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Hi all, Wanted to ask a question. If my ancestor lived in Brandywine Hundred, DE which county should I do research in Pennsylvania as a backup, Delaware or Chester county?? Thanks for the help. Teri Tighe NJ

Good morning lists, I received this important info this morning & it is very helpful in saving money & getting photocopies of birth, death certificates & other records! Gail is referring to records in NYC area in this case but I'm sure this method could be used to get records from other places that charge an arm & leg for these type of records. <<Message Board Post: Betty, Here is a copy of instructions that I previously saved...they are well written, with additions that I added.... If you don't need certified copies of these records, are looking to save money, and can navigate the Family History Library Microfilm Catalog, I STRONGLY recommend that you order photocopies of these records directly from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. The cost is $2.00 per photocopy, with a minimum $4 order, as opposed to $6.00 for certified copies from the NYC Municipal Archives if the certificate number is provided, or $15.00 from the archives if the certificate number is not known. First download and print the photocopy order form found on the library tab, education tab on the FHL website.... www.Familysearch.org the second bullet is Family History library publications. The form is called Requests for Photocopies - Census, Books, Microfilm, or Microfiche. Click on the name of the form and it will open the PDF version of the form which can be printed and filled out. Then search their library catalog for the microfilm number corresponding to the record type, borough, year and certificate number you're looking for. Complete the photocopy order form, include payment [check, money order, credit card], and mail....or fill in credit card info and FAX it. Response time is about 3-5 weeks. Photocopy quality is very good for the most part. Service is excellent. You can order copies of no more than 8 documents at a time for a total cost of $16.00. If you ordered them from the Municipal Archives [so long as you provide the certificate number] the cost would be $48.00. I've placed an order every 2 weeks. I am willing to order a copy of a record for possible relatives when the cost is only $2.00. I've filled in a number of holes in my research in the last couple of months using multiple indexes and the FHL library microfilm catalog. Gail Jorgensen California GailJorgensen@cox.net If you have any questions please contact Gail! Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

What happened to the census for Pencader Hundred in 1840?? I have read the images for Pencader in the 1850 and 1830 census years. I found the names I was looking for in these as expected. (in Glasgow). But there seems to be no Pencader Hundred census for 1840; some of these same names appear in St George's Hundred. So what happened here? Thanks Liz J

Sorry, nothing. :( HHH

Hi Helen, I'm looking for the Smiley family who lived in Delaware Co. It would be great if you could find me anything. Thanks, Sue van Vonno Melbourne,Fl

Good morning list, Dr. Bob PLOWMAN has sent me an update on the Administration & Will Index Lists for Delaware Co., PA! I will do a lookup for a person's full name -- do NOT ask for all the JONES or all the SMITHs, etc. Administrations Index List 1789 - 1880 Will Index List 1789 - 1882 Today is April 1st, the 155th anniversary of the day my Patrick TUTTLE came from Ireland on the ship WENHAM into the Port of Baltimore, MD, in the year 1850! I wonder what he was thinking? :) Happy hunting, Helen Helen M. Imburgia 396 Derry Drive Aston, PA 19014 (610) 358-1102 HMWEBBER@aol.com Local Historian - Family Genealogist - Founder of the DCGS

I doubt that the small congregation that took over the cemetery has the resources to update and post a searchable web site. This would be a great project for DHS or some other group. The best source that I know of are microfilms of the Tatnall records of Delaware cemeteries available through the FHC, but I think they were done in the 1930s so nothing newer is there. I REALLY wish there was a searchable database for Riverview too. C H Ruth ---- DENEWCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain > > DENEWCAS-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 27 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Riverview cemetery ["Nancy M. Lyons" <nancyml@comcast.] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from DENEWCAS-D, send a message to > > DENEWCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________

Has anyone contacted Riverview Cemetery for internment lists for family members buried there? Who do you contact? cost? phone number? Thanks Nancy

Some of the Morgan's looped thru the Welsh Neck of SC,?>Ga> >? >Nathan Morgan and sons to this s Clermont Co,Ohio. Nathan Sr moved on to sw Indiana,but some of his sons stayed here. Enoch Morgan,of Nathan,bought my George Brown's pulpit Bible at his 1814 estate sale. Dozier Morgan lived across my own Tate Twnsp from where I do.

