Thank you Margaret! Your help regarding Hasland is highly appreciated! best wishes Marie -- " *Move outside your comfort zones. Push yourselves. Expect more...Don’t let the low standards and expectations of the world and others cause you to aim beneath your nobility and ability—dream big!" ". Eline S. Dalton, "Dare Great Things".* Marie Cappart Historienne-Généalogiste [email protected] [email protected] http://www.histoires-de-familles.org http://www.rtbf.be/14-18 Facebook : Marie Cappart Histoires de Familles Twitter : Histdefamilles LinkedIn : Marie Cappart IBAN : BE20377021865756 BIC : BBRUBEBB

Over the years I have been in touch with many people regarding the village of Hasland which is near Chesterfield in Derbyshire and I have a website www.hasland.me.uk . However I have had to change my email address to [email protected] as Orange are discontinuing their email service at the end of May. I just thought I would send this message in case anyone wants to get in touch with me in the future Best Wishes Margaret (Hartshorn)

This includes Wills and Probate, in case you are searching for pre-1858 items at Lichfield Court (where Derbyshire Probates were made). ------ Original Message ------ From: "Joan M" <[email protected]> To: "'Derbyshire genealogy'" <[email protected]> Sent: 27/04/2017 09:07:17 Subject: [DBY] FMP offer >FMP offer: > >>From 10am on 27th April until midnight (London time) on Monday 1st May >Findmypast are offering free access to census and BMD records at their >UK, >Ireland, and US sites. > >

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PS her daughter Gladys's occupation was "day worker, charing" Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24-Apr-17 12:12 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > > Hi Jack > > When you find these sort of odd occupation, you need to check the original > > Where I suspect you will find its "Charing at School" (ie cleaning at a > school) > > Sarah J CLIFTON b13th Aug 1892 > > If not that entry give us enough detail to find them >

Hi Jack When you find these sort of odd occupation, you need to check the original Where I suspect you will find its "Charing at School" (ie cleaning at a school) Sarah J CLIFTON b13th Aug 1892 If not that entry give us enough detail to find them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24-Apr-17 11:53 AM, jackmrr100--- via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I found this occupation on the 1939 Register: > Chains At School; anyone have and idea what the Chains is? > > Thanks, > Jack

I found this occupation on the 1939 Register: Chains At School; anyone have and idea what the Chains is? Thanks, Jack

Hello Nivard I have been on this mailing list for a few years and your replies are always responsive, helpful & insightful.Thanks, I am sure from many. Irish connection - Michael Brady appears on the 1851 census in Nottingham with his wife Elizabeth, & teenage children Elizabeth, Mary & James, all shown as born in Ireland.By 1861 Michael is widowed, in the workhouse where he dies in 1863.Son James has been married, is widowed, has a daughter, is living in Leeds with cousins where his daughter dies later that year.Elizabeth was married in 1852 but in 1860 had a daughter with someone else.Daughter Mary has a son John in 1857 and John is shown living with his Uncle James over the next 50 years.In 1867 James again marries, to a Leeds girl Annie Bishop who is 10 years his junior.These are my g-g-grandparents. On the 1861 census Michael’s record in the workhouse shows him as born in Meath.I have not been able to identify anything of the family in Ireland.On the records there are 12 Michael Brady’s baptized in Ireland 1795 – 1805, yet there are shown to be 61 deaths of Michael Brady’s that were born in this 10 year period.This indicates only 20% of the birth records still exist, so I gave up about then, having tried in vain for a fair while trying to identify any Irish connection. After all that irrelevance, I suppose the real question was "were they Catholic", yes they were, so joining the Irish Battalion for religious comfort may have been the reason. Arthur was James’ 2^nd son, born in 1875.In 1911 he is boarding with Maria Lamb, who he marries in December 1915.It does appear that she remarries to Robert Morris in 1920. There were a total of 132 deaths in Mazingarbe between 1 July & 31 August, with Arthur being the only member of the Royal Irish Regiment buried in there.Arthur’s death is noted as being due to an accident. Makes sense given the regiment was never stationed in Mazingarbe. I have been unable to identify any enlistment or other records (except the medal records), for Arthur.I think I read somewhere the records were destroyed in WW2.For the War Diaries I have not thought to check them.Unfortunately I no longer have an ancestry subscription so will check them in the library tomorrow. Again, thanks, it is appreciated Glenn Thorpe

