No, Fernin, Rootsweb can't take any kind of attachments, but I can :-> So if you don't mind, can you resend to listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net Thanks! Renee > I tried to send a cut-and-paste which may not come through,

I believe it's that the majors don't have more than one company under their command, in order to better assert their authority--just a guess. I tried to send a cut-and-paste which may not come through, which explained that the cornettes were possibly akin to our NCOs, i.e., non-commissioned officers, below a lieutenant. (came from "A New and Enlarged Military Dictionary, 1802, by Charles James, discussing French and British military terms). Enter 'French cornette in military' and it pops up on google. -----Original Message----- From: degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:degruy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Orelie Dugruise Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:54 PM To: degruy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] help with a translation Most likely they are refering to cadets of some sort. Maybe assigned to a military unit.   Orelie Dugruise --- On Sat, 7/31/10, Degruy List Administrator <listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Degruy List Administrator <listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> Subject: [DEGRUY] help with a translation To: "GEN DEGRUY Mailing list at Rootsweb" <degruy@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 1:47 PM ok.... so here's the French [with accents, sorry for the garble] and following is the Google translate. As I don't believe they are really supposed to command the macaroni.... could someone Please come up with a better translation? *** les majors n'ont plus de compagnie sous leur nom, afind de pouvoir servir dans leurs charges avec plus d'application, et les aides-majors ont le rang de lieutenant pour commander à tous les cornettes sans difficultés. Dans l'esprit de l'ordonnance ces officiers, toujours présents, étaient destinés à maintenir la tradition au régiment; ils s'élevaient sur place; nous en avons l'example au régiment par m. de Gruy-Verloin, qui, aide-major à la création, devient major le 12 Avril 1692 et Lieutenant-Colonel en 1713 majors have more company in their name, inorder to serve in their offices with more enforcement, and aid-majors to the rank of lieutenant to command the macaroni without any difficulties. In the spirit of the order of these officers are always present, were intended to maintain the tradition of the regiment, they stood on the spot; we have the example of the regiment by m. Gruys-Verloin of which, adjutant to the creation, became major April 12, 1692 and Lieutenant-Colonel in 1713 This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ok.... so here's the French [with accents, sorry for the garble] and following is the Google translate. As I don't believe they are really supposed to command the macaroni.... could someone Please come up with a better translation? *** les majors n'ont plus de compagnie sous leur nom, afind de pouvoir servir dans leurs charges avec plus d'application, et les aides-majors ont le rang de lieutenant pour commander à tous les cornettes sans difficultés. Dans l'esprit de l'ordonnance ces officiers, toujours présents, étaient destinés à maintenir la tradition au régiment; ils s'élevaient sur place; nous en avons l'example au régiment par m. de Gruy-Verloin, qui, aide-major à la création, devient major le 12 Avril 1692 et Lieutenant-Colonel en 1713 majors have more company in their name, inorder to serve in their offices with more enforcement, and aid-majors to the rank of lieutenant to command the macaroni without any difficulties. In the spirit of the order of these officers are always present, were intended to maintain the tradition of the regiment, they stood on the spot; we have the example of the regiment by m. Gruys-Verloin of which, adjutant to the creation, became major April 12, 1692 and Lieutenant-Colonel in 1713

Most likely they are refering to cadets of some sort. Maybe assigned to a military unit.   Orelie Dugruise --- On Sat, 7/31/10, Degruy List Administrator <listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Degruy List Administrator <listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> Subject: [DEGRUY] help with a translation To: "GEN DEGRUY Mailing list at Rootsweb" <degruy@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 1:47 PM ok.... so here's the French [with accents, sorry for the garble] and following is the Google translate. As I don't believe they are really supposed to command the macaroni.... could someone Please come up with a better translation? *** les majors n'ont plus de compagnie sous leur nom, afind de pouvoir servir dans leurs charges avec plus d'application, et les aides-majors ont le rang de lieutenant pour commander à tous les cornettes sans difficultés. Dans l'esprit de l'ordonnance ces officiers, toujours présents, étaient destinés à maintenir la tradition au régiment; ils s'élevaient sur place; nous en avons l'example au régiment par m. de Gruy-Verloin, qui, aide-major à la création, devient major le 12 Avril 1692 et Lieutenant-Colonel en 1713 majors have more company in their name, inorder to serve in their offices with more enforcement, and aid-majors to the rank of lieutenant to command the macaroni without any difficulties. In the spirit of the order of these officers are always present, were intended to maintain the tradition of the regiment, they stood on the spot; we have the example of the regiment by m. Gruys-Verloin of which, adjutant to the creation, became major April 12, 1692 and Lieutenant-Colonel in 1713 This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+POMPADOUR-MARIGNY INSIGHT+ >1721-1764< >additional data regarding the life of +PARIS & VERSAILLES+ >madame de pompadour sister of +ABEL de MARIGNY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ +LAMOTHE CONNECTON+ 1) her mother was a lamothe that links her w/ both our degruy & cavaroc +ANCIENT REGIME HSTORY+ >in a double way with the marigny<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +AMAZING PREDICTION+ 2) madame de pompadour's mother had taken her at age 9 to a fortune teller +600 LIVRE PAYMENT+ >of great fame & respect in paris +"MADAME LEBON"+ ^^^^^^^^^^ >who predicted she would become the +MISTRESS OF KING LOUIS XV+ >who was then 20 w/ five children by >french queen marie leczinska< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3) in january 1738 the young antoinette >poisson (madame de pompadour) then age 17 moved w/ her mother to a townhouse next to the +PALAIS-ROYALE+ ^^^^^^^^^ >she is very beautiful and cultured and +URSELINE CONVENT+ >had been raised in a convent until +NEW ORLEANS LINK+ >that apocalyptic fortune event< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE+ +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ >lord du magny fouchard< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is then 22 years old, unmarried and in december of that year suddeny would +LEAVE THE PALACE OF VERSAILLES+ >marble/mirror/splendor< +FOR THE JUNGLES OF LOUISIANA+ >(packs of rabid night dogs)< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >in that crucial year of 1738 we know >that antoinette's mother's "protector" +CHARLES de TOURNEHEM+ (her father was unfairly in prison) >who may have been her real father< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >very likely caused an introduction< +NOBILITY vs. BEAUTY+ >of young antoine to antointte< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COMPANY OF THE INDIES+ >a revealing "smoking gun" fact here is that madame de pompadour's substitute father charles de tournhem was a +DIRECTOR OF THE+ (john law) +COMPAGNIE des-INDES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >with its offices just around the corner +FROM THE PALAIS ROYALE+ >milieu of the abbe prevost author of +"MANON LASCAUT"+ >(go figure)< ^^^^^^ +RADIANT SYCHRONICITY+ >the new abode locus of our pompadour and the offices of the company that young verloin degruy would be associated with in louisiana ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WERE VIRTUALLY ADJACENT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it is not illogical that the 22 year old +ANTOINE J.B.V.V. deGRUY+ >lord du magny fouchard and the 17 year old antoinette poissin +MADAME de POMADOUR+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP+ >love at the palais royale< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(convincing when coupled w/ the >duseau de la croix evidence< (POWERFUL FACTS) >plus the kings land grant<) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THROUGH THE NORTH ATLANTIC+ >(new rochelle to new orleans)< >leading to antoine's sudden exit that +DEATHLY ICE FLOWS+ >december on the "somme" captained +BY JACQUES de LIVAUDAIS+ >who would figure in his families +AMAZING COLONIAL HISTORY+ >in 19th century new orleans< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE STUFF OF FRENCH OPERA+ >antoinettes bedroom can be +AWAITS YOU+ >rented today as part of +HOTEL WASHINGTON OPERA+ (sighs in the paris night) +DEGRUY MILIEU OF DESTINY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