Charlie, There is a chance these Hyatts were Palatine Germans, who migrated to the Middle Atlantic in great numbers in the early 1700s. My 8th greatgrandfather, Hans Jost Hite (1685-1760) was from the village of Bonfeld in Baden Wurttenburg. He and others from that area sailed down the Rhine to Antwerp and then on to Pennsylvania in 1710. My line ended up in Frederick Co VA, but I have seen variations of the Hite surname elsewhere, including Hyatt. It may well be the Netherlands was the departure point and not the ancestral home. Note that confusion between Dutch and German origins was common in 18th century America (witness the Pennsylvania "Dutch"). If you want to pursue this angle, you can contact me off list. Paul Reddick -----Original Message----- From: NAVLAWCFM@aol.com To: DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:53:01 EST Subject: [NewCastle] Long shot query Fellow Rooters....Been monitoring this list for some time, but haven't placed an inquiry to date. I've traced my family tree, HYATT branch, to St George's Hundred, New Castle Co early 1700's. A Thomas Hyatt likely father of Isaac Hyatt, Sr 1732-1797 was in the area early 1700's as was his father of same name. Scharf's History of Delaware indicates that the Hyatt people originated in the Netherlands as did Vandegrift's & others. Try as I might, can't seem to locate for the early 1700's any Hyatt surnamed folks (ancestors or otherwise) in the Netherlands. Any suggestions for further researcher on this issue? TIA for your help. Charlie Murphy near Seattle.

Is anyone in this group a descendant of the Abel and Enoch Morgan families from this area? They came from Wales in the very early 1700s and were pastors in Pencander as well as in other parishes? Cammie Morgan

Charlie, I did a quick check around for you. 'HYATT' might be married-in to a family or two that were Dutch. At a very quick glance, it looks like it's a married-in surname. But look for surname alternately spelled as 'Heyet.' If you *reallly* think they were Dutch, maybe you wiould like to read church records for early Dutch, try this database of Bob Biilliard's site for marriageas and baptisma.. These are downloadable and free. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm See some discussions containing HYATT surname on DUTCH-COLONIES-List @rootsweb.com Direct links for reching the list archives are below. If you think yours were Dutch, i recomment trying to read through these. But first, a comment: From what I have been reading lately (very boring but very fruitful) --It looks like you might find some of these *possibly* Dutch connections in and near Philadelphia. In Colonial times, Philadelphia was an administrative center for a large area surrounding it, including parts of DE, MD, NJ and places in Pennsylvania as far out as Berks and Lancaster Counties. So try there: So check Philadelphia Wills abrtracts for the names of these people. It's imortant to check each will or at least do a "find" in your browser for this or any surname, as well as "find" for a few alternate spellings. Wills often contain geographical data, as well as info about names of in-laws and allied families, so they can really pay off. Don't forget to check not only the names of testators, but also names of executors, heirs, and witnesses. Phila wills abstracts are found in US GenWeb project for PA. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/wills/ Also check Orphan's Court records for DE, PA, and maybe MD and NJ. Orphan's Court not only decide how to administrate for underage heirs, but also sometimes do inventories, which also can help to place your people. Meanwhile, look over a set of discussion which involved this surname, on DUTCH-COLONIES-List @rootsweb.com I recommend reading all the posts containing this surname before you decide to sign on. Here are your links to their archives; discussions containing HYATT name took place in 1999, 2000, 2001. Search archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=Dutch-Colonies Browse archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Dutch-Colonies/ If i come across anything else that looks promsing, Illl mail you. Best of luck. Liz J On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:53:01 EST, NAVLAWCFM@aol.com <NAVLAWCFM@aol.com> wrote: > Fellow Rooters....Been monitoring this list for some time, but haven't placed > an inquiry to date. I've traced my family tree, HYATT branch, to St > George's Hundred, New Castle Co early 1700's. A Thomas Hyatt likely father of > Isaac Hyatt, Sr 1732-1797 was in the area early 1700's as was his father of same > name. Scharf's History of Delaware indicates that the Hyatt people originated > in the Netherlands as did Vandegrift's & others. Try as I might, can't seem > to locate for the early 1700's any Hyatt surnamed folks (ancestors or > otherwise) in the Netherlands. Any suggestions for further researcher on this > issue? TIA for your help. Charlie Murphy near Seattle. > >

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:53:01 EST, NAVLAWCFM@aol.com <NAVLAWCFM@aol.com> wrote: > Fellow Rooters....Been monitoring this list for some time, but haven't placed > an inquiry to date. I've traced my family tree, HYATT branch, to St > George's Hundred, New Castle Co early 1700's. A Thomas Hyatt likely father of > Isaac Hyatt, Sr 1732-1797 was in the area early 1700's as was his father of same > name. Scharf's History of Delaware indicates that the Hyatt people originated > in the Netherlands as did Vandegrift's & others. Try as I might, can't seem > to locate for the early 1700's any Hyatt surnamed folks (ancestors or > otherwise) in the Netherlands. Any suggestions for further researcher on this > issue? TIA for your help. Charlie Murphy near Seattle. > >

