-----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:51 AM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Cc: eamcray@webtv.net Subject: >FRENCH MEN & FRENCH WAYS IN THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY/1969 edited by john francis mcdermott AUFREE-PERRY SHIPPING activity that may have had privateering / SAINT TAMMANY PARISH history valuable book / judge steve ellis DAGOBERT MEROVINGIAN blood clever legal maneuvers /aufrere- perry cause their court invitation +COLONIAL SUPERIOR COUNCIL+ > "FRENCH MEN AND FRENCH WAYS IN THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY" >univ. of illinois press, 1969< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >edited by john francis macdermott was retrieved from storage and +AN EARLY FAVORITE+ >provided saucier data and also... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ANTOINE AUFRERE & GERARD PER(R)Y+ >information causing me to reread DEGRUY ROOTSWEB ARCHIVE JAN. 13th & OCT. 4th, 2007 >my previous messages about those ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TWO VITAL HISTORICAL PERSONA+ so important to our heritage ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE SUPEROR COUNCIL+ +IN COLONIAL LOUISIANA+ by james d. hardy, jr ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is an essay in the macdermott book that outlines how antoine aufrere and gerard +A.J.B.V. deGRUY INLAWS+ >perry his son in law were hired to act +EXPERIENCED LITIGENTS+ >in behalf of a mrs amyault's litigation +SUPERIOR COUNCIL, 1744+ >re. the estate of r. d'ausseville. (her deceased husband) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +O V E R V I E W+ >aufrere and perry were not lawyers but the year before had avoided losing many assets by transferring the +READ MY MESSAGES+ >dowry of francoise aufrere >back to the aufrere family<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(I DID NOT REALISE THIS COLLUSION >a shrewd legal maneuver< >WHEN I WROTE ABOUT THIS EARLIER<) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +AUFRERE-PERRY WEALTH+ >both aufrere and perry owned ships +SHADES OF LAFITTE, LATER+ >& warehouses for transatlantic trade but unlike lafitte were legal in their >international trade operation<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SPANISH LOSSES+ >apparently gerard perry suffered some serious losses trading in spain that >caused a suit by m. voisin (please +FRANCE-NOLA LINK+ >note) and others for nola losses ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >gerard perry described that he never +LEGAL SEPERATION BUT+ >physically seperated from francoise +NOT PHYSICAL+ >aufrere but he did fail to build the first capuchin school... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THAT FATHER DAGOBERT HEADED+ >like perry, dagobert is a name< >vital to our french history< (merovingian blood) +IN NEW ORLEANS IN 1751+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY MARRIED INTO +marie therese aufrere+ +THIS FAMILY SOON AFTERWARD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >in his early 20s, the perry link back home and the aufrere wealth >were assets to this event<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"SAINT TAMMANY PARISH"+ +l'AUTRE COTE du LAC+ (other side of the lake) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +INTERNET AVAILABLE HISTORY+ >by my old friend, judge steve ellis, is a very well researched history of the north shore that describes the... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAINT TAMMANY "PLANTATION"+ >of the aufrere/perry amalgamated and allied business interest family with >some factors to reflect on<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) +WAS THIS LOCATION MADE TO+ (illicit goods import) +HIDE THEIR SHIP ACTIVITY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) +WAS THIS THE FIRST DEGRUY+ (madisonviille region) +RELATED ST. TAMMANY LOCUS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >privateering was a semi-acceptable means of income in colonial nola. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MANY DEGRUY RELATED PEOPLE+ >WERE NOT< +ABOVE THIS 18TH C. ACTIVITY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?>was aufrere/perry the first<? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