Thanks Nivard, I had been wondering if an email hadn't got through. Sent from Joan's iPad > On 23 Apr 2017, at 12:24, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Joan > > Not fully released as yet but imminent > > To keep up to date with progress keep an eye on > https://support.mackiev.com/498640-RELEASE-OF-FTM-2017 > > But you will get an email if you are signed up for their mailing list > > Patience is a virtue, virtue is a grace, put them both together to make a happy face ;-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 23-Apr-17 10:58 AM, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know what is happening with this? I'm all signed and paid up for >> the update but apart from an email telling me that it was delayed I haven't >> heard anything since. Have I missed something? >> >> Thanks >> >> Joan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glenn Pre 1916 a man could join more or less any regiment they wanted to, some joined as they saw the recruiting sergeant in their area or a friend was in the regt, others because they have a family link to a regiment etc BRADY being an Irish name, was there any Irish connection ? He was entitled to three medals, the 1915 Star, the British War and Victory medals, what appears to have happened is that his BWM & Vic medals were despatched to his next of kin address, and either they were returned as unwanted, or more likely the next of kin had moved in between, if unclaimed they would have been destroyed His brother it appears claimed his medals in 1927 which were received by him in 1932 Arthur BRADY left all his wages and effects to his widow Maria, did she remarry perhaps (to a Robert MORRIS in 1920?) Hence not at the same address when his medals were issued The 1915 Star medal roll shows he was in the 2nd Btn first later in the 6th What year and where was your Arthur BRADY born? As to his death, there were many accidents in training, during travel to and in France and all other fronts Have you checked the war diaries? it may not mention it but its worth checking for Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I have these notes because my grandmother's uncle, Arthur Brady, who was > born and lived in Nottingham, was somehow enlisted into this battalion & > he died in 1916. I have been curious about how a Nottingham lad ended > up in the Irish Regiment & if anyone has any information it would > appreciated. His details are: > > Arthur Brady Date of death 31 Jul 1916 Service number 7012 Rank Lance > Corporal Military Unit 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment Comments Philosophe > British Cemetery, Mazingarbe Remembered on Nottingham - St Mary's Church > War Memorial as Arthur A. Brady 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment , medal roll > gives address as 5 Island St, London Road, Notts, medal record state > "killed accidently 31/7/1916", medal records indicate 2 medals issued to > brother? > > Thank you > > Glenn Thorpe

Hi Joan Not fully released as yet but imminent To keep up to date with progress keep an eye on https://support.mackiev.com/498640-RELEASE-OF-FTM-2017 But you will get an email if you are signed up for their mailing list Patience is a virtue, virtue is a grace, put them both together to make a happy face ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23-Apr-17 10:58 AM, Joan M via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know what is happening with this? I'm all signed and paid up for > the update but apart from an email telling me that it was delayed I haven't > heard anything since. Have I missed something? > > Thanks > > Joan

Thank to everyone who responded to my query. Two regimental codes it is. Just needed to be correct, I hate errors. Need to create a new CRICH Roll of Honour, since the 2014 production, as further research has turned up over 100 new photographs, more regimental details and highlighted a couple of errors. Hope to be done by 2018. Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Apr 2017, at 01:47, Glenn via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have these notes on the 6th battalion: > > Notes on 6th Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment - as 16th Division, 47th Brigade, 14th Corps, 4th Army. 6th (Service) Battalion - 6th Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment was raised at Clonmel on the 6th of September 1914 as part of Kitchener's Second New Army and joined 47th Brigade, 16th (Irish) Division. In March 1915 one Company from the Guernsey Militia joined the battalion. They proceeded to France in December 1915, landing at le Havre and concentrating in the Bethune area. In 1916 they were in action on the Somme during the The Battle of Guillemont in which the Division captured the village and The Battle of Ginchy. In 1917 they fought at the The Battle of Messines and The Battle of Langemark, during the Third Battles of Ypres. In 1918 they were in action on the Somme 1918 suffering very heavy casualties and on the 6th of February 1918 the 6th Royal Irish was disbanded in France. > > and > > Book - The Campaigns and History of the Royal Irish Regiment VOLUME II. From 1900 to 1922 BY BR . GENERAL STANNUS GEOGHEGAN, C.B. - pages 111-121 is on 6th Batallion, has movements & actions 1915-16 incl front line rotations - The 47th Brigade again went into the line from the 17th June to the 3rd July. A very successful raid on a crater, which was being fortified by the Germans, was carried out by Lieutenant D. P. Claridge, 2nd Lieutenant R. W. Gowthorpe and :fifteen men. They succeeded in killing the sentries and surprising and bombing a large working party, who suffered heavy casualties. The battalion casualties during the sixteen days were Lieutenants D. P. Claridge, J. H. Falla, 2nd Lieute nant s R. W. Gowthorpe, O. Orosbie and 52 men wounded; 9 men killed. The next tour for the brigade was from the 11th to 31 st July and resulted in 11 men killed and 2nd Lieu- tenant T. E. Magill and 46 men wounded. > > I have these notes because my grandmother's uncle, Arthur Brady, who was born and lived in Nottingham, was somehow enlisted into this battalion & he died in 1916. I have been curious about how a Nottingham lad ended up in the Irish Regiment & if anyone has any information it would appreciated. His details are: > > Arthur Brady Date of death 31 Jul 1916 Service number 7012 Rank Lance Corporal Military Unit 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment Comments Philosophe British Cemetery, Mazingarbe Remembered on Nottingham - St Mary's Church War Memorial as Arthur A. Brady 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment , medal roll gives address as 5 Island St, London Road, Notts, medal record state "killed accidently 31/7/1916", medal records indicate 2 medals issued to brother? > > Thank you > > Glenn Thorpe > > >> >From one who is easily confused .. >> Were the Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Irish Regiment in WW1 one and the same or different Regiments? >> Google has confused me >> Peter >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Does anyone know what is happening with this? I'm all signed and paid up for the update but apart from an email telling me that it was delayed I haven't heard anything since. Have I missed something? Thanks Joan

I have these notes on the 6th battalion: Notes on 6th Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment - as 16th Division, 47th Brigade, 14th Corps, 4th Army. 6th (Service) Battalion - 6th Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment was raised at Clonmel on the 6th of September 1914 as part of Kitchener's Second New Army and joined 47th Brigade, 16th (Irish) Division. In March 1915 one Company from the Guernsey Militia joined the battalion. They proceeded to France in December 1915, landing at le Havre and concentrating in the Bethune area. In 1916 they were in action on the Somme during the The Battle of Guillemont in which the Division captured the village and The Battle of Ginchy. In 1917 they fought at the The Battle of Messines and The Battle of Langemark, during the Third Battles of Ypres. In 1918 they were in action on the Somme 1918 suffering very heavy casualties and on the 6th of February 1918 the 6th Royal Irish was disbanded in France. and Book - The Campaigns and History of the Royal Irish Regiment VOLUME II. From 1900 to 1922 BY BR . GENERAL STANNUS GEOGHEGAN, C.B. - pages 111-121 is on 6th Batallion, has movements & actions 1915-16 incl front line rotations - The 47th Brigade again went into the line from the 17th June to the 3rd July. A very successful raid on a crater, which was being fortified by the Germans, was carried out by Lieutenant D. P. Claridge, 2nd Lieutenant R. W. Gowthorpe and :fifteen men. They succeeded in killing the sentries and surprising and bombing a large working party, who suffered heavy casualties. The battalion casualties during the sixteen days were Lieutenants D. P. Claridge, J. H. Falla, 2nd Lieute nant s R. W. Gowthorpe, O. Orosbie and 52 men wounded; 9 men killed. The next tour for the brigade was from the 11th to 31 st July and resulted in 11 men killed and 2nd Lieu- tenant T. E. Magill and 46 men wounded. I have these notes because my grandmother's uncle, Arthur Brady, who was born and lived in Nottingham, was somehow enlisted into this battalion & he died in 1916. I have been curious about how a Nottingham lad ended up in the Irish Regiment & if anyone has any information it would appreciated. His details are: Arthur Brady Date of death 31 Jul 1916 Service number 7012 Rank Lance Corporal Military Unit 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment Comments Philosophe British Cemetery, Mazingarbe Remembered on Nottingham - St Mary's Church War Memorial as Arthur A. Brady 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment , medal roll gives address as 5 Island St, London Road, Notts, medal record state "killed accidently 31/7/1916", medal records indicate 2 medals issued to brother? Thank you Glenn Thorpe > >From one who is easily confused .. > Were the Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Irish Regiment in WW1 one and the same or different Regiments? > Google has confused me > Peter > > >

