sense. Kind regards Joan -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN Sent: 04 April 2017 16:39 To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Margaret Siudek Subject: Re: [DBY] Copledale Hi Joan I traced it to Coplow Dale - which seems to be the modern spelling.. Bartholomew Bagshaw is reported in family search born in Little Hucklow, with a christening in Hope. But when I googled Little Hucklow, Coplow Dale is marked close by. Margaret On 04/04/2017 16:18, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: Hi, I have several BAGSHAWs born c1730 - 1740 whose place of birth is give as Copledale which appears to be near Hope. However, I can't find a map with Copledale on when I Google - does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have several BAGSHAWs born c1730 - 1740 whose place of birth is give as Copledale which appears to be near Hope. However, I can't find a map with Copledale on when I Google - does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Joan

Hi Joan I traced it to Coplow Dale - which seems to be the modern spelling.. Bartholomew Bagshaw is reported in family search born in Little Hucklow, with a christening in Hope. But when I googled Little Hucklow, Coplow Dale is marked close by. Margaret On 04/04/2017 16:18, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: Hi, I have several BAGSHAWs born c1730 - 1740 whose place of birth is give as Copledale which appears to be near Hope. However, I can't find a map with Copledale on when I Google - does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joan, I am part of the Bagshaw family from Kniveton, have you found any connection to this branch? Regards. Irene > On 4 Apr 2017, at 16:19, Joan M via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have several BAGSHAWs born c1730 - 1740 whose place of birth is give as > Copledale which appears to be near Hope. However, I can't find a map with > Copledale on when I Google - does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, *Since I have some answers to our questions I thought I'd fill you in.* 1. Re. David Moore, Curator of the Sir John Rhŷs Conference 2015. I received this reply eventually from Dr. Maredudd ap Huw. "I am replying to your email, dated 7 March, in which you enquire about the John Rhŷs archive, and associated activities, here at the National Library of Wales. As you may already be aware, access to the archive is by means of the online catalogue, which is available at https://archives.library.wales/index.php/sir-john-rhys-papers-2 The only published biography of Rhŷs is that by T.H. Parry-Williams, John Rhŷs 1840-1915 (Cardiff, University of Wales Press, 1954). A number of individuals used the archive before and after the 2015 conference, and one of the contributors to the programme, Dr T. Robin Chapman, has been considering writing a biography of Rhŷs (https://www.aber.ac.uk/en/cymraeg/staff-profiles/listing/profile/ttc). We are aware that staff in the Department of Welsh & Celtic Studies at Aberystwyth University are editing the proceedings of the 2015 conferences, which will appear (in Welsh) sometime during 2017. More information may be obtained by contacting the Head of that Department. Professor Angela John’s lecture on Myvanwy and Olwen Rhŷs will be appearing this year in her book of essays, entitled ‘Rocking the Boat. Welsh Women who Championed Equality 1840-1990’. Researchers continue to make use of the archive. We are not aware that it is the focus of a thesis by a registered research student at the present time. Yours sincerely Dr Maredudd ap Huw Curator of Manuscripts (and one of the organisers of the 2015 John Rhŷs celebrations)" *After a decent Google search I found that Dr. David Moore is no longer at the National Library of Wales but is now a 'free-lance' art curator. No point in contacting him!* * 2. My dear daughter in London did an internet hunt and found a copy of the Welsh book we spoke about - Cofio'r Dafydd: Cymdeithas ap Gwilym 1886-1986 - that was cheaper than bus fare and photocopying. It probably helps that her husband seems to know all the good second-hand book places in London and who specializes in what! That was published in 1987 - nothing since. The book is sitting beside me now and does indeed look extremely useful.* * 3. We also spoke some while back about isolating one or two groups of the multitude of non-digitized sources in the John *Rhŷs *collection. After working my way through the information I have narrowed it down to a series of letters from him to a key individual from the Society. I also found a group of letters from another member to this same man. Both were 'men of letters' in addition to working as writers, publishers, historians, politicians and journalists. Very much the public faces of a broader Welsh culture - but while one looked back into history, the other looked forward to the creation of a modern Wales. Lastly, I found a non-digitized journal article listing all the members of the Society right up into recent times. So I sent in an copy request for all three. They will email me back in the next few days with a completed order form which I sign, give payment details and email back to them. From past experience their copy charges are extremely reasonable and rather than sending paper to NZ they supply me with a series of images by email.* *4. I have found Gerald Newman's 'English Nationalism' very interesting - thanks very much for suggesting I read it. It has helped shed light on the important role of what he describes as 'artist-intellectuals'. * **I'll now get back to reading, writing notes and writing. Can we schedule a Skype session for the end of April or beginning of May please? Hwyl / bye Tanya * *