I can't really help you, Scott, other than to tell you that I have three relatives all who have done the testing through FTDNA [http://www.familytreedna.com/Default.aspx?c=1] Plus we have one Degruy member who has done the testing and there is a Degruy page at FTDNA. I would contact Robin Daviet. I'm sure she could help you a lot better than I. Robin is a member of our list and the coordinator for our Degruy page. Since we've had only one DeGruy do the testing, there really isn't much going on. I do not know if any Degruys have done the testing on any of the other companies. http://www.familytreedna.com/project-join-request.aspx?group=DeGruy There are "sales".... and I think you can always get a better price if you go in through a "group" rather than individually. For example in 2009 we got this message - I'm including it even though I have no idea of what the prices might be. I do believe, however, that if you are going to do it, you should go ahead and do the full 67 markers Dear French Heritage DNA Project member, Family Tree DNA Company today announced a special offer that we want to tell you about. This offer is good only from June 9 through June 24, 2009. So time is very important. The following is the announcement from the company. "Last summer we offered a pricing special that was the most successful offering of its kind in our company's history. Many project administrators strongly supported our recruitment efforts and both their projects and our database grew significantly. This year we will offer an early summer special with an unparalleled promotional discount. Offer summary: . Y-DNA37+mtDNA for $119. (The regular project price is $248 -- a reduction of more than 50%!!) . The promotion will begin on June 9, 2009 and will end on June 24, 2009 . Kits ordered in this sale must be paid for by June 30, 2009 This is your new members' opportunity to skip past the Y-DNA12 and Y-DNA25 tests and get the best Y-DNA Genealogical test on the market in addition to an mtDNA test for an extremely reduced price! I should also mention that according to one of our competitors' method of counting markers our 37-marker test could also be called a "41-marker test" as we do test and report markers 464e, 464f, 464g, and DYS19b. Though we test them, it is very rare that individuals have results for these markers. Therefore, by our conservative counting method, our competitor's "33-marker test" is actually a "29-marker test." We mention this to make sure that you understand the difference between these tests and are able to compare "apples to apples." You can sign up for the test at https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=T86200&Group=FrenchHeritage Since it is a combination test and includes the male YDNA test, women will need to enlist a father, brother, male cousin, uncle, etc. to test. This offer is for new members only. It will make a fine gift for father's day. The total cost will be $123 ( $119 plus $4 shipping and handling), The mtDNA test is the HVR1 panel. If you have any questions please ask. With our best wishes, Doug Miller djmill@earthilink.net Scott Pelitire wrote: > Hello all: >

Hello all: Can anyone share some advice about DNA testing? I understand the differences between the maternal and paternal variations, but does a certain company offer more value or extra "features" concerning the results? I'm leaning toward the genographic project (from National Geographic), but the one offered by ancestry.com seems ok too. Any positive or negative input would be appreciated. Thanks! Scott

"SHIPS IN THE NIGHT" >little did i know during the decade that i lived and worked in covington's +SANSOUCI FOREST+ >that two of my closest friends there +GARIC (NIKKI) BARRANGER+ and +ROBIN LOBDELL BEEMAN+ >possessed ancestors who played vital roles in our history and/or were +FRENCH CREOLE COUSINS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ANTOINE BOUDOUSQUIE+ >robin's ancestor was involved in land sales w/ jean baptiste valentin degruy of the barataria plantation toward the end of the 18th century. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HE WAS ALSO THE KING'S PRINTER+ (the lobdells own some of his >original french documents<) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >later he owned a beautiful creole type st. charles parish plantation house "LES SOUVENIERS" (same as cavaroc house) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >that has been relocated and >preserved for posterity<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +deGRUYS & BOUDOUSQUIES HAD+ +MUCH COLONIAL INVOLVEMENT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(st. charles parish abstracts list five boudousquies and fourteen legal transactions in the 18-19 cent) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VILLENEUVE DISCOVERY+ >(while researching this i discovered two of our villeneuve family descendents +ROBERT & JEAN+ +de LA VILLENEUVE+ >as st. charles parish land owners) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(one can only wonder were degruys >and villeneuves "ships in the night") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRANCOIS SAUCIER+ and his son +DOCOTEAU SAUCIER+ >were very famous king's land surveyors +NEW ORLEANS, 18TH CENT+ >and ancestors of garic (nikki) barringer >in that docouteau's daughter +ARMENTINE SAUCIER+ married +FRANCOIS GARIC+ >grandson of the famous king's notary of the early eighteenth century nola. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GARIC-SAUCIER+ >marriage interfaces with our< +DEGRUY-BACHEMIN+ >family down in plaquemine parish where +JUNGLE PLANTATIONS+ >the famous king's land grant after the +1760's KING FRANCOIS XV+ >death of antoine j. b. valentin verlon degruy was next to saucier land. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GRANT SURVEYED BY SAUCIER+ +AND NOTARISED BY GARC+ (a common daily activity) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DEGRUY @ FRENCH COURT+ >note : this land grant reminds us of the long degruy history at varsailles that +KNIGHTS OF ST. LOUIS+ >goes back to king/saint louis and +KNIGHTS TEMPLARS+ >melds w/ the crusades history<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >BOBE DESCLOSEAU, ANTOINE'S & SAUCIERS GREAT FRIEND (illinois ordinateur) +PROBABLY INTERCEEDED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >descloseau reported saucier's death to the french government and +PROBABLY ANTOINES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >NOAILLES AND MONBERAUD, HIS (noailles his commander) 1738 SHIP COMRADS, ALSO MAY >military versailles weight< +HAVE INTERCEEDED IN 1759+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAUCIER TALENTED, BUT...+ >note: vaudreuil the governor tried very hard to secure promotion for the elder saucier but alas he had +NO INFLUENCE AT COURT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +even though fort chartres+ >design and construction< + WAS CLEARLY HIS BABY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it is significant to us that saucier, pere, left the education of his son, jean, +TO OUR OWN DESTREHAN+ (royal treasurer, nola) +WHO SENT HIM TO PARIS+ >he never saw his father alive, again<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VAUDREUIL POLITICS+ >vaudreuil was not entirely fair to the >elder saucier, politically, but he +SELF MADE MAN+ >recieved a kind letter from >saucier when he retired<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SAUCIER ONLY FINALLY RECIEVED+ >the british thought his fort >the best in n. america< +ONE HALF OF HIS PROMOTION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ROY-SAUCIER LINK TO +deGRUY & CAVAROC+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it is relevent to both degruy & cavaroc >history that julien roy moved his +1775-1780+ >family from mobile to illinois< >to found early st.louis family< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JULIEN ROY (sr.) & MARIE BARBIE+ (francois sauciers early fort) +SAUCIER were parents IN MOBILE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

The Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records, Vol. 10, p. 436, shows that Isabelle Amenaide Verloin DeGruy was born August 22, 1811, to Thomas Antoine Fouchard DeGruy and Josephine Marie Guerin. The same source, at Vol. 16, p. 394, shows the interment record for this death. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LESTER KENDRICK Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:38 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEGRUY] DeGruy Obit 1824-Board of Health-Report of Interments-August 31 Miss. A. Verlain, 13, resident, yellow fever Louisiana Courier Newspaper, New Orleans, La. September 2, 1824, p1, c4 Amenaide DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy Died August 31, 1824, age 13 Child of: (Thomas) Antoine DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy and (Marie) Josephine Stephanie Guerin Molle' Helen Kendrick This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My notes agree with yours as I have no Antoine Victor Verloin DeGruy and Laure Harang as parents. I show that Thomas Anthime Verloin DeGruy and Marie Laure Harang who were married March 3, 1845, in St. Louis Cathedral were his parents. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LESTER KENDRICK Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:34 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEGRUY] De Gruy Obit - Question at end 1852-Decede luer, a deux heures et demie de l'sapres midi a l'age de deux ans et quatre mois, Anthime Verloin De Gruy, fils de Anthime Verloin De Gruy et de Marie Laure Harang. Les amis et connaissances des deux families sout pres d'assister a l'enterrement qui aurs lieu aujourd'hut, a quatre heures et demie de l'apres-midi. Son corps est expose chez son pere, rue des Ramparts, entre Hopital et Quartier. Arthime Verloinn DeGruy, Died May 12, 1852, 2 years 4 months [Joseph Verloin DeGruy] L'Abeille De La Noubelle-Orleans; New Orleans Bee Newspaper May 12, 1852, p1, c5 Helen Kendrick Sent the English version previously Question: Is he the child of Thomas Anthime Verloin DeGruy and Josephine Laure Harang (my notes) or Antoine Victor Verloin DeGruy and Laure Hanarg  ??? This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+"BRONZE JOHN" IN THE HEAT+ >banana bunch infections< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it is shocking to read that in summer 1905 THERE WERE 3,286 CASES OF YELLOW FEVER & 423 DEATHS (tropic syndrome) +IN OLD NEW ORLEANS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SOBERING REALITY+ >this is only 30 years before your correspondent entered this +TROPIQUE MAGIQUE+ +METAPHYSIQUE+ ^^^^^^^^^ +FIVE YEARS LATER+ >in 1937 i can remember open canals on claiborne ave. and the sounds >-bites of hungry mosquitos at +4536 SOUTH JOHNSON ST+ >my ray/degruy grandparents home +LARGE-RAISED-CREOLE+ +SCREEN PORCH+ >not far from claiborne/napoleon< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +INFECTED MOSQUITOS WERE+ >summer 1905 scourge< +FOUND IN BANANA BUNCHES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +2000 YELLOW FEVER CASES+ >in summer 1897 with 300 deaths had caused shock waves in the old city +LONG DEATHLY HISTORY+ >the very year dr. walter reed< >discovered the mosquito< +CAUSE IN TROPIC CUBA+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >NEW ORLEANS WAS QUARENTINED+ +IN 1905 AND ST. TAMMANY PARISH+ >ray/degruy & staigg/cavaroc< +SAVED MY GRANDPARENTS+ >and their young children< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MACKEY'S PINE OIL PLANT+ >i remember very well in the heart of old covington providing the elixer +PUNGENT AROMA+ >to keep mosquitos in stupors<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "PRESERVATION IN PRINT" >(gift, thanks to mary lynn hyde)< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >journal of the "preservation resource center of new orleans" is focused in >the april 2010 issue on old< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COVINGTON & MANDEVILLE+ >with many revealing articles and >heartwarming photographs< >of familiar old environs.< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"THE OZONE BELT"+ >an article w/ a photograph of cousin bernard marigny's plantation ruin +BRICK SUGAR MILL+ >at mandeville the town he founded >remind us that our great great... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GRANDFATHER FRANCOIS+ >verloin degruy's "pineland park" sugar >plantation was to the west along lake pontchartrain near +MADISONVILLE+ ^^^^^^^^^ >(google: eugene ray / degruy / >pineland park for essays (also sansouci forest) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHARTON-BUTLER HOUSE+ (bogue falaya river locus) >ad in the preservation magazine offers +SALE SUMMER 2010 + >a large mansion in old covington of the +COVINGTON FOUNDER+ >home of john wharton who built it in +1830 VITAL deGRUY YEAR+ >and union general "beast" butler who used it for post civil war summers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1959-1969 ARCADIA+ >i could write a book about the decade of memories in covingon. of my +DEAR COVINGTON FRIENDS+ >especially the lobdells, barrangers, percys, ellises, beemans, watersons, +ARTISTIC ENCLAVES+ >hoods, and many assorted souls >who created a highly civilised< +CULTURAL AMBIENCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >through the mists of time< >other covington attractions< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE PASSION OF OUR FAMILY FOR+ +ST. TAMMANY PARISH WAS+ (most probably) +INHERITED GENETIC MEMORY+ >and appreciation of the< +PINELAND ESSENCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

