Keep in mind that the images we see online are in themselves transcripts Transcripts of the household schedules, each time information is transcribed it leaves room for errors to creep in And some "errors" are the individuals giving the information, wanting to appear younger or older or whatever they wished to be known Most though gave true information as their identity cards and ration books were based on it Unsure what you mean by limited view? Everyone will see the same thing Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-18 8:11 PM, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > I've noticed date errors, too -- by 10 years and more! But in at least one > case, the error is actually not a transcription error; the original entry > matches the transcription. I've no idea what happened there. > > I see the original registration entry. Maybe the limited view is if you > aren't an Ancestry subscriber? > > Carolyn

I just found another strange apparent mistake. This time it’s a record that should have been blocked but which is visible. The lady in question was 3 in 1939 ! Her record was clearly marked as “below school age”. It’s visible along with her married name. We had a look to see if she had died but found nothing so I won’t give her name. Peter > >

I've noticed date errors, too -- by 10 years and more! But in at least one case, the error is actually not a transcription error; the original entry matches the transcription. I've no idea what happened there. I see the original registration entry. Maybe the limited view is if you aren't an Ancestry subscriber? Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Madison AL, and sometimes Clinton Ma and Norfolk, VA On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Liz > > The vast majority of dates of birth I have found to be accurate in the > 1939, I guess experiences will vary, from place to place, area to area and > enumerator to enumerator > > What we see online in the 1939 are the enumerators transcriptions, so > plenty of room for errors to creep in > > The original schedule may well have been correct as it was checked on the > spot to issue identity cards, then the schedule was transcribed onto the > pages we see online, and with little time to do it corners may have been > cut by way of double checking > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

For those of you living or thinking of visiting the area. Chesterfield & District Family History Society are holding their annual Fair next Saturday. 10am - 4pm at the PROACT Football Stadium in Chesterfield. Entrance is £1 each, children free. The theme this year is Asylums and the Workhouse. There are two free talks, one of them on workhouses. 44 tables with several family history societies from across the country, various organisations selling family history CDs, charts. A new CD of the Chesterfield Union Workhouse is being launched at the fair. Discounts on other CDs at the fair. Excellent raffles and prizes include free membership of FMP for a year. I won it 2 years ago! If you are interested in attending I have more information which I can send in a PDF format. Attachments aren't allowed on Rootsweb lists. For those who want to see the Royal wedding, it will be streamed live in the refreshment area so you don't need to miss out. Cheers Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Hi Liz The vast majority of dates of birth I have found to be accurate in the 1939, I guess experiences will vary, from place to place, area to area and enumerator to enumerator What we see online in the 1939 are the enumerators transcriptions, so plenty of room for errors to creep in The original schedule may well have been correct as it was checked on the spot to issue identity cards, then the schedule was transcribed onto the pages we see online, and with little time to do it corners may have been cut by way of double checking Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-18 4:15 PM, Liz via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Marie > > You are not the only one to notice the difference in several of the birth > dates in the 1939 registration. I've been looking at it through FMP for > several years now and it's extremely frustrating, especially when you know > the date you have is 100% accurate. > Liz

After spending a few days transcribing entries from the 1939 register I have found many instances where the dates on the transcription page differ from the actual record through transcription errors. The words on an excellent editor of mine when I was writing maths books many moons ago still ring in my ears. She would say "It is very very easy to mistype a number when numerals are used but if you write the number word errors hardly ever occur – so beware when believing a numeral is correct!” When transcribing I know my mistyping skulls are legendary :-) Peter > On 12 May 2018, at 16:15, Liz via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Marie > > You are not the only one to notice the difference in several of the birth > dates in the 1939 registration. I've been looking at it through FMP for > several years now and it's extremely frustrating, especially when you know > the date you have is 100% accurate. > Liz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marie ball [mailto:marieballtov@gmail.com] > Sent: 12 May 2018 16:02 > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY]Re: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 113 > > > >> I'm afraid I am not good at technology, but thanks for the advice. > Something I have noticed in the past week is just how many birthdates in > 1939 differ from the ones I already have, either by one day or by one year. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 16:37:59 +0100 >> From: <sue.herrington9@gmail.com> >> Subject: [DBY]Re: ancestry >> To: "Derbyshire genealogy" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <E1A9CD63F0C240EEAC7F96E9F3606AD6@Sue> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> Marie >> >> Why not just download the images to you own computer, then you'll always >> have access to them. >> >> Sue in Notts >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marie ball >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:51 PM >> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DBY]ancestry >> >> Yes, I have done nothing this week but look at the 1939 census. I forgot >> to send my niece's birthday card and my husband has offered to buy fish >> and chips for tea. As you say, I won't be able to see the images after I >> have to pay so have been making frantic notes, which I probably won't be >> ably to read afterwards. Marie in Cheshire >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Marie In theory at least, the birth dates on the 1939 NIR are likely to be more reliable than other records which may have an element of error due to various reasons Mainly as the National Identity Register was known beforehand to be what ration books would later be based on Although the 1939 NIR is in itself a transcription so not 100% reliable Only a date on a birth certificate should be more reliable, although there are reasons even they can be manipulated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-18 4:02 PM, Marie ball wrote: > > >> I'm afraid I am not good at technology, but thanks for the advice. >> Something I have noticed in the past week is just how many birthdates >> in 1939 differ from the ones I already have, either by one day or by >> one year.

