I believe the French had one foot in the door of Switzerland, they served as Guards I read or someone told me/ I think the Knights recruited the French nobility to serve, read closely some of Ray's messages, [between the lines]. I wonder if he would know about the boundary lines between France and Switzerland in that time period. The D'aspit Saint Amant's were Knights of Templar I haven't looked at this in awhile I see some changes I wish he would show documents and sources were he found this information... http://www.fluckers.com/family/daspit FIRST DEGREE Lord de Saint-Omer b. c. 1080 d. c. 1150 m. ___ 1. Geoffrey 2. Odo (Eudo) (Eudes) LORD_____DE SAINT-OMER, 1080-1150 was the feudal lord of the Artois (Agincourt) region's fife of St. Omer. The suzeraine (superior feudal lord) was Count William Clito of Flanders. Lord de Saint-Omer had two sons, Godfrey (born 1100) and a younger son named ) Odo (Eudes). Godfrey and Hugh des Payen were the two founders of the "Templers" in 1119. Guillaume de St. Omer, son of Lord Huston de St. Omer’s son Odo de Saint-Amand (see below) became the 8th Grand Master of the Knights Templar. Some documents give the Lord de Saint Omer's name as Huston de Saint-Omer and a date of birth of about 1045, however 1080 seems the more likely date. Godfrey appears to have been born "Geoffrey" and changed his name to Godfrey - JPD 1997 ------- skip to 3rd degree THIRD DEGREE _____ de Saint-Amand b. c. 1150 d. 1225 m. _____ DE VERDON (daughter of Walter de Verdon  ) 1. Almaric The family resurfaces in England with _____ DE SAINT-AMAND (1160 - 1225). He was probably the son or possibly the nephew of Odo. He lived during the reign of Richard I, Coeur de Lion (1189-1199). We are not sure what his first name was, but two of his sons were Almaric I and Sir William de Saint-Amand "de Sauxio". He was the son-in-law of Walter de Verdon who was Sheriff of Essex and Herts from 1218 to 1220. He was succeeded by his son and heir Almaric I. skip to 11th degre ELEVENTH DEGREE Gerald de Braybrook, Lord de Saint-Amand b. 1389 d. 1422 1m. 1414 - PERNELLE DE GREY ? 1. Elizabeth 2. Maude m. John Babington 3. Alainore never married 2m. 1421 - Joan Raleigh (daughter of Thomas Raleigh and sister of William Raleigh) 1. Alainore GERALD DE BRAYBROOK, LORD (DE JURE) DE SAINT-AMAND of Bedford, England was born on December 24, 1389 and was grandson of the 4th Baron. When his aunt Idda died on December 15, 1416, he was left with full heirship. He proved his age on February 17, 1414 and his first wife was Pernelle de Grey who died in 1414. He married in 1421 to his second wife, Joan, daughter of Thomas Ralegh. Upon his death in 1422, the coheirs were three daughters by Pernelle, his first wife: Alainore (1408 - 1426), Elizabeth (1409 - 1491) and Maude (1411 - 1428); and one daughter by Joan his 2nd wife. This daughter was also named Alainore (1422 - 1428). ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)