From: http://www.ask.com/wiki/Menus-Plaisirs_du_Roi Menus-Plaisirs du Roi From Wikipedia(View original Wikipedia Article) Last modified on 15 April 2010 at 00:55 The Menus-Plaisirs du Roi was, in the organisation of the French royal household under the Ancien Régime, the department of the Maison du Roi responsible for the "lesser pleasures of the King", which meant in practice that it was in charge of all the preparations for ceremonies, events and festivities, down to the last detail of design and order. At the king's lever, the premier gentilhomme de la chambre, the "first gentleman of the bedchamber", controller of the Menus-Plaisirs, was invariably in attendance, to hear directly from the king what plans were to be set in motion; by long-standing convention, he was a duke; though he was not a professional, it was up to him to determine the appropriate designs. The duke in charge of the Menus-Plaisirs was an important court official, quite separate from the Surintendant des Bâtiments du Roi, who was an architect or functionary in charge of all building operations undertaken by the Crown. The dukes in charge might leave the design process entirely to the professional Intendant in charge, whose right-hand man was the dessinateur du cabinet et de la chambre du Roy; so did two dukes with military careers, Louis-François-Armand du Plessis, duc de Richelieu (1696-1788), appointed premier gentilhomme in 1744[1] and Emmanuel-Félicité, duc de Durfort-Duras (1715-89), made premier gentilhomme (and pair de France) in 1757.[2] But Louis-Marie-Augustin, duc d'Aumont (1709-82), appointed premier gentilhomme de chambre in 1723, a position he held until the king's death in 1774, was a noted connoisseur of objets d'art and the arts of life, though not, apparently, of paintings.[3] The duc d'Aumont appointed the renowned gilt-bronze maker Pierre Gouthière doreur ordinaire des Menus-Plaisirs in 1767 and appointed the architect Bellanger to the Menus-Plaisirs in the same year.[4] For most of the reign of Louis XVI, the Intendant of the Menus-Plaisirs du Roi was Papillon de la Ferté, whose journal (published in 1887) throws a great deal of light on the organization of court ceremony.[5] Many designers were required at the Menus-Plaisirs. From the sixteenth century on, a main responsibility of court architects in Europe was the occasional design of lavish ephemeral settings for processional entries, for masques and ballets, for the structures that supported fireworks and illuminations on nights of grand fêtes for dynastic marriages and births, or to design the catafalque for a state funeral. Architects like Leonardo, Giulio Romano and Inigo Jones were engaged in projects that were of great moment in expressing the prestige of the court, but which have left little behind, except designs and some commemorative engravings, produced under the supervision of the Cabinet du Roi.[6] The architect Charles-Nicolas Cochin worked for several years for the Menus-Plaisirs du Roi, 1735-51, making detailed renderings for the engravers of architectural designs by the Slodtz brothers.[7] and François-Joseph Bélanger began his career in 1767 working at the Menus-Plaisirs, both designing ephemeral decorations for court entertainments. In the later reign of Louis XIV, the architect in charge of the Bâtiments was Jules Hardouin-Mansart, but the wholly independent artistic force at the menus-plaisirs until his death in 1711 was Jean Bérain, whose brevet in 1674 covered his responsibilities "for all sorts of designs, perspectives, figures and costumes that it would be required to make for plays, ballets, chases at the ring, carousels..."[8] The purview of the Menus-Plaisirs did not normally extend to furniture, but among its expenses in 1692 were "the Furniture and the silversmiths' work for the apartments of the King"[9] Within the Menus-Plaisirs, a hierarchical structure prevailed, with an Intendant[10] supervising the whole and a Dessinateur de la Chambre et du Cabinet du Roi in charge of the orderly production of designs. The Cabinet du Roi— in the seventeenth-century sense of cabinet as collection of works of art and curiosities— was organized by Colbert, who gave formal structure to all the official arts under Louis XIV. The Cabinet du Roi provided the commemorative engravings, which are often our only record, and sold them.[11] The functions of design and commemoration overlapped, needless to say. The position was extremely influential: both Jean Bérain and his son, and later Juste-Aurèle Meissonnier, the genius of the extreme rococo, followed by the Slodtz brothers, one after another, 1750-64. The appointment of the neo-classical architect-designer Michel-Ange Challe in 1764 marked a turning point: through his designs for the Menus-Plaisirs, neoclassicism was introduced at the French court.[12] The Menus-Plaisirs were not in charge of the essential furniture of the royal palaces, which were the province of the Garde-Meuble de la Couronne. An exception is instructive: the design of the jewel cabinet made as a wedding present for the wedding of the Dauphin Louis to Marie-Antoinette was considered part of the design of the festivities as a whole; thus in the Menus-Plaisirs, the design was entrusted by the duc d'Aumont to Belanger in 1769, well in advance of the wedding. It was delivered on 1 May 1770.[13] The music required for these entertainments was also a concern of the Menus-Plaisirs du Roi. Towards the end of Louis XV's reign, the music was established in premises in rue Bergier. In 1784 Papillon de la Ferté organized the École royale de musique, where the Théâtre des Menus-Plaisirs was completed in 1811. Under the French Second Empire the revived Théâtre des Menus-Plaisirs was an officially-supported theatre in Paris. Out of the music supplied by the Menus-Plaisirs developed the Conservatoire of Paris[14] In addition to these extraordinary expenses, which interest the historian of taste, the journal of the last Intendant of the Menus-Plaisirs, Denis-Pierre-Jean Papillon de la Ferté (1727-1794) describes as well the ordinary expenses, for the Menus-Plaisirs dispensed the salaries of the Premiers Gentilshommes de la Chambre, the Grand Maître de la Garde-Robe, the king's doctor, the médecin de la Chambre, the personnel of the Menus-Plaisirs and the king's musicians. Ordinary expenses entailed the constant renewal of the King's wardrobe and that of the Dauphin, religious ceremonies of all kinds, the king's carriages, small royal gifts like snuffboxes, tents and pavilions for outdoor events. The meeting of the Estates General, in the Salle des États, 5 May 1789 Hôtel des Menus-Plaisirs du Roi Under Louis XV a structure was erected in the town of Versailles to house the multiple activities of the Menus-Plaisirs. It still stands, at 22, avenue de Paris, now rendered famous as the site of the Estates-General of 1789, at which the opening moves of the French Revolution were played out. A provisionally fitted-out space was arranged in the building to seat the Assembly of Notable in 1787, and again in 1788. Then, to accommodate the press of representatives of the three estates, in the Estate-General, a grander but still temporary Salle des États designed by Pierre-Adrien Pâris was set up in one of the two courtyards of the Hôtel des Menus-Plaisirs.

FYI: under photos on our website, I have posted images of Coulommiers [church and entrance to city]; the L'Eglise of Petit-Mesnil, the Chateau Bossancourt Will add more as I have time. Following comes from a search of Valentin le Roy, including an ammended Google translation of French From: http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=%22valentin%20le%20roy%22%20%2B%20coulommiers&sig=vEroVhLAc7_0ztct6bz-z967aUI&ei=4yxTTMigMsHknAeB8vCeBA&ct=result&id=dNIZAAAAYAAJ&ots=93NuVLHmL_&output=text <http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=%22valentin%20le%20roy%22%20%2B%20coulommiers&sig=vEroVhLAc7_0ztct6bz-z967aUI&ei=4yxTTMigMsHknAeB8vCeBA&ct=result&id=dNIZAAAAYAAJ&ots=93NuVLHmL_&output=text> [accents removed because of Rootsweb] 16 juillet 1667, bapteme d'Elisabeth, fille de maitre Urbain Le Roy, avocat en Parlement, procureur fiscal de Mgr de Longueville, et de mademoiselle Elisabeth de Jouy ; parrain maitre Jacques Bobe, sieur de la Hemerie, gentilhomme servant de Mr le Prince; marraine Marie Thierry, femme de maitre Valentin Le Roy, aussi avocat en Parlement; Google Translation July 16, 1667, baptism of Elizabeth, daughter of Master Urbain Le Roy, a lawyer in Parliament, fiscal attorney of Bishop de Longueville, and Miss Elizabeth de Jouy; Godfather: Master Jacques Bobe, lord of Hemer, gentleman servant of M. le Prince ; Godmother: Marie Thierry , wife of Master Valentin le Roy, also a lawyer in Parliament ------------------------------------- le 27e jour du mois d'aout, audit an 1680, ont ete solennellement mariés Jacques Bobe, ecuyer de Son Altesse royale Madame, fils de Jacques, sieur de La Hémerie, gentilhomme de Mgr le prince, et de feu damoiselle Marie Mondollot, sa femme ; avec damoiselle Jeanne Le Roy, fille de feu maître Jean Le Roy, vivant président en l'Élection de Coulommiers, et de damoiselle Elisabeth Lambert, sa femme, en presence du pere de l'époux, de M. l'abbé Lhuillier, prieur de Sainte-Foy; de M. Claude Le Tonnellier, auditeur en la chambre des Comptes ; de maître Louis Mondollot, cidevant bailli de Coulommiers ; de Pierre d'Assigny, ecuyer, seigneur de La Vanne et des Bordes, gentilhomme de la chambre de Son Altesse royale Monsieur, etc. ; — the 27th day of August, year 1680 audit, were solemnly married Jacques Bobe, ecuyer to HRH Madame, son of Jacques, Sieur de La Hemerie, a gentleman of MGR, the Prince Bishop, and the late Lady Mary Mondollot, his wife, with Mademoiselle Jeanne Le Roy, daughter of the late master Jean Le Roy, living president in the Election of Coulommiers and lady Elizabeth Lambert, his wife, in the presence of the father of the bridegroom, Abbot Lhuillier , prior of Sainte-Foy, Mr. Claude Le Tonnellier, auditor in the Chamber of Accounts; master Mondollot Louis, cidevant Bailiff of Coulommiers; of Pierre D'Assigny, ecuyer and lord of La Vanne and of Bordes, gentilhomme de la chambre du roi [HRH Sir, ]etc.. -

+CORSAIRS OUT OF THE CLOSET+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >before lafitte there was livaudais and voisin de la vergne who found their +ST MALO FRANCE, NATIVES+ >way to daupin island and into +deGRUY-FOUCHER HISTORY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CARTIER, CANADA'S FATHER+ >was from st malo, france (google) the infamous haven of french corsairs. +BUT ALSO FOUNDERS OF THE+ +FAULKLAND ISLANDS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >perhaps the amazing life of jascques iii de livaudais became an inspiration +CAPT. VOISIN-de LA VERGNE+ +WAS HIS MALO UNCLE+ >to the lafitte-degruy privateering >and barataria smuggling< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JUNGLE PRIVATEERS+ >livaudais dramatic life can be read on cousin bruno chaillaz equaling +AMAZING WEBSITE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ +IMPORTANT FACTORS+ >our connection with the louisiana family of livaudais is when jacques de livaudais >married marie celeste de marigny< sister of +BERNARD de MARIGNY+ >placing the livaudais into our enclave >of old regime creole royalists< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DESTREHAN/FOUCHER de CIRCE +deGRUY/deBORE/deMARIGNY+ +deGAYARRE/deLIVAUDAIS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >an attractive resource for the duke of orleans, later king louis philippe to borrow 1000 sp. piastres while in new orleans. +FROM PIERRE de MARIGNY+ >bernard's father< ^^^^^^^^^ >synchronistically: pauline de livaudais daughter of livaudais/marigny wed +DANIEL du SEAU de LA CROIX+ >for additional degruy drama< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MARIGNY ROYAL CONNECTION)+ >abel de marigny king louis xv custodian +MADAME de POMPADOUR+ >influential brother< >of buildings built the elysee palace +HOME OF THE FRENCH PRESIDENT+ near the marigny townhouse >on blvd. marigny in paris<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +EMMANIEL duSEAU de LA CROIX+ >the grandson of jacques de livaudais and >marie celeste de marigny de livaudais<.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MADAME de POMPADOUR+ (king louis xv mistress) +BROTHER'S CASTLE+ >was born in abel de marigny's castle +PETITE VAL CASTLE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +REVEALING OVERVIEW+ >this amazing information casts new light on the legend of antoine jean baptiste valentine verloin degruy having a >bond with madame pompadour< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >HIS WIDOW & CHILDREN CAME INTO THE duSEAU de LA CROIX FAMILY >upon his death in the illinois< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >THE duSEAU de LA CROIX MARRY +INTO THE MARIGNY FAMILY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >madame de pompadoer's brother, abel de marigny's castle become the final haven of bernard de marigny's sister +MARE-CELESTE de MARIGNY+ married to +JACQUES de LIVAUDIS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (smokng gun evidnce) +PLUS HER du SEAU de LA CROIX+ +SON-IN-LAW DANIEL & FAMILY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CONCLUSION+ >it stands to reason : there was a strong bond of madame de pompadour's >powerful marigny family with< (the deceased lord) +VERLOIN-DEGRUY FAMILY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >madame de pompadour died +5 YEARS AFTER ANTOINE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >just about the time of the+ !