Hi Marie You are not the only one to notice the difference in several of the birth dates in the 1939 registration. I've been looking at it through FMP for several years now and it's extremely frustrating, especially when you know the date you have is 100% accurate. Liz -----Original Message----- From: Marie ball [mailto:marieballtov@gmail.com] Sent: 12 May 2018 16:02 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 113 > I'm afraid I am not good at technology, but thanks for the advice. Something I have noticed in the past week is just how many birthdates in 1939 differ from the ones I already have, either by one day or by one year. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 16:37:59 +0100 > From: <sue.herrington9@gmail.com> > Subject: [DBY]Re: ancestry > To: "Derbyshire genealogy" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E1A9CD63F0C240EEAC7F96E9F3606AD6@Sue> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Marie > > Why not just download the images to you own computer, then you'll always > have access to them. > > Sue in Notts > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marie ball > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:51 PM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY]ancestry > > Yes, I have done nothing this week but look at the 1939 census. I forgot > to send my niece's birthday card and my husband has offered to buy fish > and chips for tea. As you say, I won't be able to see the images after I > have to pay so have been making frantic notes, which I probably won't be > ably to read afterwards. Marie in Cheshire > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

> I'm afraid I am not good at technology, but thanks for the advice. Something I have noticed in the past week is just how many birthdates in 1939 differ from the ones I already have, either by one day or by one year. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 16:37:59 +0100 > From: <sue.herrington9@gmail.com> > Subject: [DBY]Re: ancestry > To: "Derbyshire genealogy" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E1A9CD63F0C240EEAC7F96E9F3606AD6@Sue> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Marie > > Why not just download the images to you own computer, then you'll always > have access to them. > > Sue in Notts > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marie ball > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:51 PM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY]ancestry > > Yes, I have done nothing this week but look at the 1939 census. I forgot > to send my niece's birthday card and my husband has offered to buy fish > and chips for tea. As you say, I won't be able to see the images after I > have to pay so have been making frantic notes, which I probably won't be > ably to read afterwards. Marie in Cheshire > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > ------------------------------ >

If you are close to a public library, you could view everything on Ancestry, and probably Find My Past too (i.e. their worldwide subscriptions) for free. Because it's convenient to have access at home, I have an Ancestry subscription, but I keep a running list of items I need to look up on Find My Past (including newspaper articles and, until now, the 1939 Register), and have a trip to the library every week or two to look them up. It takes a little organising, and a little patience, but it works for me. By the way, I use One Note to maintain my list, as it stores the data on The Cloud, so I can add to it on my laptop, and then see it in the library on my smartphone etc. I also download copies of the images and transcriptions on to a memory stick in the library, and subsequently store them on my laptop for future reference. As long as you're doing this for private research, and you don't republish them (such as putting them on your website) you won't fall foul of copyright laws. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Marie ball" <marieballtov@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/05/2018 15:51:13 Subject: [DBY]ancestry >Yes, I have done nothing this week but look at the 1939 census. I >forgot to send my niece's birthday card and my husband has offered to >buy fish and chips for tea. As you say, I won't be able to see the >images after I have to pay so have been making frantic notes, which I >probably won't be ably to read afterwards. Marie in Cheshire

I’m here, but it’s not a time period I need right now. Be assured I read pretty much everything. I’m most appreciative of your efforts Nivard, and of others who have things to offer. — WendyE who is about to decamp from a heating up and buggy FL (“Love Bugs Season”, and it’s almost Hurricane Season) for cooler, and calmer, climes. Sent from my iPad > On May 10, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have to say I am quite staggered by the lack of response to this announcement > > Is there anyone left reading Derbysgen posts? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 08-May-18 11:53 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Noticed today by Marion on another list >> New release on Ancestry :-) >> The 1939 National Identity Register >> <https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61596> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Marie Why not just download the images to you own computer, then you'll always have access to them. Sue in Notts -----Original Message----- From: Marie ball Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:51 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]ancestry Yes, I have done nothing this week but look at the 1939 census. I forgot to send my niece's birthday card and my husband has offered to buy fish and chips for tea. As you say, I won't be able to see the images after I have to pay so have been making frantic notes, which I probably won't be ably to read afterwards. Marie in Cheshire _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes, I have done nothing this week but look at the 1939 census. I forgot to send my niece's birthday card and my husband has offered to buy fish and chips for tea. As you say, I won't be able to see the images after I have to pay so have been making frantic notes, which I probably won't be ably to read afterwards. Marie in Cheshire

Good to hear you are there Edna Boy its been quiet of late Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-May-18 6:22 PM, liverpud wrote: > Hi there, Reading as much as I can but I am not on Ancestry but FMP. > > Thanks for all your good work. > > Edna - sunny Ottawa

Glad to hear you are making headway Noreen Albeit not in Derbyshire ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-May-18 6:24 PM, N NASH wrote: > Yes Nivea’s, I greatly enjoy reading DBY posts and am happy about the 1939 register. However these opportunities cost money and that is limited. > Right now I am chasing my German Russian grandparents, with great success and this is taking my time and is costly. Of interest to those who think they can never breakdown a brick wall my paternal grandmother’s wall has crumbled back to 1767 after 50 years of searching. Thanks to translations of documents by a very talented professor of languages the family can be followed back to Catherine the Great when she invited skilled German workers to Russia. > When I do go to the register I will certainly post my finds. Meanwhile I will appreciate the posts of others, their successes and ponder their queries. > > Noreen

Thats good to hear That was a point I hadn't thought about Do keep copies though, as without a subscription you won't be able to see the images Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-May-18 6:03 PM, Jan Rockett wrote: > I can say its excellent > > I spend hours on it. At least now I can attach it to my tree on Ancestry! > > Jan

Yes Nivea’s, I greatly enjoy reading DBY posts and am happy about the 1939 register. However these opportunities cost money and that is limited. Right now I am chasing my German Russian grandparents, with great success and this is taking my time and is costly. Of interest to those who think they can never breakdown a brick wall my paternal grandmother’s wall has crumbled back to 1767 after 50 years of searching. Thanks to translations of documents by a very talented professor of languages the family can be followed back to Catherine the Great when she invited skilled German workers to Russia. When I do go to the register I will certainly post my finds. Meanwhile I will appreciate the posts of others, their successes and ponder their queries. Noreen > On May 10, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have to say I am quite staggered by the lack of response to this announcement > > Is there anyone left reading Derbysgen posts? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 08-May-18 11:53 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Noticed today by Marion on another list >> New release on Ancestry :-) >> The 1939 National Identity Register >> <https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61596> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi there, Reading as much as I can but I am not on Ancestry but FMP. Thanks for all your good work. Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:59 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: All quiet on the Western front ? heres something to wake you up hopefully I would like to think so, but the tumble weed rolling by seems to tell another tale :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I can say its excellent I spend hours on it. At least now I can attach it to my tree on Ancestry! Jan Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:49:53 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: All quiet on the Western front ? heres something to wake you up hopefully I have to say I am quite staggered by the lack of response to this announcement Is there anyone left reading Derbysgen posts? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08-May-18 11:53 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Noticed today by Marion on another list > > New release on Ancestry :-) > > The 1939 National Identity Register > > > <https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61596> > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I would like to think so, but the tumble weed rolling by seems to tell another tale :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-May-18 5:54 PM, Andy Micklethwaite via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Nivard > > Perhaps we're all too busy looking at the records :-) > > Keep up the good work. > Best Wishes, Andy. > > At 17:49 10/05/2018, you wrote: >> I have to say I am quite staggered by the lack of response to this announcement