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    1. Huguenot fellow is trying to help us with Aufreres
    2. R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]
    3. OK.... need some help from you Aufrere researchers.... I'm corresponding with the person from the Huguenot society... He is trying to help me figure out if Antoine Aufrere was the first to come over.... Below is the exchange....Feel free to help out with any part of it. I 'll put an "H" before his words and an "R" before mine since boldface and italics don't show up in Degruy-L postings..... H: Ok, couple of thoughts........ R: "I would love to find out if her father, Antoine François Aufrere, who came over from Paris, was or was not the first Aufrere in America. Also curious as to how he met Marie Mathurine if she was born in Quebec. Of course she could have moved to Louisiana and Antoine met her there." H: What source do you have showing him coming from Paris? The Aufrere family which came to the UK was also Parisienne so there may be a way of establishing a link there. Have you thought about Marie Mathurine being Arcadian? Mathurine is a well known French name and features heavily in Huguenot records - I'd look at Arcadian records which may throw some light on that. R: "Since the first Aufrere that I know of in the US was named Antoine ... is there any chance he was the son of Rev. Israel Anthoine and Sarah Amsincq? Do you have a list of their children and their birth dates????? We have our Antoine's birth date as 1695, but that could be a mistake.... " H: I think that if the Paris link is proved without doubt there is a strong case for your Antoine being related to the UK branch. It could well be that the American Aufrere is a cousin. What is there to suggest that the American Antoine's birth date may be incorrect? Israel Antoine was a Pastor, very devout from a family of pastors, whose sons and daughters became church men or married church men. His date of marriage is absolutely sound so unless you have something to question the American Antoine's birth date I wouldn't entertain that as a possibility. It's more likely that he is the son of a cousin of Israel's, the use of given names in the French church is well understood now and it could be that Israel's father, Antoine, could have been your Antoine's godfather, which was very common, naming god children for the principle godparent was the norm. -------------------------------------------- R: My problem: I don't remember where I got the note that Antoine Aufrere was from Paris and Marie Mathurine Guillemet dit La Lande was from Quebec ... [another note says Paris]. It was quite a while after entering data into my genealogy program that I learned how to enter "sources"... so I have an ongoing job of backtracking to add sources later. Sometimes I remember the sources and sometimes I don't. It might have been from one of the Conrad books - or the Sacramental Records. I used those a lot. But maybe one of you has a source and can tell us quickly..... I know some of you are concentrating on Aufreres.... Ann? Any answers here? I'll report to him what you say. Thanks, Renee

    07/19/2005 12:42:02
    1. RE: Huguenot fellow is trying to help us with Aufreres
    2. Bill Richardson
    3. Sacramental records of Antoine's death does not indicate his origins but does give his age at 80 at death in Sep 1775. Other citations I have from census records and colonial record extracts in Louisiana Historical Quarterly do not indicate origin. I do not have him from Paris, so I did not run across that city in my limited research. If Marie Mathurin was from Quebec she should be easily found in either Jette or Tanguay volumes on French Canada. I doubt this as this would have been a bit early for Quebecois to be migrating to La. Something which did not occur for the most part until after the Seven Years (French and Indian) War which ended in 1763, which also concided with the Acadian migration to Louisiana and movement down the Mississippi after the French loss of their forts and settlements in the war. -----Original Message----- From: R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.] [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:42 AM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Huguenot fellow is trying to help us with Aufreres OK.... need some help from you Aufrere researchers.... I'm corresponding with the person from the Huguenot society... He is trying to help me figure out if Antoine Aufrere was the first to come over.... Below is the exchange....Feel free to help out with any part of it. I 'll put an "H" before his words and an "R" before mine since boldface and italics don't show up in Degruy-L postings..... H: Ok, couple of thoughts........ R: "I would love to find out if her father, Antoine François Aufrere, who came over from Paris, was or was not the first Aufrere in America. Also curious as to how he met Marie Mathurine if she was born in Quebec. Of course she could have moved to Louisiana and Antoine met her there." H: What source do you have showing him coming from Paris? The Aufrere family which came to the UK was also Parisienne so there may be a way of establishing a link there. Have you thought about Marie Mathurine being Arcadian? Mathurine is a well known French name and features heavily in Huguenot records - I'd look at Arcadian records which may throw some light on that. R: "Since the first Aufrere that I know of in the US was named Antoine ... is there any chance he was the son of Rev. Israel Anthoine and Sarah Amsincq? Do you have a list of their children and their birth dates????? We have our Antoine's birth date as 1695, but that could be a mistake.... " H: I think that if the Paris link is proved without doubt there is a strong case for your Antoine being related to the UK branch. It could well be that the American Aufrere is a cousin. What is there to suggest that the American Antoine's birth date may be incorrect? Israel Antoine was a Pastor, very devout from a family of pastors, whose sons and daughters became church men or married church men. His date of marriage is absolutely sound so unless you have something to question the American Antoine's birth date I wouldn't entertain that as a possibility. It's more likely that he is the son of a cousin of Israel's, the use of given names in the French church is well understood now and it could be that Israel's father, Antoine, could have been your Antoine's godfather, which was very common, naming god children for the principle godparent was the norm. -------------------------------------------- R: My problem: I don't remember where I got the note that Antoine Aufrere was from Paris and Marie Mathurine Guillemet dit La Lande was from Quebec ... [another note says Paris]. It was quite a while after entering data into my genealogy program that I learned how to enter "sources"... so I have an ongoing job of backtracking to add sources later. Sometimes I remember the sources and sometimes I don't. It might have been from one of the Conrad books - or the Sacramental Records. I used those a lot. But maybe one of you has a source and can tell us quickly..... I know some of you are concentrating on Aufreres.... Ann? Any answers here? I'll report to him what you say. Thanks, Renee ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