Hi Peter, This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Regiment_(1684%E2%80%931922) seems to show you're going to need two codes since the Rigiment was a seperate and co-existing organisation to the Rifles. Sorry about that. regards John On 2017-04-22 20:03, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Jon > Thank you for this > My “problem” is that I have one of my men recorded as being with the Royal Irish Rifles (in 1916) and another man was recorded in the Royal Irish Regiment at the same period. I am wondering whether the same Regiment or different Regiments. I use a Regimental code system and wonder whether I need two codes or just the one. > I suspect just the one but like to be sure as the code will be on the new Roll of Honour and I would hate a mistake to occur. > > Peter > > >> On 22 Apr 2017, at 18:40, John Green via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Found this @ https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/units/305/royal-irish-rifles/ >> >> The 83 and 86 Regiments of Foot were amalgamated in 1881 as part of the Childers Reforms which restructured the British army into a network of multi-battalion Regiments to become The Royal Irish Rifles. The newly formed Regiment went on to serve during the Second Boer War (1899-1902) and two World Wars. In 1921 the Regiment was renamed as the Royal Ulster Rifles. In 1968 it was amalgamated with The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers and The Royal Irish Fusiliers to form The Royal Irish Rangers. In 1992 the Regiment was further amalgamated with the Ulster Defence Regiment to form The Royal Irish Regiment. The Regiment is one of only two Irish Regiments remaining in the British Army along with the Irish Guards. >> >> HTH >> >> John >> >> >> On 2017-04-22 11:59, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>> >From one who is easily confused .. >>> Were the Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Irish Regiment in WW1 one and the same or different Regiments? >>> Google has confused me >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> . >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter This may help you make up your mind The Royal Irish Regiment http://www.1914-1918.net/rireg.htm The Royal Irish Rifles http://www.1914-1918.net/ririfles.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22-Apr-17 7:03 PM, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Jon > Thank you for this > My “problem” is that I have one of my men recorded as being with the Royal Irish Rifles (in 1916) and another man was recorded in the Royal Irish Regiment at the same period. I am wondering whether the same Regiment or different Regiments. I use a Regimental code system and wonder whether I need two codes or just the one. > I suspect just the one but like to be sure as the code will be on the new Roll of Honour and I would hate a mistake to occur. > > Peter

Hi Peter, Found this @ https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/units/305/royal-irish-rifles/ The 83 and 86 Regiments of Foot were amalgamated in 1881 as part of the Childers Reforms which restructured the British army into a network of multi-battalion Regiments to become The Royal Irish Rifles. The newly formed Regiment went on to serve during the Second Boer War (1899-1902) and two World Wars. In 1921 the Regiment was renamed as the Royal Ulster Rifles. In 1968 it was amalgamated with The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers and The Royal Irish Fusiliers to form The Royal Irish Rangers. In 1992 the Regiment was further amalgamated with the Ulster Defence Regiment to form The Royal Irish Regiment. The Regiment is one of only two Irish Regiments remaining in the British Army along with the Irish Guards. HTH John On 2017-04-22 11:59, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN wrote: > >From one who is easily confused .. > Were the Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Irish Regiment in WW1 one and the same or different Regiments? > Google has confused me > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Jon Thank you for this My “problem” is that I have one of my men recorded as being with the Royal Irish Rifles (in 1916) and another man was recorded in the Royal Irish Regiment at the same period. I am wondering whether the same Regiment or different Regiments. I use a Regimental code system and wonder whether I need two codes or just the one. I suspect just the one but like to be sure as the code will be on the new Roll of Honour and I would hate a mistake to occur. Peter > On 22 Apr 2017, at 18:40, John Green via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Found this @ https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/units/305/royal-irish-rifles/ > > The 83 and 86 Regiments of Foot were amalgamated in 1881 as part of the Childers Reforms which restructured the British army into a network of multi-battalion Regiments to become The Royal Irish Rifles. The newly formed Regiment went on to serve during the Second Boer War (1899-1902) and two World Wars. In 1921 the Regiment was renamed as the Royal Ulster Rifles. In 1968 it was amalgamated with The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers and The Royal Irish Fusiliers to form The Royal Irish Rangers. In 1992 the Regiment was further amalgamated with the Ulster Defence Regiment to form The Royal Irish Regiment. The Regiment is one of only two Irish Regiments remaining in the British Army along with the Irish Guards. > > HTH > > John > > > On 2017-04-22 11:59, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> >From one who is easily confused .. >> Were the Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Irish Regiment in WW1 one and the same or different Regiments? >> Google has confused me >> Peter >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> . >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From one who is easily confused .. Were the Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Irish Regiment in WW1 one and the same or different Regiments? Google has confused me Peter

