Lou - The Orleans Parish Birth Certificate records on the Orleans Parish GenWeb site shows her parents as David Withmeyer and Josephine Brasholz. However, It is interesting to note that there are 4 siblings and on one of them the mother is listed as Josephine Hanle. Here is the hyperlink: http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/vitals/births/index/nobiwiwn.txt The marriage records on the site shows that David Withmeyer, age 26, married Josephine Brasholz, age 19, on 6/14/1888 as documented in Vol. 17, p. 736, of the Orleans Parish Marriage Certificate records. Neither are listed as being born in New Orleans, though before 1870 the records show that people did not regularly register births with the public records (and not always afterwards). Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sisdegree@cox.net Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:13 AM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Can anyone set me straight on Barbara's mother? I have her parents as Dave Withmayer and Loretta Williamson and in her obituary, the mother is listed as Josephine Halte. Sylvia ---- Louis De Gruy <louisdegruy3rd@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I am a babe lost in cyberspace and ancestor tracing. Barbara Whitmeyer DeGruy was my Grandmother. I did not know that my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. had a middle name of Verloin. We always called him "Pappa". I know there was a Louis V. DeGruy that owned a jewelry store in Metairie. I did not know him or his family just of them. My Grandmother died when I was a small young-un. I remember my Grandad very well. I learned his Dad was Lucien Horace DeGruy and his Mom was Henrietta  Louis Harvey. In fact, Henrietta's picture  is on the main wall of the  Destrehan Plantation.  I knew some of my Grandad's brothers, Edgar, Joe, Same, Horace, and Lucien. I think he had a sis or 2, but I don't know for sure. I did not know Lucien as he was killed in the Galveston, TX during the hurricane of 1906.   > > There is a Lt. L. F. (Lucien Florentine) DeGruy, CSA, that was in the LA Militia during the Civil War. I don't know if that is my Grandad's Grandad or the relationship. Can anyone help me fill in the blanks from Lt. L. F. DeGruy to my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. or Louis Verloin DeGruy. I spoke with my Dad's 2 remaining sisters and they could not remember anymore than what we have. > > Thanks for everyone's help in researching our roots. >  God Bless, > > Lou DeGruy III > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:05:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite > > Will do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite > > Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" > section by the photo on the site when you can? > If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. > Thanks > R > > Wally Schneidau wrote: > > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on > 2/5/1890 > > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site > as > > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > > > Wally Schneidau > >  > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. 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Can anyone set me straight on Barbara's mother? I have her parents as Dave Withmayer and Loretta Williamson and in her obituary, the mother is listed as Josephine Halte. Sylvia ---- Louis De Gruy <louisdegruy3rd@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I am a babe lost in cyberspace and ancestor tracing. Barbara Whitmeyer DeGruy was my Grandmother. I did not know that my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. had a middle name of Verloin. We always called him "Pappa". I know there was a Louis V. DeGruy that owned a jewelry store in Metairie. I did not know him or his family just of them. My Grandmother died when I was a small young-un. I remember my Grandad very well. I learned his Dad was Lucien Horace DeGruy and his Mom was Henrietta  Louis Harvey. In fact, Henrietta's picture  is on the main wall of the  Destrehan Plantation.  I knew some of my Grandad's brothers, Edgar, Joe, Same, Horace, and Lucien. I think he had a sis or 2, but I don't know for sure. I did not know Lucien as he was killed in the Galveston, TX during the hurricane of 1906.   > > There is a Lt. L. F. (Lucien Florentine) DeGruy, CSA, that was in the LA Militia during the Civil War. I don't know if that is my Grandad's Grandad or the relationship. Can anyone help me fill in the blanks from Lt. L. F. DeGruy to my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. or Louis Verloin DeGruy. I spoke with my Dad's 2 remaining sisters and they could not remember anymore than what we have. > > Thanks for everyone's help in researching our roots. >  God Bless, > > Lou DeGruy III > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:05:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite > > Will do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite > > Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" > section by the photo on the site when you can? > If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. > Thanks > R > > Wally Schneidau wrote: > > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on > 2/5/1890 > > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site > as > > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > > > Wally Schneidau > >  > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou - I can help a little with the information I have. Lucien Floristien Degruy (1/8/1822 - 5/15/1894) was the son of Pierre Verloin DeGruy and Francoise Azelie St. Amant. He married Adelina Theresa Price on 1/7/1842 and had at least one child, Florestine DeGruy. It is possible that he had more, but birth and baptismal records for the 1830s through 1860s are still incomplete. I do not think he is an immediate ancestor of yours, though it is likely that he is a cousin of one of your ancestors. My records show that Lucien Horace DeGruy was the son of Antoine Onesime DeGruy (abt. 1810-10/16/1888) and Louise Evaline Cauvin (abt. 1815 - 1/18/1893). I am not sure how Antoine Onesime was related to the rest of the DeGruy family. Lucien Horace DeGruy had at least five siblings. If you wish, I can send you a .pdf file of the descendants of Antoine Onesime. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis De Gruy Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:41 AM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite I am a babe lost in cyberspace and ancestor tracing. Barbara Whitmeyer DeGruy was my Grandmother. I did not know that my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. had a middle name of Verloin. We always called him "Pappa". I know there was a Louis V. DeGruy that owned a jewelry store in Metairie. I did not know him or his family just of them. My Grandmother died when I was a small young-un. I remember my Grandad very well. I learned his Dad was Lucien Horace DeGruy and his Mom was Henrietta  Louis Harvey. In fact, Henrietta's picture  is on the main wall of the  Destrehan Plantation.  I knew some of my Grandad's brothers, Edgar, Joe, Same, Horace, and Lucien. I think he had a sis or 2, but I don't know for sure. I did not know Lucien as he was killed in the Galveston, TX during the hurricane of 1906.   There is a Lt. L. F. (Lucien Florentine) DeGruy, CSA, that was in the LA Militia during the Civil War. I don't know if that is my Grandad's Grandad or the relationship. Can anyone help me fill in the blanks from Lt. L. F. DeGruy to my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. or Louis Verloin DeGruy. I spoke with my Dad's 2 remaining sisters and they could not remember anymore than what we have. Thanks for everyone's help in researching our roots.  God Bless, Lou DeGruy III ________________________________ From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> To: degruy@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Will do. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" section by the photo on the site when you can? If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. Thanks R Wally Schneidau wrote: > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on 2/5/1890 > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site as > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > Wally Schneidau >  This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a babe lost in cyberspace and ancestor tracing. Barbara Whitmeyer DeGruy was my Grandmother. I did not know that my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. had a middle name of Verloin. We always called him "Pappa". I know there was a Louis V. DeGruy that owned a jewelry store in Metairie. I did not know him or his family just of them. My Grandmother died when I was a small young-un. I remember my Grandad very well. I learned his Dad was Lucien Horace DeGruy and his Mom was Henrietta  Louis Harvey. In fact, Henrietta's picture  is on the main wall of the  Destrehan Plantation.  I knew some of my Grandad's brothers, Edgar, Joe, Same, Horace, and Lucien. I think he had a sis or 2, but I don't know for sure. I did not know Lucien as he was killed in the Galveston, TX during the hurricane of 1906.   There is a Lt. L. F. (Lucien Florentine) DeGruy, CSA, that was in the LA Militia during the Civil War. I don't know if that is my Grandad's Grandad or the relationship. Can anyone help me fill in the blanks from Lt. L. F. DeGruy to my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. or Louis Verloin DeGruy. I spoke with my Dad's 2 remaining sisters and they could not remember anymore than what we have. Thanks for everyone's help in researching our roots.  God Bless, Lou DeGruy III ________________________________ From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> To: degruy@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Will do. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" section by the photo on the site when you can? If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. Thanks R Wally Schneidau wrote: > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on 2/5/1890 > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site as > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > Wally Schneidau >  This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Will do. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" section by the photo on the site when you can? If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. Thanks R Wally Schneidau wrote: > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on 2/5/1890 > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site as > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > Wally Schneidau > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+THOMAS JEFFERSON+ 1743-1826 +BENJAMIN HENRY LATROBE+ 1764-1820 >are two other heroic persona of our monumental genealogical history ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (joining st. bernard & leonardo) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE DOMES CONSTRUCTED+ (masonic influence) >at three important structures are the factors to excite our interest. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) DEGRUY SUGAR MILL 2) JEFFERSON'S MONTECELLO 3) WASHINGTON CAPITOL (>note : this piece was galvenised by my purchase of the montecello guide by fred nichols & james bear.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE GENTLEMAN ARCHITECT+ >thomas jefferson was a talented amateur archItect who secretly submitted a design for the national capitol competition. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE MASONIC ARCHITECT+ >irish masonic architect janes hoban won the competition and later invited his +BRITISH MAROVIAN HERITAGE+ >friend benjamin latrobe to aid him<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE WINNING DESIGN+ >based on the first irish masonic lodge which for us had strong templar associations even by name. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE CORNERSTONE WAS LAID ON+ >important templar date< +BLACK FRIDAY THE 13TH, 1792+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"FATHER OF AMERICAN ARCHITECTURE"+ latrobe's superior masonic design work on government buildings earned him +PRESTIGOUS RECOGNITION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MONTECELLO+ >in the meantime was under construction and latrobe offered jefferson advice on the dome and other details. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JEFFERSON WAS ALSO INFLUENCED+ >hotel de salm, paris, environ<. +BY CHATEAUX DESIGN IN FRANCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(remember his tie to our degruy- +GOOGLE MY ESSAYS+ >noailles/lafayette connection) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >jeffeson was impressed by latrobe and aided his elevation to the role of.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SURVEYOR OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS+ 1803-1812 +FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >between 1815 and 1817 latrobe redesigned the burnt out >national capitol in washington ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TEMPLAR-MASON INFLUENCE+ >it should be noted that the monument +LATROBE DESIGN+ >devoted to george washington in >washington is egypyological< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COPY OF THE ALEXANDRIA+ >british scholarship< +EGYPT LIGHTHOUSE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NEW ORLEANS WATERWORKS+ >between 1817 and 1820 when he died +YELLOW FEVER+ >latrobe became chief architect of the new orleans water works. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +IT WAS DURING THIS PERIOD THAT+ +LATROBE & SON MADE SKETCHES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +OF THE deGRUY SUGER MILL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PUZZLING QUESTION+ >why would the "father of american architecture" leave washington to build a waterworks in +FEVERISH NOLA+ ? ^^^^^^^^^^ >the younger latrobe also died in nola +OF THE DREADED YELLOW FEVER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WAS IT A MASONIC MISSION+ ? (or a desire for sugar wealth) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

What a wonderful idea! Has anyone ever proposed this as a possibility???? Fernin Eaton wrote: > Unfortunately the City does not honor Latrobe with a monument there. The site would be a wonderful location for a riverfront park. An architect could easily follow the rich description which Mrs. Latrobe gave in her wonderful letter home, describing the house, gardens, gallery, etc. >

Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" section by the photo on the site when you can? If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. Thanks R Wally Schneidau wrote: > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on 2/5/1890 > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site as > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > Wally Schneidau >

Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on 2/5/1890 as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site as Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Lynn Hyde Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:01 AM To: DEGRUY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Listers, I sent a couple of photos to Rennee on Sunday morning of the grave site for a Barbara DeGruy (Feb 5, 1890-Oct 25, 1949). She is buried in the Withmeyer plot along with a few others of differing surnames (Graff, Brasholz, etc). I spotted her while I was visiting the Valence Street Cemetery in New Orleans last Fall where I have German great grandparents on my mother's side buried there. Have been meaning to share but forgot I have them. Renee will post on the DeGruy website. I discovered the grave while browsing the Valence Street cemetery grounds on Oct 31, 2009. The adjacent plot is Wm Burst. Coincidentally Burst is my great-grandmother Afra Burst's family surname, but I've not heard of William so don't know of any connection, but suspect there is. Afra is buried with her husband Simon Rapp in the Rapp plot which is not too far from the Burst and Withmeyer plots. fyi, Mary Lynn This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In answer to your 'puzzling question', part of the reason Benjamin Henry Latrobe moved to New Orleans was to re-group financially after making a bad investment in Fulton's steamship business. He died three years to the day after his son did, in New Orleans, at his residence, Clouet Street and the river. Unfortunately the City does not honor Latrobe with a monument there. The site would be a wonderful location for a riverfront park. An architect could easily follow the rich description which Mrs. Latrobe gave in her wonderful letter home, describing the house, gardens, gallery, etc. At that curve of the river, the prior occupants could have seen from their gallery the cannon flashes on the night of December 23, 1814, when the Carolina opened fire on the British, who were making their first night's camp just two miles downriver, to start Gen. Jackson's most important (and greatly overlooked) pre-emptive strike which put the British in disarray and secured the eventual victory on January 8, 1815 known as 'the' Battle of New Orleans. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Ray Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 2:00 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEGRUY] JEFFERSON-LATROBE masonic tie >father of american architecture left his prestigous wash. position FOR FEVER-RIDDEN NOLA POST >was it a masonic mission or a DESIRE FOR SUGAR WEALTH $$$ two degruy sugar mill sketches HISTORIC N.O. COLLECTION doc... +THOMAS JEFFERSON+ 1743-1826 +BENJAMIN HENRY LATROBE+ 1764-1820 >are two other heroic persona of our monumental genealogical history ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (joining st. bernard & leonardo) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE DOMES CONSTRUCTED+ (masonic influence) >at three important structures are the factors to excite our interest. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) DEGRUY SUGAR MILL 2) JEFFERSON'S MONTECELLO 3) WASHINGTON CAPITOL (>note : this piece was galvenised by my purchase of the montecello guide by fred nichols & james bear.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE GENTLEMAN ARCHITECT+ >thomas jefferson was a talented amateur archItect who secretly submitted a design for the national capitol competition. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE MASONIC ARCHITECT+ >irish masonic architect janes hoban won the competition and later invited his +BRITISH MAROVIAN HERITAGE+ >friend benjamin latrobe to aid him<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE WINNING DESIGN+ >based on the first irish masonic lodge which for us had strong templar associations even by name. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE CORNERSTONE WAS LAID ON+ >important templar date< +BLACK FRIDAY THE 13TH, 1792+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"FATHER OF AMERICAN ARCHITECTURE"+ latrobe's superior masonic design work on government buildings earned him +PRESTIGOUS RECOGNITION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MONTECELLO+ >in the meantime was under construction and latrobe offered jefferson advice on the dome and other details. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JEFFERSON WAS ALSO INFLUENCED+ >hotel de salm, paris, environ<. +BY CHATEAUX DESIGN IN FRANCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(remember his tie to our degruy- +GOOGLE MY ESSAYS+ >noailles/lafayette connection) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >jeffeson was impressed by latrobe and aided his elevation to the role of.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SURVEYOR OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS+ 1803-1812 +FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >between 1815 and 1817 latrobe redesigned the burnt out >national capitol in washington ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TEMPLAR-MASON INFLUENCE+ >it should be noted that the monument +LATROBE DESIGN+ >devoted to george washington in >washington is egypyological< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COPY OF THE ALEXANDRIA+ >british scholarship< +EGYPT LIGHTHOUSE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NEW ORLEANS WATERWORKS+ >between 1817 and 1820 when he died +YELLOW FEVER+ >latrobe became chief architect of the new orleans water works. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +IT WAS DURING THIS PERIOD THAT+ +LATROBE & SON MADE SKETCHES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +OF THE deGRUY SUGER MILL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PUZZLING QUESTION+ >why would the "father of american architecture" leave washington to build a waterworks in +FEVERISH NOLA+ ? ^^^^^^^^^^ >the younger latrobe also died in nola +OF THE DREADED YELLOW FEVER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WAS IT A MASONIC MISSION+ ? (or a desire for sugar wealth) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+THE STARS OF OUR RESEARCH+ >must be saint bernard and >leonardo da vinci< ^^^^^^^^^^ +TRANSCENDENT REALITY+ >both relating to transcendent reality and creative measures toward >that heavenly goal< ^^^^^^^^^^^ +GOD=LENGTH-WIDTH-HEIGHTH+ >(and by all means)< +DEPTH+ ^^^^ >definition by saint bernard< (with my "by all means") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +REALITY IS MULTI DIMENSIONAL+ >and let us not forget that it is all in +VIBRATIONAL HARMONY+ (flow very important) >trouble results in impeded places +CORNERS AS AN EXAMPLE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CIRCLE PREDICTS SPHERE+ >st. bernard's observation reminds us that all circular design is really ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RELATING TO THE SPHERE+ (shape of the universe) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"THE CREATOR"+ >bible illustration of 1250 france from +SACRED GEOMETRY+ >by robert lawlor< >showing jesus w/ compass creating +CIRCULAR FORM+ >that becomes the spherical universe< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +STONE VIBRATIONS+ >the same book credits saint bernard with progendering churches where choir lofts are designed to act as +GIANT SOUND RESONATORS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WIND AMPLIFIERS+ >the maya built structures in the yucatan that resonated with the wind for religious +CEREMONIES+ ^^^^^^^^ +UNIVERSAL SPHEROID 1970+ (sixty-five foot diameter) +OPENABLE SPHERICAL VOLUME+ >was the first structure that i designed +CENTRAL INTERIOR GARDEN+ >in california suggesting that my view +LAJOLLA SPRING 1970+ >of california was of an arcadian place< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +OPENABLE RESIDENCE+ >lajolla california my chosen home in this radiant beautiful coastal zone +CRIES FOR BUILDINGS TO OPEN+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >one of the great factors of the famed +CALIFORNIA BUNGALOW+ (the first american version built at the cove beach in 1894, lajolla) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >WAS THAT THE BUNGALOW HAD +A LARGER WINDOW AREA+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >letting in more light thus providing a generally healthier environment +LIGHT=HEALTH+ >(victorian interiors were dark >musty, unhealthy places) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE COVE BEACH+ >on these beautiful days of early summer is the most perfect outdoor room i +RADIANT WITH ENERGY+ >have ever seen, followed by that of +BEAULIEU IN FRANCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"ENVIRONMENTAL PROTOTYPES"+ >was the class i designed and taught at san diego state university to explore +IDEAL BUILDING ARCHTYPES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE deGRUY SUGAR MILL+ >is the perfect example of an ideal arch- type where the form is a resultant of +THE NATURE OF THE INTERNAL+ +PROGRAM OF FUNCTION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (sugar processing was circular) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MEXICAN LECTURE 1971+ >the year after i initiated these classes at sdsu ivan illitch the famous ex- +IVAN ILLITCH+ >catholic monseignor invited me +GOOGLE : FOR INFO+ >to lecture at his school in cuernavaca mexico featured in time magazine> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"THE CENTER FOR+ >c i d o c< +INTERNATIONAL DOCUMENTATION"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >illitch had invited experts from around the world on issues relating to better social conditions for poor people. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RADIANT ARCHITECTURE+ (vibrational energy @ the core) >the geodesic dome (1/2 of a sphere) was one of several prototypes i was able to share that was strong and +AFFORDABLE+ ^^^^^^^^ >the other prototypes i showed in my lectures were biomorphic structures ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PROTOTYPES TO RESIST ANY+ >(thin-shell plasticity)< +HURRICANE OR EARTHQUAKE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DESIGN BASED ON RESEARCH+ >the goal of my environ. design program was to find better ways to build not simply teaching outmoded "styles" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAINT BERNARD, I BELIEVE, WOULD+ (text="whole earth catalog") +HAVE EMBRACED ENVIRO. DESIGN+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LEONARDO DAVINCI+ >would have felt right at home< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PRIMAL GEOMETRIC STRUCTURE+ >the cover of "sacrd geometry" by lawlor features luca pacioli who comissioned +LEONARDO'S ILLUSTRATIONS+ of ideal primal geometry for >his transcendent book< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"DEVINA PROPORTIONE"+ >available exactly 500 years ago< >SPRING OF 1510< ^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Dear Degruy Cousins, The message below appeared on another Rootsweb discussion list. Please consider signing this petition. Please pass it on for others to sign who may not be on our Degruy list. Merci, R ************************************** Please sign the petition to save the French degree program at Southeastern University in Hammond, Louisiana. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-the-french-department-at-southeastern-louisiana-university It was only 1 or 2 generations ago that French was a major language here in Louisiana. The system beat it out of our parents and grand-parents and made them learn English. Many Louisianans still speak French, and as such the impact of French on our state has been incalculable. Other than Quebec, Louisiana is the largest French speaking area in the Western Hemisphere. There's too much Acadian & Cajun culture to be lost by eliminating these courses. More schools should offer these courses instead of trying to get rid of it. I might understand a school in someplace like Kansas eliminating French (nothing against Kansas), but not here in Louisiana. ****************************************

+DEDICATION+ >for henry lincoln, english scholar and b.b.c. television producer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ENGLISH SCHOLARSHIP+ >should not be ignored in any review of transcendent structure deign ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it has been very important< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ORGANIC ARCHTYPE+ >this material relates to the +DEGRUY ROUND SUGAR MILL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >plus the many round designs< +OF MY DESIGN OEUVRE+ >fifty years of work< ^^^^^^^^^^ +ORGANIC DESIGN KNOWLEDGE+ >can be found in henry lincolns important book on circular & pentagonal patterns at rennes le chateau... also poussin's +"SHEPHERDS OF ARCADIA"+ >painting. plus round norway churches lincoln discovered on bornholm isle. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +KEY TO THE SACRED PATTERN+ the untold story of +"RENNES LE CHATEAU"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is a much overlooked british book by henry lincoln, prime author of +"THE HOLY BLOOD & THE HOLY GRAIL"+ the man who brought the mysteries of +RENNES LE CHATEAU+ >to the english speaking world< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +B.B.C. DOCUMENTARIES+ >henry lincoln also produced some fascinating rennes le chateau bbc film documentaries that i highly >+RECOMMEND+< ^^^^^^^^ +LONDON INTELLECTUAL CENTER+ >it has been my pleasure and honor to lecture twice in london about my +RADIANT ARCHITECTURE+ >round and biomorphic tensile design and the audiences were the best >i encountered in any venue<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RAINER BANHAM, PETER COOK+ (architecture association) +DENNIS CROMPTON+ (london) +RON HERRON+ >were professors of architecture in london who earned international respect for their teaching who ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >BECAME MY BEST AUDIENCE FOR >intense research scholars< +SACRED GEOMETRY CONCEPTS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ENGLISH SCHOLARS+ >john ray father of english botony +WAS IN VERY GOOD COMPANY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BENJAMIN HENRY LATROBE+ >we must remember it is from england that came benjamin henry latrobe the great masonic architect who was fascinated by the famed +deGRUY SUGAR MILL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RICHARD MORRELL STAIGG+ (staigg/cavaroc family) >and richard morrell staigg the young architect's apprentice from leeds england who settled in +NEWPORT RHODE ISLAND+ >to become a famed portrait painter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LONDON REEKS OF SCHOLARSHIP+ >always stay near the famous +BRITISH MUSEUM+ >with its outstanding collection of +EGYPTOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS+ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ +INTERESTINGLY+ >although scholars in london are very devoted to historical architecture ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THEY HAVE A KEEN INTEREST+ +IN VERY ADVANCED IDEAS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"SACRED GEOMETRY"+ +"philosophy and practice"+ by robert lawlor ^^^^^^^^^ >is the second fine book on the subject +PUBLISHED IN LONDON+ >to emerge from my library storage. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this fine work is dedicated to +R.A. SCHWALLER de LUBICZ+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the famed egyptology/alchemy expert who was friend of the de leseppes brothers and the star if the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LIBRAIRE DU MERVIELLEUX+ and the hugo/nodier +ARSENAL LIBRARY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >vibrational wave form at the< +HEART OF THE MATTER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to be continued gene ray, san diego, california

+SACRED GEOMETRY OVERVIEW+ >note: as usual, if you google key words in yesterday's discussion after my name and degruy you will find a larger +AMOUNT OF INFORMATION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >examples< +EUGENE RAY / DEGRUY+ >SACRED GEOMETRY and >SAINT BERNARD and >RADIANT (BIOTRONIC) ENERGY and +ROUND STRUCTURES+ and +TEMPLARS & MASONS+ and +ROUGEMONT & CLAIRVAUX+ etc., etc., etc., etc., +ROUGEMONT MONASTERY+ >our rougemont monastery preceeded st. bernard's clairvaux by a fair +AMOUNT OF TIME+ (at least two decades) >later st. bernard's cistercian order of monks took rougemont over which +WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MANUSCRIPTS & KNOWLEDGE+ >apparently guillaume de gruyere the first count to use the gruyere name ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHO BUILT ROUGEMONT IN THANKS+ for safe return from the 1st crusade ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +INSTALLED HIS SON AS ABBOT+ >who spread the word of christianity +ESPECIALLY JEAN BAPTISTE+ >(gruyere castle church) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >AND INSTALLED HAND PRINTING (illuminated manuscripts) >METHODS THAT PROGENDERED (sacred geometry etc.) +THE MANUSCRIPTS AT CLAIRVAUX+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >we remember that guillaume and +EARLY TEMPLARS+ >100 of his best gruyere knights ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BROUGHT BACK KNOWLEDGE OF+ +KING SOLOMON'S TEMPLE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >that saint bernard and the architects +OF THE GOTHIC CATHEDRALS+ (notre dame/chartres/etc.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +REVOLUTIONISED CHURCH DESIGN+ >creating transcendence on earth< +LIGHT-ART-SOARING SPACES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAINT BERNARD'S VISION+ >one must reflect on the flow of ideas and people between rougemont- +SWITZERLAND+ >gruyere monastery and that +CHAMPAGNE+ of st. bernard's clairvaux ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >THE TRANSITION FROM GRUYERE TO GRUY IN CHAMPAGNE MUST HAVE >rougemont to clairvaux< +BEEN TIED TO MONASTIC/TEMPLAR+ ST. BERNARD SYNERGY-CHARISMA.. >a natural evolution patten< >on the road to paris< ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN TONGUE+ >saint bernard was famous in his time not only for his vision but for his +ORATORIAL POWER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >the pope commissioned him to preach the second crusade and he ignited ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +A VAST FOLLOWING THAT HAD+ +A VERY SAD CONCLUSION+ >(many perished but his >oratory was famous) ^^^^^^^^^^^ +HE WAS QUICKLY CANONISED+ >(despite his petty political >affairs w/ abelard etc) +AFTER HIS DEATH+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >we must remember the close tie between st. bernard and our ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VERLOIN deGRUY NOBILITY+ (clairvaux-magny fouchard) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this monastery/nobility synergy was >typical all over christian europe< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE DUKE OF BURGUNDY+ >closely linked w/ gruyere/vergy interests and the la roche de ray shroud of turin heritage in his relm was a powerful +SUPPORTER OF ST. BERNARD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE de CHARNEY-de VERGY+ >protectors of the holy shroud both had fathers who were seneschals, one of +THE KINGDOM OF BURGUNDY+ >the other of +THE CHAMPAGNE REGION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >who protected knights templars during >the terror of the templar inquisition< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MAGNY FOUCHARD CHATEAU WAS+ >(if only my father knew as he >fought @ nearby ch. thierry) +INTACT UNTIL THE 1ST WORLD WAR+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

+SACRED GEOMETRY+ +DECIPHERING THE CODE+ by stephen skinner >is an extremly interesting reference that >every good library should possess< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE GOLDEN MEAN USED IN+ +BUILDING THE CATHEDRALS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >by st. bernard and his architects was an inheritence from the greeks and more +ORIGINALLY THE EGYPTIANS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON+ >in jerusalem was a profound influence on the design of chartres cathedral by st. bernard and his templars. +THE VERLOIN deGRUY+ >and associated "orient forest" troyes +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >confederated templar families under +BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX+ (merovingian blood brothers) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COUNTS OF GRUYERE FIRST OVER+ +THE WALLS OF JERUSALEM+ (cresent on the coat of arms) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CRUSADER-TEMPLAR KNIGHTS+ >brought back from jerusalem "the orient" concepts for the design of chartres such as the very primal organic symbols of +THE SUN & THE MOON+ >represented by the two disparit +CHARTRES TOWERS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE FLYING BUTTRESS+ >used at chartres, notre dame and other cathedrals was an inheritence from +KING SOLOMONS TEMPLE+ >and must have been much discussed at saint bernard's clairvaux studios ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LOCATED SO CLOSE TO OUR+ >related blood families< +VERLOIN deGRUY CHATEAU+ >ancient/noble< +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CHARTRES CATHEDRAL LABRINTH+ >the 261 foot long circular stone labrinth set unto the floor of chartres cathedral (the only cathedral labrinth left) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CREATED A PILGRIMAGE PATH TO+ >lighted by candles< +JERUSALEM FOR THOSE WHO+ +power vortex+ +COULDN'T ACTUALLY GO+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +POWER OF THE CIRCLE+ >note: this power vortex circle is one of >those genetic memory masonic< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +INFLUENCES TO OUR VERLOIN+ >new orleans, 18th C.< +deGRUY ROUND SUGAR MILL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GENETIC INHERITENCE+ >(and played such an important role in the design of my architecture) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CROP CIRCLES+ >in the very year of the completion of +THE SILVER SHIP+ (1980) >(where i designed so many >circular structures<) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the first "modern" crop circle was +DISCOVERED IN ENGLAND+ (wiltshire, (google for information) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +IN 1990 OVER 1000 CROP CIRCLES+ +CIRCLES APPEARED WORLD WIDE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +POWER EVENTS OF OUR TIME+ >(the chapter on crop circles in the book on sacred geometry is exellent and >i highly recommend it to you) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MIRACLE IN THE FIELDS+ >in july of 1996 within a 45 min. period a gigantic 915 foot in diameter crop +OPPOSITE STONEHENGE+ >circle appeared consisting of +151 INTERLOCKED CIRCLES+ >(a pilot, a gamekeeper and security guard all observed this miracle ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >impossible to fabricate< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RENNES LE CHATEAU+ >a chapter on rennes le chateau in the "SACRED GEOMETRY" >book focuses on the poussin painting "SHEPHERDS OF ARCADIA" and the way the figures are composed In a circle containing two pentagrams ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE SHEPHERDS STAFFS FORMED+ +BY THE TWO PENTAGRAMS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MEROVINGIAN HEART+ >the spot the shepherd points to< >is the center of the circle< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THIS MEROVINGIAN PAINTING+ (hereditary secrets) +SO DESPERATELY WANTED+ (brienne later) +BY KING LOUIS XIV+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ to be continued... gene ray, san diego, california

Listers, I sent a couple of photos to Rennee on Sunday morning of the grave site for a Barbara DeGruy (Feb 5, 1890-Oct 25, 1949). She is buried in the Withmeyer plot along with a few others of differing surnames (Graff, Brasholz, etc). I spotted her while I was visiting the Valence Street Cemetery in New Orleans last Fall where I have German great grandparents on my mother's side buried there. Have been meaning to share but forgot I have them. Renee will post on the DeGruy website. I discovered the grave while browsing the Valence Street cemetery grounds on Oct 31, 2009. The adjacent plot is Wm Burst. Coincidentally Burst is my great-grandmother Afra Burst's family surname, but I've not heard of William so don't know of any connection, but suspect there is. Afra is buried with her husband Simon Rapp in the Rapp plot which is not too far from the Burst and Withmeyer plots. fyi, Mary Lynn

>YES, THE TEMPLAR PRESENTATION was one of the best i have seen. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >they showed a map location of the lirey shroud chapel that marianne and i found. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >although they didn't mention the degruy. they described the +TEMPLAR GROUP+ >the degruys belonged to and< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GEOFFREY de CHARNEY+ husband of +JEANNE de VERGY+ ^^^^^^^^^^ (owner of the shroud) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >OF THE HOUSE OF VERGY FAMILY (powerful burgundy nobles) (MICHAEL deGRUYERE's MOTHER) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene

Evening, Bob Mhoon has kindly shared two files with us. Here are his words: "This is the Contract (translation) for the July 1806 marriage of Sieur Achilles Berard and the Demoiselle Marie-Hortense Boutte. She was the daughter of Francois Cezare Boutte and Marie Therese Degruis. In my home town (New Iberia, LA) there is Hortense St. that was named for the bride. It ended directly behind our family home. I've also attached a news clipping discussing the fight for oil rights in Barataria though it probably is of little interest to the group. You are free to share this information however you like." I've uploaded this to the Photo Section of the website, even though they aren't photos. There are quite a few cousins on this list with Boutte-Degruy connections. So there will be quite a few who will be interested in this materia. As [bad] luck would have it, Barataria and oil are in the news again right now.... but not exactly in the same context. Thank you, Bob, for sharing these files with us. R

+TEMPLAR-de GRUY STORY+ >was shown here last night on the history television channel and w/ much detail. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +INCLUDING THE SHROUD OF TURIN+ >(lirey=le rey=le ray) +TRANSFER TO THE LIREY CHAPEL+ >(marianne & i, 2009 pilgrimage)< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >by the famous #1 french knight +GEOFFRY de CHARNEY+ >(bearer of the french oroflame), ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >who was married to our vergy ancestor< +JEANNE de VERGY+ >who had inherited the shroud from her la-roach de-ray connection. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >WHO HAD IMPORTED THE SHROUD FROM CONSTANTINOPLE TO THE (pons la-roche de-ray) +LA-ROCHE de-RAY CASTLE+ (google for photograph) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (near besancon, france) +TEMPLAR-MASON STRONGHOLD+ >hugo/foucher/nodier origins< +rougemont knights link+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SYNCHRONICITIES GALORE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) jeanne de vergy related to michael de gruyere's (burgundy) mother >(her grandfather was the >seneschal of burgundy) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) >(michael de gruyere died in the >vergy castle in burgundy) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3) the la roche de ray family are a double (ray-degruy) ancestor and their castle was the largest in burgundy. 4) the wooden casket that originally contained the shroud is still exhibited in the castle. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5) after geoffry de charney was killed, saving the kings life, his vergy widow married hubert de villersexel & the shroud >was relocated to montbard, france< +ST. HIPPOLYTE CHAPEL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 6) finally after villersexel died the +HOLY SHROUD+ >was traded to savoy/lusignan +LOUIS, DUKE deSAVOY+ >merovingian relations< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHO KING FRANCOIS I's MOTHER+ (michael de gruyere cousin) +LOUISe de SAVOY DESCENDED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 7)>her father being the duke de bresse de savoy ancestor of my de bres +great grandmother+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CATHERINE de BRES(SE)+ >wife of john ray of rayville, louisiana whose son eugene ray (#1) married ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LUCIE VERLOIN deGRUY+ >descendent of michael de gruyere >and his vergy-savoy-bresse links< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +KEEPING IT ALL IN THE FAMILY+ (mind boggling synchronicity) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VERLOIN deGRUY SURVIVAL+ >the history channel detailed program mentioned that relativly few of the knights templars were killed in >the kings tragic inquisition<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THUS OUR CHAMPAGNE-BURGUNDY+ >(they possessed political power w/ montmorency/brienne) +ANCESTORS SURVIVED VERY WELL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HABSBURG-LUXEMBURG LINK+ >the vergy's became strong in belgium -luxemburg to explain the degruy +KING de LUXE NEIGHBORS+ >the savoy endured to become the +KINGS OF ITALY+ >the second longest royal reign (the windsors are first) >and w/ habsburg connections< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE TEMPLAR-SWISS BANKING+ +POWER WAS EMPHASIZED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TEMPLARS TO MASONS+ >we must remember their powerful +DUKE de LUXEMBURG+ >neighbor montmorency founded the +GRAND ORIENT DE FRANCE+ >masonic lodge to which the templars +GRAND ORIENT PARK+ >were able to find political refuge. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SECRET SOCIETIES SAVED+ >the troyes families found protection from persecution in secret societies ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ +they protected many generations+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SOCIETY DU ST. SACREMENT+ >fronted by the priory de sion was their +FOUQUET-FRONDE POWER+ (poussin-arcadia shepherds) +RENNES LE CHATEAU+ >secret organizational link w/ others. +HUGO-FOUCHER-NODIER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CHATEAU BARBERY ST SULPICE+ >the ancient plantard castle west of the degruy templar city of troyes was the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LOCUS OF THE ALCHEMISTS+ >st. vincent de paul studied there w/ +JOHN THE ALCHEMIST+ >(until cardinal mazarin destroyed >the plantard castle forever) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PLANTARDS LOST EVERYTHING+ >pierre saved degaulle< +EXCEPT THEIR GREAT WILL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Confused: >+TEMPLAR-de GRUY STORY+ >was shown here last night on the history Did they actually mention the De Gruy name in this presentation? ------------------------------- >who was married to our vergy ancestor< >+JEANNE de VERGY+ Do we have any documents or family history which links Jeanne de Vergy as our ancestor? ------------------------------------------- >+LUCIE VERLOIN deGRUY+ >descendent of michael de gruyere Do we have a specific descendancy from Michael de Gruyere to Lucie Verloin deGruy? -------------------------------------------- If so, I'd like to add these to our files on our website. Thanks R Eugene Ray wrote: > +TEMPLAR-de GRUY STORY+ > >was shown here last night on the history > television channel and w/ much detail. > ^^^^^^^^^