-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone have any information on this chap - or any of the others below? He is from New Castle, I believe. I think he is my ggg G-father, but need more info to confirm - I suspect the following: Robenson E -> John R -> Norman H -> John T -> John T -> Me. He was born around 1832 (although various sources list just his age - such as 1880 Census, age 50 - whereas 1860 Census has year born 1832), married to Unica E. Here is a breakdown of his family from 1880 Census: Robenson ELLINGSWORTH1 Self M Male W 50 DE Farmer Unica ELLINGSWORTH2 Wife M Female W 50 DE Keeping House John R. ELLINGSWORTH3 Son S Male W 20 DE Works On Farm DE DE William T. ELLINGSWORTH4 Son S Male W 18 DE Works On Farm DE DE Phebe J. ELLINGSWORTH5 Dau S Female W 15 DE DE DE Ann E. ELLINGSWORTH6 Dau S Female W 11 DE DE DE Unica E. ELLINGSWORTH7 Dau S Female W 8 DE DE DE [email protected] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBPcl6aQbexkNIm1OFEQJEZACeMRlgnwPVRWp0Do9CgNM0xeOB/rMAoPQp a7BMW9t4HR+1ajjm1a+FIcDm =IVha -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Hi List: Searching for a child born around 1916-'17 or '18 in Hartford, CT. to CLARA GUSBERG (who married Samuel Edward Cole in Hartford, CT. in Aug. 1917) I believe the child (gender unknown) may have been placed up for adoption. The Coles moved to 48 Choate St., in Newark, DE. and were there in 1918. Please reply directly. Thank you. [email protected]

Dori, You raise some excellent questions! I do know a living person (in Georgia) can get inaccuracies to a birth certificate changed on something called, I think, an amended certificate. However, for one that was done many years ago, the best thing might be to send some documentation to the LDS folks and request that changes be made to their records. Also, you could post the information on the internet at Rootsweb World Connect or other such sites. It is frustrating to see wrong information "out there". I have something similar with a Revolutionary ancestor to whom extra children were attached. It is very difficult to get people to change their records I have found. Many are more interested in the quantity of their compiled records and not the quality of the research. Keep trying! Others may have better suggestions. Marilyn Matthews Lear ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: LDS Records and accuracy > But what do you do when you have researched the documents and the documents > are wrong?? A close friend for whom I have tried to establish a family tree > has pointed out the errors as follows: > > My friend is one of 10 children born to Mr. X and Mrs. X ---- when the birth > certificates were written five indicated that Mrs X was born in Illinois, > five indicated that she was born in Kansas. (It WAS Kansas.) > > Mrs. X death certificate indicated that she was the daughter of Mr. CHARLES > something (of Illinois). She was the daughter of Mr. ANDREW (something) of > Illinois. (I have the census copy). The information given to the doctor > writing up the birth/death certificates was given by someone who knew > absolutely nothing positive about Mrs. origins, but this all appears in the > IGI files. WE know the difference, but when generations down the line may > try to establish the tree, they will have a very hard time trying to figure > it out. What to do when the birth certificates of 70-90 years ago are > wrong?? > > DORI >

But what do you do when you have researched the documents and the documents are wrong?? A close friend for whom I have tried to establish a family tree has pointed out the errors as follows: My friend is one of 10 children born to Mr. X and Mrs. X ---- when the birth certificates were written five indicated that Mrs X was born in Illinois, five indicated that she was born in Kansas. (It WAS Kansas.) Mrs. X death certificate indicated that she was the daughter of Mr. CHARLES something (of Illinois). She was the daughter of Mr. ANDREW (something) of Illinois. (I have the census copy). The information given to the doctor writing up the birth/death certificates was given by someone who knew absolutely nothing positive about Mrs. origins, but this all appears in the IGI files. WE know the difference, but when generations down the line may try to establish the tree, they will have a very hard time trying to figure it out. What to do when the birth certificates of 70-90 years ago are wrong?? DORI

Cathy and others, About ten years ago, a rerpresentative of the LDS Church spoke to our genealogy group in Brunswick, Georgia, and said that about 25% of their genealogy information was INCORRECT. This is because they take the family information sent to them and simply do not have the manpower or time to check it out. In many cases conflicting information is received. However, she said that each year they are improving the accuracy of their data, SO by now it should be somewhat more reliable. My advice is to document everything and question everything. Marilyn Matthews Lear Jacksonville, Florida

Cathy, I was the one who posted the message and I also sent the message to the Salem County, NJ list as well. I did get answer's from them, but of course it went onto the Salem County list. Do you me to post some of those replies onto the Delaware list? All of the answers were very helpful. Thanks. Teri Tighe > I haven't seen a reply to this question and would like to tell you of my > experience. I spent 15 days at the LDS library in SLC and had a wonderful > time. They have a large group of volunteers busy transcribing church > records, etc onto the IGI. Those records are as good as the original books. > However, there are problems with other sources, especially the very early > ones. One of the most striking example of that is the birthdate for one of > my ancestors. There were six birthdates given, each from a different person > who had sent in his or her pedigree chart. No primary source was given. > Also in the early days the Mormons who filed their own family histories did > not have primary sources for all their information and sometimes relied on > family memory or tradition. > > The batch code number tells the source of the information and you can get > that from the library by sending them the code #. There are certain code #s > which are never primary sources but I don't remember them anymore. I am > sure a phone call to SLC library would get you someone who would give you > the source. You want a primary one - church, courthouse, family Bible, etc. > > Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:38 AM > Subject: Books and Records - Late 1700's to 1840 > > > > I'm emailing a few of my related mailing lists in hopes of getting > specific answers back from those lists. > > > > Can anyone tell me if we should rely 100% on the microfilm that the LDS > and FHC have on file regarding births, deaths, deeds, probate, wills, > marriages, etc. > > > > I'm asking because one of the family members who is helping with research > got alot of films from the LDS and FHC and found nothing to what she was > looking for. I was wondering if alot of the historical societies, genealogy > societies in each county and/or state would have alot of books that haven't > been microfilmed. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Teri Tighe > > > >

I haven't seen a reply to this question and would like to tell you of my experience. I spent 15 days at the LDS library in SLC and had a wonderful time. They have a large group of volunteers busy transcribing church records, etc onto the IGI. Those records are as good as the original books. However, there are problems with other sources, especially the very early ones. One of the most striking example of that is the birthdate for one of my ancestors. There were six birthdates given, each from a different person who had sent in his or her pedigree chart. No primary source was given. Also in the early days the Mormons who filed their own family histories did not have primary sources for all their information and sometimes relied on family memory or tradition. The batch code number tells the source of the information and you can get that from the library by sending them the code #. There are certain code #s which are never primary sources but I don't remember them anymore. I am sure a phone call to SLC library would get you someone who would give you the source. You want a primary one - church, courthouse, family Bible, etc. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Books and Records - Late 1700's to 1840 > I'm emailing a few of my related mailing lists in hopes of getting specific answers back from those lists. > > Can anyone tell me if we should rely 100% on the microfilm that the LDS and FHC have on file regarding births, deaths, deeds, probate, wills, marriages, etc. > > I'm asking because one of the family members who is helping with research got alot of films from the LDS and FHC and found nothing to what she was looking for. I was wondering if alot of the historical societies, genealogy societies in each county and/or state would have alot of books that haven't been microfilmed. > > Thanks for any help. > > Teri Tighe > >

Chapters XLI thru XLV from the the book "Chronicles of the Great Rebellion" by Rev. Allen M. Scott, D. D., 1864 http://www.bitsofblueandgray.com/chapters_xli_xlv.htm are now available for reading on the Bits of Blue and Gray website. Jayne McCormick [email protected] <A HREF="http://www.bitsofblueandgray.com/index.htm">bitsofblueandgray.com</A>

Thank you so much! I hope we can make this work. I was just reading on the internet about 7-Eleven tearing down an old Victorian house in Front Royal, Virginia to build one of their stores. I think people need to really put up a fuss and get wide publicity or there will be nothing left of the past in this country. Nancy Dunlap www.geocities.com/friendsofpennyhill

Henry STIDHAM. Brd'y Hd. 24 Jun 1757. 16 Dec 1750. Misc I:444 Wife Margery STIDHAM; sons Jacob, Adam & Henry; dtrs Margaret, Sarah, Ann, Susannah & Mary. Exec: son Jacob STIDHAM, John ALLMOND. John ALLMON. (Nunc) B'wine Hd. 11 Nov 1761. 13 Nov 1761. H & I:528 Three children: one son; two dtrs; brother William ALLMON. Attested by William STEDHAM, Susannah STEDHAM, John PETERSON. William FORWOOD. B'wine Hd. 13 Aug 1771. 18 Jan 1777. K:342. Wife Mary; sons William, John, James, Joseph, Jacob & Samuel; three dtrs Margaret DUNNING, wife of Simon DUNNING; Mary ALMOND, widow of William ALMOND; Rebecca BRIERLY, wife of Hugh BRIERLY; grandsons John BRIERLY, Michael DUNNING, William FORWOOD, son of Samuel; grnddtr Hannah ALMOND. Exec: sons John & Samuel. William ALLMOND. B'wine Hd. 07 Feb 1781. 17 Dec 1785. M:166 Wife --------; son Thomas; grndsn William ALLMOND; Edward BEESON, William & Isaac TUSSEY, John STAPLES. Exec: son Thomas. Cornelius DERRICKSON. Yeoman. B'wine Hd. 20 Feb 1787. 07 Apr 1787. M:259 Wife Mary; son Cornelius; three dtrs Jane SENEX, Catharine ALLMOND & Mary DERRICKSON. Exec: wife Mary DERRICKSON. Exec: wife Mary; son in law Thomas ALLMOND. Mary ALLMOND. Widow. B'wine Hd. 31 Jul 1794. 16 Aug 1794. N:450 Son John; dtrs Elizabeth ELLIOTT, Mary McKEE, Margaret BROOKS, Ann DERRICKSON, Sarah ALLMOND, Rebecca ALLMOND & Isabel JACKSON. Exec: Isaac STEVENSON. Thomas ALMOND. B'wine Hd. 31 Jan 1797. 08 Mar 1797. O:222 Wife Catherine; son William; dtrs Elioner, Mary, Margaret & Elizabeth. Exec: Isaac STEVENSON.

W(H)ELDIN, WHEELDON, WELDON William HATTEN. Dk Crk Hd. 09 Feb 1687. Misc I:174 Wife Elizabeth; two dtrs, youngest Martha; James HARRISON; kinswoman Mary HALL. Exec: wife, Elizabeth WHULDON, Rebecca HATTON, Joseph HOULDING, Isaac WHULDON. Joseph WHEELDON. Husbandman. NC. 28 Feb 1721. 02 Oct 1721. C:334 Wife Bridget; son Isaac; son Joseph. Exec: wife Bridget WHEELON. Richard GREEN. 15 Mar 1725. 12 Jul 1726. Misc I:89 Brother Jacob WELDIN; couzen Mary WILLIAM. Exec: mother Mary GREEN. Isaac WELDON. Carpenter. 01 Feb 1746. 09 Mar 1746. Misc 2:13 Wife Anne; son Joseph; son William; youngest son Abraham. Exec: wife Anne. William WELDON. 30 Mar 1766. 21 Jun 1766. H & I:144. Wife; son Isaac WELDON'; dtrs. Exec: wife John WELDIN. 31 Mar 1767. 25 Mar 1774. K:124 Son James WHELDON; sons John and Joseph WHELDON; grandson William SHAW. Exec: son James; dtr Mary. Hugh HUTCHINSON. Yeoman. Appo Hd. 06 Apr 1780. 23 Aug 1782. L:291 Wife Mary; dtrs Mary WELDON, Martha THOMAS, Ann HUTCHINSON; son John. Exec: wife Mary; son John. Joseph WHELDIN. 27 Oct 1781. 08 Dec 1783. L:373 Wife Sarah; sons Joseph, Benjamin and Josiah; dtrs Elizabeth and Elida. Exec: wife Sarah. Sarah WELDIN. Widow. Port Penn. 03 Nov 1787. 22 Nov 1787. M:292 Dtr Lydia, wife of Joseph HARRIS; dtr Elizabeth, wife of Richard SIMMONS; sons Benjamin and Josia WELDIN. Isaac WELDIN. Husbandman. B'wyne Hd. 05 Sep 1788. 15 Sep 1788. M:348 Wife ------; children, Jacob WELDON, George WELDIN, Isabel SHARPLEY, Margaret KINSMAN, Sarah SMITH, Mary WELDIN and Eli WELDIN. Exec: son Jacob. Richard KELLAM. Farmer. B'wyne Hd. 28 Dec 1786. 04 Oct 1793. N:356. Son David; grandson Isaac WELDON, son of dtr Mary; dtr Margaret RAMBO. Exec: son David & John WHITE.

Hi list(s), I received a query in regard to saving the WELDIN - ALLMOND Family House at 302 Philadelphia Pike in Wilmington, at the corner of Lore Avenue, Marsh Road and Philadelphia Pike. Please read the following & if anyone can help in any way possible please contact: Nancy Dunlap [email protected] QUERY: <<I live next door to the house that George and Elizabeth (Allmond) Weldin lived in, in Delaware. Currently a 7-Eleven wants to buy the property and put in a convenience store and gas pumps. The neighborhood is trying to save the historic house. I am working on research about the families that lived there. I saw your name when searching a genealogical web site and was hoping you might have further information about them. Please write back. You can see our website at www.geocities.com/friendsofpennyhill . Thank you in advance, Nancy Dunlap>> From: [email protected] Date: 2002/11/01 Fri AM 09:24:18 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Re: weldin allmond Hi Nancy, What kind of info are you looking for on the WELDIN-ALLMOND family? You didn't give any dates on them & you did not mention the place in Delaware they are from. Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) RESPONSE: <<The property in question is at 302 Philadelphia Pike in Wilmington, at the corner of Lore Avenue, Marsh Road and Philadelphia Pike. It looks, from deed records, the property was originally in the hands of the Allmonds, and deeded to Elizabeth Allmond when she married George Weldin around 1790. The house appears to have been built about that time. The Weldins appear to have kept it in the family until sometime around the late 1800's . At some point, the state of Delaware owned it, I think, but then Benjamin Veasey was the owner until the 1920's. In order to save the house, I need to know more about the owners so that we can push the "historical significance" aspect. Land Use people indicated to us that just because something is old, they don't consider it valuable. Seven Eleven sure doesn't care. They said, at a recent meeting, that they don't even believe it is older than this century. You can just look at it and see otherwise. Nancy Dunlap Please send e-mail to 7-Eleven to register your opposition to the demolition of the Weldin House. [email protected]>> Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) P.S. Please pass this onto others who might be interested.

The November Column "More Letters to Share" has been added to the Bits of Blue and Gray website. The letters are to and from the family of Levi McCormick. Also included is the Gettysburg Address, November being the 139th Anniversary. http://www.bitsofblueandgray.com/november2002.htm Jayne McCormick [email protected] <A HREF="http://www.bitsofblueandgray.com/index.htm">bitsofblueandgray.com</A>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone have any information on this chap? I think he is my ggg G-father, but need more info to confirm - I suspect the following: Robenson E -> John R -> Norman H -> John T -> John T -> Me. He was born in 1832 (although various sources list just age, such as 1880 Census, while 1860 Census has 1832), married to Unica E. Here is a breakdown of his family from 1880 Census: Robenson ELLINGSWORTH1 Self M Male W 50 DE Farmer Unica ELLINGSWORTH2 Wife M Female W 50 DE Keeping House John R. ELLINGSWORTH3 Son S Male W 20 DE Works On Farm DE DE William T. ELLINGSWORTH4 Son S Male W 18 DE Works On Farm DE DE Phebe J. ELLINGSWORTH5 Dau S Female W 15 DE DE DE Ann E. ELLINGSWORTH6 Dau S Female W 11 DE DE DE Unica E. ELLINGSWORTH7 Dau S Female W 8 DE DE DE Thanks, John Ellingsworth Project Leader Virtual Curriculum PGP Public Keyring: http://ellingsworth.org/pubring.pkr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBPb1TkgbexkNIm1OFEQILXwCgyxQhdZlJyiWY7jYI2Ffhp8JAzC4An28M EqrwE25osLzq2YIr+Zdn+26f =1Woq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Hi Barbara, Thank you so very much! :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) In a message dated 10/27/2 6:19:17 PM, [email protected] writes: << Says its an English-Lenape dic. http://www.carhart.com/~pierce/lenape/master1d.htm http://www.delawaretribeofindians.nsn.us/language.html Barbara Johnson >>

Says its an English-Lenape dic. http://www.carhart.com/~pierce/lenape/master1d.htm http://www.delawaretribeofindians.nsn.us/language.html Barbara Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Lenape Words Hi lists, Would anyone know the Lenape word for "witchcraft," "witch" or the word meaning "the black arts." Does anyone know a website for a Lenape Dictionary? Thank you very much for any help you can give me! :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Hi lists, Would anyone know the Lenape word for "witchcraft," "witch" or the word meaning "the black arts." Does anyone know a website for a Lenape Dictionary? Thank you very much for any help you can give me! :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Karen and Nancy, Thanks for the advice. I can use all the help I can get. I have membership at ancestry.com...and had used their index for 1930 census...it said the Bartels family I was looking for was on page 2A...but 2 was blank...and after searching around I found it on page 5. Martha

Martha, and to others using the Ancestry.com Online Census Images...unfortunately, page numbers listed rarely match up to the actual page in the census. I usually try to check the actual page number first, if it is listed, then look for other page numbers on the individual census images. Usually you can find a page number in the upper right corner or left corner of the image. Some images also have two page numbers (left and right corner) that don't usually match each other. The ones in the upper left tend to be handwritten numbers, and many times match the page numbers for Ancestry.com (but not always). The ones in the upper right tend to be "stamped" on numbers that would be more like page numbers noted in a book, and many times don't match Ancestry.com's reference number. Think about the fact that the census was usually written in a book form, so you sometimes "skip" pages (i.e. page 125 will actually be two images, and then you will find 126). I'd also suggest reading the FAQ about searching page numbers on Ancestry.com, as it is helpful. I find it hard to locate things easily, but once you start doing it over and over, it gets easier. Hope this helps some!! Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Gates" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Census > Karen and Nancy, > Thanks for the advice. I can use all the help I can get. > I have membership at ancestry.com...and had used their index > for 1930 census...it said the Bartels family I was looking > for was on page 2A...but 2 was blank...and after searching > around I found it on page 5. > Martha > >

Baptisms at St. Martin's Church, Marcus Hook, PA: 17 Dec 1837 - John LARKIN, Jr. - adult - by Rev. M. R. TALBOT 30 Sep 1838 - Wm Gray VERNON, b. 24 Apr 1838 son of Abner & Esther VERNON - by Rev. M. R. TALBOT 23 Mar 1845 - Harriet Daisy STEVENSON - adult - by A. B. HARD 25 Mar 1855 - David COBOURN 2 Jul 1871 - Harriet Daisy, daughter of John B. & Rachel (Stevenson) SMITH Confirmation: 6 Feb 1843 - Abner VERNON 11 May 1845 - Harriet D. STEVENSON - confirmed by Bishop LEE 5/4/1845 Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)