We have another DNA test result posted. My 4th cousin, Roger Deloach, had his results posted in the Relative Genetics data base this afternoon. Roger is acting as a surrogate for his sister Marilyn Deloach Elliott. I have extracted his numbers, and posted them on our Project's Test Results page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~javan/desloges/dna/results/results.htm Roger and I match except for one difference on DYS19. Not bad for fourth cousins. A check on the MRCA calculator says that we probably share a common ancestor somewhere between 2 and 45 generations, with the most likely MRCA at 9 generations. That is about as close as you can get with just a 26 marker test. In fact, we have the same great great great granddad, John DeLoach, 5 generations back. He's the one that we East Tennessee DeLoaches are trying to tie-in with a South Carolina DeLoach branch. Mike

At 2/13/2007 03:19 PM, William Fish wrote: >Have records of Martha E DeLoach........ Hi Bill, Thanks. I've got her but with a slightly different DOB. I took another look at the data in the SMGF data base, and it is quite apparent that somehow they have gotten two different families mixed together in the ancestral file. It looks to me like the DNA submitters were interested in the Boone family of Georgia. BTW, my DNA did not come close to matching any of the four Boone submitters. Mike

Mike, I sent that one too soon, glanced at census Search > Census > U.S. Census > 1900 United States Federal Census > Georgia > Liberty > Militia District 1132 > District 85 Image 12 Fam 99 John DeLaoch fam 100 Hansford McDonald Margaret DeLoach fam 101 Jackson McDonald (probable brother) Fam 102 John McDonald (another brother) Boone, Daisy step dau Link should come through in your copy if not it's Ancsetry.com. Bill

Mike, Have records of Martha E DeLoach 3/22/1871 Liberty County, GA married Julis H McDonald. She was listed in the E L Darling Funeral Home Records as the daughter of John W DeLoach and Jane Martin. She died 6/2/1931 and was buried in Ritch Cemetery, Wayne County.The family was in Liberty 1900 census, Ritch, Wayne 1920 census. One child listed in the 1900 census Daniel bn1899. May be some of the DeLoach kin, using a surrogate. Descendants of John Allen DeLoach 1 John Allen DELOACH 1862 - 1935 b: 25 Jun 1862 in Tattnall Co, GA d: 09 Feb 1935 in Pierce County, GA. Burial: Alabaha Cemetery, Pierce Co, GA .. +Martha WILKINSON 1868 - 1944 b: 16 Jan 1868 in Tattnall Co, GA m: 11 Aug 1884 in Liberty Co, GA d: 11 Apr 1944 in Pierce County, GA. Burial: Alabaha Cemetery, Pierce Co, GA Father: William Riley WILKINSON Mother: Mary EASTERLING ... 2 John A DELOACH 1885 - b: 1885 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA ... 2 William E DELOACH 1889 - 1938 b: 03 Nov 1889 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA d: 16 Oct 1938 in , Pierce, Georgia, USA ....... +Mary A ROBERTS 1896 - 1937 b: 15 Jan 1896 d: 18 Oct 1937 in , Pierce, Georgia, USA ........ 3 Annie W DELOACH 1916 - b: 1916 in Georgia ........ 3 William H DELOACH 1918 - b: 1918 in Georgia ........ 3 Dorris Edward DELOACH 1919 - 1971 b: 25 Dec 1919 in , Pierce, Georgia, USA d: 21 Nov 1971 in , Pierce, Georgia, USA ............ +Thedius B UNK 1925 - b: 15 Oct 1925 ... 2 Mary O DELOACH 1891 - b: 1891 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA ... 2 Thomas W DELOACH 1892 - 1920 b: 03 Nov 1892 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA d: 12 Dec 1920 in , Pierce, Georgia, USA ... 2 Asa I DELOACH 1895 - 1937 b: 05 Feb 1895 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA d: 12 Jan 1937 in , Pierce, Georgia, USA ... 2 Jackson L DELOACH 1897 - b: 1897 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA ... 2 Ethna M DELOACH 1899 - b: 1899 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA ... 2 Lizzie DELOACH 1900 - b: 1900 in , Wayne, Georgia, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javan Michael DeLoach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: [DELOACH] John Allen DeLoach DNA > In the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) data base, > there are four records seemingly with a DeLoach surname. I say > seemingly, because when the ancestral chart is examined, it appears > that the data has been corrupted. John Allen DeLoach becomes John > Allen McDonald and marries into the Boone family.

In the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) data base, there are four records seemingly with a DeLoach surname. I say seemingly, because when the ancestral chart is examined, it appears that the data has been corrupted. John Allen DeLoach becomes John Allen McDonald and marries into the Boone family. The oldest generations of interest to DeLoach researchers in this ancestral chart are Joseph DeLoach (1806-1883 in Georgia), wife Sarah Ann Barnard, and their son John Allen DeLoach (1840-1862), wife Rebecca Ann Elizabeth Johnson. John and Rebecca had a son John Allen DeLoach II. Following John Sr's death in the Civil War, his widow married William M. Rolls in Tattnall County, GA, and they had five children. John Allen II married Martha R. Wilkinson in Liberty County, GA, and they had eight children: 1. John Allen DeLoach II, son of John Allen DeLoach and Rebecca Ann Elizabeth Johnson, was born on 25 Jun 1862. John married Martha R Wilkinson on 11 Aug 1884 in Liberty County, Georgia. Martha was born in Jan 1868 in Georgia. Children from this marriage were: John A. DeLoach was born in Dec 1884 in Wayne County, Georgia, died about 1956 in Wayne County, Georgia about age 72, and was buried in Jesup City Cemetery, Wayne County, Georgia. William E. DeLoach was born in Nov 1888 in Wayne County, Georgia. Mary O. DeLoach was born in Dec 1890 in Wayne County, Georgia. Thomas W. DeLoach was born in Mar 1893 in Wayne County, Georgia. Asa I. DeLoach was born in Feb 1895 in Wayne County, Georgia. Jackson DeLoach was born in Dec 1896 in Wayne County, Georgia. Ethna M. DeLoach was born in Dec 1898 in Wayne County, Georgia. Lizzie DeLoach was born in Dec 1899 in Wayne County, Georgia. My reason for posting this information is an attempt to make contact with any of the four persons who submitted their DNA sample to SMGF. If you are a member of the DeLoach Mail List, please contact me. Mike

For those with DeLoach ancestry in Bulloch County: From: [email protected] From the BULLOCH TIMES: 1.) Issue of Thursday, August 10, 1916 - Married - In Atlanta, May 9, Chester DELOACH of Evans Co. to Miss Evelyn STANDRIDGE of Douglasville, Ga., youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.N. STANDRIDGE. The groom is the son of Mr. and Mrs. A.L. DELOACH of Claxton. 2.) Issue of Thursday, July 15, 1920 - Died - Ed DELOACH, son of E.A. DELOACH of the Bay district, at Parrish Island, S.c., Mond., when a tire burst and struck him in the forehead. Burial in Bulloch Co. 3.) Issue of Thursday, July 15, 1920 - Died - John DELOACH, 50, brother of Sheriff W.H. DELOACH, Sun. in Liberty Co. He was a native of Bulloch Co. His wife and a number of children survive. 4.) Issue of Thursday, March 6, 1919 - Died - Alton DELOACH, 17, son of the late J. Milton DELOACH, Sun. Interment at Lower Black Creek. 5.) Issue of Thursday, February 3, 1916 - Married - Miss Nannie ANDERSON and Barbour DELOACH, Monday. Rev. J.F. SINGLETON officiating. 6.) Issue of Thursday, January 25, 1917 - Married - Sat., Miss Blanche DELOACH, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.H. DELOACH, and James Allen FRANKLIN, of Midville. 7.) Issue of Thursday, January 25, 1917 - Married - Mrs. Birdie V. DELOACH and Noyce FANNING, Wed., Jan. 24, at the residence of her sister, Mrs. L.O. SCARBORO, Rev. THRASHER officiating. 8.) Issue of Thursday, June 2, 1921 - Died - Mrs. Lee DELOACH, wife of Dr. D.O. DELOACH, Sun. in Savannah. She was Miss Lee MIKELL, daughter of J.S. MIKELL. Her husband, father, four brothers, T.V., Remer, Brooks, and Allen MIKELL, two daughters Elsie and Elizabeth, and one son Charlie survive. 9.) Issue of Thursday, June 28, 1917 - Died - (From Millen, June 27) This morning, Mrs. Electra Tyler DELOACH, wife of Dr. Charles V. DELOACH, of typhoid fever. She was a native of Bamburg, S.C. Surviving are two brothers, W.N. TYLER, of Millen and J.B. TYLER of Waynesboro, one sister, Mrs. J.P. OTT of Columbia, her husband, and one son, Earl T. DELOACH of Millen. Interment in Millen Cemetery. 10.) Issue of Thursday, May 31, 1923 - Obituary - Willie Bernice MILLER died May 16, 1923. She was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Chas. W. DELOACH and was born Sept. 1, 1902, married Grady MILLER June 26, 1921. Burial at Red Hill Cemetery beside her sister, Vivian, who died a few years ago. Her husband, parents, four sisters and two brothers survive. 11.) Issue of Thursday, June 17, 1920 - Married - Miss Mary Louise BRANNEN, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. D.A. BRANNEN, and Ellis Young DELOACH of Claxton, on June 16. 12.) Issue of Thursday, January 1, 1920 - Died - J.H. (Josh) DELOACH, Thurs., his body found hanging over the front of his buggy at the gate of his home. Burial at DELOACH's Church. 13.) Issue of Thursday, August 2, 1923 - Died - John G. JONES, 77, Mon. He is survived by his wife, four sons, Tullis, Geiger, Robert and Tony, and five daughters, Mrs. T.C. DEKLE, Mrs. Glenn BLAND, Mrs. J.F. HORNE, Mrs. J.G. MOORE and Mrs. Leffer DELOACH. Burial in East Side. 14.) Issue of Thursday, May 24, 1917 - Died - Monday at the home of T.J. DENMARK, Oscar "Chick" DELOACH, 57. Burial at Lower Black Creek. He was a native of Bulloch Co. but had lived in Savannah for the past 20 years. One son and one daughter survive. His wife died 15 months ago. He was a brother of Sheriff DELOACH and of Mrs. T.J. DENMARK. 15.) Issue of Thursday, February 24, 1916 - Died - Mrs. Oscar "Chick" DELOACH, Sunday, at her home in Savannah. She was a daughter of the late Joe WATERS and a native of Bulloch Co. Burial at Black Creek Church. 16.) Issue of Thursday, November 23, 1922 - Died (From SAVANNAH MORNING NEWS, Mon.) Lawrence MITCHELL, shot and killed Sat. by A.L. JILES, near Guyton. Surviving are his widow, Mrs. Bertie MITCHELL; three sons, T.J., Watson and James MITCHELL; one daughter, Elinor; mother, Mrs. W.W. MITCHELL, all of Pembroke; four brothers, J.M., of Statesboro, W.M., of Pembroke, L.M. and U.R., of Savannah; six sisters, Mrs. Dora LANE, of Brooklet, Mrs. Susie DELOACH, of Statesboro, Mrs. Agnes DENMARK and Mrs. Ella EYLER, of Pembroke. Burial at Red Hill Church. 17.) Issue of Thursday, March 27, 1919 - Died - Milenton WATERS, 81, Monday, due to asthma. His wife and several sons and daughters survive, among them Mrs. W.H. DELOACH. 18.) Issue of Thursday, February 28, 1918 - Died - Mrs. W.E. JONES, 45, of Metter, killed instantly Sat. when the car in which she was riding overturned. Her husband, six daughters, Pearl, Nina, Maggie Mae, Mary, Amy, and Willie Belle, and five brothers, Elder J. Walter HENDRICKS of Sardis, G.B., N.D., C.R., AND M.B. HENDRICKS, father and mother, Mr. and Mrs. Merida HENDRICKS survive. She was a sister of Mrs. W.W. DELOACH. Interment at Upper Lotts Creek. 19.) Issue of Thursday, September 11, 1924 - Married - Miss Clara Leek DELOACH, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A.L. DELOACH, to Robert Shelton PASCHAL, of Charlotte, N.C., last Thursday. Miss Lucille DELOACH, sister of the bride, was maid of honor. Her brother, Harry DELOACH, gave her away. 20.) Issue of Thursday, August 27, 1925 - To be married - Allie Lucille, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A.L. DELOACH, to Samuel P. TRAPNELL, in the fall. 21.) Issue of Thursday, November 12, 1925 - Married - Miss Lucile DELOACH, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A.L. DELOACH, and Samuel TRAPNELL, of Milledgeville, on Nov. 7. LeGrande DELOACH, brother of the bride, gave her away. The couple will live in Milledgeville. 22.) Issue of Thursday, March 14, 1929 - Died - Herman DELOACH, 27, Tues. He is survived by his parents, two sisters, Mrs. J.A. FRANKLIN, Midville, and Miss Thelma DELOACH, three brothers, Logan DELOACH, Savannah, and John and Bill DELOACH, Statesboro. Burial in East Side. 23.) Issue of Thursday, January 31, 1929 - Died (From Portal, Ga. Jan. 29) Horace W. DELOACH, 62, a native of Bulloch Co. Burial Tues., in East Side. He is survived by his wife, his father R.W. DELOACH, four sisters, Mrs. Andrew JOHNSON, Garfield; Mrs. J.A. GROVENSTEIN, Atlanta; Mrs. A.H. WOODS and Mrs. H.W. ROCKER, Portal; three brothers, Lloyd, Bloys and Jim, all of Jacksonville. 24.) Issue of Thursday, December 1, 1927 - Died - When the car in which he was riding overturned last Thurs., Morgan Brown DELOACH, 22. Burial at Upper Black Creek Church. Surviving are his father, Call J. DELOACH and the following siblings: Lois, Eunice, Mrs. Vernon WILSON, Corbett, Bobbie and Stewart DELOACH. 25.) Issue of Thursday, July 3, 1924 - Died - Mrs. Hester WATERS, 78, on June 24. Four daughters and two sons survive: Miss Lizzie WATERS, Mrs. J.M. MARTIN, Mrs. F.T. KICKLIGHTER, Mrs. W.H. DELOACH and T.M. and L.L. WATERS. 26.) Issue of Thursday, May 23, 1929 - Married - Florence Adele, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Alfred N. BURNHAMS of Chicago, to Edward Lowell DELOACH, Apr. 29, in Jerusalem, Palestine. Mr. DELOACH is the son of R.J.H. DELOACH and grandson of Judge E.D. HOLLAND and Z.T. DELOACH. 27.) Issue of Thursday, September 1, 1927 - Married - Miss Evelyn DELOACH, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. R.J.H. DELOACH, of Chicago, and Lawrence K. LOCKLIN, of Chicago, on Aug. 27, at the home of the bride's aunt, Mrs. C.W. ENNEIS, in Statesboro, Judge E.D. HOLLAND, grandfather of the bride, officiating. Louise DELOACH is sister of the bride. 28.) Issue of Thursday, May 1, 1924 - Died - Mrs. E.A. HANNAH, 89, Fri., at the home of her son, T.A. HANNAH. She was a native of Jefferson Co., Ga. Surviving are the one son and the following grandchildren: Mrs. F.L. DELOACH, Savannah; Mrs. R.L. WHITEHEAD, Matansas, Cuba; Mrs. E.E. GRIFFIN, Gibson, Ga.; Mrs. B.F. WOODWARD, Savannah; Dr. C.E. STAPLETON, Nevils; Cluese I. STAPLETON, Los Angeles; also one brother, J.B. WILLIAMS, Avera, Ga., and one sister, Mrs. Martha WHITLEY, Gibson, Ga. Burial at Harville Church. 29.) Issue of Thursday, April 18, 1929 - Memoriam - Herman L. DELOACH was born May 5, 1902 and died Mar. 12, 1921. He was a son of William H. and Georgia V. DELOACH. 30.) Issue of Thursday, April 1, 1926 - Born - A son, George Clarence, Jr., to Mr. and Mrs. G.C. GOULD, of Claxton, on Mar. 17. Mrs. GOULD was Miss Iler Mae DELOACH. 31.) Issue of Thursday, January 22, 1925 - Died - Mrs. Jane DELOACH, 83, Sun., at the home of her son W.W. DELOACH. Burial in the DELOACH Cemetery. 32.) Issue of Thursday, June 10, 1926 - Died - Allison DEAL, 75, Tues. He is survived by his wife and the following children: Mrs. Josephine DELOACH, of Brooklet; Mrs. Missouri BARNES, of Bloomingdale; Mrs. Mattie LEE, of Jacksonville; Mrs. Ruth MARTIN, of Atlanta; Mrs. Mittie SMOAK of Monteith; Mrs. Lollie Mae RICHARDSON, Jacksonville; Mrs. Willard WALLER, Savannah; Oscar DEAL, Stilson; James DEAL, of Monteith; Arthur DEAL, Savannah; Curtis DEAL, Savannah; J.F. Brannen DEAL, Stilson. One son Carswell DEAL died in France in the World War. Burial in the family cemetery. 33.) Issue of Thursday, July 15, 1926 - Married - Mrs. Ann Lucile JORDAN and LeGrande H. DELOACH, both of Savannah, on July 4, in Daytona Beach, Fla. 34.) Issue of Thursday, September 12, 1929 - Married - Sept. 6, Miss Thelma DELOACH, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.H. DELOACH, to Thomas Fowler TAYLOR, only child of Mr. and Mrs. Samuel TAYLOR, of Auburn, N.Y. Logan DELOACH, of Savannah, is a brother of the bride. 35.) Issue of Thursday, February 12, 1925 - Born - In Tampa, Fla., Feb. 6, a daughter, Ruth LaVerne, to Mr. and Mrs. Clifton BADGER. Mrs. BADGER was Maggie Mae DELOACH. 36.) Issue of Thursday, December 24, 1925 - Married - Miss Vennie Mae ANDERSON, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. C.H. ANDERSON, to Thomas BLITCH, of Blitchton, Dec. 22. Mrs. W.A. DELOACH, of Beaufort, S.C., a sister of the bride, was matron of honor. Miss Ethel ANDERSON was maid of honor. 37.) Issue of Thursday, January 8, 1925 - Died - On Dec. 27, Leon WATERS, 47. Surviving are his wife, six small children and the following sisters and brothers: Mrs. J.M. MARTIN, Mrs. F.T. KICKLIGHTER, Miss Lizzie WATERS, and Mrs. W.H. DELOACH, all of Bulloch and T.M. WATERS, of Jacksonville, Fla. 38.) Issue of Thursday, September 22, 1927 - Died - Merida HENDRIX, 76, after an operation for intestinal trouble. He is survived by five sons and one daughter: Charlie, Noah, Bruce and Beauford HENDRIX of this county, Elder Walter J. HENDRIX, of Savannah, and Mrs. W.W. DELOACH of Statesboro.

At 09:16 AM 2/6/2007, Barbara Daniels wrote: >What are your thoughts on this info? One of the things that we all learn doing genealogical research is that most often, new information will be found which changes previously held beliefs. This is particularly true the further back in history you go, primarily because of the lack of extant official records. So, was Rowland Griffith/Griffeth born in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, or was he shipped from the Bridewell Prison? Was there more than one Rowland,, so both accounts are correct? Only additional research can resolve this. Hopefully, there are records available which will permit a resolution. Mike

Jay, Thanks for the reply. I have some info that I want to see if you and Mike can clarify. On the Family Tree Maker program with a source of the Edmund West family information records, it shows that Rowland Griffith/Griffeth was born in 1618 at Isle of Wight. I know with some of my other ancestor lines, they are listed as being born at the first location in America where they settled. His date of birth of 1618 would have made him six years old when he was sent to America, which would go along with the info Jay found. The FTM, Edmund West data also shows that his father was a Thomas John Griffeth born in 1593 at Isle of Wight and died there on 9/4/1692. He was married to Alice Cadawallader in 1617. She was born in 1597 at Isle of Wight. Have either of you heard of Edmund West? What are your thoughts on this info? Based on the info that Rowland was sent over in 1624, it seems that Thomas and Alice could not have been Rowland's parents. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay DeLoach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [DELOACH] Early Child Immigrants to Virginia 1618-1642 > Mike and Barbara, > Yes I did read with interest the reference book that revealed that > Rowland Griffin/Griffth was taken from Bridewell, then a Correctional > Institution for Children, placed on a ship and sent to the Colony of > Virginia in 1624. In the front of the book, it discussed Bridewell and > that it was common practice for entrepeneurs to buy out correction > institutions of children and criminals and send them to the colonies as > laborers. The book mentioned that many of these children did not live > to see adulthood, but those that did survive, many of them > flourished...our Rowland obviously survived and, through hard work, > flourished to buy 700 acres in what is now the Isle of Wight/Suffolk > County area (Mike, I believe you actually located and visited the site). > So Michael Desloges, an indentured servant and tailor by trade...a > French Hugenot refugee seeking religious freedom, came to the New World > and married the daughter of a child criminal from the streets of > London...we do come from humble beginnings...these are our roots and > our heritage...who sought and achieved the American Dream. > > Hope this helps. > Jay > >>>> Javan Michael DeLoach <[email protected]> 02/02/07 8:45 AM >>> > At 2/2/2007 05:42 AM, Barbara Daniels wrote: >>Has anyone accessed the book and obtained the information about Rowland > on >>p. 39-41? > > Hi Barbara, > > The reference is Source 49, Page 31. To my knowledge, no one has > looked at the actual source, unless Jay DeLoach did it when he > initially found this reference. > > If you go to the Rootsweb Search engine for archived mail lists > (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search) and do a search on > Bridewell, there are 1720 matches. Here is an extract of one of those: > > " > Bridewell Palace stood on a vast site along the western bank of the > Fleet River, reaching up from the Thames to the present day Fleet > Street. > > Built during the reign of Henry VIII, it was a rambling and spacious > complex arranged around three large courtyards. In its early days, > the palace was mostly used to lodge foreign monarchs and dignitaries. > Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, was entertained at Bridewell Palace in > 1522. From 1531 to 1539, it was leased by the French Ambassador. > > In 1550, the palace was given over to the relief of the poor. The > rural poor had been streaming into London for some time. It is > estimated that at a time when London had a population of 70-80,000, > it received a further 12,000 desperately poor immigrants from around > the country. Though most were honest, many begging until they could > find work, among them were organized bands of robbers and hoodlums. > Concern for the poor soon became mixed with fear of a threat to > public order. As a result, Bridewell became not just as a refuge, but > the first "House of Correction", the idea being that enforced labour > and punishment would reform the work-shy, the drunkard, and the petty > criminal. > > Prisoners were put to a wide variety of tasks, from carding and > spinning to (for those who were to be punished as well as detained) > the cleaning of sewers in gangs. Treadmills were installed. An > ingenious hand-and-foot mill ensured that even those who had lost a > limb would not be excused from working. > > Prostitutes and vagrants were whipped on arrival, with twelve lashes > for adults and six for juveniles. Disobedience or any other offence > was punished by further flogging. Whippings were carried out in the > courtroom. > > The palace became a bit of a tourist attraction for those whose idea > of a good day out was watching half-naked women being flogged. > Bridewell whippings became so popular that a balustraded gallery had > to be built to hold all the onlookers. > > Though much of the old palace was destroyed in the Great Fire, it was > rebuilt between 1666-67 and carried on much as before." > > > > Here is what Jay said in a 2004 message to another DeLoach researcher: > > "Jane Griffith, daughter of Rowland who, according to my research in the > libraries of southern Virginia and Fairfax County, was a street urchin > who was swept off the streets of London, thrown into a correction > facility called Bridewell, and then sold as a lot to some venture > capitalist who sent a boat of children to the New World, many of whom > perish. Rowland was a surviver and epitomizes the American Dream by > apparently > learning to work the land hard and making a handsome profit." > > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike and Barbara, Yes I did read with interest the reference book that revealed that Rowland Griffin/Griffth was taken from Bridewell, then a Correctional Institution for Children, placed on a ship and sent to the Colony of Virginia in 1624. In the front of the book, it discussed Bridewell and that it was common practice for entrepeneurs to buy out correction institutions of children and criminals and send them to the colonies as laborers. The book mentioned that many of these children did not live to see adulthood, but those that did survive, many of them flourished...our Rowland obviously survived and, through hard work, flourished to buy 700 acres in what is now the Isle of Wight/Suffolk County area (Mike, I believe you actually located and visited the site). So Michael Desloges, an indentured servant and tailor by trade...a French Hugenot refugee seeking religious freedom, came to the New World and married the daughter of a child criminal from the streets of London...we do come from humble beginnings...these are our roots and our heritage...who sought and achieved the American Dream. Hope this helps. Jay >>> Javan Michael DeLoach <[email protected]> 02/02/07 8:45 AM >>> At 2/2/2007 05:42 AM, Barbara Daniels wrote: >Has anyone accessed the book and obtained the information about Rowland on >p. 39-41? Hi Barbara, The reference is Source 49, Page 31. To my knowledge, no one has looked at the actual source, unless Jay DeLoach did it when he initially found this reference. If you go to the Rootsweb Search engine for archived mail lists (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search) and do a search on Bridewell, there are 1720 matches. Here is an extract of one of those: " Bridewell Palace stood on a vast site along the western bank of the Fleet River, reaching up from the Thames to the present day Fleet Street. Built during the reign of Henry VIII, it was a rambling and spacious complex arranged around three large courtyards. In its early days, the palace was mostly used to lodge foreign monarchs and dignitaries. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, was entertained at Bridewell Palace in 1522. From 1531 to 1539, it was leased by the French Ambassador. In 1550, the palace was given over to the relief of the poor. The rural poor had been streaming into London for some time. It is estimated that at a time when London had a population of 70-80,000, it received a further 12,000 desperately poor immigrants from around the country. Though most were honest, many begging until they could find work, among them were organized bands of robbers and hoodlums. Concern for the poor soon became mixed with fear of a threat to public order. As a result, Bridewell became not just as a refuge, but the first "House of Correction", the idea being that enforced labour and punishment would reform the work-shy, the drunkard, and the petty criminal. Prisoners were put to a wide variety of tasks, from carding and spinning to (for those who were to be punished as well as detained) the cleaning of sewers in gangs. Treadmills were installed. An ingenious hand-and-foot mill ensured that even those who had lost a limb would not be excused from working. Prostitutes and vagrants were whipped on arrival, with twelve lashes for adults and six for juveniles. Disobedience or any other offence was punished by further flogging. Whippings were carried out in the courtroom. The palace became a bit of a tourist attraction for those whose idea of a good day out was watching half-naked women being flogged. Bridewell whippings became so popular that a balustraded gallery had to be built to hold all the onlookers. Though much of the old palace was destroyed in the Great Fire, it was rebuilt between 1666-67 and carried on much as before." Here is what Jay said in a 2004 message to another DeLoach researcher: "Jane Griffith, daughter of Rowland who, according to my research in the libraries of southern Virginia and Fairfax County, was a street urchin who was swept off the streets of London, thrown into a correction facility called Bridewell, and then sold as a lot to some venture capitalist who sent a boat of children to the New World, many of whom perish. Rowland was a surviver and epitomizes the American Dream by apparently learning to work the land hard and making a handsome profit." Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 2/2/2007 3:47:20 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://personal.linkline.com/xymox/families/childva.htm Mickey this is from the Deloach surname list and think it is interesting. You may have seen it before but I had not. Love, Sister

Thanks Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javan Michael DeLoach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [DELOACH] Early Child Immigrants to Virginia 1618-1642 > At 2/2/2007 05:42 AM, Barbara Daniels wrote: >>Has anyone accessed the book and obtained the information about Rowland on >>p. 39-41? > > Hi Barbara, > > The reference is Source 49, Page 31. To my knowledge, no one has > looked at the actual source, unless Jay DeLoach did it when he > initially found this reference. > > If you go to the Rootsweb Search engine for archived mail lists > (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search) and do a search on > Bridewell, there are 1720 matches. Here is an extract of one of those: > > " > Bridewell Palace stood on a vast site along the western bank of the > Fleet River, reaching up from the Thames to the present day Fleet Street. > > Built during the reign of Henry VIII, it was a rambling and spacious > complex arranged around three large courtyards. In its early days, > the palace was mostly used to lodge foreign monarchs and dignitaries. > Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, was entertained at Bridewell Palace in > 1522. From 1531 to 1539, it was leased by the French Ambassador. > > In 1550, the palace was given over to the relief of the poor. The > rural poor had been streaming into London for some time. It is > estimated that at a time when London had a population of 70-80,000, > it received a further 12,000 desperately poor immigrants from around > the country. Though most were honest, many begging until they could > find work, among them were organized bands of robbers and hoodlums. > Concern for the poor soon became mixed with fear of a threat to > public order. As a result, Bridewell became not just as a refuge, but > the first "House of Correction", the idea being that enforced labour > and punishment would reform the work-shy, the drunkard, and the petty > criminal. > > Prisoners were put to a wide variety of tasks, from carding and > spinning to (for those who were to be punished as well as detained) > the cleaning of sewers in gangs. Treadmills were installed. An > ingenious hand-and-foot mill ensured that even those who had lost a > limb would not be excused from working. > > Prostitutes and vagrants were whipped on arrival, with twelve lashes > for adults and six for juveniles. Disobedience or any other offence > was punished by further flogging. Whippings were carried out in the > courtroom. > > The palace became a bit of a tourist attraction for those whose idea > of a good day out was watching half-naked women being flogged. > Bridewell whippings became so popular that a balustraded gallery had > to be built to hold all the onlookers. > > Though much of the old palace was destroyed in the Great Fire, it was > rebuilt between 1666-67 and carried on much as before." > > > > Here is what Jay said in a 2004 message to another DeLoach researcher: > > "Jane Griffith, daughter of Rowland who, according to my research in the > libraries of southern Virginia and Fairfax County, was a street urchin > who was swept off the streets of London, thrown into a correction > facility called Bridewell, and then sold as a lot to some venture > capitalist who sent a boat of children to the New World, many of whom > perish. Rowland was a surviver and epitomizes the American Dream by > apparently > learning to work the land hard and making a handsome profit." > > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 2/2/2007 05:42 AM, Barbara Daniels wrote: >Has anyone accessed the book and obtained the information about Rowland on >p. 39-41? Hi Barbara, The reference is Source 49, Page 31. To my knowledge, no one has looked at the actual source, unless Jay DeLoach did it when he initially found this reference. If you go to the Rootsweb Search engine for archived mail lists (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search) and do a search on Bridewell, there are 1720 matches. Here is an extract of one of those: " Bridewell Palace stood on a vast site along the western bank of the Fleet River, reaching up from the Thames to the present day Fleet Street. Built during the reign of Henry VIII, it was a rambling and spacious complex arranged around three large courtyards. In its early days, the palace was mostly used to lodge foreign monarchs and dignitaries. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, was entertained at Bridewell Palace in 1522. From 1531 to 1539, it was leased by the French Ambassador. In 1550, the palace was given over to the relief of the poor. The rural poor had been streaming into London for some time. It is estimated that at a time when London had a population of 70-80,000, it received a further 12,000 desperately poor immigrants from around the country. Though most were honest, many begging until they could find work, among them were organized bands of robbers and hoodlums. Concern for the poor soon became mixed with fear of a threat to public order. As a result, Bridewell became not just as a refuge, but the first "House of Correction", the idea being that enforced labour and punishment would reform the work-shy, the drunkard, and the petty criminal. Prisoners were put to a wide variety of tasks, from carding and spinning to (for those who were to be punished as well as detained) the cleaning of sewers in gangs. Treadmills were installed. An ingenious hand-and-foot mill ensured that even those who had lost a limb would not be excused from working. Prostitutes and vagrants were whipped on arrival, with twelve lashes for adults and six for juveniles. Disobedience or any other offence was punished by further flogging. Whippings were carried out in the courtroom. The palace became a bit of a tourist attraction for those whose idea of a good day out was watching half-naked women being flogged. Bridewell whippings became so popular that a balustraded gallery had to be built to hold all the onlookers. Though much of the old palace was destroyed in the Great Fire, it was rebuilt between 1666-67 and carried on much as before." Here is what Jay said in a 2004 message to another DeLoach researcher: "Jane Griffith, daughter of Rowland who, according to my research in the libraries of southern Virginia and Fairfax County, was a street urchin who was swept off the streets of London, thrown into a correction facility called Bridewell, and then sold as a lot to some venture capitalist who sent a boat of children to the New World, many of whom perish. Rowland was a surviver and epitomizes the American Dream by apparently learning to work the land hard and making a handsome profit." Mike

Mike, Has anyone accessed the book and obtained the information about Rowland on p. 39-41? Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javan Michael DeLoach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: [DELOACH] Early Child Immigrants to Virginia 1618-1642 > Several years ago, Jay DeLoach found the reference to children being > sent to the American Colonies from the Bridewell Royal Hospital, > Palace, Prison and Schools. Included in the list of children was > Rowland Griffin/Griffen. This reference is now on-line and can be found > here: > > http://personal.linkline.com/xymox/families/childva.htm > > > Mike > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Twenty or so years ago, there was a Tennessee National Guard General (BG, I think) named Deloach. He was from the Claxton, Georgia Area. > [Original Message] > From: Javan Michael DeLoach <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/1/2007 1:52:53 PM > Subject: Re: [DELOACH] Early Child Immigrants to Virginia 1618-1642 > > At 2/1/2007 09:51 AM, Wyatte DeLoache wrote: > > > In what year did Michel Desloges marry? > > The only dates we have are: > His departure from Bristol, England, which was 1663, which specified > that he was a tailor's apprentice to Charles Taplady for four years > beginning on 24 Aug 1663. > The date of Rowland Griffeth's will, 9 Aug 1671, which gave "all of > my estate to Jane DesLoges, my only daughter and now wife unto > Michaell DesLoges, taylor". > > We assume that Michel completed his apprenticeship, after which he > married Jane Griffeth, circa 1668. I searched all of the records at > the Isle of Wight County Courthouse, but could not find any other > record related to Michel and Jane. > > > Do you have a son/nephew in the Army or National Guard? > > I was in the Army for 30 years, retiring in 1989. My son was in the > Army reserve, but completed his hitch in 1986. To my knowledge, I do > not have any nephews or cousins in the military. > > Mike > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 2/1/2007 09:51 AM, Wyatte DeLoache wrote: > In what year did Michel Desloges marry? The only dates we have are: His departure from Bristol, England, which was 1663, which specified that he was a tailor's apprentice to Charles Taplady for four years beginning on 24 Aug 1663. The date of Rowland Griffeth's will, 9 Aug 1671, which gave "all of my estate to Jane DesLoges, my only daughter and now wife unto Michaell DesLoges, taylor". We assume that Michel completed his apprenticeship, after which he married Jane Griffeth, circa 1668. I searched all of the records at the Isle of Wight County Courthouse, but could not find any other record related to Michel and Jane. > Do you have a son/nephew in the Army or National Guard? I was in the Army for 30 years, retiring in 1989. My son was in the Army reserve, but completed his hitch in 1986. To my knowledge, I do not have any nephews or cousins in the military. Mike

Mike In what year did Michel Desloges marry? Do you have a son/nephew in the Army or National Guard? Wyatte DeLoache Javan Michael DeLoach <[email protected]> wrote: Several years ago, Jay DeLoach found the reference to children being sent to the American Colonies from the Bridewell Royal Hospital, Palace, Prison and Schools. Included in the list of children was Rowland Griffin/Griffen. This reference is now on-line and can be found here: http://personal.linkline.com/xymox/families/childva.htm Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.

> Here is a forward from another Mail List. Perhaps it will be of interest to > some on this List as many of our ancestors were from England. > > Wanda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Satima Flavell Neist" <[email protected]> > . >> The guys at 10 Downing St have a petition on line for people to ask that >> British census records be released after 70, rather than 100 years. What a >> boon this would be for genealogists! >> >> Please take the time to sign, or you aren't a British citizen or expat, pass >> it on to someone who is! >> >> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/CensusInfoFreed/ >> >> Cheers, >> Satima > .> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

At 1/31/2007 11:21 AM, Wanda Harbert wrote: >Could you read the Card to retreive all other info on it? Hi Wanda, Here is the best i could do: WWI Registration Card #99 1. Andrew Burton DeLoach Age in yrs 29 2. Home Address Munday, TX 3. Date of Birth Oct. 27, 1887 4. Are you (1) a natural born citizen (2) a naturalized citizen (3) an alien (4) or have you declared your intentions? Nat-Born 5. Where were you born? D??????, TX, USA 6. If you are not a citizen, of which country are you a citizen or subject? Citz. 7. What is your present occupation, trade or office? Farmer 8. By whom employed? Self Where employed? Munday, TX 9. Have you a father, mother, wife, child under 12, or a sister or brother under 12 solely dependent upon you for support (specify which)? Wife 10. Married or single (which)? Married 11. What miliotary service have you had? None Rank? Branch? Years? Nation or state? 12. Do you claim exemption from draft (specify grounds? No I affirm that I have verified and that they are true. A.B. Deloach /S/ Registrar's Report 1. Tall, medium or short build? Medium Slender, medium or stout? Slender 2. Color of eyes? Blue Color of hair? Red Bald? 3. Has person lost arm, leg, hand, foot or both eyes, or is he otherwise disabled? No Signature of Registrar Precinct 6, Knox County, TX June 5

Thanks Mike. I appreciate the info. Wanda

Mike, Then Andrew would have been a cousin to my Mom. I looked in my DeLoach data & did not see him. However, I did not know his middle name was Burton. Shame, shame on me, my own DeLoach line..... I thought too, all of Charley's kids went to AZ and/or CA. Could you read the Card to retreive all other info on it? Thanks you Wanda