Kathy, This is be a long shot, but please look: Is there a __ McCUE family in which the parents (both Irish emigrants) would be the right age to have daughter Catherine b. 1866?? She later lived in NJ, but I don't see a good canduidate for parents for her there. Possible first name of the father might be Daniel or Robert. Meanwhile I will check census for DE. TIA very much Liz J

It may be the same place.In 1920 it was Russells Grove but maybe they were calling it something else in 1930? What did the big house look like? There are more than one large houses there.Also there were MANY more small houses years ago.Bortons Beach, Risners Row etc. The whole area between Delaware Avenue & the river was called the NORTH SHORE and the other side of West Main Street was called the SOUTH SHORE.There was a Delaware Drive in the South Shore. I also found the following Russells in the DuPont Company records: Ann , James G., Mary, Matthew, & Robt. Kathy

If you go to the Hagley Museum, you can see the payroll ledgers on the workers. It has the employee name written in beautiful script on the top and then the salary given and deductions made by them, i.e., postage, contributions to churches, rent paid, etc. It's fascinating to see. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Malloy" <vdamore@frontiernet.net> To: <DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: [NewCastle] Re: Irish to Wilmington > I have photocopies of a transcription of the records of the > Manufacturers Sunday School at Hagley and of some Dupont records that > relate to my Toys & McKennas. > > Evidently, DuPont employees could arrange for a payroll deduction that > would go towards paying for relatives to come over from Ireland. I > think that DuPont then used it's connections to get volume discounts on > the passage costs. It also looks like my ancestor may have worked as a > recruiter to fill up Dupont 'chartered'(?) ships with workers. This is > just speculation right now but I thought I'd throw it out for those of > you who know more that I do about these things. > > Margaret > >

Thanks Kathleen. Not sure if he's mine yet but will definitely keep it with fingers crossed. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen & James Ingram" <kathlingram@inteliport.com> To: <DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [NewCastle] Irish to Wilminton-Russell > I found the following < Jas.Russell "Hartford" April 24 $22.00 fare.(I think this ship sailed from Londonderry and came into Philadelpha May 18th 1847)> > bills of Passage > records of EI Dupont & Co > Courtesy Hagley's Museum & Library. > It is from the April 2004 Delaware Genealogical Society Journal.Information can be reached at www.delgensoc.org > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > >

Yes that's true and if you go to the Hagley Museum in Wilmington you can request to see Du Pont's records of such arrangments, etc. Also, an excellent Wilmington Irish site is www.lalley.com. Liz Russell Forsyth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen & James Ingram" <kathlingram@inteliport.com> To: <DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: [NewCastle] Irish to Wilmington > Anyone who has famine-era Irish immigrants to the Wilmington area should look to the two latest editions of the Delaware Genealogical Society's Journal.DuPont apparently paid for tickets for families and their names are listed. > I would do a look-up.The journals are really great. > Kathy Carrow Ingram > >

Hi Kathy: So, what can you figure from the census - 5 Russells Grove was where my John Russell lived along with his wife and several boarders and he is shown as owner. Then at 1, 3 and 4 there were other families shown as renters. This was just on the 1920 census. On the 1930, again the Russells were shown as living in a distinct "section" of Delaware Ave. but I couldn't make out the handwriting. After walking the block that day, the area I mentioned was the only logical choice given the entry. But now I can't figure where the area might have been. Any ideas? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen & James Ingram" <kathlingram@inteliport.com> To: <DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: [NewCastle] Russell's Grove > Actually that large house on the River wasthe Jsutice house at one time.(if that is the one you mean)The small houses which appear to go in a row down the side of the house is where my father lived as a young child.He lived with his Grandmother Sadie Kirwan Carrow.They moved to Delaware City DE for some years and then back I think by about 1940.They called those small houses Risner Row.I have some old (1920's) pictures of the area. > Sadie died there in 1943 and the death certificate says 7 Risner Ave.Penns Grove.It is actually right next to the house you describe(It is Victorian looking) > Her parents were born in Ireland.I always wondered if there was a family connection as she(Sadie) lived there in 1930 and then again in 1943.Her dad was Pat Kirwan and her mom was Lizzie Sweeney.Her Mom was Mary Jane Huey from County Tyrone. > Kathy Carrow Ingram > >

I have Susanah Toy m James Steelman,about 1690. He was of Hans Mansson and Ella Olafsdatter,of Olaf Stille. Ella had m 1st Peter Yocum. James' brother,Capt Johan Hance Steelman,was a fur trader,and the money behind the formation of Old Swedes Church,Wilmington. Another brother,Christian,was a New Castle Co shoemaker,and step-father of James Claypool.

