Hi Steve Assuming Google hasn't turned anything up, I think your best bet would probably be the College of Arms. They are the people who grant arms and keep all the records. They could probably point you in the right direction. There are other website which promise arms for any surname, but I think most are doubtful. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research Margaret On 12/05/2017 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. regards Chris Bowden

Thank you Wendy, but yes I have seen this and added it to my files. I do appreciate the comment though. Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of nionon--- via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 12:24 PM To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop FYI: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Gamellus_De_Alsop_(1) Interesting. You may have already seen this. --WendyE Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Achievement of > Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six > falcon's heads on the shield. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Gamellus_De_Alsop_(1) Interesting. You may have already seen this. --WendyE Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Achievement of > Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six > falcon's heads on the shield.

I would certainly agree with that statement Nivard BUT on the other hand I would sure love to believe my story and will keep searching until I can prove it correct or possibly not. I do appreciate your comments though. Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 11:35 AM To: Steve Bowen; 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop I have found a great number of these family histories are very wordy but not always accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_(heraldry) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 4:09 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > Thanks Nivard BUT what brought me to this statement was this quote > from a history book on The Allsops: > > "Hugh de Alsop, a younger son of Gamellus, went with Richard I on the > Third Crusade (1189-91) to the Holy Land. He was captain of a company > under the command of Sir Ralph de Lyleburne, who was colonel of four > companies. The king recognized Hugh's bravery and competence by > bestowing upon him the Order of Knightbood, and as a further honor, > permitting him to select his own personal design to wear on the front > of his shield. The "Achievement of Arms" as these identifying symbols > were later known, was to have six falcon's heads on the shield. Hugh > married the niece of Sir Ralph (by his sister), the daughter of Rober > de Farington, and received lands in Derbyshire to live as a returning hero." > > Maybe this is not a Coat of Arms, I am not sure but I would still be > very interested in seeing it. > > Steve Bowen

That answers my question! Thank you so much Margaret. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 11:21 AM To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Margaret Siudek Subject: Re: [DBY] Voting age in 1865 I don't think it went by ages, but by property ownership, though I think the minimum age for those qualified in other respects was 21. This article looks clear: https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/default/files/wwwfileroot/leisure-libraries-and-tourism/electoralregistermainsbodynew.pdf Margaret On 12/05/2017 16:07, ANNE via DERBYSGEN wrote: Can anyone tell me what the voting age was in 1865. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nivard BUT what brought me to this statement was this quote from a history book on The Allsops: "Hugh de Alsop, a younger son of Gamellus, went with Richard I on the Third Crusade (1189-91) to the Holy Land. He was captain of a company under the command of Sir Ralph de Lyleburne, who was colonel of four companies. The king recognized Hugh's bravery and competence by bestowing upon him the Order of Knightbood, and as a further honor, permitting him to select his own personal design to wear on the front of his shield. The "Achievement of Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six falcon's heads on the shield. Hugh married the niece of Sir Ralph (by his sister), the daughter of Rober de Farington, and received lands in Derbyshire to live as a returning hero." Maybe this is not a Coat of Arms, I am not sure but I would still be very interested in seeing it. Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop Hi Steve Not wishing to throw cold water over your find but unfortunately there is no such thing as a family crest or family coat of arms, its awarded to one individual, if hereditary it would be slightly altered in each generation The crest is part of the coat of arms Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 2:31 PM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart > after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 > falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to > find a picture or drawing of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Fairbairn's Book of Crests should be in many libraries. David Langenberg Newark, DE, USA Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > Assuming Google hasn't turned anything up, I think your best bet would probably be the College of Arms. They are the people who grant arms and keep all the records. They could probably point you in the right direction. There are other website which promise arms for any surname, but I think most are doubtful. > > http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research > > Margaret > > > On 12/05/2017 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: > > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the > Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone > have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing > of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't know if this helps or muddies the water There is a baptism for Henry Bowden 10 Sept 1837 at Hayfield, Derbyshire. Parents Joseph & Elizabeth Bowden Hayfield is in the High Peak Registration District so this may be that particular birth. Mel Smith On 12 May 2017 at 10:18, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the > mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered whatever > happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has the details > and would it contain the fathers name? > > regards Chris Bowden > > > On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. >> In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually >> the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. >> Regards >> John >> >> On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> >>> Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of >>> Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching >>> baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Chris Bowden >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada

I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen

Could they have been former Girl Guides or Rangers. ie now members of the Trefoil Guild ? Dennis -- I now have a new email address [email protected] please send future emails to this address

Do.nt suppose they belonged to the Trefoil Guild, former Guides / Rangers. dennis On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Irene Doody via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Peter, > Don't know if it helps but I went to youth club at The Co-Op Guild in > Derby, run and financed by The Co-Operative Society. > Irene > > > On 11 May 2017, at 11:30, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > To correct my misinformation in previous email (I should go into > politics) > > Of course the Misses Hurt were long gone from Chase Cliffe by 1920! > > Peter > > > > > >> On 11 May 2017, at 10:50, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Good morning > >> If ignorance is bliss I should be very happy :-) > >> > >> I have a photo dated c 1920 which shows a group of twenty young ladies > (dare I put an age of upper teens to about 30?) > >> On the rear they are individually named with the title Girls Guild at > Chase Cliffe . > >> > >> They are clearly not Girl Guides. > >> > >> What was the Girls Guild likely to be? I presume (not based on any > knowledge) that maybe church related as Chase Cliffe where the photo was > taken was home to the Misses Hurt (significant Crich Parish and church > benefactors) > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I now have a new email address [email protected] please send future emails to this address

To correct my misinformation in previous email (I should go into politics) Of course the Misses Hurt were long gone from Chase Cliffe by 1920! Peter > On 11 May 2017, at 10:50, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good morning > If ignorance is bliss I should be very happy :-) > > I have a photo dated c 1920 which shows a group of twenty young ladies (dare I put an age of upper teens to about 30?) > On the rear they are individually named with the title Girls Guild at Chase Cliffe . > > They are clearly not Girl Guides. > > What was the Girls Guild likely to be? I presume (not based on any knowledge) that maybe church related as Chase Cliffe where the photo was taken was home to the Misses Hurt (significant Crich Parish and church benefactors) > > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning If ignorance is bliss I should be very happy :-) I have a photo dated c 1920 which shows a group of twenty young ladies (dare I put an age of upper teens to about 30?) On the rear they are individually named with the title Girls Guild at Chase Cliffe . They are clearly not Girl Guides. What was the Girls Guild likely to be? I presume (not based on any knowledge) that maybe church related as Chase Cliffe where the photo was taken was home to the Misses Hurt (significant Crich Parish and church benefactors) Peter

Hi Peter, Don't know if it helps but I went to youth club at The Co-Op Guild in Derby, run and financed by The Co-Operative Society. Irene > On 11 May 2017, at 11:30, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > To correct my misinformation in previous email (I should go into politics) > Of course the Misses Hurt were long gone from Chase Cliffe by 1920! > Peter > > >> On 11 May 2017, at 10:50, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Good morning >> If ignorance is bliss I should be very happy :-) >> >> I have a photo dated c 1920 which shows a group of twenty young ladies (dare I put an age of upper teens to about 30?) >> On the rear they are individually named with the title Girls Guild at Chase Cliffe . >> >> They are clearly not Girl Guides. >> >> What was the Girls Guild likely to be? I presume (not based on any knowledge) that maybe church related as Chase Cliffe where the photo was taken was home to the Misses Hurt (significant Crich Parish and church benefactors) >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Caroline, I have a friend in England who is a sculptor and carves gravestones. I sent him your letter in return he sent me a note with the following he had seen. "I came across one for a husband who finally died after his wife, on the reverse of the stone it read " Honey, I'm home!" Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ ------ Forwarded Message ------ From: "Caroline Gaden" <[email protected]> To: "Yorksgen" <[email protected]> Sent: 10/05/2017 03:45:39 Subject: [YORKSGEN] An unusual gravestone Hello All > our favourite, which saw us in a fit of giggles was >this delightful grave. > >There was a motor bike half buried and the inscription read > >In Loving Memory of > >Name and Dates > >LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE > >AT THE GRAVE SAFELY BUT RATHER > >TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS TOTALLY WORN OUT > >SHOUTING 'HOLY SHIT' > >'WHAT A RIDE' > >/LOVED BY ALL/ <snipped>

I'll drink to that! ------ Forwarded Message ------ From: "Caroline Gaden" <[email protected]> To: "Yorksgen" <[email protected]> Sent: 10/05/2017 03:45:39 Subject: [YORKSGEN] An unusual gravestone >Hello All > >As family historians we spend many hours wandering through windswept >cemeteries searching for elusive relatives. A recent Fly In to Broken >Hill with our local Aero Club saw us on a quick visit to the vast >cemetery. We didn't find a relative but did find some interesting >headstones. One family had an enormous black marble cat overlooking >their final resting place, another had a skull just peeping out over >the pebbles but our favourite, which saw us in a fit of giggles was >this delightful grave. > >There was a motor bike half buried and the inscription read > >In Loving Memory of > >Name and Dates > >LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE > >AT THE GRAVE SAFELY BUT RATHER > >TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS TOTALLY WORN OUT > >SHOUTING 'HOLY SHIT' > >'WHAT A RIDE' > >/LOVED BY ALL/ > >/ >/ > >Caroline > > >

Rosemary, Returning to your original query I suggest this village is Aston, short for Coal Aston, just 1 mile from Dronfield. See Genuki here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Dronfield/Gaz1868 Directly underneath the entry in the register is one for the marriage of Anne Clay which gives you a comparison of the letter A. Unfortunately the vicar has managed to drip ink on the page, so only a UV light would solve your query for certain. You could request this of the archivists of whichever Record Office hold this document - Sheffield maybe? As the query is very precise they may respond without charging you. Just a thought. Ruth

Hi again, Rosemary, Please rest assured, *Ould Woodhouse* is definitely what is written on that page. Forgive me for being pedantic for a second, but let me clarify; the *O* is not written awkwardly at all. A style of writing developed in the early to mid-1600s which is for us nowadays one of the most difficult to read. Handwriting changes almost as a *fashion*. Over the last hundred years we've moved from copperplate through *Marion Richardson* and the *Fair Italic* to . *anybody's guess*. And so it has always been. We can invariably tell without looking at the stamp when a handwritten letter arrives from the USA or from Germany or elsewhere - the handwriting just looks different. The writer was taught, usually as a child, a different style of letter forming. In this case, the age of the vicar would determine how the letters would be formed - in other words, as he was writing this in 1622, was he a young man writing a new form of the letter or an older man still using the older style? Facts like this can be valuable clues. The vicar tells us that the wife of Old Woodhouse has been buried. Checking quickly (i.e. not very thoroughly) through the Phillimore marriages in Dronfield, Edmunde's marriage to Alice LYNWOOD is recorded on 10 Oct 1585. This is the earliest possible marriage of four recorded between then and 1622. The others were of Richard [1600], Rodger [1604] and Edward [1615] WOODHOUSE. So it is likely that Edmunde may have been known locally as Old WOODHOUSE. But for good measure, three earlier marriages listed are Godfrey [1573], John [1571] and Thomas [1564]. So maybe OW may have been one of those! For you, it simply means a long trawl through the registers for the WOODHOUSE families to see what happened to them all in the hope you can form a complete jig-saw of them. Oh, my! One of the joys of Family History - or not? Good luck, Rosemary. Ruth