You are right about those villages. I went in search of the Return for Nottinghamshire this morning, and in the book of transcriptions those 3 Derbyshire villages returns are listed as well. I photocopied the 2 pages, while I was doing the Notts village I was interested in. So if anyone has a name they are interested in, happy to look them up Margaret Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: James Stafford via DERBYSGEN<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: ‎29/‎03/‎2017 19:01 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 'Derbyshire genealogy'<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: James Stafford<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] Thanks carole Returns for Derbyshire are missing. Only for Kedleston, Pentrich and South Wingfield, I believe. James -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jodie Williams via DERBYSGEN Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 6:09 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Jodie Williams Subject: [DBY] Thanks carole But it seems all my places in Derbyshire are not there unless I am doing sometHong wrong. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I discovered the transcriptions in a book at the SoG this morning. So definitely worth a visit if you are in striking distance. Sadly confirmed my reading of the original,. My ancestor isn't in Stapleford. There an index, so i looked for the name elsewhere in the county. There were 2 so I need to follow them up. Always nice to have something to follow up. I photocopied the Stapleford page, and the photocopy included Skegby, Strelley, and Sutton in Ashfield, if anyone has a query about a name in those villages. Plus a village which was unnamed in the original, but is possibly Teversal. Thanks for the invitation about the hearth tax, Ruth. I shall pursue that too... Margaret Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ruth Genda<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: ‎01/‎04/‎2017 10:20 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTT] Protestation Returns Thank you, Margaret and Linda, for bringing this topic to our attention. I’m noting the stress! The Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire Protestation Returns were transcribed by W.F.Webster in 1980 and published by the Thoroton Society. http://www.thorotonsociety.org.uk/index.htm Copies of their Transactions can be purchased directly from them - they are cheaper if you become a member. Amazon has used copies available now for £14.99 – not much more of a cost than buying a single BMD certificate. Could be worth thinking about? WFW also transcribed the Nottinghamshire Hearth Tax 1664-1674 returns which can be bought similarly. For those unfamiliar with these transcriptions you can be assured that they are 100% reliable (or as near as dammit is to swearing) because they have been transcribed and described by palaeographers/historians. All Local Studies Centres within the County – and probably neighbouring Counties - will have copies of these particular Transactions: if they haven’t then you could suggest that they think about buying in copies. Some FHS will have them too. They are very useful to genealogists and family historians and w/should not be considered by them as idle purchases. There are other Tax records which survive in some areas, (e.g. for windows, hair powder, carriages, dogs, sheep, distressed Protestants in France/Ireland, poll books, etc. ad nauseam) so it is well worth checking with individual Record Offices and University Archives to see what is around. See here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/next_steps/adv_07_17_and_18_01.sh tml#ten and for a comprehensive list with dates see here: https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Taxation Almost all of this information will not be found on websites. Much has not yet been transcribed and put on paper even. But a lot has and can be found by asking the questions in the right places – don’t flounder around but go direct - then share what is found on Forums such as this one. Thanks again, Linda and Margaret, Ruth Notts Surname List https://www.facebook.com/groups/nottssurnames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Ruth for all the information. Derbyshire and Notts are new counties for me so you've given me personally, a lot of information that I was not aware of. I shall now lose even more days browsing and reading! Thanks Linda On 1 April 2017 at 10:19, Ruth Genda via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Margaret and Linda, for bringing this topic to our attention. > I’m noting the stress! > > The Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire Protestation Returns were transcribed by > W.F.Webster in 1980 and published by the Thoroton Society. > http://www.thorotonsociety.org.uk/index.htm Copies of their Transactions > can be purchased directly from them - they are cheaper if you become a > member. Amazon has used copies available now for £14.99 – not much more of > a cost than buying a single BMD certificate. Could be worth thinking > about? > > WFW also transcribed the Nottinghamshire Hearth Tax 1664-1674 returns which > can be bought similarly. > > For those unfamiliar with these transcriptions you can be assured that they > are 100% reliable (or as near as dammit is to swearing) because they have > been transcribed and described by palaeographers/historians. All Local > Studies Centres within the County – and probably neighbouring Counties - > will have copies of these particular Transactions: if they haven’t then you > could suggest that they think about buying in copies. Some FHS will have > them too. They are very useful to genealogists and family historians and > w/should not be considered by them as idle purchases. > > There are other Tax records which survive in some areas, (e.g. for windows, > hair powder, carriages, dogs, sheep, distressed Protestants in > France/Ireland, poll books, etc. ad nauseam) so it is well worth checking > with individual Record Offices and University Archives to see what is > around. See here: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/next_steps/adv_ > 