I have photocopies of a transcription of the records of the Manufacturers Sunday School at Hagley and of some Dupont records that relate to my Toys & McKennas. Evidently, DuPont employees could arrange for a payroll deduction that would go towards paying for relatives to come over from Ireland. I think that DuPont then used it's connections to get volume discounts on the passage costs. It also looks like my ancestor may have worked as a recruiter to fill up Dupont 'chartered'(?) ships with workers. This is just speculation right now but I thought I'd throw it out for those of you who know more that I do about these things. Margaret

Hi all I saw your email and rather then emailing you personally, I thought I would do it to the group. I am part of the Wilmington Irish web site. We have transcribed church records +++ on to the site at www.lalley.com., including some passenger manifests. Currently there are just Catholic records pre 1900 but where we can we will include other religions as well. We are always looking for transcribers. Also as to Hagley we will be transcribing their English language genealogically focused records onto the site. Anyone who would like to volunteer to transcribe can contact me at nancyml@comcast.net Nancy Lyons ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen & James Ingram To: DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: [NewCastle] Irish to Wilmington Anyone who has famine-era Irish immigrants to the Wilmington area should look to the two latest editions of the Delaware Genealogical Society's Journal.DuPont apparently paid for tickets for families and their names are listed. I would do a look-up.The journals are really great. Kathy Carrow Ingram

I found the following < Jas.Russell "Hartford" April 24 $22.00 fare.(I think this ship sailed from Londonderry and came into Philadelpha May 18th 1847)> bills of Passage records of EI Dupont & Co Courtesy Hagley's Museum & Library. It is from the April 2004 Delaware Genealogical Society Journal.Information can be reached at www.delgensoc.org Kathleen Carrow Ingram

Anyone who has famine-era Irish immigrants to the Wilmington area should look to the two latest editions of the Delaware Genealogical Society's Journal.DuPont apparently paid for tickets for families and their names are listed. I would do a look-up.The journals are really great. Kathy Carrow Ingram

Hello folks I would like to contact Wendy Chambers but I have lost her email address. Wendy if you see this, please contact me or if anyone knows Wendy, please either send me her address or ask her to get in touch with me. Thanks. Ruth Carr

Actually that large house on the River wasthe Jsutice house at one time.(if that is the one you mean)The small houses which appear to go in a row down the side of the house is where my father lived as a young child.He lived with his Grandmother Sadie Kirwan Carrow.They moved to Delaware City DE for some years and then back I think by about 1940.They called those small houses Risner Row.I have some old (1920's) pictures of the area. Sadie died there in 1943 and the death certificate says 7 Risner Ave.Penns Grove.It is actually right next to the house you describe(It is Victorian looking) Her parents were born in Ireland.I always wondered if there was a family connection as she(Sadie) lived there in 1930 and then again in 1943.Her dad was Pat Kirwan and her mom was Lizzie Sweeney.Her Mom was Mary Jane Huey from County Tyrone. Kathy Carrow Ingram

Hi Kathy: As far as I know, my John J. Russell (wife was Nellie) purchased in 1915 property and buildings and it showed as 5 Russells Grove on the 1920 census. The listing is between 84 and 80 Delaware Ave. I believe there was a main bldg. and then some other on premises bldgs. or cottages that were also rented out because listed at 5 were my Russells and some boarders and John is listed as the owner. Then at 1, 3 and 4 Russells Grove were also people listed as renters. John sold the property in 1944. He was a widower on the 1930 census and listed between 78 and 86 Delaware Ave. The address area is sectioned off for his property and I can't make out the name. He later died in a hospital in Delaware. He was originally from Wilmington and his parents from Ireland. I went to the area last year since I live in Northern NJ and saw a large house and some small out buildings which I presumed were his. The house still looked okay but the other bldgs were falling down. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen & James Ingram" <kathlingram@inteliport.com> To: <DENEWCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [NewCastle] Fw: Families from DE/MD/NJ > I grew up right on the river.A big house that is still there(I think).Does > the census have an address for the Russells?The house I grew up in was built > about 1919(called the Summerill house) I think but there are a few houses > also on the river that DuPont built that were called "Zeigler Tract", some > of them were built in 1920s I think.It (the area) is called Helms Cove.Old > name. > Much of the "town" of Carneys Point was built by Dupont even some of the > bigger houses.Carneys Point village.My grandmother & her family were found > in the 1920 census in Carneys Point and my Grandparents on the other side > also lived in a "plant"house or company house.(That house was where third > base was on the YMCA/Babe Ruth baseball field)Carney.old name. > Lots & lots of those houses and boarding houses do not exist now. > Actually many of the "old" names in PennsGrove were really "old" NewCastle > DE names etc.Salem County and Gloucester also. > Like Locke...my hubby's business was on Locke Ave. > Dolbow.Blohm. Sorenson PG > I just didn't realize that my Carrow family was quite that old..by then they > had followed DuPont across the river into NJ. > In Colonial times it was easier to go a mile across the River than a few > miles thru woods & swamps to worship, marry, trade or whatever. > My Carrows (1670-80 MD/DE) were people who "followed the water" in the old > country, which was Ireland as far as I can tell.They were sailers & > oystermen. > Kathy Carrow Ingram > >

