>YES, THE TEMPLAR PRESENTATION was one of the best i have seen. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >they showed a map location of the lirey shroud chapel that marianne and i found. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >although they didn't mention the degruy. they described the +TEMPLAR GROUP+ >the degruys belonged to and< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GEOFFREY de CHARNEY+ husband of +JEANNE de VERGY+ ^^^^^^^^^^ (owner of the shroud) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >OF THE HOUSE OF VERGY FAMILY (powerful burgundy nobles) (MICHAEL deGRUYERE's MOTHER) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene