+FRENCH MEN & FRENCH WAYS+ +IN THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY+ john francis mcdermott, ed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +(COLLECTION OF EXELLENT ESSAYS)+ >just retrieved from my storage has been a favorite book for many years ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRANCOIS SAUCIER+ +ENGINEER OF FORT de CHARTRES+ by walter j. saucier and katherine wagner seineke ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +(SAUCIER RELATED TO PERRYS)+ >is a valuable discovery here< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THIS DETAILED HISTORICAL ESSAY+ >is a particularly valuable insight re: the surveyor-engineer of the degruy, coutourier, foucher, bore and +RELATED PLANTATIONS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >who was related by marriage to< +JEAN FRANCOIS PERRY+ >(thus an important degruy link)< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PERRY-SAUCIER CONNECTION+ >(adelaide saucier's first husband was jean francois perry... she was the eldest daughter of +JEAN BAPTISTE SAUCIER+ youngest son of +FRANCOIS SAUCIER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >francois saucier was born in mobile in 1712 making him slightly older then +ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE+ +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COUSINS IN THE JUNGLE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >in 1739 the year antoine arrived from france, both served in the war against +THE CHICKASAW INDIANS+ >an ongoing debacle led by bienville but w/ improved military strategy >by the newly arrived< ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SIEUR de NOAILLES de AIME+ >(who was antoine's commander and ship mate aboard the kings troop ship. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(a noble sent by the french court who will figure in our history in several profound ways. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +REVISED DATE OF ARRIVAL+ >a journal kept by a shipmate of noailles and degruy dates their arrival in june (not march) of 1739 so they must >have been delayed in san domingue< possibly by storms in the n. atlantic. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAUCIER'S VALUABLE CHART+ >francois saucier serving under engineer broutin had made the land chart for >(BROUTIN DESIGNED THE NEW OFFICERS BARRACKS) >the french army fighting indians. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH COLONIAL NOBILITY+ >one of the french noblity serving with +SIEUR de NOAILLES+ broutin, saucier and degruy was +SIEUR de CELURAN+ >relative of toulouse lautrec's mother< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SIEUR BERNARD de VERGES+ >the famed french colonial engineer was also involved and would found the +NOLA FOOTBALL STAR+ >famous family of warren verges geat nola athlete of the 1950s. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LE GARDEUR, DELERY & DEGREUX+ >are important names mentioned in the history of the chickasaw wars that relate to our verloin degruy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +EVERISTE DEGREUX+ >(probably degruy), was the author of +"LOUISIANA JOURNAL HISTORIQUE"+ (all new to me) >and secretary to the famed +BERNARD de LA HARPE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH JUNGLE EXPLORER+ >de la harpe, french explorer, had been first european oh galveston island in 1721 and the founder of +"LE PETITE ROCHE"+ ^^^^^^^^^^ +LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS, 1722+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DE LA HARPE WAS GIVEN A CROWN+ +LAND GRANT AT NEW ORLEANS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >but what about our< ???+EVERISTE DEGREAX+??? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAUCIER MISPELLINGS+ >note: saucier's name is spelled in french records, : saucier, saucie, saussier, sossie, sossier, socie, etc. similar to the +DEGREUX-DEGRUY MIXUP+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CROWN LAND GRANTS+ >saucier was given a crown land grant on the river in plaquemine parish... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ADJACENT TO VERLOIN DEGRUY+ >lost crown grant< +BY FRENCH KING LOUIS XV+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to be continued.... gene ray, san diego, california

"ONLY IN FRANCE" CATEGORY >translates to< ("no sex please were british") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +EXCITED NYMPH PINK+ >(a color too risque to translate to an anglo speaking audience) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "CUISSE-DE-NYMPHE-EMUUE" >the "hot pink" color worn to the ball in 18th century new orleans by the governor vaudreuil's wife... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >translated by chapelin as< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"THIGH OF AN EXCITED NYMPHE"+ (explained as untranslatable) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >brings several thoughts to mind< +PLEASE SHUT THE DOOR+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CENSORED HISTORICAL DATA+ >is it untranslatable because nymphe implys a beautiful young >virgin< (THUS VERY RISQUE) >(my dictionary defines nymph as a "beautiful young >woman<") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHICH MAY ALSO BE TOO RISQUE+ (depending on the nationality of the reader "french or anglo") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE NATIONALITY OF THE NYMPH+ +IS PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >i would imagine the shade of hot pink would relate to the origin and geographic location of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE THIGH'S NYMPH+ (read carefully) ^^^^^^^^ >in rome where a red traffic light is "ONLY A SUGGESTION" >the shade of hot pink would probably +BE MUCH DEEPER THEN IN LONDON+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DESERT ROSE+ (a deep architectural shade) >frank lloyd wrights favorite color reflects +HOT PINK COLOR OF A MASONIC HUE+ (wright was influenced by steiner) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ROSICRUCIAN THEORY+ >which takes us closer to our degruy +ROSEMONT=ROUGEMONT+ >historical rosicrucian research data< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NORTH AFRICAN DESERT ROSE+ (with links to the french riviera) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >if the "excited nymph" shade of rose is +EGYPTIAN DESERT ORIGIN+ >then we are truly exotic and this takes us directly to our major sources of +ALCHEMICAL RESEARCH+ >in the heart of paris< ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +'LA LIBRAIRE DU MERVIELLEUX"+ (the de leseppes brothers >assisting papus etc.) ^^^^^^^^^^^ +"THE ARSENAL LIBRARY"+ >(priory de sion secrets as hidden by +TEMPLAR ROSE+ >victor hugo & charles nodier) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TEMPLAR-SION BOUDOIR+ >and at this point if we discover that >the "excited nymph" is really ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ADELE FOUCHER+ >we are in her dangerous secret life with her well known poet lover ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHERE THE SHADE OF ROSE+ +IS VERY DEEP INDEED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

+NEW ORLEANS 1960-1970+ >was an important period of my life in developing a grass roots creole +VISION FOR CREATIVITY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ST. LOUIS CEMETERY ALCHEMY+ (ignited in the vieux carre) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the vieux carre was the mise-en-scene of three prototypes i built toward a +GOAL OF CREOLE ARTISTRY+ >tropique/magique< >metaphysique< ^^^^^^^^ 1) EXPLORERS GIFT SHOP 2) TRAYLOR APARTMENT 3) JAZZ WORKSHOP +COLOR-LIGHT-ENERGY+ >(latin creole tropic syndrome was catalyst to this work) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LATIN CEMETERY ROOTS+ >the st. louis cemeteries adjacent to the vieux carre provided nutrient of a powerful metaphysical link with our latin creole roots. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ANCIENT ANCESTRAL TOMBS+ >i would spend cool early mornings in the st. louis cemeteries looking for the ancient tombs of our creole +DEPARTED ANCESTORS+ (many photographs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GRASS ROOTS ARTIFACTS+ >(read my piece on finding a voudou >google: EUGENE RAY/ DEGRUY VOUDOU DOLL >degruy rootswab archive< +SACRED MAGIC TALISMAN+ (january 1st . 2008) >doll on a tomb ledge one morning) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +(sources of creole genetic memory)+ DEGRUY-CAVAROC-LAMOTHE-FOUCHER BORE-MARIGNY-SAULET-COUTURIER DREIUX-LALANDE-PITOT-SAUTON ROY-CARRIERE-VIOSCA-BRES AUFRERE-DESTREHAN... etc., etc., etc., etc., >their ancient tomb ruins stood there +MYSTERY & DANGER+ >shoulder to shoulder forming an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +AMAZING SURREAL ASSEMBLAGE+ of carved marble slabs and black >BRICK STRUCTURE+ >rusting steel pattern work< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JOHN H. B. LATROBE+ >wrote a very descriptive memoir of the technique of building these structures +HIGH WATER TABLE+ >above the saturated damp ground. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RAY-DEGRUY RESIDENCE+ >just as my grandmother's house was during my youth over on +4536+ >south johnson street<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CONSTANT TULANE RESEARCH+ >in the howard tilton library provided the historical foundation for my theory of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CREATING NEW ENVIRONMENTS+ >via the alchemy of< +ANCIENT CREOLE RUINS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1960-1965+ >the architecture i constructed over the +BEFORE NEW ORLEANS+ >lake in covington and in gretna were the first stages of this work oeuvre. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1965-1970 >was the period of working with +COLOR-LIGHT-ENERGY+ >in the new orleans vieux carre and in the last 2 years out at tulane. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CLARENCE JOHN LAUGHLIN+ +JOHN & TANIA MESSINA+ +HILLARY DUCHEIN+ >were new orleans friends that were +INTENSE DISCUSSIONS+ >important confidants to my vision. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +L.S.U. ARCHITECTURE, 1965+ >john messina had been most talented as my student of lsu architecture in the mid sixties class i taught when professor jim hand became ill. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CREATIVE PHOTOGRAPHY+ >became a second profession for john's talent & he and tania flew all over +TANIA'S WRITING+ +JOHN'S PHOTOS+ +the world for time magazine+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >JOHN TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF MY TRAYLOR APARTMENT FOR >(1st national publication)< +"AMERICAN HOME MAGAZINE"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DEVOTED FRIENDS+ >he was also responsible for my invite +TO DESIGN THE JAZZ WORKSHOP+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >my final new orleans project in >the winter of 1968-1969< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH CREOLE EMPATHY+ (creole blood alchemy) >hillary duchein a child of the french +RADIANT-CREATIVE+ >mediterranian was empathetic to +the creole creative vision+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +I AM FOREVER GRATEFUL FOR+ +THEIR KINDNESS TO ME+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >john is now a distinguished professor (ARCHITECTURE DEPT.) >at the university of arizona and +ORGANIC LIVING+ >tania is the health oriented wife who creates a transcendent life for them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH CREATIVITY+ >hillary creates fabulous hats< >(LET THEM EAT HATS.COM) >for ladies in grand coteau. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NEW ORLEANS ALCHEMY LIVES+ (radiant/bright/creative) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Just uploaded to website an example of the surname Degruyverloin used not by Antoine but by one of his sisters or other relatives [I think]. Put it into the photos sections... so check there. R

Some more help-- August Richard Pradillo married Marie Louise DeGruy She was the child of : Louis Verloin DeGruy, Sr. and Marie Louise Mestayer 1953 obit of her father Louis Verloin DeGruy, Sr. lists her as Mrs. A. R. Pradioio Helen Kendrick

http://www.AmericanRevolution.org/clothing/frenchfashion.html

Cousins, Msr. Chapelin has helped me with a particularly difficult phrase in the passage I sent you previously... So it should read The Marquise in hot pink taffeta ----------- Dear Renée, "The Marquise in taffeta "Cuisse-de-nymphe-émue", embroidered with silver eglantine" "Cuisse-de-nymphe-émue" is the color "hotpink". It is the name of a rose. What a lovely name, textually "Thigh of excited nymph"... but impossible to translate ! Regards. Philippe Chapelin ________________ RHB a écrit : > Can you help me with a French phrase? > >>> "la Marquise en taffetas cuisse-de-nymphe-émue, broché d'églantine >>> d'argent" > > What is / cuisse-de-nymphe-émue/ ????? > > This comes from > http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1-PA257&dq=de+gruy&ei=6hgoTOqRLoKClAe1l62-Aw&ct=result&id=mEQHCpSD7gMC#v=onepage&q=de%20gruy&f=false > <http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1-PA257&dq=de+gruy&ei=6hgoTOqRLoKClAe1l62-Aw&ct=result&id=mEQHCpSD7gMC#v=onepage&q=de%20gruy&f=false> >>> and my grand-pere , Antoine, is in this passage. > > Merci > Renée > in St. Louis >> >>

Renee, What a find. When I read this I could imagine myself there. Wonderful translation. Thanks Helen K

Thanks Sarah, This is correct then: Colonel Francis Henry Forno b. 1798 d. 1866 married: Harriett Griffith (1st. wife) child: Colonel Charles Henry Forno b. abt Sept. 1820 d. 12 March 1878 (obit) married: Marie Zelina Verloin DeGruy Excerpt from obit: Commander Colonel Charles Henry Forno age 57 years 6 months Veteran of Mexican War Encampment No. 1 (Orleans Encampment Order of Hestaophs) Waterman Conclave No. 9 S. W. M. Washington Artilitery Residence: Carondelet and Toledano St. Daily Picayune Newspaper, New Orleans, La. March 13, 1878, p4, c4 Children: 1. Edward Louis Forno; b. abt Oct 1848 d. 31 May 1849 - 8 months 2. Lawrence Joseph Forno; b. abt 1846 d. 28 May 1918 (obit)     married: Amanda Louise De St. Amand DeGruy                  b. abt 1849 d. 15 Oct 1924 (obit)     Their children:      1. Lawrence Joseph Forno b. abt 1877 d. 27 Feb. 1921 (obit)      2. Frances Florestine Forno b.--   d. 14 May 1949 (obit)          married: Dr. Joseph T. Scott, Sr.      3. Eveline Forno b. --   d. -- Helen K   ________________________________ From: Sarah McRedmond <cosmicdenmother@hotmail.com> To: DeGruy List <degruy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 5:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Forno Hi Helen, Yes, Colonel Francis Henry Forno (b. 1798-d. 1866) and his first wife, Harriett Griffith were the parents of Charles Henry Forno (b. 1820-d. 1870), although I am not certain that Charles was a Colonel, just his father. Charles married Marie Zelina DeGruy. If you have any other questions, just let me know. Sarah > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:29:56 -0700 > From: lhkendri@bellsouth.net > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEGRUY] Forno > > Sarah-May 22, 2010 > wrote Henry Forno (father-in-law of Marie Zelina DeGruy) > to get my info correct- > Henry Forno was the father of Col. Charles Henry Forno who married Marie Zelina Verloin DeGruy. Correct? > Thanks for the info. > Helen K > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+VAUDREUIL-KELEREC PARTY+ >february 23, 1753< ^^^^^^^^^^^ >as described in the hubert-robert >+"MERVEILLEUSE"+< ^^^^^^^^ +HISTORY OF FRENCH LOUISIANA+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >provokes some thoughts< (thanks for the find renee) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) VAUDREUIL WAS KNOWN FOR >HIS CEREMONIAL PARTIES< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH TASTE FOR FESTIVITY+ >(orchestra & fireworks in the jungle >the governor's hair dresser etc.< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VAUDREUIL CHATEAU HOTEL+ >you may remember marianne and i stayed in his loire valley home >a few years back< 2) ANTOINE'S EARLY HOME REF: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >lord of mesnil fouchard was replaced later by lord of magny fouchard. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3) BELERON WINE IS PUZZLING >beleron on the internet refers to.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A) a flavor like chocolate... or B) a type of polish ham or sausage ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (IT MUST BE A WINE FLAVOR) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4) 1753 DATE REMINDS US THAT PARLANGE PLANTATION >had just been completed< >in about 1750, 5) >de LERY AND MARIGNY de MANDEVILLE FEATURE IN THE VERLOIN deGRUY HISTORY ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >especially via the foucher/de bore +BERNARD de MARIGNY+ (bore favorite nephew) >plantation family connection< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DELERY-CHAUVIN+ >delery had nearby plantation at the +TCHOUPITOULAS+ (st. charles parish/burnt canes) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MARY PLANTATION+ >some of us viewed & photographed the other delery (mary) plantation on our tour across the river >a few years back<. 6) +MANON de LIVAUDAIS+ >also had a degruy connection via the foucher de circe/de bore families. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 7) +de LA LANDE de ALCOURT+ had a cavaroc/roy connection later >and may have had a degruy link< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (>many champagne family/place names end in court like +BOSSANCOURT+) 8) +COLOR CODED NOBILITY+ >there is an obvious color code in this velvet & saten finery +VAUDREUIL IN RED+ +KELEREC IN BLUE+ +GRUY IN GREEN+ ^^^^^^^^^^ >the keeper of the forests< +THE GRUYERE+ ^^^^^^^^ >+ALWAYS WORE GREEN+< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SYNCHRONICITY+ >was it genetic memory that caused green to be my favorite color as >a young boy in baton rouge< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >SKEPTICS ALWAYS SAY NO< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

WONDERFUL! Bob ________________________________ From: Degruy List Administrator <listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> To: GEN DEGRUY Mailing list at Rootsweb <degruy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 12:06:57 PM Subject: [DEGRUY] Long - excerpt from French book using Google translation Hello Cousins, I am a happy camper. I’ve been having more fun this morning than I have with genealogy in quite some time. After so much tedious research in books of all sorts, I have inadvertently stumbled on [and I do mean stumble since I can’t even remember what I was searching for when this popped up] a source that gives a glimpse into one aspect of the life of our Antoine than we have seldom, if ever, had before – his personal social life. You may recall that I have previously entered on our website excerpts from the book entitled Jean-Bernard Bossu's “Travels in the Interior of North America,” translated and edited by Seymour Feiler. In that book we had a quite personal, albeit brief, glimpse into Antoine’s life at Fort de Chartres and Kaskaskia. Well now, unexpectedly, I’ve discovered yet another glimpse into Antoine’s life – this time into his social life. This comes from a book in French entitled “L’Histoire Merveilleuse de La Louisiane Française [Chronique des XVII et XVIII Siècles et de la Cession aux Etats-Unis,”] written in 1941 by Régine Hubert-Robert. You can access this for yourself in its entirety at Google books. http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1PA257&dq=de+gruy&ei=6hgoTOqRLoKClAe1l62Aw&ct=result&id=mEQHCpSD7gMC#v=onepage&q=de%20gruy&f=false <http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1PA257&dq=de+gruy&ei=6hgoTOqRLoKClAe1l62Aw&ct=result&id=mEQHCpSD7gMC#v=onepage&q=de%20gruy&f=false> Following you will find very inexpert translation of a few passages, but probably sufficient enough to give you an idea of the contents. For those of you with a better background in French than I, if you will contact me off list, I can send you the actual French wording complete with accent marks, which the Rootsweb list cannot accommodate. Some of you ‘out there’ might like to play with the translation for yourselves so that you create a better version of the French text. Once we have the optimal translation, we can add it to our website along with the Bossu work. Note that in the following excerpt there are several French expressions that I cannot find even in my thick Harrap’s French Dictionary; so I suspect they are “dated” phrases which probably only a French scholar might be able to interpret... So be patient with me as you read the excerpt, partially a Google translation: [To set the stage: the following can be found in the 36th chapter: XXXVI. 1753-56. Kerlerec, Gouverneur (1753-65). Premier sucre. Révolte Ile-aux-Chats. Guerre anglaise. Ft. Ascension sur Ohio. Arrivée des I«TM Acadiens 257] The passage begins by describing Le Marquis Rigaud Cavaignol de Vaudreuil as “a genial nobleman, whose family is well placed at Versailles” and who [“Tout de suite, il organise autour de lui une Cour en miniature,"] "immediately, organized around himself "[and this is rather fascinating] "a miniature Court." That is important to understand in light of the section which mentions our own 5th Great Grandfather, Antoine. Here goes: [again, the accent marks are probably going to have messed up the text a bit. If we ever get a more ‘professional’ translation, I’ll put it on the website which can handle accent marks] *** “Monsieur Louis Billouart de Kerlerec, Captain of the Royal Navy, the new Governor, is an upright Breton who made his fortune, but is retiring after 25 years of service at sea. On Feb. 23, 1753, he arrived with his wife and her sister, Lady du Blot. Before leaving, the Marquis de Vaudreuil invited the family to an enchanting farewell dinner, and reception, at the Government House. About a hundred pretty women, with sparkled cheeks and baskets filled with silk flowers, their décolleté softened by their hair, and many gentlemen dressed in gored and boned wigs, sparkling in all their outfits, were found in the perfumed spring evening. The Marquis was in a corn poppy red outfit, laced with gold, and cut velvet jacket; the Marquise in exciting thigh taffetas embroidered with silver eglantine; Jean-Baptiste la Pierre, his hairdresser, was overdone. Joseph de Pontalba, in royal blue outfit cuffs and facings, offered to his wife, Marguerite Broutin, the most beautiful necklace that Duval-Chevreuil, the goldsmith’s hands could make; Manon de Belle-Isle, blue as the starry night in her sequins; François de Caüe, dressed by Belhomme, the former Court tailor, in an outfit of cherry silk enameled buttons on crimson velvet breeches nearly eclipsed his wife, who was crowned, as a hidden tree nymph, with jasmin. Hélène de la Morinière, wearing the royal bird [a crest? some kind of insignia?] wrapped in pale gold; the height of Manon de Livaudais disappears between petticoats of dove-colored silk. Antoine de Gruy, Lord of Mesnil-Souchard, is in green velvet with a gold vest; Jacques le Vassore de Bonneterre, who accompanied Manon de la Vergue, was bright as a buttercup in dawn colored silk; Catherine de Gourdon is encased in a daffodil satin, embroidered with purple. [other attendees are described, but I won’t include here] …The feast, accompanied by an orchestra playing Gluck, is beautiful The long tables are arranged between the columns encased with greenery, on which garlands of roses and myrtle are festooned. The empty cups are filled with old Baléron wine and there are cascades of carefree laughter. [other guests who arrive are described: including Joseph de Favrot, M. de la Chaise, M. de la Lande d’Alcourt, de la Fresniere, de Lery, dur Pasquier, Montbrunde la Souderaye, de la Pommeraye, de Chalmette, Philippe de Marigny de Mandeville….. etc] The minuets and the gavottes began. The sweet sounds fly through the windows, leaking into the soft evening, to dissolve into floating harmonies, sounds like silent lips. On the square, two fountains of wine, without stopping, flow to the populace; large kettles of stew, chicken and sauce, are served in the Round The clock strikes eleven. The Marquis de Vaudreuil and Madame de Kerlerec, [fireworks are described] at a hundred paces of fireworks, where the [fireworks] dragon is already out of the coils, two doves are dropped, which simultaneously fire both ends In the languid night, swaying violins and harps, a fireworks crackling fuse, the beautiful city of New Orleans is completely silent before this beautiful spectacle. Tonight, we treat people as handfuls of sparks, to lighten the sky.” * * * Enough for now…. But isn’t that fabulous to give us a glimpse of Antoine’s social life? It’s like reading the Society section of The Times Picayune…..only in the 1700’s! Now can you see why I’m such “a happy camper” today !!!? [Oops forgot… the the passage above, did it occur to you to ask: so where is Marie Therese Aufrere? Back at home in Kaskaskia or near Fort de Chartes….? Taking care of the kids while Antoine cavorts? Is he going to be in trouble when he gets back to the wilderness? Or will he bring her something pretty from the city to placate her for all that she has missed…. We can only wonder!] This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen, Yes, Colonel Francis Henry Forno (b. 1798-d. 1866) and his first wife, Harriett Griffith were the parents of Charles Henry Forno (b. 1820-d. 1870), although I am not certain that Charles was a Colonel, just his father. Charles married Marie Zelina DeGruy. If you have any other questions, just let me know. Sarah > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:29:56 -0700 > From: lhkendri@bellsouth.net > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEGRUY] Forno > > Sarah-May 22, 2010 > wrote Henry Forno (father-in-law of Marie Zelina DeGruy) > to get my info correct- > Henry Forno was the father of Col. Charles Henry Forno who married Marie Zelina Verloin DeGruy. Correct? > Thanks for the info. > Helen K > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

+NOSTRADAMUS TAUGHT THE LAST+ >another "star" of our history< +COUNT OF GRUYERE HOW TO "SEE"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >reality is more then what< >we see at first glance< ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >SUPER-REALITY = (surreality) +LIFE-ART INTERFACE+ (synchronicity) ^^^^^^^^ +LIFE CAN BE (IS) FASCINATING+ >two examples of how life and art can interface to form a super-real event +IN ONE'S DAILY EXISTENCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SUPER-REAL EVENT #1+ (life as art interface) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >two nights ago marianne & i were at a wonderful candle lit dinner party. +CONVERSATUON+ >touched on every topic found in the >daily liteny of horror tragedies<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GULF-COAST OIL NIGHTMARE+ >"them vs us" mentality is dominent as people sieze political blame views. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BASIC CAUSE OVER>LOOKED<+ >(no one suggests oil as fuel is nothing short of shear +HEAD IN THE SAND+ >blind madness<) ^^^^^^^^^ +MUSLEM TERRORESTS+ >"them vs us" mentality is dominent as hatred of mideasterners is expressed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +UNTIL I SAW A RADIANT CHANCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CHRISTIANS VS. MUSLEMS+ >i pointed out that our degruy ancestors may very well be blamed for this >(SYMPLIFICATION< >TO MAKE A POINT)< >centuries old religious hate. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +AS THEY WERE FIRST OVER+ >100 gruyere knights< >first crusade< +THE WALL AT JERUSALEM+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >no one at the dinner table had any consideration of >us< trying to convert >them< to our way >of religious thinking<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE TOPIC WAS DROPPED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SUPER-REAL EVENT #2+ (life as art interface) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >recently for this forum i have explained the importance of architectural volume +RADIANT VORTEX+ >especially in cones, pyramids, spheres to establish a radiant vortex that +BIOTRONIC ENERGY+ >effects the health of humans< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +A SIGN IN THE SKY+ >yesterday marianne and i are enjoying the lajolla tennis tournement when a plane flys over pulling a giant sign. >+"VORTEX"+< >it stated which startled me until i came to realise it advertised a tennis shoe. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (COGNESCENTI KNEW BETTER) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CLARENCE JOHN LAUGHLIN+ >and my dear brother< +RANDOLPH JOSEPH RAY JR.+ >are two former earth-men who would have enjoyed those two super-real (synchronistic) +EVENTS VERY MUCH+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DREAMS WERE ALSO IMPORTANT+ (dream/vision synergy) +TO THEIR DAILY LIFE DRAMA+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >both worked dreams into their artistic >production with very good results< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CLARENCE W/ PHOTOGRAPHS+ (surrealistic collage) >(hnoc friends : did he keep a journal ?) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RANDOLPH W/ HIS JOURNAL+ (and his conversation) >(yes, conversation can be an art form and ranny was a master of that art.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >clarence was talented at this too >insisting on words w/ his pictures< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ESPECIALLY IN HIS EVENING SALON+ >when clarence wearing a fresh cuban shirt would show his photos under +VIEUX CARRE-1967-69+ >a floor lamp in his darkened attic pontalba abode w/ great drama. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MERGER OF LIFE AND ART+ >my friends john & tania messina and hillary duchein would gather w/ me +FASCINATING-SURREALITY+ >in a cooled down clarence attic w/ >its thousands of french books to +ABSORB NOLA MAGIC+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH MAGIC UNIVERSE+ >clarence fueled by our great tradition +NOSTRADAMUS-BAUDELAIRE-BRETON+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >through the eyes of the wizards of french transcendental vision would illustrate a reality far superior to newspapers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >THE REALITY I WAS FAMILIAR W/ VIA THE VISION OF FRENCH (sainted) +GRANDMOTHERS+ ^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Sarah-May 22, 2010 wrote Henry Forno (father-in-law of Marie Zelina DeGruy) to get my info correct- Henry Forno was the father of Col. Charles Henry Forno who married Marie Zelina Verloin DeGruy. Correct? Thanks for the info. Helen K

Hello Cousins, I am a happy camper. I’ve been having more fun this morning than I have with genealogy in quite some time. After so much tedious research in books of all sorts, I have inadvertently stumbled on [and I do mean stumble since I can’t even remember what I was searching for when this popped up] a source that gives a glimpse into one aspect of the life of our Antoine than we have seldom, if ever, had before – his personal social life. You may recall that I have previously entered on our website excerpts from the book entitled Jean-Bernard Bossu's “Travels in the Interior of North America,” translated and edited by Seymour Feiler. In that book we had a quite personal, albeit brief, glimpse into Antoine’s life at Fort de Chartres and Kaskaskia. Well now, unexpectedly, I’ve discovered yet another glimpse into Antoine’s life – this time into his social life. This comes from a book in French entitled “L’Histoire Merveilleuse de La Louisiane Française [Chronique des XVII et XVIII Siècles et de la Cession aux Etats-Unis,”] written in 1941 by Régine Hubert-Robert. You can access this for yourself in its entirety at Google books. http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1PA257&dq=de+gruy&ei=6hgoTOqRLoKClAe1l62Aw&ct=result&id=mEQHCpSD7gMC#v=onepage&q=de%20gruy&f=false <http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1PA257&dq=de+gruy&ei=6hgoTOqRLoKClAe1l62Aw&ct=result&id=mEQHCpSD7gMC#v=onepage&q=de%20gruy&f=false> Following you will find very inexpert translation of a few passages, but probably sufficient enough to give you an idea of the contents. For those of you with a better background in French than I, if you will contact me off list, I can send you the actual French wording complete with accent marks, which the Rootsweb list cannot accommodate. Some of you ‘out there’ might like to play with the translation for yourselves so that you create a better version of the French text. Once we have the optimal translation, we can add it to our website along with the Bossu work. Note that in the following excerpt there are several French expressions that I cannot find even in my thick Harrap’s French Dictionary; so I suspect they are “dated” phrases which probably only a French scholar might be able to interpret... So be patient with me as you read the excerpt, partially a Google translation: [To set the stage: the following can be found in the 36th chapter: XXXVI. 1753-56. Kerlerec, Gouverneur (1753-65). Premier sucre. Révolte Ile-aux-Chats. Guerre anglaise. Ft. Ascension sur Ohio. Arrivée des I«TM Acadiens 257] The passage begins by describing Le Marquis Rigaud Cavaignol de Vaudreuil as “a genial nobleman, whose family is well placed at Versailles” and who [“Tout de suite, il organise autour de lui une Cour en miniature,"] "immediately, organized around himself "[and this is rather fascinating] "a miniature Court." That is important to understand in light of the section which mentions our own 5th Great Grandfather, Antoine. Here goes: [again, the accent marks are probably going to have messed up the text a bit. If we ever get a more ‘professional’ translation, I’ll put it on the website which can handle accent marks] *** “Monsieur Louis Billouart de Kerlerec, Captain of the Royal Navy, the new Governor, is an upright Breton who made his fortune, but is retiring after 25 years of service at sea. On Feb. 23, 1753, he arrived with his wife and her sister, Lady du Blot. Before leaving, the Marquis de Vaudreuil invited the family to an enchanting farewell dinner, and reception, at the Government House. About a hundred pretty women, with sparkled cheeks and baskets filled with silk flowers, their décolleté softened by their hair, and many gentlemen dressed in gored and boned wigs, sparkling in all their outfits, were found in the perfumed spring evening. The Marquis was in a corn poppy red outfit, laced with gold, and cut velvet jacket; the Marquise in exciting thigh taffetas embroidered with silver eglantine; Jean-Baptiste la Pierre, his hairdresser, was overdone. Joseph de Pontalba, in royal blue outfit cuffs and facings, offered to his wife, Marguerite Broutin, the most beautiful necklace that Duval-Chevreuil, the goldsmith’s hands could make; Manon de Belle-Isle, blue as the starry night in her sequins; François de Caüe, dressed by Belhomme, the former Court tailor, in an outfit of cherry silk enameled buttons on crimson velvet breeches nearly eclipsed his wife, who was crowned, as a hidden tree nymph, with jasmin. Hélène de la Morinière, wearing the royal bird [a crest? some kind of insignia?] wrapped in pale gold; the height of Manon de Livaudais disappears between petticoats of dove-colored silk. Antoine de Gruy, Lord of Mesnil-Souchard, is in green velvet with a gold vest; Jacques le Vassore de Bonneterre, who accompanied Manon de la Vergue, was bright as a buttercup in dawn colored silk; Catherine de Gourdon is encased in a daffodil satin, embroidered with purple. [other attendees are described, but I won’t include here] …The feast, accompanied by an orchestra playing Gluck, is beautiful The long tables are arranged between the columns encased with greenery, on which garlands of roses and myrtle are festooned. The empty cups are filled with old Baléron wine and there are cascades of carefree laughter. [other guests who arrive are described: including Joseph de Favrot, M. de la Chaise, M. de la Lande d’Alcourt, de la Fresniere, de Lery, dur Pasquier, Montbrunde la Souderaye, de la Pommeraye, de Chalmette, Philippe de Marigny de Mandeville….. etc] The minuets and the gavottes began. The sweet sounds fly through the windows, leaking into the soft evening, to dissolve into floating harmonies, sounds like silent lips. On the square, two fountains of wine, without stopping, flow to the populace; large kettles of stew, chicken and sauce, are served in the Round The clock strikes eleven. The Marquis de Vaudreuil and Madame de Kerlerec, [fireworks are described] at a hundred paces of fireworks, where the [fireworks] dragon is already out of the coils, two doves are dropped, which simultaneously fire both ends In the languid night, swaying violins and harps, a fireworks crackling fuse, the beautiful city of New Orleans is completely silent before this beautiful spectacle. Tonight, we treat people as handfuls of sparks, to lighten the sky.” * * * Enough for now…. But isn’t that fabulous to give us a glimpse of Antoine’s social life? It’s like reading the Society section of The Times Picayune…..only in the 1700’s! Now can you see why I’m such “a happy camper” today !!!? [Oops forgot… the the passage above, did it occur to you to ask: so where is Marie Therese Aufrere? Back at home in Kaskaskia or near Fort de Chartes….? Taking care of the kids while Antoine cavorts? Is he going to be in trouble when he gets back to the wilderness? Or will he bring her something pretty from the city to placate her for all that she has missed…. We can only wonder!]

The last I live in N.O. was the 70s so I don't know if it's been proposed. The good news is that the area was 'saved' from having the 'cold storage' facility shoe-horned in to that historic neighborhood. The cold storage facility is being added to the docks upriver, I believe at Henry Clay facility. As may have been pointed out, every time we see the White House on the news, we are looking at Latrobe's designs, for both the south (rounded) and north (squared) porticos, even though those designs were not incorporated until after Latrobe's death. A memorial of some part would be fitting, and what better place than where his home had stood, and where his wife, as we know from her letters, could see the St. Louis Cathedral just upriver, and presumably a good many of Latrobe's other projects. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:07 PM To: GEN DEGRUY Mailing list at Rootsweb Subject: [DEGRUY] The site would be a wonderful location for a riverfront park What a wonderful idea! Has anyone ever proposed this as a possibility???? Fernin Eaton wrote: > Unfortunately the City does not honor Latrobe with a monument there. The site would be a wonderful location for a riverfront park. An architect could easily follow the rich description which Mrs. Latrobe gave in her wonderful letter home, describing the house, gardens, gallery, etc. > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+LATROBES IN NEW ORLEANS+ >yes, the latrobes should certainly be more recognised in new orleans. +PLAQUES VERY DESIRABLE+ (very common in london) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FATHER OF AMERICAN ARCHITECTURE+ >actually had a substantial impact in the history of new orleans architecture. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >along with his son his oeuvre in the crescent city included. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) LIGHTHOUSE FOR THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) +CENTRAL TOWER OF THE+ +ST. LOUIS CATHEDRAL+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3) +ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE+ +FRENCH CABILDO FACADE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4) +LARGE CUSTOM HOUSE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5) +VINCENT NOLTE HOUSE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 6) +UNITED STATES MINT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 7) +WATER WORKS & BUILDING+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 8) +LOUISIANA STATE BANK+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 9) +ORIGINAL CHARITY HOSPITAL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 10) +QUADROON BALLROOM+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(synchronistically my tulane classmate of 1952 charles w. fox, an exellent draughtsman, was a descendent of bank builder, benjamin fox). +LATROBE SPREAD THE NEW+ +FEDERAL STYLE DESIGN+ >hard red brick was introduced into its first use in new orleans. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(latrobe cemetaries design to be covered in another essay) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LATROBE HAD DESIGNED THE FIRST+ >the bank of pennsylvania< +AMEICAN GREEK REVIVAL BUILDING+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MASONIC WASHINGTON+ >latrobe had earned much credit in washington for his work on the +WASH. MONUMENT+ >national capitol & white house. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ALSO +PHILADELPHIA WATER WORKS+ (his entree to new orleans) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BALTIMORE CATHOLIC CATHEDRAL+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LATROBE WANTED TO RETAIN+ >new orleans atmosphere< +FRENCH CREOLE AMBIENCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >latrobe was very enamored of the +1817-1820+ >appearance of new orleans from the mississippi river on arrival. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HE HAD STUDIED IN FRANCE+ >in addition to our degruy sugar mill he liked the light colored plaster +FRANCOPHILE+ >used on creole architecture to reflect the intense sunlight ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FULTAN'S STEAMBOAT DID MUCH+ >cotton and sugar shipment< +FOR THE SOUTHERN ECONOMY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >tis a pity the companies finances were+ >a loss for latrobe's investments< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DELTA QUEEN IS NO MORE+ >marianne and i had one of the last steamboat voyages up to memphis from new orleans two years ago. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RAILROAD CONSTRUCTION+ >both john ray and charles cavaroc were allied in southern railroad expansion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SYNCHRONISTICALLY+ >my great grandfather charles cavaroc retained other great grandfather john +RAY-CAVAROC BUSINESS+ +DEALINGS IN 19TH C.+ >ray to represent him legally in his appeal w/ the u.s. government +for post civil war reparation+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LITTLE DID THEY REALISE THEIR+ >anglo-french genetics< +BLOOD WOULD MERGE LATER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >ray-degruy merger was the+ +ORIGINAL INTEGRATION+ >perhaps even in france earlier< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene degruy/cavaroc/staigg/ray san diego, california

Man, that is great. Please send me what you have. I am at work today from 230 pm - 6 am, a double that is why I cc myself. I have access to the net at work for a ltd. time.   Thanks.  God Bless, Lou DeGruy III ________________________________ From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> To: degruy@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 1:02:11 AM Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Lou - I can help a little with the information I have. Lucien Floristien Degruy (1/8/1822 - 5/15/1894) was the son of Pierre Verloin DeGruy and Francoise Azelie St. Amant.  He married Adelina Theresa Price on 1/7/1842 and had at least one child, Florestine DeGruy.  It is possible that he had more, but birth and baptismal records for the 1830s through 1860s are still incomplete.  I do not think he is an immediate ancestor of yours, though it is likely that he is a cousin of one of your ancestors. My records show that Lucien Horace DeGruy was the son of Antoine Onesime DeGruy (abt. 1810-10/16/1888) and Louise Evaline Cauvin (abt. 1815 - 1/18/1893).  I am not sure how Antoine Onesime was related to the rest of the DeGruy family. Lucien Horace DeGruy had at least five siblings.  If you wish, I can send you a .pdf file of the descendants of Antoine Onesime. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis De Gruy Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:41 AM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite I am a babe lost in cyberspace and ancestor tracing. Barbara Whitmeyer DeGruy was my Grandmother. I did not know that my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. had a middle name of Verloin. We always called him "Pappa". I know there was a Louis V. DeGruy that owned a jewelry store in Metairie. I did not know him or his family just of them. My Grandmother died when I was a small young-un. I remember my Grandad very well. I learned his Dad was Lucien Horace DeGruy and his Mom was Henrietta  Louis Harvey. In fact, Henrietta's picture  is on the main wall of the  Destrehan Plantation.  I knew some of my Grandad's brothers, Edgar, Joe, Same, Horace, and Lucien. I think he had a sis or 2, but I don't know for sure. I did not know Lucien as he was killed in the Galveston, TX during the hurricane of 1906.   There is a Lt. L. F. (Lucien Florentine) DeGruy, CSA, that was in the LA Militia during the Civil War. I don't know if that is my Grandad's Grandad or the relationship. Can anyone help me fill in the blanks from Lt. L. F. DeGruy to my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. or Louis Verloin DeGruy. I spoke with my Dad's 2 remaining sisters and they could not remember anymore than what we have. Thanks for everyone's help in researching our roots.  God Bless, Lou DeGruy III ________________________________ From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> To: degruy@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Will do. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" section by the photo on the site when you can? If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. Thanks R Wally Schneidau wrote: > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on 2/5/1890 > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site as > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > Wally Schneidau >  This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. 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Since these are my own GGG Grandparents, I am most interested in anything we can find out about them and their descendants! R Wally Schneidau wrote: > Pierre Verloin DeGruy and Francoise Azelie St. Amant. >

Thanks.  God Bless, Lou DeGruy III ________________________________ From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> To: degruy@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 10:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Lou - The Orleans Parish Birth Certificate records on the Orleans Parish GenWeb site shows her parents as David Withmeyer and Josephine Brasholz. However, It is interesting to note that there are 4 siblings and on one of them the mother is listed as Josephine Hanle. Here is the hyperlink: http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/vitals/births/index/nobiwiwn.txt The marriage records on the site shows that David Withmeyer, age 26, married Josephine Brasholz, age 19, on 6/14/1888 as documented in Vol. 17, p. 736, of the Orleans Parish Marriage Certificate records. Neither are listed as being born in New Orleans, though before 1870 the records show that people did not regularly register births with the public records (and not always afterwards). Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sisdegree@cox.net Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:13 AM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite Can anyone set me straight on Barbara's mother? I have her parents as Dave Withmayer and Loretta Williamson and in her obituary, the mother is listed as Josephine Halte. Sylvia ---- Louis De Gruy <louisdegruy3rd@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I am a babe lost in cyberspace and ancestor tracing. Barbara Whitmeyer DeGruy was my Grandmother. I did not know that my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. had a middle name of Verloin. We always called him "Pappa". I know there was a Louis V. DeGruy that owned a jewelry store in Metairie. I did not know him or his family just of them. My Grandmother died when I was a small young-un. I remember my Grandad very well. I learned his Dad was Lucien Horace DeGruy and his Mom was Henrietta  Louis Harvey. In fact, Henrietta's picture  is on the main wall of the  Destrehan Plantation.  I knew some of my Grandad's brothers, Edgar, Joe, Same, Horace, and Lucien. I think he had a sis or 2, but I don't know for sure. I did not know Lucien as he was killed in the Galveston, TX during the hurricane of 1906.   > > There is a Lt. L. F. (Lucien Florentine) DeGruy, CSA, that was in the LA Militia during the Civil War. I don't know if that is my Grandad's Grandad or the relationship. Can anyone help me fill in the blanks from Lt. L. F. DeGruy to my Grandad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. or Louis Verloin DeGruy. I spoke with my Dad's 2 remaining sisters and they could not remember anymore than what we have. > > Thanks for everyone's help in researching our roots. >  God Bless, > > Lou DeGruy III > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Wally Schneidau <slideaus@bellsouth.net> > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:05:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite > > Will do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Degruy List Administrator > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:59 PM > To: degruy@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Barbara DeGruy gravesite > > Hey, Wally.... thanks. Would you put these comments in the "Reply" > section by the photo on the site when you can? > If that's a problem, let me know and I'll do it for you. > Thanks > R > > Wally Schneidau wrote: > > Actually, this is probably Barbara Withmeyer, wife of Louis Verloin Degruy > > (1888-1969), son of Lucien Horace Degruy and Henrietta Louise Harvey. > > > > Her birth is shown on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site as on > 2/5/1890 > > as documented in Orleans Parish Birth Certificates, Vol. 102, p. 372. > > > > This was one of the names recently made available to us from the chart > > prepared by Aida Degruy and recently loaded on the DeGruy Family Web site > as > > Dufouchar de Gruy Family Tree. > > > > Wally Schneidau > >  > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message