Remember what Msr. Chapelin had to say "Nevertheless, as the daughter of a died officer, Marie Jeanne Françoise De Gruy Verloin, born in Coulommiers in 1715 was admitted to the Demoiselles de St-Cyr on 12 October 1723 until the 5 August 1735. Even if the family was not poor, her mother was alone and never married again. So, about 1735 - the Demoiselles de St-Cyr had to leave at 20 years old - she was married to a man of poor nobility, Joseph de Puibusque Saiont-Padou. This man, from a famous but poor condition, born about 1680, was an ‘Excempt [dispensed of service[ des gardes du corps du roi, maître de camp de calvalerie, (3) chevalier de St-Louis, seigneur of Cambou [close to Busque, Tarn, Languedoc, in the South of France]. He died in Rozay on 30 July 1757. Marie died after 1790 at an unknown place.” From the research of Philippe Chapelin" ---------------------- Noe the excerpt from Wikipedia In June 1686, after 15 months of work, Louis XIV gave the domaine to the Maison Royale de Saint-Louis, in letters patent of 18 and 26 June 1686 confirming the founding of the establishment.[4] From 26 July to 1 August 1686, the pensionnaires, known as the "Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr", entered the establishment in a grand procession thanks to Louis, who lent them his carriages and his Swiss guards.[2] Madame de Brinon was made the institution's superior for life, and Madame de Maintenon was given the title of "Institutrice de la Maison Royale de Saint-Louis", which gave her total authority over the Maison.[4] The king also granted her an apartment at Saint-Cyr which she could use when she wished.[2] The school's chapel was consecrated to Our Lady on 2 August that year[4] and the relics of St Candide, previously held at the chapel of Noisy, were transferred there.[2] The king made his first visit to Saint-Cyr in September 1686, when he was welcomed by the ladies and pensionnaires in a major ceremony.[2] Major figures became became interested in the foundation of the Maison Royale. At the start of 1687, Fontenelle, competing for an eloquence prize at the Académie, sang of "les Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr" and "[their] famous model of beauty united with innocence."[4] [edit]Organisation Two "Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr". The Maison Royale de Saint-Louis was opened "to the daughters of gentlemen who have been killed or exhausted their health or their fortune in the service of the State",[4] who would enter the school aged between 7 and 12. The king himself decided on who the school admitted, after consulting with experts on French genealogy who could guarantee that applicants possessed at least four generations of noble birth on their father's side.[1] Many pensionnaires were daughters, nieces or orphans of soldiers and, though many of them were from Paris and its outskirts, the school had students from every province of France[5] and even from abroad (e.g., three Québécoises in the 1750s). The school buildings housed 250 students, cared for by 36 female educators or "professes", 24 "converses" sisters carrying out domestic tasks, some priests, and lay personnel.[1] ----------- Rules of the Maison Royale de Saint-Louis. The school's rules, often called les Constitutions, stated in article 54 "what to teach young ladies"[9] : “ First to learn of God and religion (...) They must be inspired with a great horror of vice and a great love of virtue [...]. They must learn the duties of an honest woman in her household, as regards her husband, children and servants [...]. They must learn to bear themselves with a good grace [...] they must learn to read perfectly, to write, spelling, arithmetic [...] Those meant for service must learn to comb, to dress hair ... ” Each class had a timetable appropriate to its students' age[1] : • the "reds" learned reading, writing and arithmetic, receiving their first lessons in the catechismand the rudiments of religious history and latin • the "greens" continued in these subjects, along with history and geography • the "yellows" also learned drawing, singing, dance and music • the "blues" were initiated into heraldry, the history of the Catholic church and more detailed teaching in morality All the pensionnaires' days played out according to the same timetable : they got up at 6am and went to their classrooms at 7 with the first prayers of the days, before having their morning meal in the refectory. They then studied from 8 until 12 before having lunch. The lunch break lasted until 2pm, when classes began again. These lasted until 6pm, when they had supper. They finally went to bed at 9pm[3]. Each moment of the day was punctuated by a prayer. This timetable was shorter than that of most convents, where students had to get up at 4am for Matins. The students, aged 7 to 20, were divided by age into four "classes". They wore a uniform in the form of a brown muslin robe akin to court robes, tied with ribbons whose colour indicated the wearer's class—red for 7 to 10 years old; green for 11 to 14; yellow for 15-16; and blue for 17-20. They also wore a white bonnet which left their hair partly uncovered. Each class had its own room.