+MERCI MARIE LAVEAU+ >the fact that you read this is an +ELECTRONIC MIRACLE+ >(both m.s.n. and i had given up) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FELICIE deCIRCE-FOUCHER+ >it is valuable to note in one of helen's obituaries that felicie foucher used +deCIRCE FOUCHER+ >as her surname much as her husband +FRANCOIS JOSEPH VERLOIN-deGRUY+ >used verloin-degruy in the official +CHURCH DOCUMENT+ >as his surname< ^^^^^^^^^ +CONCLUSION+ >these great-great grandparents of ours possessed pride in their noble french heritage and the importance of +VERLOIN & deCIRCE+ >in their aristocratic links to their +BREATHTAKING HISTORY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(note: frank lloyd-wright sons, who were my friends, used lloyd-wright in this manner and grandson eric, also. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +deCIRCE CONTINUES+ >in france w/ an illustrious history that should be traced to their fr. chateaux. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(audubon park/tulane/loyola +FOUCHER-BORE+ >was their old nola plantation<) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GARAGE TREASURES+ >work contnues in my garage extracting the best of my library from storage +GRAPHICS/PAPERS/BOOKS+ >while the rest are library book gifts. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CALIFORNIA BUNGALOWS, 1894+ >COVE BEACH / LAJOLLA CA.< (oldest existing in california >preservation campaign) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SCHOLARLY RESEARCH PAPERS+ >memories abound of my 1975 effort in +ARCHITECTURAL PRESERVATION+ >with several papers i wrote< >first at tulane and later in... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LAJOLLA, CALIFORNIA+ >establishing the west indies-louisiana +1969 TULANE PAPER+ >link of the veranda plantation house >and the california paper linking +1975 LAJOLLA PAPER+ >the california bungalow w/its >pacific island progenitors< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >WHILE ESTABLISHING LINKS OF THE PACIFIC ISLAND HOUSE W/ BOTH >1975 lajolla paper< +WEST INDIES & LOUISIANA HOUSES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SLIDE LECTURE-1975+ >i delivered a double screen slide lecture coupled w/ my paper to several official boards) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THIS WAS VIDEO TAPED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >seven university professors sent letters (ESP. VINCENT SCULLY, YALE) >& telegrams approving my conclusions +AND THE BUNGALOWS WERE+ +SAVED FROM DISTRUCTION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JAY EDWARDS MONOGRAPHS+ >later in 1988-89 professor jay edwards of lsu having read my earlier papers +PROF HECK HAD SENT+ (edward's friend) +POSITIVE SUPPORT+ >carried this investigation further w/ two valuable monographs... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1)+LOUISIANA'S REMARKABLE FRENCH+ +VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) +COMPLEX ORIGINS OF AMERICAN+ >DOMESTIC< +PIAZZA-VERANDA-GALLERY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1967-1969, ORIGINAL RESEARCH+ >what should not be overlooked here >is my in-depth paper w/ illustrations< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"EXOTIC FACTORS AND FORCES OF+ >(tulane research paper 1968< >shared w/ prof. heck) +PRIMARY LOUISIANA AESTHETICS"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MULTI-VALENT OPERATION+ >i wrote this while formulating in my studio at tulane (i was teaching in +SYNERGETIC EFFORT+ +RESEARCH TO REALITY+ >the architecture school while >earning a m.f.a. degree<) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +A LARGE OEUVRE OF CREATIVE WORKS+ >color-light-energy< >paintings/environs/architecture< +REFLECTING THE TROPICAL INFLUENCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >culminating in "the jazz workshop"< >published in the times picayune< >that progenderd the< +NEW ORLEANS JAZZ FEST+ ! (in the very next year) ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ILLUSTRATED LECTURE+ >upstairs in a large closet is the major three screen slide lecture i have delivered all over the world >expressing this history< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NOTE OF IRONY+ >i have never seen "jazz-fest" and very few louisianians are familiar w/ the +HISTORY THAT I SHARE W/ YOU+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. >(perhaps time shall correct), +IN AN ETERNAL SPACE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Felix Charles Forstall > Arthur Forstall & Louisa Taney > Felix Jean Forstall & Heloise DeJan 1850 census, LA, Orleans Parish, 3M 1W, New Orleans, P35-36 [Jul 25, 1850, indexed under T. J. Forstall]: F. J. Forstall, mw, 50 [b. 1800], LA, secretary, cotton prep, 10,000 ; Eloise [DeJan] Forstall, fw, 42 [b. 1808], LA ; Arthur Forstall, mw, 24 [b. 1826], LA, clerk ; Louisa [Taney] Forstall, fw, 21 [b. 1829], LA ; M. Duchamp [Héloïse Durel, sp. DeJan], fw, 67 [b. 1783], LA, 700 ; Paul Forstall, mw, 14 [b. 1836], LA ; William Forstall, mw, 12 [b. 1838], LA ; Louisa Forstall, fw, 11 [b. 1839], LA ; Arthur [Armand] Forstall, mw, 1 4/12 [b. Mar 1849], LA ; F. [Felix] Forstall, mw, 1 8/12 [b. Nov 1848], LA. 1860 census, LA, Orleans Parish, 6W, New Orleans, P60 [Jun 18, 1860, indexed under Forstele]: V. J. Forstall, mw, 58 [b. 1802], LA, secretary of cotton press, 20000, 4000 ; Eloise [DeJan] Forstall, fw, 46 [b. 1904], LA ; Mme Duchamp [Héloïse Durel, sp. DeJan] fw, 74 [b. 1786], LA ; Paul Forstall, mw, 24 [b. 1836], LA, clerk ; William Forstall, mw, 22 [b. 1838], LA ; Armand Forstall, mw, 11, [b. 1849], LA ; Louisa Forstall, fw, 18 [b. 1842], LA. 1870 census, LA, Orleans Parish, 6W, New Orleans, P129 [Jun 28, 1870]: Arthur Forstall, head, mwm, 45 [b. 1825], LA, clerk, story, 8000/200 ; Louisa [Taney] Forstall, fwm, 42 [b. 1828], LA ; Felix Forstall, mws, 21 [b. 1849], LA, LA, LA, clerk, store ; Peggie Johnson, domestic servant, fbs, 40 [b. 1830], LA. 1880 census, LA, Orleans Parish, New Orleans, 163 Bourbon Street, P18b [Jun 5, 1880]: Eloise [DeJan] Forstall, head, fww, 74 [b. 1806], LA, LA, LA ; Armand Forstall, son, mws, 29 [b. 1851], LA, LA, LA, clerk [-----] ; Angela [Forstall] Duplantier, daughter, fww, 50 [b. 1830], LA, LA, LA ; Amelie Duplantier, Gdau, fws, 23 [b. 1857], LA, LA, LA ; Ann Duplantier, Gdau, fws, 21 [b. 1859], LA, LA, LA. 1880 census, LA, Orleans Parish, New Orleans, 165 Royal Street, P4d [Jun 14, 1880]: Wm Forstall, head, mwm, 40 [b. 1840], LA, LA, LA, cotton stripper ; Marie [Almeida] Forstall, wife, fwm, 28 [b. 1852], LA, LA, LA ; Marie Almadie, moL, fww, 60 [b. 1820], LA, LA, LA ; Paul Almadie, broL, mwm, 26 [b. 1854], LA, LA, LA, typographer ; Alice Almadie, sisL, fwm, 23 [b. 1857], LA, LA, LA ; Charles Almadie, nephew, mws, 2 [b. 1898], LA, LA, LA ; Henry Almadie, nephew, mws, 1 [b. 1879], LA, LA, LA. 1880 census, LA, Orleans Parish, New Orleans, 59 Columbus Street, P7 [Jun 3, 1880]: Felix C. Forstall, head, mwm, 31 [b. 1849], LA, LA, LA, cotton weigher ; Marie [deGruy] Forstall, wife, fwm, 31 [b. 1849], LA, LA, LA ; Laure Forstall, daughter, fws, 8 [b. 1872], LA, LA, LA ; Marie Forstall, daughter, fws, 2 [b. 1878], LA, LA, LA.