I'm searching for information about Samuel Hall and Elizabeth Wellcock(Wilcox, Willcox,Willcoxson) who married at Holy Trinity Old Swedes Church in 1746. Samuel Hall lived in Chester Co. PA and there is a small biography in "The History of Chester Co" about his family. His parents were Samuel and Anna Elizabeth Springer Hall, daughter of Charles(Carl) Springer. I'm trying to find Elizabeth Wellcock's family. It's difficult to tell if she was from PA or DE. Samuel Hall was baptized at Old Swedes Church in 1717 so it's possible he knew her family through the Church. There is an entry for their marriage in the Church Records book for Old Swedes Church but I don't know if it gives witnesses or parents or any additional information. I would appreciate any help. Thank you, GerriAnn GerriAnn Lockman gacl2@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Who are the parents of this man below?? Resident of St George's Hundred early to mid 1800's: Spencer HOLTON, born 1806. Married Mary Anne ELIASON, d/o William ELIASON and wife (2) Anne EVANS. Son Spencer Sewell HOLTON born 1836, other children include: Sarah 1834; (illegible first initial) Randolph, 1840; Mary 1842; Andrew E 1844; William M 1848. From reading through census images, it appears that in various years, there were three; probably grandfather, father, and son, all with the same or similar names. Thanks Liz J

PETERSON and HOLTON Evidence of Swedes in Colonial southern NJ which might connect to the Old Swedes colony of DE One of these HOLTONs might be mine; please check the other names for connections. Have a look at these files for PETERSON. Note the connections in at least three states here. Watch out for the wild spelling --this might be one reason that records of so many old ancestors are missed. My comments in [Brackets --ej] (from a study of info about HOLTON of southern NJ and DE/MD) Thanks to David T of NJ-List who contributed these abstracts. From: Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series; Documents Relating To The Colonial History of the State of New Jersey, Volume XXIII; Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Vol. 1, 1670-1730. Nelson, William; Paterson NJ 1901. Page 125: 1721 June 13. Dalbo, Charles, of Gloucester Co. Inventory of the personal estate of, £122.15.3, incl. Indian debts £56.--9, debts outstanding and due by Mountes Halton, Peter Justice, Peter Garren, Clement Cornett, Andrew Milican, Wm. Peterson, Peter Lock, John Recom, Wm. Cobb, Jester Lock, Erick Steelman, Peter Cock, Larrance Lock, Manuell Dirrickson, Edward Egelton, Elener Friend, Andrew and Charles Shing (String?), Jacob Kuling, James Gerren, Nicklos Justice, Larrance Peterson, Mich'l Hopman and Peter Peterson, all in Gloucester and Salem Counties, Amos Nicholes of Chester Co., Wm. Titmarsh of Philadelphia, James Roberson of Cape May, James Rillot (?) of Maryland; made by John Friend, Fredrick Hopman and Jo: Bond. [My note: Charles Shing (String?) might be SHINN. JUSTICE is Old Swede; COCK became COX. --ej] Page 263/4: 1730 --------. Johnson, Mathias, of Pen's Neck, Salem Co., yeoman. Account of the estate of £75.9, by the surviving executor,1 William [page 264] Peterson, who has paid to Lausey Halton £8.5 in full of his wife's filial portion, to Mary, wife of Chas. Halton £6 as her portion, to Samuel Walcott and wife Katharine £8.5, the filial portion of Erick Johnson, said Katherine's former husband, to Oliver Johnson £6.3, to Eskell Johnson £6.3, to Michael Johnson, £4.17.6, to Henry Johnson £6.3, Margaret Johnson £6.3, all filial portions. 1No will on record or on file. [Lausey Halton from 'Lars' I believe --ej] From: Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series; Documents Relating To The Colonial History of the State of New Jersey, Volume XXX; Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, etc., Volume II, 1730-1750; Honeyman, A. Van Doren; Somerville NJ 1918. Will Abstracts - beginning page 212: 1740, Aug. 15. Halton, Charles, of Greenwich, Gloucester Co., yeoman. Int. Adm'r, Zachariah Peterson (during minority of John Halton, only brother of deceased). Bondsman--Edmund Lord. Witness--Edward Noble. Lib. 4, p. 197. 1740, July 21. Inventory, £76.11.7; made by Edmund Lord, John Jones. 1736, April 2. Halton, Hance, of Rackoon Creek, Gloucester Co., yeoman; will of. Wife, Briget. Sons--John, the plantation (120 acres) on which I live; Lawrence, the 100 acres joining the aforesaid land. Also they to have equally the land (100 acres) I bought of Lawres Halton and the meadows (14 acres) on said Creek, and 50 acres bought of Samuel Shivers. Lawrence to have meadows (5 acres) bought of Paul Gerron, and 50 acres bought of Lawrence Paulson. Daughters--Mary, Sarah and Rebecka Halton. Sole executor--son, Charles Halton. Witnesses--Micheall Conelly, Zarias Peterson, John Jones. Proved 21 March, 1736. Lib. 4, p. 92. 1736, May ---. Inventory, £66.3.5; made by Zarias Peterson, John Jones. 1740, Aug. 15. Halton, Lawrence, of Greenwich, Gloucester Co., yeoman. Int. Adm'r, Zacharias Peterson, in place of John Halton, a minor brother. Bondsman--Edmund Lord. Witness--Edward Noble. 1740, Aug. 9. Inventory (£67.12.1) includes working tools and old lumber, books and book debts. Appraisers--Edmund Lord, Zarias Peterson. Gloucester Wills, 254 H. and: Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series; Documents Relating To The Colonial History of the State of New Jersey, Volume XXXII; Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Vol. III, 1751-1760; Honeyman, A. Van Doren; Somerville NJ 1924. Will Abstracts - page 162: 1728, Jan. 24. Holton, Gunloe, of Pen's Neck, Salem Co., widow; will of. Children--John Bartleson, Mary Holton, Cristin Holton and Andrew Bartleson. Home farm of 75 acres on Delaware River, between Lause Peterson and Robert Pittman. Personal property. Executors--the two sons. Witnesses--Ann Simpson, Alexander Simpson. Proved August 6, 1755 (when Ann Simpson testifies as Ann Kent, wife of Erasmus Kent). Lib. 8, p. 243 1755, July 19. Inventory, £74.4.4., by Garret Vaneman and Robert Howard. 1755, Aug. 6. Bond of Andrew Vanneman as Adm'r with the will annexed; Larance Holton fellowbondsman, both of Pile's Grove, said Co., yeomen. If anyone from Delaware or NJ (or Maryland) connects to the HALLTON - HOLTON - HOLTEN surname seen here, please let me know. Best wishes, Liz J