[6] This uniform and division by age were echoed in Noisy: “ [Madame de Maintenon] had a grand morning meeting one day in Noisy, carrying a basket full of blue, yellow, green and red ribbons by which she designated each Demoiselle in the class to which she was suited ... They were separated out into different bedrooms and thus called according to the name of their ribbon, the Red class, the Blue class, etc. There was some question of giving the students clothing that was uniform, simple, modest, but noble ... it was decided that they were to dress in brown Mans muslin, then more fashionable than it is today. This dress consisted of a coat and a skirt, the bonnet being of white canvas with a lace piece, all decorated with a ribbon.[7] ” Each class was headed by a "maîtresse de classe", who was herself supported by a second mistress and sub-mistresses. Some of the oldest and most talented students were deputised for these mistresses and wore black ribbons. Indeed, the role of the "blacks" was wider. Chosen from among the most talented and disciplined of the "blues", they were in charge of helping the teachers and in the hospital, refectory, accounts, etc.[8] The class mistresses were led by a "Maîtresse générale des classes", who not only coordinated the different classes but also had responsibility for the students outside of school hours.[1] The mistresses and other ladies were not nuns but took "simples" or temporary religious vows of poverty, chastity and obedience, as well as vows to "devote their life to the education and instruction of the demoiselles", which Madame de Maintenon judged to be the most important vow of all. They were uniformly dressed in black muslin, with a black bonnet.[1] The students were housed at Saint-Cyr until they reached 20 and were not supposed to leave it until that age, unless in cases of dismissal, marriage or "exceptional family circumstances."[2] When they left the school at the end of their studies, they received a dowry of 3,000 livres either for a suitable marriage or to allow them to enter a convent. However, some ex-students did not leave and remained there as teachers. To guarantee the quality of teaching, students who wished to become teachers followed a "noviciate" of 6 years during which they were trained in teaching by the "Maîtresse des novices".[1]

Thanks, Renee. Fascinating piece. ~Bonnie B. B. Wood beebeewood@gmail.com Learning is Social: A library is a place to gather together and interact with one another and with information. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Degruy List Administrator < listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> wrote: > Remember what Msr. Chapelin had to say > "Nevertheless, as the daughter of a died officer, Marie Jeanne Françoise > De Gruy Verloin, born in Coulommiers in 1715 was admitted to the > Demoiselles de St-Cyr on 12 October 1723 until the 5 August 1735. Even > if the family was not poor, her mother was alone and never married > again. So, about 1735 - the Demoiselles de St-Cyr had to leave at 20 > years old - she was married to a man of poor nobility, Joseph de > Puibusque Saiont-Padou. This man, from a famous but poor condition, born > about 1680, was an ‘Excempt [dispensed of service[ des gardes du corps > du roi, maître de camp de calvalerie, (3) chevalier de St-Louis, > seigneur of Cambou [close to Busque, Tarn, Languedoc, in the South of > France]. He died in Rozay on 30 July 1757. Marie died after 1790 at an > unknown place.” > From the research of Philippe Chapelin" > ---------------------- > Noe the excerpt from Wikipedia > > In June 1686, after 15 months of work, Louis XIV gave the domaine to the > Maison Royale de Saint-Louis, in letters patent of 18 and 26 June 1686 > confirming the founding of the establishment.[4] From 26 July to 1 > August 1686, the pensionnaires, known as the "Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr", > entered the establishment in a grand procession thanks to Louis, who > lent them his carriages and his Swiss guards.[2] Madame de Brinon was > made the institution's superior for life, and Madame de Maintenon was > given the title of "Institutrice de la Maison Royale de Saint-Louis", > which gave her total authority over the Maison.[4] The king also granted > her an apartment at Saint-Cyr which she could use when she wished.[2] > The school's chapel was consecrated to Our Lady on 2 August that year[4] > and the relics of St Candide, previously held at the chapel of Noisy, > were transferred there.[2] The king made his first visit to Saint-Cyr in > September 1686, when he was welcomed by the ladies and pensionnaires in > a major ceremony.[2] > Major figures became became interested in the foundation of the Maison > Royale. At the start of 1687, Fontenelle, competing for an eloquence > prize at the Académie, sang of "les Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr" and > "[their] famous model of beauty united with innocence."[4] > [edit]Organisation > > > Two "Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr". > The Maison Royale de Saint-Louis was opened "to the daughters of > gentlemen who have been killed or exhausted their health or their > fortune in the service of the State",[4] who would enter the school aged > between 7 and 12. The king himself decided on who the school admitted, > after consulting with experts on French genealogy who could guarantee > that applicants possessed at least four generations of noble birth on > their father's side.[1] Many pensionnaires were daughters, nieces or > orphans of soldiers and, though many of them were from Paris and its > outskirts, the school had students from every province of France[5] and > even from abroad (e.g., three Québécoises in the 1750s). The school > buildings housed 250 students, cared for by 36 female educators or > "professes", 24 "converses" sisters carrying out domestic tasks, some > priests, and lay personnel.[1] > ----------- > > Rules of the Maison Royale de Saint-Louis. > The school's rules, often called les Constitutions, stated in article 54 > "what to teach young ladies"[9] : > “ First to learn of God and religion (...) They must be inspired with a > great horror of vice and a great love of virtue [...]. They must learn > the duties of an honest woman in her household, as regards her husband, > children and servants [...]. They must learn to bear themselves with a > good grace [...] they must learn to read perfectly, to write, spelling, > arithmetic [...] Those meant for service must learn to comb, to dress > hair ... ” > Each class had a timetable appropriate to its students' age[1] : > • the "reds" learned reading, writing and arithmetic, receiving their > first lessons in the catechismand the rudiments of religious history and > latin > • the "greens" continued in these subjects, along with history and > geography > • the "yellows" also learned drawing, singing, dance and music > • the "blues" were initiated into heraldry, the history of the Catholic > church and more detailed teaching in morality > All the pensionnaires' days played out according to the same timetable : > they got up at 6am and went to their classrooms at 7 with the first > prayers of the days, before having their morning meal in the refectory. > They then studied from 8 until 12 before having lunch. The lunch break > lasted until 2pm, when classes began again. These lasted until 6pm, when > they had supper. They finally went to bed at 9pm[3]. Each moment of the > day was punctuated by a prayer. This timetable was shorter than that of > most convents, where students had to get up at 4am for Matins. > > The students, aged 7 to 20, were divided by age into four "classes". > They wore a uniform in the form of a brown muslin robe akin to court > robes, tied with ribbons whose colour indicated the wearer's class—red > for 7 to 10 years old; green for 11 to 14; yellow for 15-16; and blue > for 17-20. They also wore a white bonnet which left their hair partly > uncovered. Each class had its own room.[6] This uniform and division by > age were echoed in Noisy: > “ [Madame de Maintenon] had a grand morning meeting one day in Noisy, > carrying a basket full of blue, yellow, green and red ribbons by which > she designated each Demoiselle in the class to which she was suited ... > They were separated out into different bedrooms and thus called > according to the name of their ribbon, the Red class, the Blue class, > etc. There was some question of giving the students clothing that was > uniform, simple, modest, but noble ... it was decided that they were to > dress in brown Mans muslin, then more fashionable than it is today. This > dress consisted of a coat and a skirt, the bonnet being of white canvas > with a lace piece, all decorated with a ribbon.[7] > ” > Each class was headed by a "maîtresse de classe", who was herself > supported by a second mistress and sub-mistresses. Some of the oldest > and most talented students were deputised for these mistresses and wore > black ribbons. Indeed, the role of the "blacks" was wider. Chosen from > among the most talented and disciplined of the "blues", they were in > charge of helping the teachers and in the hospital, refectory, accounts, > etc.[8] The class mistresses were led by a "Maîtresse générale des > classes", who not only coordinated the different classes but also had > responsibility for the students outside of school hours.[1] > The mistresses and other ladies were not nuns but took "simples" or > temporary religious vows of poverty, chastity and obedience, as well as > vows to "devote their life to the education and instruction of the > demoiselles", which Madame de Maintenon judged to be the most important > vow of all. They were uniformly dressed in black muslin, with a black > bonnet.[1] > The students were housed at Saint-Cyr until they reached 20 and were not > supposed to leave it until that age, unless in cases of dismissal, > marriage or "exceptional family circumstances."[2] When they left the > school at the end of their studies, they received a dowry of 3,000 > livres either for a suitable marriage or to allow them to enter a > convent. However, some ex-students did not leave and remained there as > teachers. To guarantee the quality of teaching, students who wished to > become teachers followed a "noviciate" of 6 years during which they were > trained in teaching by the "Maîtresse des novices".[1] > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. 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