07_17_and_18_01.sh > tml#ten > and for a comprehensive list with dates see here: > https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Taxation > > Almost all of this information will not be found on websites. Much has not > yet been transcribed and put on paper even. But a lot has and can be found > by asking the questions in the right places – don’t flounder around but go > direct - then share what is found on Forums such as this one. > > Thanks again, Linda and Margaret, > Ruth > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Margaret and Linda, for bringing this topic to our attention. I’m noting the stress! The Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire Protestation Returns were transcribed by W.F.Webster in 1980 and published by the Thoroton Society. http://www.thorotonsociety.org.uk/index.htm Copies of their Transactions can be purchased directly from them - they are cheaper if you become a member. Amazon has used copies available now for £14.99 – not much more of a cost than buying a single BMD certificate. Could be worth thinking about? WFW also transcribed the Nottinghamshire Hearth Tax 1664-1674 returns which can be bought similarly. For those unfamiliar with these transcriptions you can be assured that they are 100% reliable (or as near as dammit is to swearing) because they have been transcribed and described by palaeographers/historians. All Local Studies Centres within the County – and probably neighbouring Counties - will have copies of these particular Transactions: if they haven’t then you could suggest that they think about buying in copies. Some FHS will have them too. They are very useful to genealogists and family historians and w/should not be considered by them as idle purchases. There are other Tax records which survive in some areas, (e.g. for windows, hair powder, carriages, dogs, sheep, distressed Protestants in France/Ireland, poll books, etc. ad nauseam) so it is well worth checking with individual Record Offices and University Archives to see what is around. See here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/next_steps/adv_07_17_and_18_01.sh tml#ten and for a comprehensive list with dates see here: https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Taxation Almost all of this information will not be found on websites. Much has not yet been transcribed and put on paper even. But a lot has and can be found by asking the questions in the right places – don’t flounder around but go direct - then share what is found on Forums such as this one. Thanks again, Linda and Margaret, Ruth

Returns for Derbyshire are missing. Only for Kedleston, Pentrich and South Wingfield, I believe. James -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jodie Williams via DERBYSGEN Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 6:09 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Jodie Williams Subject: [DBY] Thanks carole But it seems all my places in Derbyshire are not there unless I am doing sometHong wrong. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

But it seems all my places in Derbyshire are not there unless I am doing sometHong wrong. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

That happened to me but they told me they were having software problems. I asked if I could go in and look at the original, but they emailed it to me.. Margaret Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: carole williams via DERBYSGEN<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: ‎27/‎03/‎2017 13:56 To: Derbyshire genealogy<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: carole williams<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? I have, of course, read the site instructions, several times. However, despite there being a record noted and a statement saying it is 'open', clicking on the link only takes me back to the beginning, not the actual record... Carole Sent from my iPad > On 26 Mar 2017, at 23:47, taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you're having trouble locating a place on search it's because it isn't > part of the records. Only about one third of counties/parishes are there! > The site does give details about this :-) > Linda > >> On 26 March 2017 at 23:41, Jodie Williams <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have tried seven differentry places in Derbyshire with no luck. Am I >> doing something wrong? >> >> Jodie >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >> >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:34, taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> The instructions on the web site are plain enough if they are read. You >> carry out a search. If the results of your search are negative in that >> place names do not appear, then it would seem that that particular parish >> or even county are not part of the record held. The information on the web >> site clearly states that the Returns are only held for about one third of >> counties. Perhpas I have been lucky in my searches but I have been able to >> access the records for a large part of Buckinghamshire, Lancashire and >> Cumberland. I am also informed by the site that the information I am >> looking for in Staffs is part of the process but is not yet held online. >> Either records being searched for are not part of the Returns or are not >> yet online. >> In time this will be a valuable resource. >> Linda >> >> On 26 March 2017 at 22:37, carole williams via DERBYSGEN < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Is there anything on this 'archives maps search' website that's not >>> available on the TNA website? >>> >>> >>> See http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ >>> returns+1642 >>> >>> >>> Carole >>> >>> The National Archives | Search results:protestation returns 1642< >>> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ >>> returns+1642> >>> discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk >>> The official archive of the UK government. Our vision is to lead and >>> transform information management, guarantee the survival of today's >>> information for tomorrow and bring history to life for everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bob Butler <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 26 March 2017 22:23 >>> To: Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected]; >>> [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Cc: carole williams >>> Subject: RE: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >>> >>> I agree - it is not very obvious what to do next - clicking on to the map >>> view does not appear to make things easier! >>> >>> A few brief tips on how to proceed would be very welcome. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Bob >>> Nottingham >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen-bounces+thebutlersandbeyond=hotmail. >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of carole williams via DERBYSGEN >>> Sent: 26 March 2017 21:21 >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> com; [email protected]; Derbyshire genealogy < >>> [email protected]> >>> Cc: carole williams <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >>> >>> I can get through to the Portcullis website ok, and find the highlighted >>> line. However, I'm lost after that.... Please could someone advise what >> to >>> do next? >>> >>> >>> Carole >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected] >>> >>> on behalf of taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 26 March 2017 16:55 >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> com; Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected] >>> Cc: taxwizzard >>> Subject: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >>> >>> I thought I would bring this new online resource to the attention of >>> anyone who doesn't subscribe to the FFHS newsletter. >>> >>> By order of the House of Commons, all adult men were asked to swear an >>> oath of allegiance to the Protestant religion in 1642. Their names were >>> duly inscribed in a list in each parish, and the list sent back to >>> Parliament. >>> In a few areas such as Cornwall, people wrote their own names, but >> usually >>> a local official wrote out all the names. The Protestation Returns >> survive >>> for about a third of English counties. >>> >>> These records are now being digitised and some parishes are even >> available >>> online. I haven't checked a lot of parishes but from the ones that I have >>> where the Returns exist some are available to view online already, >>> particularly Lancs, Cumberland and Bucks. >>> >>> Get your spectacles on to decipher the writing! The search is via a map >>> and then just click though and open the book if it is available online. >> All >>> free of charge. >>> >>> http://archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk/ >>> Home - Map Search - Parliamentary Archives<http://archivesmapsearch.labs >> . >>> parliament.uk/> >>> archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk >>> This is a prototype service which allows you to search for records from >>> the Parliament Archives online catalogue by place. There is currently one >>> set of records ... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Have fun >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are records on line so you may be able to see the transcriptions now. Good luck. Carole Sent from my iPad > On 26 Mar 2017, at 23:59, Jodie Williams via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > And these records are all held at TNA yes? Perhaps I can look at them when I am over there in May > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:42, Jodie Williams via DERBYSGEN<[email protected]> wrote: I have tried seven differentry places in Derbyshire with no luck. Am I doing something wrong? > Jodie > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:34, taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN<[email protected]> wrote: The instructions on the web site are plain enough if they are read. You > carry out a search. If the results of your search are negative in that > place names do not appear, then it would seem that that particular parish > or even county are not part of the record held. The information on the web > site clearly states that the Returns are only held for about one third of > counties. Perhpas I have been lucky in my searches but I have been able to > access the records for a large part of Buckinghamshire, Lancashire and > Cumberland. I am also informed by the site that the information I am > looking for in Staffs is part of the process but is not yet held online. > Either records being searched for are not part of the Returns or are not > yet online. > In time this will be a valuable resource. > Linda > > On 26 March 2017 at 22:37, carole williams via DERBYSGEN < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Is there anything on this 'archives maps search' website that's not >> available on the TNA website? >> >> >> See http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ >> returns+1642 >> >> >> Carole >> >> The National Archives | Search results:protestation returns 1642< >> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ >> returns+1642> >> discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk >> The official archive of the UK government. Our vision is to lead and >> transform information management, guarantee the survival of today's >> information for tomorrow and bring history to life for everyone. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Butler <[email protected]> >> Sent: 26 March 2017 22:23 >> To: Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected] >> Cc: carole williams >> Subject: RE: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >> >> I agree - it is not very obvious what to do next - clicking on to the map >> view does not appear to make things easier! >> >> A few brief tips on how to proceed would be very welcome. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Bob >> Nottingham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen-bounces+thebutlersandbeyond=hotmail. >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of carole williams via DERBYSGEN >> Sent: 26 March 2017 21:21 >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> com; [email protected]; Derbyshire genealogy < >> [email protected]> >> Cc: carole williams <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >> >> I can get through to the Portcullis website ok, and find the highlighted >> line. However, I'm lost after that.... Please could someone advise what to >> do next? >> >> >> Carole >> >> ________________________________ >> From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> >> on behalf of taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> >> Sent: 26 March 2017 16:55 >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> com; Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected] >> Cc: taxwizzard >> Subject: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >> >> I thought I would bring this new online resource to the attention of >> anyone who doesn't subscribe to the FFHS newsletter. >> >> By order of the House of Commons, all adult men were asked to swear an >> oath of allegiance to the Protestant religion in 1642. Their names were >> duly inscribed in a list in each parish, and the list sent back to >> Parliament. >> In a few areas such as Cornwall, people wrote their own names, but usually >> a local official wrote out all the names. The Protestation Returns survive >> for about a third of English counties. >> >> These records are now being digitised and some parishes are even available >> online. I haven't checked a lot of parishes but from the ones that I have >> where the Returns exist some are available to view online already, >> particularly Lancs, Cumberland and Bucks. >> >> Get your spectacles on to decipher the writing! The search is via a map >> and then just click though and open the book if it is available online. All >> free of charge. >> >> http://archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk/ >> Home - Map Search - Parliamentary Archives<http://archivesmapsearch.labs. >> parliament.uk/> >> archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk >> This is a prototype service which allows you to search for records from >> the Parliament Archives online catalogue by place. There is currently one >> set of records ... >> >> >> >> >> Have fun >> >> Linda >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have, of course, read the site instructions, several times. However, despite there being a record noted and a statement saying it is 'open', clicking on the link only takes me back to the beginning, not the actual record... Carole Sent from my iPad > On 26 Mar 2017, at 23:47, taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you're having trouble locating a place on search it's because it isn't > part of the records. Only about one third of counties/parishes are there! > The site does give details about this :-) > Linda > >> On 26 March 2017 at 23:41, Jodie Williams <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have tried seven differentry places in Derbyshire with no luck. Am I >> doing something wrong? >> >> Jodie >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >> >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:34, taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> The instructions on the web site are plain enough if they are read. You >> carry out a search. If the results of your search are negative in that >> place names do not appear, then it would seem that that particular parish >> or even county are not part of the record held. The information on the web >> site clearly states that the Returns are only held for about one third of >> counties. Perhpas I have been lucky in my searches but I have been able to >> access the records for a large part of Buckinghamshire, Lancashire and >> Cumberland. I am also informed by the site that the information I am >> looking for in Staffs is part of the process but is not yet held online. >> Either records being searched for are not part of the Returns or are not >> yet online. >> In time this will be a valuable resource. >> Linda >> >> On 26 March 2017 at 22:37, carole williams via DERBYSGEN < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Is there anything on this 'archives maps search' website that's not >>> available on the TNA website? >>> >>> >>> See http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ >>> returns+1642 >>> >>> >>> Carole >>> >>> The National Archives | Search results:protestation returns 1642< >>> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ >>> returns+1642> >>> discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk >>> The official archive of the UK government. Our vision is to lead and >>> transform information management, guarantee the survival of today's >>> information for tomorrow and bring history to life for everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bob Butler <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 26 March 2017 22:23 >>> To: Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected]; >>> [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Cc: carole williams >>> Subject: RE: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >>> >>> I agree - it is not very obvious what to do next - clicking on to the map >>> view does not appear to make things easier! >>> >>> A few brief tips on how to proceed would be very welcome. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Bob >>> Nottingham >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen-bounces+thebutlersandbeyond=hotmail. >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of carole williams via DERBYSGEN >>> Sent: 26 March 2017 21:21 >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> com; [email protected]; Derbyshire genealogy < >>> [email protected]> >>> Cc: carole williams <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >>> >>> I can get through to the Portcullis website ok, and find the highlighted >>> line. However, I'm lost after that.... Please could someone advise what >> to >>> do next? >>> >>> >>> Carole >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected] >>> >>> on behalf of taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 26 March 2017 16:55 >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> com; Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected] >>> Cc: taxwizzard >>> Subject: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? >>> >>> I thought I would bring this new online resource to the attention of >>> anyone who doesn't subscribe to the FFHS newsletter. >>> >>> By order of the House of Commons, all adult men were asked to swear an >>> oath of allegiance to the Protestant religion in 1642. Their names were >>> duly inscribed in a list in each parish, and the list sent back to >>> Parliament. >>> In a few areas such as Cornwall, people wrote their own names, but >> usually >>> a local official wrote out all the names. The Protestation Returns >> survive >>> for about a third of English counties. >>> >>> These records are now being digitised and some parishes are even >> available >>> online. I haven't checked a lot of parishes but from the ones that I have >>> where the Returns exist some are available to view online already, >>> particularly Lancs, Cumberland and Bucks. >>> >>> Get your spectacles on to decipher the writing! The search is via a map >>> and then just click though and open the book if it is available online. >> All >>> free of charge. >>> >>> http://archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk/ >>> Home - Map Search - Parliamentary Archives<http://archivesmapsearch.labs >> . >>> parliament.uk/> >>> archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk >>> This is a prototype service which allows you to search for records from >>> the Parliament Archives online catalogue by place. There is currently one >>> set of records ... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Have fun >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you're having trouble locating a place on search it's because it isn't part of the records. Only about one third of counties/parishes are there! The site does give details about this :-) Linda On 26 March 2017 at 23:41, Jodie Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > I have tried seven differentry places in Derbyshire with no luck. Am I > doing something wrong? > > Jodie > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:34, taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN > <[email protected]> wrote: > The instructions on the web site are plain enough if they are read. You > carry out a search. If the results of your search are negative in that > place names do not appear, then it would seem that that particular parish > or even county are not part of the record held. The information on the web > site clearly states that the Returns are only held for about one third of > counties. Perhpas I have been lucky in my searches but I have been able to > access the records for a large part of Buckinghamshire, Lancashire and > Cumberland. I am also informed by the site that the information I am > looking for in Staffs is part of the process but is not yet held online. > Either records being searched for are not part of the Returns or are not > yet online. > In time this will be a valuable resource. > Linda > > On 26 March 2017 at 22:37, carole williams via DERBYSGEN < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Is there anything on this 'archives maps search' website that's not > > available on the TNA website? > > > > > > See http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ > > returns+1642 > > > > > > Carole > > > > The National Archives | Search results:protestation returns 1642< > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ > > returns+1642> > > discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk > > The official archive of the UK government. Our vision is to lead and > > transform information management, guarantee the survival of today's > > information for tomorrow and bring history to life for everyone. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bob Butler <[email protected]> > > Sent: 26 March 2017 22:23 > > To: Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected]; > > [email protected]; [email protected] > > Cc: carole williams > > Subject: RE: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? > > > > I agree - it is not very obvious what to do next - clicking on to the map > > view does not appear to make things easier! > > > > A few brief tips on how to proceed would be very welcome. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob > > Nottingham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen-bounces+thebutlersandbeyond=hotmail. > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of carole williams via DERBYSGEN > > Sent: 26 March 2017 21:21 > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > com; [email protected]; Derbyshire genealogy < > > [email protected]> > > Cc: carole williams <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? > > > > I can get through to the Portcullis website ok, and find the highlighted > > line. However, I'm lost after that.... Please could someone advise what > to > > do next? > > > > > > Carole > > > > ________________________________ > > From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected] > > > > on behalf of taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> > > Sent: 26 March 2017 16:55 > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > com; Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected] > > Cc: taxwizzard > > Subject: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? > > > > I