By request, resources for studying people and places in New Sweden. These are some nice resources I have found for those who research Old Swedes (and Finns and Dutch, etc) who settled in Delaware and surrounding areas. I've also included some little hints for improving online searches. This is a short list of my favorites. My best hint of the day: I google the "name of the history book" + (surname) which works better than using 'edit/find in my browser; saves time. Here are some good links: 1. First, a quickie: fast facts with many links: "Factbites" (I can't guarantee the content of what's linked in here) http://www.factbites.com/topics/New-Sweden ....... 2. Swedish Colonial Society, title page and links. Try this excellent organization. http://www.colonialswedes.org/ -- History of New Sweden here: http://www.colonialswedes.org/History/History.html -- the churches in the four state area (DE, NJ, PA, and MD): http://www.colonialswedes.org/History/History.html ....... 3. Have a look at the files found under the directoy of Index of US Genweb for Delaware: There are the counties plus an index for "statewide" --these open into sub-directories. Take your pick. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/de/ ....... 4. Swedes and Finns were here together very early in the colonies. Ironically, it seems that Sweden must have invited some Finlanders to settle in their lands, but later declared the Finns a nuisance. But that was perhaps by convenience: Sweden was looking for people to populate and hold and to work at the new colony; the "foreigners" were good candidates --already proved very good at clearing land and at hard work. But many Swedish citizens soon also wished to make a new life in the colony, so they came also. Here is a very fine study of the New Sweden colony: E. A. Louhi: The Delaware Finns or The First Permanent Settlements in Pennsylvania, Delaware, West New Jersey, and Eastern Part of Maryland. New York, The Humanity Press Publishers. 1925 Contains names of many early colonists in DE. All online; Contents here: http://www.genealogia.fi/emi/art/article298ae.htm#Alku The earlier chapters mention the names of many people who came on the ships Kalmar Nykel and the Griffin (1641), or on the ships Fama and Swan in 1642. These were not the first, but the fourth and fifth voyages I believe. There were several more voyages in succeeding years. ....... 5. Little-known but very helpful for discovering Delaware names and relationships, and where lands or properties might have been, are the Pennsylvania Archives. --Especially, see Philadelphia wills abstracts for names of many who lived in DE, MD, NJ and PA, as well as farther north and overseas. Before 1700, Philadelphia was an administrative center for a broad region encompassing much of the Delaware River and Bay area. Remember Gloria Dei in Philadelphia was established very early in Colonial history through funding from some prominent Delaware landowners. So records of some residents of DE (and other places) can be found in PA archives and in chuch archives in Phila. Check not only the index of testarors but also the wills abstracts themselves. They contain many names of in-laws and surnames of wives --and can show family relationhips and alliances. Especially take note of those who are called "Mariner." These guys especially were very mobile, with connections in a lot of places. -- Start here (2/3 down for indexes) but look at each abstract for the set of years, if you can stand so much reading. Very informative if a bit dull and tedious. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/wills/ this is the 'A' to 'B' surnames index: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/wills/willsurab.txt Check also regiments for the French and Indian War and for the war of the Revolution. Records of units serving for Pennsylvania had many officers and recruits from Delaware. (appears in another place in the archives --go up a few levels to find it. ....... 6. Not least --Don't forget this all-star, Scharf! -- J. Thomas Scharf, A.M., LL.D., History of Delaware 1609 – 1888. In Two Volumes pub. L.J. Richards & Co., Philadelphia, 1888. Title page and contents here: http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/DE/Delaware/titlepage.htm -- Select from places in New Castle Co. here; 2/3 down begins histories of the individual Hundreds. Read it in toto or google it as above. I google: Scahrf + "history of delaware" + SURNAME --works very well for finding the ref in Scharf and also finds websites of other serearchers for that name. http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/DE/Delaware/contents.htm#NewcastleCounty In various chapters, Scharf gives information about landowners and taxpayers. In several places in these chapters, the rosters of names he ha collected almost appear as a census. IT's very valuable in understanding who was where in the early years. Many old names from New Sweden appear in these, along with English, Huguenot, Dutch, Scots-Irish, Welsh, and those of diverse ethnic backgrounds. ....... For now... more than enough. As always, caution when surfing the --net. These sites mostly look very clean. But always: Keep your AV software updated. Have fun, Liz J

I grew up right on the river.A big house that is still there(I think).Does the census have an address for the Russells?The house I grew up in was built about 1919(called the Summerill house) I think but there are a few houses also on the river that DuPont built that were called "Zeigler Tract", some of them were built in 1920s I think.It (the area) is called Helms Cove.Old name. Much of the "town" of Carneys Point was built by Dupont even some of the bigger houses.Carneys Point village.My grandmother & her family were found in the 1920 census in Carneys Point and my Grandparents on the other side also lived in a "plant"house or company house.(That house was where third base was on the YMCA/Babe Ruth baseball field)Carney.old name. Lots & lots of those houses and boarding houses do not exist now. Actually many of the "old" names in PennsGrove were really "old" NewCastle DE names etc.Salem County and Gloucester also. Like Locke...my hubby's business was on Locke Ave. Dolbow.Blohm. Sorenson PG I just didn't realize that my Carrow family was quite that old..by then they had followed DuPont across the river into NJ. In Colonial times it was easier to go a mile across the River than a few miles thru woods & swamps to worship, marry, trade or whatever. My Carrows (1670-80 MD/DE) were people who "followed the water" in the old country, which was Ireland as far as I can tell.They were sailers & oystermen. Kathy Carrow Ingram

I want to thank everyone in this thread and also the other recent threads. You are showing so many examples of place-names and families who moved between DE and NJ. My ancestors never left the east coast. So the rich detail in place-names and the layering of history here is lovely to see. Where is all the detail about individual families on the Jersey side coming from? I would like to have such an exyensive knowledge base (for both isides and across all the state lines in the region. Thanks for the interesting discussion Liz J