*Felix Charles Forstall* Birth: Nov 28, 18481 Birth Place: LA, Orleans Parish, New Orleans Father: Arthur Forstall (~1826-) Mother: Louisa Taney (~1828-) Spouse: *Marie duFouchard Verloin deGruy* Birth: abt 1849 Father: (Étienne) Arthur duFouchard Verloin deGruy (1825-1855) Mother: Louise Harang (~1827-) Marriage: Dec 26, 1870 Marr Place: LA, Orleans Parish, New Orleans Children: *Arthur Antoine Forstall* -------------------------------------------------- Birth: Jan 24, 1883 Birth Place: LA, Orleans Parish, New Orleans

Evening Folks, I'm back, but not nearly back into the swing of things. It may take a couple of days for me to get back into any kind of routine. But I did see the question about the following people, so I wanted to post this in case you all have been discussing it. Hope you have all been well over the last week or so. R --------------- Anthime [Thomas] Anthyme/Anthime [Enthime] [Thomas Anthime, Thomas Antimio Verloin] [aka Arthur] Verloin married [Josephine] Marie Laure [Laure Josephine] [aka Louise] Harang on 3 Mar 1845 at SLC, NOLA [VI VCP 670 M p. 148 MLAF] As I have it their children were Marie Verloin, Jeanne Verloin, Elmire Verloin, Enthime (Joseph Anthime Verloin, Jr), and Thomas Antoine Verloin, Jr. Anthime [aka Thomas, aka Arthur] Verloin was the sone of Joseph Verloin Degruy and Marie Heloise [Eloise] Saulet y Pery So that ought to put them in their place in the family. All of these folks had so many variant spellings in their names as they appear in various sources that it is very difficult to keep up with them. I tend to just list every single variant]. Following is some data about Anthime/Thomas/Arthur: ANOSR VOLUME 13 PAGE 430 UNDER VERLOIN DEGRUIS [@DEGRUYS VERLOIN, VERLOIN DEGRUYS] [SEE COUTURIER] Thomas Antiomio [Joseph and Maria Eloisa Saulet, [both] natives and residents of this city], b. Jan. 25, 1819, bn. Jul 6, 1818, pgp. Joseph Degruys and Mariana Couturier, mgp. Thomas Saulet and Maria Theresa Pery, s. Francisco Verloin Degruys and Maria Laura Verloin Degruys [SLC, B31, 47] ------------------------------ Obtained from the Clerk of Court in Gretna, La., 3 pages of this succession today... here is a transcript of a > portion of those pages > Third District Court: 3 J.D.C. > Succession of the late Marie Heloise Saulet, dec'd wife of Jos. Verloin > Degruy > Petetion of P Emil Verloin DeGruy for ? of Administration & for Inventory > Filed May 7th 1849 > To the honorable the District Court in and for the Third District of the > State of Louisiana. The petition of Paul Emil Verloin DeGruy who resides > in the parish of Jefferson, district aforesaid. Respectfully sheweth: > That your Petitioner’s mother, the late Marie Heloise Saulet widow of > Joseph Verloin DeGruy departed this life in said parish of Jefferson, on > the first May 1849, having, besides your Petitioner, nine children of > full age and two grand children who are still minors, as her only > presumptive [can’t read] theirs, viz: Francois Verloin DeGruy;Theophile > Verloin DeGruy; Anthyme Verloin DeGruy; Camil Verloin DeGruy; Jules > Verloin DeGruy; Laure Verloin Degruy, wife of Etienne DeGruy; Virginie > Verloin DeGruy, wife of Paul Jules Fazende; Corinne Verloin DeGruy, wife > of Gustave Jacquet; Estelle Verloin DeGruy wife of Francois Fazende, and > Clemence and Clementine Harang, heirs of the said deceased by > representation of their mother the late Clementine Verloin Degruy, > deceased wife of Louis Alexandre Harang...... > > Background: ------------- Name of Deceased ( Anthime Verloin De Gruy ) Date of Death 1897-07-02 Age 79 yrs Paper Date Page/Section/Column Lang. TIMES DEMOCRAT 1897-07-03 Pg 2 Col. 7 In Sacramental Records ANOSR VOL 13 1818-1819 “Thomas Antimio [Joseph and Maria Eloisa Saulet, [both] natives and residents of this city], b. Jan 25, 1819, bn. Mar. 12, 1817, pgp. Joseph Degruys and Mariana Couturier, mgp. Thomas Saulet and Maria Theresa Pery, s. Francisco Verloin Degruys and Maria Laura Verloin Degruys.... SLC, B31, 47] Obtained from the Clerk of Court in Gretna, La., 3 pages of this succession today... here is a transcript of a > portion of those pages > Third District Court: 3 J.D.C. > Succession of the late Marie Heloise Saulet, dec'd wife of Jos. Verloin > Degruy > Petetion of P Emil Verloin DeGruy for ? of Administration & for Inventory > Filed May 7th 1849 > To the honorable the District Court in and for the Third District of the > State of Louisiana. The petition of Paul Emil Verloin DeGruy who resides > in the parish of Jefferson, district aforesaid. Respectfully sheweth: > That your Petitioner’s mother, the late Marie Heloise Saulet widow of > Joseph Verloin DeGruy departed this life in said parish of Jefferson, on > the first May 1849, having, besides your Petitioner, nine children of > full age and two grand children who are still minors, as her only > presumptive [can’t read] theirs, viz: Francois Verloin DeGruy;Theophile > Verloin DeGruy; Anthyme Verloin DeGruy; Camil Verloin DeGruy; Jules > Verloin DeGruy; Laure Verloin Degruy, wife of Etienne DeGruy; Virginie > Verloin DeGruy, wife of Paul Jules Fazende; Corinne Verloin DeGruy, wife > of Gustave Jacquet; Estelle Verloin DeGruy wife of Francois Fazende, and > Clemence and Clementine Harang, heirs of the said deceased by > representation of their mother the late Clementine Verloin Degruy, > deceased wife of Louis Alexandre Harang...... > > Background: -------- DE GRUY - On Friday, July 2, 1897, at 3:15 o'clock p. m., ANTHIME VERLOIN DE GRUY, aged seventy-nine years, a native of this city. The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the DeGruy, Harang, Jacquet, Fazende and Forstall famillies are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place This (Saturday) Evening, July 3, at 4:30 o'clock from the late residence of the deceased, No. 1624 Annette street, between Claiborne and Derbigny. New Orleans Public Library Times Democrat Newspaper July 3, 1897, p2, c7 Helen Kendrick --------- DE GRUY - At Batchelor, La., on Sunday, March 14, 1909, at 6 o'clock a.m., ANTHIME V. DE GRUY, a native of New Orleans and formerly a resident of this city. The friends and acquaintances of the De Gruy and Baudean families are respectfully invited to attend his funeral, from the Texas and Pacific Railroad Depot, on the arrival of the 11:55 a.m. train To-day. Interment in New St. Louis Cemetery, Esplanade Avenue. Note: St Louis No. 3 Cemetery Note: Son of Antoine Victor Verloin De Gruy and Laure Harang New Orleans Public Library Daily Picayune March 15, 1909, p6, c5 ------------------- De Gruy, Anthime Verloin Death date: 1897-07-02 Age: 79 years Sex: U Obituary citation(s): Times Democrat, 1897-07-03, Pg. 2 col. 7 ---------------------------------- ================== Following is all that I have on Laura (Josephine Marie Laure) Name of Deceased Mrs Laura De Gruy ( Harang ) Date of Death 1902-04-29 Age 75 yrs Sex F Next of Kin A. V. De Gruy (husband) Paper Date Page/Section/Column Lang. DAILY PICAYUNE 1902-04-30 Pg 4 Col. 7 DAILY PICAYUNE 1902-05-04 Pg 4 Col. 7 STATES 1902-05-04 Pg 5 Col. 2 ----------- From Justice of Peace drawers at NOPL: DeGruy, Thomas Anthime MLAF Mar 3, 1845 Laure Harang VI VCP 670 M p. 148 --------------------------

1919-Nogues-Louise Nogues (Meridier) beloved wife of Zach Nogues, aged 62 years, a native of New Orleans. [died July 31, 1919] Funeral will be held from the residence of her son-in-law, T. J. Collins, No. 2008 Franklin avenue, at 2:30 o'clock p.m. Monday, August 11, 1919. Times Picayune Newpaper, New Orleans, La. August 11, 1919, p2, c8 Louise Meridier spouse of Zacharie George Marc Nogues He is the son of: Pierre Huexell Felix Nogues and (Elise) Louise DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy She is the daughter of (Thomas) Antoine DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy and (Marie) Josephine Stephanie Guerin Molle' Wonder how they kept her so long before burying her? Helen

1906-Taboney-On Tuesday, October 23 at 9 p.m., Frank Taboney, beloved husband of Eugenie De Gruy, aged 60 years, 3 months, 15 days, a native of New Orleans. The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the Taboney, De Gruy and Charbonnet families are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place This (Wednesday) Afternoon at 3 o'clock from his late residence, No. 4301 St Claude Street, near Lesseps. Daily Picayune Newspaper, New Orleans, La. October 24, 1906, p6, c5 Note: (Armand) Frank Taboney also have Tabony [which is correct?] Son of: Francois Tabony and Azema Bayhi Spouse of: (Marie) Eugenie DeGruy who is the daughter of Eugene Joseph Bernard DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy and (Marie) Felide Charbonnet Helen Kendrick

1900-De Gruy-On Tuesday, Nov. 20, 1900 at 1:15 o'clock pm., Mrs. J. V. De Gruy, nee Louise Amanda Sauton, aged 53 years, a native of this city. The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place This Wednesday, Nov. 21, at 10 o'clock a.m, from the late residence of the deceased, No. 2536 Canal street, between Rocheblave and Dorgenois. Daily Picayune Newspaper, New Orleans, La. November 21, 1900, p4, c7 Note: Spouse of James Verloin DeGruy, Sr. Child of Francois Florentin Sauton and              Marie Elisabeth Tennely Castarede Helen Kendrick

1926-Lacour-On Tuesday, November 2, 1926 at 3 o'clock p.m., aged 90 years and 8 months,  Jean Gustave Lacour husband of Marie Felicie Verloin DeGruy, a native of this city. The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral service which will be held at St. Augustin's church corner Governor Nicholls and St. Claude streets, this Wednesday, November 3, 1926 at 10:30 o'clock a.m. Laudumiey in charge. Intement private. Times Picayune Newspaper, New Orleans, La. November 3, 1926, p2, c8 Helen Kendrick Note: The obit of his wife Felicie stated his name was Gustave Joseph Lacour. His wife was the daughter of Francois Joseph Verloin DeGruy and Felicite Felicie DeCirce' Foucher

1888-Nicaud-On Thursday, July 26, 1888, at 3 o'clock a.m., Marie Ann Nicaud, daughter of Frederick Nicaud and Felicie DeGuiz, a native of New Orleans. Daily Picayune Newspaper, New Orleans, La. July 29, 1888, p4, c6 Helen Kendrick Marie Ann Nicaud daughter of: Frederic (Francois) Nicaud, Sr. and Lucie Felicie DeGruy

1824-Board of Health-Report of Interments-August 31 Miss. A. Verlain, 13, resident, yellow fever Louisiana Courier Newspaper, New Orleans, La. September 2, 1824, p1, c4 Amenaide DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy Died August 31, 1824, age 13 Child of: (Thomas) Antoine DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy and (Marie) Josephine Stephanie Guerin Molle' Helen Kendrick

1852-Decede luer, a deux heures et demie de l'sapres midi a l'age de deux ans et quatre mois, Anthime Verloin De Gruy, fils de Anthime Verloin De Gruy et de Marie Laure Harang. Les amis et connaissances des deux families sout pres d'assister a l'enterrement qui aurs lieu aujourd'hut, a quatre heures et demie de l'apres-midi. Son corps est expose chez son pere, rue des Ramparts, entre Hopital et Quartier. Arthime Verloinn DeGruy, Died May 12, 1852, 2 years 4 months [Joseph Verloin DeGruy] L'Abeille De La Noubelle-Orleans; New Orleans Bee Newspaper May 12, 1852, p1, c5 Helen Kendrick Sent the English version previously Question: Is he the child of Thomas Anthime Verloin DeGruy and Josephine Laure Harang (my notes) or Antoine Victor Verloin DeGruy and Laure Hanarg  ???

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                                                   +INTERGRATED CREOLE FAMILY REUNION, SUMMER 2010+               >maranne and i enjoyed mary lynn hyde's account of her baldwin, louisiana reunion                    of the descendents of her druillhet great grandfather at which she found that                         the great majority were of african french descent and were delighted                                 >that mary lynn and her sister had made the effort to attend<                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                         >mary lynn's photos of this are very poignant and a.                                                  +powerful historical creole document+.                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                                                                     gene ray