    07/19/2005 05:32:37
    1. RE: Huguenot fellow is trying to help us with Aufreres
    2. slideaus
    3. I have a photocopy of a page from the Louisiana Genealogical Register which has the following information: (DEGRUIS) VERLOIN, Joseph, Jr. & Maria Luisa SOLÉ, 19 Sept. 1800, third degree. (The groom's surname is given as Degruis on the calendar cards, but is shown under Verloin in the index.) Jose Degruis, age 19, of Ph. Of St. Charles of the First German Coast, is s/o Maria COUTURIER and Jose Degruis; s/o Pedro Degruis & Maria OFRE; d/o Mr. Ofre of Paris & Degruis' grandmother whose name he does not know. Maria Luisa, who has two sisters and is a native of St. Louis Ph. Of New Orleans, is d/o of Tomas Solé & Maria Teresa PERY; d/o Mr. Pery & Teresa Ofre; d/o Degruis’ grandparents. The proposed marriage is with consent of their parents and was announced publicly a year ago. Witnesses, Joseph BONNEVILLE, aged 34; Alexandro DILHOMME, aged 22. Granted. This appears to be the grant of a dispensation due to consanguinity – they were 2nd cousins. Note that “Mr. Ofre” (Antoine Aufrere) is identified as “of Paris.” I will try to track down the specific volume and issue; it is on page 303. Wally -----Original Message----- From: Bill Richardson [mailto:wrichardson@dcnet2000.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:33 PM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Huguenot fellow is trying to help us with Aufreres Sacramental records of Antoine's death does not indicate his origins but does give his age at 80 at death in Sep 1775. Other citations I have from census records and colonial record extracts in Louisiana Historical Quarterly do not indicate origin. I do not have him from Paris, so I did not run across that city in my limited research. If Marie Mathurin was from Quebec she should be easily found in either Jette or Tanguay volumes on French Canada. I doubt this as this would have been a bit early for Quebecois to be migrating to La. Something which did not occur for the most part until after the Seven Years (French and Indian) War which ended in 1763, which also concided with the Acadian migration to Louisiana and movement down the Mississippi after the French loss of their forts and settlements in the war. -----Original Message----- From: R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.] [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:42 AM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Huguenot fellow is trying to help us with Aufreres OK.... need some help from you Aufrere researchers.... I'm corresponding with the person from the Huguenot society... He is trying to help me figure out if Antoine Aufrere was the first to come over.... Below is the exchange....Feel free to help out with any part of it. I 'll put an "H" before his words and an "R" before mine since boldface and italics don't show up in Degruy-L postings..... H: Ok, couple of thoughts........ R: "I would love to find out if her father, Antoine François Aufrere, who came over from Paris, was or was not the first Aufrere in America. Also curious as to how he met Marie Mathurine if she was born in Quebec. Of course she could have moved to Louisiana and Antoine met her there." H: What source do you have showing him coming from Paris? The Aufrere family which came to the UK was also Parisienne so there may be a way of establishing a link there. Have you thought about Marie Mathurine being Arcadian? Mathurine is a well known French name and features heavily in Huguenot records - I'd look at Arcadian records which may throw some light on that. R: "Since the first Aufrere that I know of in the US was named Antoine ... is there any chance he was the son of Rev. Israel Anthoine and Sarah Amsincq? Do you have a list of their children and their birth dates????? We have our Antoine's birth date as 1695, but that could be a mistake.... " H: I think that if the Paris link is proved without doubt there is a strong case for your Antoine being related to the UK branch. It could well be that the American Aufrere is a cousin. What is there to suggest that the American Antoine's birth date may be incorrect? Israel Antoine was a Pastor, very devout from a family of pastors, whose sons and daughters became church men or married church men. His date of marriage is absolutely sound so unless you have something to question the American Antoine's birth date I wouldn't entertain that as a possibility. It's more likely that he is the son of a cousin of Israel's, the use of given names in the French church is well understood now and it could be that Israel's father, Antoine, could have been your Antoine's godfather, which was very common, naming god children for the principle godparent was the norm. -------------------------------------------- R: My problem: I don't remember where I got the note that Antoine Aufrere was from Paris and Marie Mathurine Guillemet dit La Lande was from Quebec ... [another note says Paris]. It was quite a while after entering data into my genealogy program that I learned how to enter "sources"... so I have an ongoing job of backtracking to add sources later. Sometimes I remember the sources and sometimes I don't. It might have been from one of the Conrad books - or the Sacramental Records. I used those a lot. But maybe one of you has a source and can tell us quickly..... I know some of you are concentrating on Aufreres.... Ann? Any answers here? I'll report to him what you say. Thanks, Renee ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

    07/20/2005 01:15:22