On my trips back home to Wilmington, I have found the Archives in Dover and the Delaware Historical Society Library in Wilmington to be of great help. The Library on Market Street in Wilmington has very extensive files on cemetery and tombstone listings. Penny Webster Brown researching Webster, Wilson, Long, Talley, Connell and related families

DEAR JOHN, MY HUSBAND WAS BORN THERE IN NEW CASTLE. I HAVE BEEN ONCE TO HIS HOMETOWN OF WILMINGTON. WE STILL HAVE FAMILY THERE. HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT TRIP. WE ARE JUST STARTING ON HIS FITZPATRICK LINE. WE PLAN TO GO NEXT SPRING OR SUMMER. EAT SOME OF THE SALT WATER TAFFY FOR ME! KANDY CAMPBELL FITZPATRICK

John, We have some great research facilities nearby. The Hagley Museum has a library and Soda House (this houses many manuscripts and information on the Mill workers. Delaware State Archives in Dover. The Historical Society in Wilmington and the University of Delaware Library to name a few. The Corbit Calloway memorial Library in Odessa has a wonderful Delaware research room. Good Luck and I hope you enjoy your visit. Sharon

There is a site a rootsweb for copyright information. It is pretty informative http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/COPYRIGHT.html Very helpful to genealogists. Barbara

Thank you for the helpful hints ! ! ! ! Dori Barroga agus Poga

Hi Penny, Thanks for the reply, Would the "Library on Market St." be the New Castle County Library? John [email protected] wrote: >On my trips back home to Wilmington, I have found the Archives in Dover and >the Delaware Historical Society Library in Wilmington to be of great help. >The Library on Market Street in Wilmington has very extensive files on >cemetery and tombstone listings. > >Penny Webster Brown >researching Webster, Wilson, Long, Talley, Connell and related families > > > >

The photo *does* belongs to you. However, just like a book you own retains a copyright and may not be copied without theoretically being subject to a claim by the copyright holder, the photo retains a copyright owned by the photographer. When facing your problem myself, the guy at the photo store referred me to the do-it-yourself photo copying machine at the supermarket next door. (I've seen similar photo copying machines at Eckerd's drug stores.) He said the quality of the copies made there was equal to the quality of those made on his professional photo copying machine (except that the do-it-yourself machine was only calibrated every several weeks whereas his machine was calibrated daily). Jeff Palmer - [email protected] * * * Quote of the Week: "Atheism is a non-prophet organization." -- George Carlin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE RESEARCH QUESTION This question reminds me that I have been trying to reproduce a photograph (of myself) taken about 5 years ago on one of those "glamour shot" programs. I cannot do this because it is stamped "copyrighted" on the back, and I paid over $150 for the makeup job and photo package. The company, now long gone, was in San Diego, 100 miles from here. Kinkos, WalMart, Kodak, etc., are telling me that the photo doesn't belong to me ! ! ! ! ! ! How come?? DORI in So Calif

Because the company retains copyright (they did the work of taking your picture) and something you signed said that (you waived the rights to this picture). This is very well established (all photographers do this). I have had fits trying to get copies of rare newspapers on microfilm, from a microfilm company that is out of business since the 1930's, and only 2 or 3 copies still exist in the US. Some people have scanned (on personal scanners) or taken pictures (with personal cameras) of pictures to get copies of professional portraits. I won't comment on the legality of this :) , but I have personally seen very good results with a scanner, and Photoshop Elements (which is about $99). The advantage of Photoshop is you can save in PDF format, which is what Adobe Acrobat reads. The Acrobat reader was free last time I checked. (This means you can email it to anyone!) Elements also allows for very sophisticated editing, so you can remove that pimple and un-recede that hair-line, too! Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: RE RESEARCH QUESTION > This question reminds me that I have been trying to reproduce a photograph > (of myself) taken about 5 years ago on one of those "glamour shot" programs. > I cannot do this because it is stamped "copyrighted" on the back, and I paid > over $150 for the makeup job and photo package. The company, now long gone, > was in San Diego, 100 miles from here. Kinkos, WalMart, Kodak, etc., are > telling me that the photo doesn't belong to me ! ! ! ! ! ! > > How come?? > > DORI in So Calif > > >

This question reminds me that I have been trying to reproduce a photograph (of myself) taken about 5 years ago on one of those "glamour shot" programs. I cannot do this because it is stamped "copyrighted" on the back, and I paid over $150 for the makeup job and photo package. The company, now long gone, was in San Diego, 100 miles from here. Kinkos, WalMart, Kodak, etc., are telling me that the photo doesn't belong to me ! ! ! ! ! ! How come?? DORI in So Calif

Asked my husband, who is an attorney for the Air Force, and doesn't do IP work. Off the cuff, he said it's a tedious question that needs more detail, but generally work product is the property of whoever paid for it, unless that right is waived. That being said, a lot of genealogy records are in the public domain. For example, deeds, tax records and marriage licenses. If one were to compile or excerpt a list of marriage licenses into book or electronic form, then it would be the property of whoever did the work, unless they were being paid for it, or sold their rights. The next question is, what damage was done? While I can understand that a person might wish his ancestry kept private for various reasons, if it is published, what is the loss? And, how do you quantify it? If the person published a book, then maybe it is quantifiable. But what if they sent it to Family Tree Maker, for free? A persons ancestry might be embarrassing, but how do you get compensated for embarrassment? I guess, in the end, maybe you need to be careful about whom you hire, and have an understanding of what is to be done with the information they find. Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Eaton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Research question > Hi Joy... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: September 16, 2002 15:43 > Subject: Research question > > > | If you pay a person to do research for you because you are out of state, > who > | owns the intellectual property of this research? Who has the right to > | publish this information? Just curious. > > This is one of those nasty questions lawyers love. Logic and common sense > tells me that if I am commissioning a project, I own it; however, lawyers > will argue otherwise. I would assume that if pay Joe Doe to find out where > Jack Flack was born and to get a copy of his birth certificate that you > could then compile that information into a useful Family Tree. > > Waiting to hear form some lawyer types....<g> > > Dave... > > >

John; Your best bet would be the Un. of DEL., in Newark. Pete McCue On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:09:26 -0700 John & Loretta Welsh <[email protected]> writes: > Hi List, > I will be travailing to New Castle Co. about the middle of Oct. and > I am > hoping someone might give me some hints on where to do research on > my > family line. As far as I know my family was only in the Brandywine > from > 1808 to 1816. My ggg grandfather was married, had a son and died > there. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks you for your time. > > John > > > > > > >

Hi Sharon, Thanks for the great ideas. John Boring, OR [email protected] wrote: >John, >We have some great research facilities nearby. The Hagley Museum has a >library and Soda House (this houses many manuscripts and information on the >Mill workers. >Delaware State Archives in Dover. The Historical Society in Wilmington and >the University of Delaware Library to name a few. The Corbit Calloway >memorial Library in Odessa has a wonderful Delaware research room. >Good Luck and I hope you enjoy your visit. > > >Sharon > > > >

Hi Pete, Thanks for the reply. I will try the University Library. John Peter B McCue wrote: >John; >Your best bet would be the Un. of DEL., in Newark. >Pete McCue > >On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:09:26 -0700 John & Loretta Welsh ><[email protected]> writes: > > >>Hi List, >>I will be travailing to New Castle Co. about the middle of Oct. and >>I am >>hoping someone might give me some hints on where to do research on >>my >>family line. As far as I know my family was only in the Brandywine >>from >>1808 to 1816. My ggg grandfather was married, had a son and died >>there. >> >>Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >>Thanks you for your time. >> >>John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

Hi Joy... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: September 16, 2002 15:43 Subject: Research question | If you pay a person to do research for you because you are out of state, who | owns the intellectual property of this research? Who has the right to | publish this information? Just curious. This is one of those nasty questions lawyers love. Logic and common sense tells me that if I am commissioning a project, I own it; however, lawyers will argue otherwise. I would assume that if pay Joe Doe to find out where Jack Flack was born and to get a copy of his birth certificate that you could then compile that information into a useful Family Tree. Waiting to hear form some lawyer types....<g> Dave...

Hi List, I will be travailing to New Castle Co. about the middle of Oct. and I am hoping someone might give me some hints on where to do research on my family line. As far as I know my family was only in the Brandywine from 1808 to 1816. My ggg grandfather was married, had a son and died there. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks you for your time. John

As they may take too long to download to send to the list, I'll send the following photos to you (and to others who may request copies) in a separate e-mail: 1. "Canby Vista," Rockford Park, Wilmington, DE 2. Hagley Museum Water Wheel, Wilmington, DE If by "race," they meant the industrial waterway adjacent to the creek, the photo of the canal in front of the Hagley Museum would be indicative of the location of the drowning. The Hagley Museum was originally the old E.I. DuPont powder mills which were in use until 1921. If by "race," they meant a fast portion of the creek (more likely, I would think, since they refer to the "south race," and the Brandywine runs generally north to south in that area), the view of the creek in the Rockford Park photo would be indicative of the location of the drowning. (Actually, Brandywine Park is a little downstream from Rockford Park and, as I recall, might have lower hills on each side but is otherwise similar.) Note that the Rockford Park photo dates to the early 1900's, not long before the time of the drowning. Hope this helps! Jeff Palmer - [email protected] * * * Quote of the Week: "A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away." -- Senator Barry Goldwater -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Brandywine Drowning 1917 Hello, Can anyone give me a feel for the area described below? My gr grandmother's brother drowned in 1917 and I received this short article yesterday. I am trying to picture the area he drowned . I thank you for any help. BERT FRENCH DROWNED Body Found in the RACE in Brandywine Park This Morning While Charles SLOCOMB was walking along the banks of the south race of the Brandywine early today, on his way to work, he found the body of Bert FRENCH, aged about 30 years, of 1908 Market Street lying in the race back of Bishopstead. He at once notified Deputy Coroner MCCRERY who removed the body to the morgue. It is thought that the man, while on his way home last night, fell overboard and was drowned. FRENCH was a painter employed at the HARLAN & HOLLINGSWORTH shops and is survived by a wife and one child. Thank you. Kathy Karn

Hello, Can anyone give me a feel for the area described below? My gr grandmother's brother drowned in 1917 and I received this short article yesterday. I am trying to picture the area he drowned . I thank you for any help. BERT FRENCH DROWNED Body Found in the RACE in Brandywine Park This Morning While Charles SLOCOMB was walking along the banks of the south race of the Brandywine early today, on his way to work, he found the body of Bert FRENCH, aged about 30 years, of 1908 Market Street lying in the race back of Bishopstead. He at once notified Deputy Coroner MCCRERY who removed the body to the morgue. It is thought that the man, while on his way home last night, fell overboard and was drowned. FRENCH was a painter employed at the HARLAN & HOLLINGSWORTH shops and is survived by a wife and one child. Thank you. Kathy Karn

If you pay a person to do research for you because you are out of state, who owns the intellectual property of this research? Who has the right to publish this information? Just curious. Joy

Hi Jim, Did anyone do the lookups for you? I may be able to help you. Billie

Mark, Saturday, 14 Sep 2002 Festival 12:00 noon to 3:00 PM The day will include crafts for children & adults, music, food, a bake sale, potted mums, & other flowers, a white elephant booth, plus a raffle for baskets of cheer & other wonderful items. Special Guest: Collection of Bethel artifacts. Neighboring historical Societies. Guest speaker: William TROPPMAN & others. NOTE: William TROPPMAN is an outstanding speaker! He did a lecture on Marcus Hook & The Revolutionary War at "Old St. Martin's" a few years ago. House Tour: 3:00 PM to 6:00 PM Dr. Mead F. SHAFFER's house on Bethel Road, Bethel Twp., PA: 1686 -- log house owned by Thomas GARRETT 1712 -- Robert BOOTH purchased house 1721 -- addition added Early 19th century -- log house removed & built stone section that you see today. 1830 -- BOOTH Family sold farm. The farm had several owners until... 1864 -- CHEYNEY bought farm & farmed it for over 100 yrs. 1966 -- Dr. Mead F. SHAFFER purchased property 1970 -- Stone barn rebuilt from ruins with help from the Amish. Original date of barn was c1750. 1980's -- New section added to the south side of house SOUTHERY Log House, c1683, Dr. SHAFFER just had rebuilt on his property. It had been dismantled in 1972, when it was going to be torn down. Other houses are on the tour but I do not have that information at this time. Tickets will be sold at the festival. Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) In a message dated 9/13/2 3:48:28 PM, MDixon1918 writes: << Hello. I was hoping you could give me an idea what will be happening at this Bethel Township event that you posted to the New Castle list today. Thanks! Mark E. Dixon Wayne, PA >>