Fellow Rooters....Been monitoring this list for some time, but haven't placed an inquiry to date. I've traced my family tree, HYATT branch, to St George's Hundred, New Castle Co early 1700's. A Thomas Hyatt likely father of Isaac Hyatt, Sr 1732-1797 was in the area early 1700's as was his father of same name. Scharf's History of Delaware indicates that the Hyatt people originated in the Netherlands as did Vandegrift's & others. Try as I might, can't seem to locate for the early 1700's any Hyatt surnamed folks (ancestors or otherwise) in the Netherlands. Any suggestions for further researcher on this issue? TIA for your help. Charlie Murphy near Seattle.

I would like to connect with someone who has information about the "BELVILLE Family Bible." I found a post to DE-Newcas List which refers to that record. I can connect BELVILLE of St George's Hundred to many old Colonial families in several Mid-Atlantic states. Thomas BELVILLE is my ancestor; glad to share info from our family records and my working notes. Posting Re: CLARK, in DENEWCAS-List archives for Sun, 9 Feb 2003 mention a "BELVILLE Famiily Bible." See that post here: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/D/DENEWCAS+2003+8482808900+F It has this notation: "Belville Family Bible: Thomas Belville, a well-known citizen of Odessa, then Cantwell's Bridge in St. George's Hd., was buried in Old Drawyers Cemetery. His tombstone: b. May 8, 1790, d. March 15, 1823, son of John and Margaret. Wife Sarah Wood, b. March 9, 1785, d. May 15, 1863. Deputy Sheriff, NCC. Children: Sarah married Isaac Clark." Would anyone know where I can find more information about this bible? Thomas BELVILLE is my 4th great-grandfather. Here is further info; please post or mail me. John BELVILLE married Margaret BIDDLE. Their son, Thomas BELVILLE and his wife, Sarah WOOD, had a daughter, Margaret Elizabeth BELVILLE. She married Curtis Bennet ELLISON of Burlington, NJ. Curtis Bennet ELLISON and Margaret BELVILLE raised a large family. They lived in Glasgow, Pencader Hundred. Their daughter, Mary Frances ELLISON (1839-1928), married Spencer Sewell HOLTEN (1836-1923). This family lived in Pencader Hundred, probably Odessa/Middletown area. Near the edge of St george's Hundred. Our HOLTEN / HOLTON family connects to the old DALE family of Somerset/Worcester Counties, Maryland --also emigrated 1680's. I would like to find others from these families. Have info to share. I hope Debbie, who posted the Clark family info which contained the notation of the BELVILLE bible is still active; I am very interested in working with desc of these families. Thank you, Liz J

Hi list, I am looking for info on Gilbert Arthur or Andrew ANDERSON b. 1874-1888, (immigrated in 1904) from Shetland, Scotland to Chester & Trainer, Delaware Co., PA. I found him w/ his family in the 1920 and 1930 census. He had 4 children by first wife (m. 1907-8) & 3 children by his second wife (Elizabeth BUCKLEY who he m. c1919) -- a total of 7 children. She had a son William from a previous relationship: Madalean, b. 1910. (Lena) Agnus, b. 1912. Arthur, b. 1913. Gilbert, b. 1917. William, b. 1919. - 2nd wife's son (stepson) Mary, b. 1921. - 2nd wife Mathew, b. 1924. - 2nd wife George, b. 1927. - 2nd wife Wm's mother-in-law is Mary BUCKLEY, b. c1867 in PA & a brother-in-law Eugene. They are living at 3312 W 3rd St. Trainer in the 1930 census. His Naturalization Record: ANDERSON, Gilbert Andrew Age 26 Born - Shetland, Scotland 5 Feb ____ Migrated from Honolulu, Hawainian (sic) Islands Vessel Dirigo Arrived: Philadelphia, PA 10 Aug 1905 DoI. 14 Jun 1913. #659. Vol. 3, p-259 PfC. 22 Nov 1915. #625. Vol. 7, p-25 Date Filed - 22 Nov 1915. Witness: None 4 Children listed Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Hi Ruth: The original citation in Scharf's is for land of "Manuel Eyre" between St. George's Creek and Surrency's Gut. I looked up Manuel Eyre and found the following collection cited on the web at the Hagley Library (http://www.hagley.lib.de.us/), which is a wonderful research facility at the old DuPont black powder mills. Surrency's Gut may have been over-run by the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal, or it may have even disappeared as the tidal waters changed over the years...I'll send a map from the current-day map book and you'll see what a maze the local waters are. You may also want to check with the Morris Library of the University of Delaware (www.lib.udel.edu/), they have an extensive map collection Fred Kelso "Author:Eyre, Manuel, 1777-1845. Title: Business papers, 1795-1847 (bulk 1800-1805). Description: 720 items. Notes: Manuel Eyre, a Philadelphia merchant of Quaker ancestry, was born in 1777. His father, Manuel Eyre, Sr., (1736-1805) was a shipwright in Kensington and a colonel in the Contintental Army. He obtained his training in the counting house of Henry Pratt and Abraham Kintzing and in 1803 joined with Charles Massey, Jr., (b. 1778) to form the mercantile firm of Eyre & Massey, a partnership that lasted until Eyre's death in 1845. The firm of Eyre & Massey owned over 20 vessels, ranging in size from ships to sloops, and traded around the world, mounting voyages to Europe, the Caribbean, South America, China, India and the Pacific Islands. Manuel Eyre also served on the Philadelphia City Council and was a founding director of the Schuylkill Navigation Company (1816) and the Second Bank of the United States (1816). After 1820 he gradually retired from active trading and devoted much of his time to agriculture. He owned two farms outside the city and three in Delaware. He was the founder of Delaware City, Del., at the mouth of the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal, buying the entire site in 1828, erecting public buildings and dividing it into lots. The records consist of seven lots of Manuel Eyre's business papers, spanning the years, 1795-1847. Accession 994 (part) consists of shipping papers (1801-1802) for the ships OLIVE BRANCH and CHARLESTON PACKET and the brigs ARISTIDES, FAME, and NANCY trading with La Rochelle, Havre, Charleston and the West Indies. They include accounts, cargo manifests, bills of lading, outfitter's bills and agreements with captains. Accession 1003 (part) includes additional shipping papers (1797-1815) for the ship OLIVE BRANCH, brigs ARISTIDES and NANCY, sloop PERSEVERANCE and schooner EUTAW trading primarily with Hamburg and the West Indies. These are also 20 letters (1796-1803), mostly from Troup & Brown at Port au Prince concerning trade with Haiti, Amsterdam, and Charleston and 6 items (1797-1806) re Eyre's property in Burlington, N.J. A separate group of 38 items contains accounts and inventories of the Kensington Lead Works, established in 1832 by Franklin Eyre, and correspondence from manager Thomas Janvier to Manuel Eyre. Accession 1063 (part) contains additional shipping papers, checks, bills of lading, and customs house lists of goods imported (1801-1823). Accession 1097 (part) comprises 43 items, including a manifest for the OLIVE BRANCH (1803), correspondence re orders, accounts payable, promissory notes, bank drafts, and bills of lading. There are two agreements to rent properties in Delaware City (1827) and Philadelphia (1832). Accession 1144 (part) consists of 5 items (1796-1835): a letter of captain William Brewster on coffee sold (1796), Eyre's accounts with the firm of Eyre & Massey (1806), a letter of Thomas Janvier introducing William Peterson, an invoice of William L, Hodge to Eyre (1835), and a freight list of the ASISTIDES bound for Charleston. Accession 1215 (part) consists of advertising circulars. Accession 1247 (part) consists of a stock certificate for 100 shares of the Peoples Steam Navigation Company(1833). No restrictions on use. Described in: John Beverley Riggs, A GUIDE TO MANUSCRIPTS IN THE ELEUTHERIAN MILLS HISTORICAL LIBRARY, SUPPLEMENT CONTAINING ACCESSIONS FOR THE YEARS 1966 THROUGH 1975 (Greenville, Del.: Eleutherian Mills Historical Library, 1978). Unpublished finding aid available at the repository. Subjects include: Massey, Charles, b. 1778. Aristides (Brig). Charleston Packet (Ship). Eutaw (Schooner). Eyre & Massey. Fame (Brig). Kensington Lead Works (Philadelphia, Pa.). Location: Hagley Museum and Library, Manuscripts and Archives Department, 298 Buck Road East, Greenville, Del. 19807 http://www.rootsweb.com/~paschuyl/sch2.htm "

Dear Melissa, THANKS!!!! That does help! I have now found a website for them in which I can email a "reference" librarian, so I have asked them for the specific dates I need to see if they are covered. Elaine

Would someone share with me the knowledge of whether or not the Wilmington Public Library in downtown Wilmington has access to obituaries for the month of May of 1902 OR March for 1935???? I would assume these are now on Microfilm or fiche, rather than actual paper items? Thanks! Elaine May