thought I would bring this new online resource to the attention of > > anyone who doesn't subscribe to the FFHS newsletter. > > > > By order of the House of Commons, all adult men were asked to swear an > > oath of allegiance to the Protestant religion in 1642. Their names were > > duly inscribed in a list in each parish, and the list sent back to > > Parliament. > > In a few areas such as Cornwall, people wrote their own names, but > usually > > a local official wrote out all the names. The Protestation Returns > survive > > for about a third of English counties. > > > > These records are now being digitised and some parishes are even > available > > online. I haven't checked a lot of parishes but from the ones that I have > > where the Returns exist some are available to view online already, > > particularly Lancs, Cumberland and Bucks. > > > > Get your spectacles on to decipher the writing! The search is via a map > > and then just click though and open the book if it is available online. > All > > free of charge. > > > > http://archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk/ > > Home - Map Search - Parliamentary Archives<http://archivesmapsearch.labs > . > > parliament.uk/> > > archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk > > This is a prototype service which allows you to search for records from > > the Parliament Archives online catalogue by place. There is currently one > > set of records ... > > > > > > > > > > Have fun > > > > Linda > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The instructions on the web site are plain enough if they are read. You carry out a search. If the results of your search are negative in that place names do not appear, then it would seem that that particular parish or even county are not part of the record held. The information on the web site clearly states that the Returns are only held for about one third of counties. Perhpas I have been lucky in my searches but I have been able to access the records for a large part of Buckinghamshire, Lancashire and Cumberland. I am also informed by the site that the information I am looking for in Staffs is part of the process but is not yet held online. Either records being searched for are not part of the Returns or are not yet online. In time this will be a valuable resource. Linda On 26 March 2017 at 22:37, carole williams via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > Is there anything on this 'archives maps search' website that's not > available on the TNA website? > > > See http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ > returns+1642 > > > Carole > > The National Archives | Search results:protestation returns 1642< > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=protestation+ > returns+1642> > discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk > The official archive of the UK government. Our vision is to lead and > transform information management, guarantee the survival of today's > information for tomorrow and bring history to life for everyone. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Butler <[email protected]> > Sent: 26 March 2017 22:23 > To: Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: carole williams > Subject: RE: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? > > I agree - it is not very obvious what to do next - clicking on to the map > view does not appear to make things easier! > > A few brief tips on how to proceed would be very welcome. > > Thanks in advance. > > Bob > Nottingham > > -----Original Message----- > From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen-bounces+thebutlersandbeyond=hotmail. > [email protected]] On Behalf Of carole williams via DERBYSGEN > Sent: 26 March 2017 21:21 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > com; [email protected]; Derbyshire genealogy < > [email protected]> > Cc: carole williams <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? > > I can get through to the Portcullis website ok, and find the highlighted > line. However, I'm lost after that.... Please could someone advise what to > do next? > > > Carole > > ________________________________ > From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> > on behalf of taxwizzard via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> > Sent: 26 March 2017 16:55 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > com; Derbyshire genealogy; [email protected] > Cc: taxwizzard > Subject: [DBY] Protestation Returns - 17th Century Census? > > I thought I would bring this new online resource to the attention of > anyone who doesn't subscribe to the FFHS newsletter. > > By order of the House of Commons, all adult men were asked to swear an > oath of allegiance to the Protestant religion in 1642. Their names were > duly inscribed in a list in each parish, and the list sent back to > Parliament. > In a few areas such as Cornwall, people wrote their own names, but usually > a local official wrote out all the names. The Protestation Returns survive > for about a third of English counties. > > These records are now being digitised and some parishes are even available > online. I haven't checked a lot of parishes but from the ones that I have > where the Returns exist some are available to view online already, > particularly Lancs, Cumberland and Bucks. > > Get your spectacles on to decipher the writing! The search is via a map > and then just click though and open the book if it is available online. All > free of charge. > > http://archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk/ > Home - Map Search - Parliamentary Archives<http://archivesmapsearch.labs. > parliament.uk/> > archivesmapsearch.labs.parliament.uk > This is a prototype service which allows you to search for records from > the Parliament Archives online catalogue by place. There is currently one > set of records ... > > > > > Have fun > > Linda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >