In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:54:00 PM Central Daylight Time, VoorhiesAnn@aol.com writes: > The research has been done and it is on the web at > Geneanet, but for some reason I can't access the data on M. Jean Arnou's > family tree. Hold onto the wine and cheese for a while! <g> Unfortunately the news is not as good as I had hoped for. J.F. Arnou is a Verloin researcher who has compiled a database on the descendants of the Counts of Verloin, I believe, though I have not yet seen the database, as it is in a password protected site. I found him through Geneanet. He has answered my email and I have been admitted to his mailing list which I will continue to monitor. From what I can read (my French dictionary is packed away at the moment, awaiting my move!) I gather that he recognizes our Antoine Valentine Verloin deGruy as a member of the family from Champagne, but has not been able to tie that Champagne branch conclusively to his main branches of Verloin who are Picards. He does appear to be interested in the problem as he answered my email very promptly and graciously, and I feel sure that this contact will bear fruit in the future. It appears to be the very best lead we have. I will concentrate on finding out more about this Jean deGruy du Mesnil Fouchard of the dioceze of Langres who was admitted to the Hotel des Invalides in 1713. A friend in Paris has agreed to look into it for me. If anyone on the list is a paying member of Geneanet or willing to become a paying member, please contact me about obtaining the three documents (1 marriage and 2 deaths) for members of the deGruy family in Vitry-le-Francois, Notre Dame, Marne, Champagne, France. Or if anyone already has those documents, please let me know. I may become a paying member myself if I find enough there about Aufrere to justify the expense. I will report back to the list as soon as I get any further info about Verloin or deGruy in France, and please email me or post to the list if you have info or if you have ideas about getting info in France. Ann