Hello Celia There's nothing about Cromford Chapel on www.wirksworth.org, but some information in Cox Vol 2 about the somewhat nebulous history of the chapel. Nothing, however, about any records surviving. I'm going to the "Cromford Threads" conference at Cromford Mills on 6 May, so there may be someone there to ask. If any other lister is going, perhaps we could meet up? Thanks anyway. Nick ------ Original Message ------ From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: "Nick Higton" <[email protected]> Cc: "Derbyshire genealogy" <[email protected]> Sent: 18/04/2017 12:31:13 Subject: Re: [DBY] Chapelries / Chapels of Ease >Nick, I think the DRO and Lichfield JRO are the places to go for any >extant info about Cromford Bridge Chapel. Have you also checked the >Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk? There's no info about it in >the research done on clergy by Richard Clark (he kindly supplied me >clergy details for Wirksworth and its chapels up to 1670.) There might >be something in Cox's books on Derbyshire Churches? > >My guess is, that if the chapel doesn't get mentioned in DRO's guide, >it's because there are no PRs for it. I think the guide is to their PR >holdings rather than to all churches and chapels that have ever existed >in Derbyshire. > >Regards, Celia Renshaw >now in Sheffield, Yorks > >On 17 April 2017 at 21:17, Nick Higton <[email protected]> wrote: >>Hello Celia & List >> >>That's brilliant. Thanks for all the useful information. The DRO >>guide is particularly useful. >> >>You're quite correct; Winster was a chapelry of Youlgreave. >> >>One omission I noticed on the DRO list was Cromford Bridge Chapel. >>The Derbyshire Heritage website states that, by the 16th century, the >>building was in use as a parochial chapelry of Wirksworth but by the >>mid-1600s was no longer used as a place of worship. However, I have >>seen some un-referenced information to folk being buried there into >>the 18th century. >> >>Are there any records or MIs that have survived? >> >>Nick >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> >>To: "Nick Higton" <[email protected]>; "Derbyshire genealogy" >><[email protected]> >>Sent: 16/04/2017 17:16:56 >>Subject: Re: [DBY] Chapelries / Chapels of Ease >> >>>Hi Nick, I've had cause to look into this too. I believe all places >>>of >>>worship, whatever their designation, were and are licensed by the >>>relevant >>>diocesan bishop, so for Derbyshire in the past that was Lichfield & >>>Coventry Diocese. >>> >>>My experience is that there were no consistent 'rules' consistently >>>followed about how registers were kept. A chapel might have its own >>>or it >>>didn't and we find entries for events there in the mother church's >>>registers. Or it started to keep its own later. Quite often the >>>registers >>>for chapelries have not survived even when the mother church's have. >>>One >>>ongoing problem over the centuries was the lack of sufficiently >>>educated & >>>ordained ministers to fill livings as curates and vicars, so chapels >>>might >>>be 'unserved' for long stretches of time. My understanding also is >>>that >>>very often records of events, at both churches and chapels, were >>>noted on >>>'slips of paper', ie. rough notes were made, from which fair copies >>>were >>>later made into the actual registers - so that would have worked for >>>chapelries rather than the registers being hauled about. And there >>>were >>>periods when it was legally required for the incumbent to keep >>>registers >>>and others when they couldn't - separate people had to keep the >>>registers. >>> >>>You're right that different chapels had different licences for >>>performing >>>baptisms, marriages and burials - and these licences could be >>>different at >>>different historical periods. Many chapelries, and especially chapels >>>of >>>ease, had no burial ground of their own. Many could not perform >>>marriages. >>>Information on which could do what at which historical period can be >>>found >>>at record offices and at diocesan archives. For Derbyshire, the DRO >>>do a >>>pretty good job of telling you these details in their Parish Register >>>Guide, accessible online: >>>http://derbyshire.gov.uk/images/Parish%20Register%20Guide_tcm44-17013.pdf >>><http://derbyshire.gov.uk/images/Parish%20Register%20Guide_tcm44-17013.pdf>. >>>Another good guide is the National Index of Parish Registers produced >>>by >>>the Soc of Genealogists, vol 6 being Derbyshire. This includes >>>details of >>>non-conformist places of worship too (not fully comprehensive, though >>>nearly so.) >>> >>>I believe the decision about licensing a chapel would be made at >>>diocesan >>>level and I've read in the past that members of the congregation >>>might >>>lobby for that, or the incumbent might lobby to relieve pressure of >>>work >>>and so forth. All kinds of reasons. DRO's guide tells you when PRs >>>were >>>first kept and/or chapels were licensed for the first time (if known) >>>- I'm >>>guessing that any record of that happening will be at Lichfield Joint >>>Record Office. I've done a spreadsheet for myself of what churches & >>>chapels there were in Derbyshire and their status, created mostly >>>from the >>>sources I've mentioned. My spreadsheet says that Alderwasley All >>>Saints was >>>a chapel of Wirksworth and only had separate PRs from 1861. Dethick >>>(plus >>>Lea & Holloway) St John the Baptist was a chapelry in Ashover and had >>>separate PRs from 1754. I have Winster St John the Baptist as a >>>chapelry in >>>Youlgreave parish with its own PRs from 1674 (transcript now >>>available for >>>1633-74). The Guide says it became a separate parish in 1866. >>> >>>I wrote a blog article about this kind of knotty issue which might be >>>entertaining: >>>https://morgansite.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/lost-in-osmaston-or-when-is-a-parish-not-a-parish/ >>><https://morgansite.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/lost-in-osmaston-or-when-is-a-parish-not-a-parish/> >>> >>>Celia Renshaw >>>now in Sheffield, Yorks >>> >>>On 16 April 2017 at 16:42, Nick Higton via DERBYSGEN >>><[email protected] >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Can anyone point me in the right direction regarding the >>>>arrangements >>>> surrounding Chapelries, or Chapels of Ease? My interest arises out >>>>of >>>> records at Alderwasley, Winster and Dethick chapelries in the 18th >>>>and 19th >>>> centuries. >>>> >>>> In particular: >>>> 1. Were chapelries "licenced" by their Parish Church as to the >>>>rites they >>>> could (or could not) perform? Winster appears to have records for >>>>baptisms >>>> and burials, but not marriages. >>>> 2. How were the records maintained at chapelries? Was the "master" >>>>copy >>>> retained at the chapel and, if so, was a copy made in the parish >>>>church >>>> registers each year (?), so the Bishops Transcripts could be >>>>prepared? >>>> Alternatively, did the minister take a copy of the parish register >>>>with him >>>> to the chapelry when he was to perform a rite (not very likely, I >>>>would >>>> have thought)? >>>> 3. How and when was it decided whether a chapelry should become a >>>>parish >>>> church in its own right, and where is the change of status >>>>recorded? I >>>> believe that Dethick was a chapelry of Ashover, becoming a parish >>>>church >>>> in the late 19th century; Winster was a chapelry of Bakewell; >>>>whilst >>>> Alderwasley (both old and new buildings) has always been a chapel >>>>of ease. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>><mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >> >