HELLO RENEE, >i believe the reference in no. 1 should be to my great grandmother ****************************** AMANDA SAUTON deGRUY wife of JAMES VERLOIN de GRUY ( who died in 1911 ) >the reference in no. 2 is probably to his brother +FRANCOIS JOSEPH VERLOIN de GRUY (because of the 1919 date of death) ************************************ >almost always< a joseph verloin de gruy is really francois joseph verloin de gruy ( one of the many ) ***************** CHEERS gene