+KING'S LAND GRANT+! ^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Thanks, as always, Bonnie. Have entered your email into our Myfamily site. B. B. Wood wrote: > Some de la Houssaye marriages into families allied to the deGruy family: > > Barthelemy Octave le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. (Marie) Francoise Daspit de > St Amand, abt 1773. > > Francois Gustave le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. Marie Doralise Judice > (Jacques > Troisisles Judice & Hyacinthe Marei Louise Boutte (Antoine Boutte & Marie > Françoise Hyacinthe deGruy), Aug 13, 1816. > > Nicolas Theodule le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. (Felicite) Aminthe deVince > Bienvenu, Oct 22, 1816. > > Francois le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. Eliza Charlotte deVesin Olivier, Apr > 16, 1827. > > Bernard St Cyr de la Houssaye m. Marie Felicie Planchard, abt 1855. > > Pierre Edouard St Pe m. Marie Philomene de la Houssaye, Dec 17, 1881. >

Some de la Houssaye marriages into families allied to the deGruy family: Barthelemy Octave le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. (Marie) Francoise Daspit de St Amand, abt 1773. Francois Gustave le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. Marie Doralise Judice (Jacques Troisisles Judice & Hyacinthe Marei Louise Boutte (Antoine Boutte & Marie Françoise Hyacinthe deGruy), Aug 13, 1816. Nicolas Theodule le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. (Felicite) Aminthe deVince Bienvenu, Oct 22, 1816. Francois le Pelletier de la Houssaye m. Eliza Charlotte deVesin Olivier, Apr 16, 1827. Bernard St Cyr de la Houssaye m. Marie Felicie Planchard, abt 1855. Pierre Edouard St Pe m. Marie Philomene de la Houssaye, Dec 17, 1881.

Re the de la Houssaye family and the DeGruy family: Francois Gustave de la Houssaye was married on August 13, 1816 to Marie Doralise Judice, daughter of Jacques Judice and Marie Louise Hyacinthe Boutte. Marie Louise Hyacinthe Boutte was the daughter of Antoine Boutté and Marie Françoise Hyacinthe DeGruy. [not giving all the BMD data here] If there are other DeGruy-de la Houssaye connections please add these ... here on the list or on the website as a commentary on that entry. R

Have uploaded the articles on the Dauterive family and put it under "Reviews" on our Myfamily site under the category: Allied Families Will be a bit longer till I can add the de la Houssayes. R

+DAUPHIN ISLAND INCIDENTS+ >of interest to the family, +VERLOIN deGRUY+ ^^^^^^^^^^ 1) +CAPTAIN des GRIEUX+ >king's ship, comte de toulouse< +APRIL 19, 1719+ ^^^^^^^^ >official documentation of the french colonial history indicates the arrival >to dauphin island off of mobile< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE COMTE de TOULOUSE+ >king's ship with bienville's brother +SIEUR de SERIGNY+ >to his post in the fledgling colony< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CAPTAIN des GRIEUX+ >is in charge of the king's ship on april 19, 1719 as it arrives w/ +BIENVILLE+ >on the quay to greet his brother< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GRIEUX=GRUY+ >much previous documentation indicate A) that grieux like gruise was a >case of mispelling gruy<. B) that the captain's entire name was recorded as +JEAN BAPTISTE des GRIEUX+ (corrected to) +JEAN BAPTIST de GRUY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(was jean baptiste an older brother or other relation +UNCLE ?+ >to antoine jbvv degruy) ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +KING LOUIS XIV DIED IN 1710+ >cardinal richelieu is in charge< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >note: back at versaille palace in 1719 antoine j.b. valentin verloin degruy +LORD duMAGNY FOUCHARD+ >is 4 years old and the new french +KING LOUIS XV+ >is 9 years old and the 2 are daily discovering the pagentry of +LIFE IN THE PALACE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ +A BOND IS BEING FORMED+ >that will result some forty years later in the king granting the heirs of +ANTOINE+ >of his versailles palace friend +A KING'S LANDGRANT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >in the jungles of plaquemine +parish south of new orleans+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) FRANCOIS de la ROCHEFOUCAULD >(as in roche-foucauld >as in roche-foucher<) +MARQUIS de SURGERES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >was the distinguished degruy cousin >(google: eugene ray/degruy)< +ROCHE/DEGRUY/RAY LINKS+ >who actually discovered the harbor on dauphin island for +COMPANY OF THE INDIES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +DAUPHIN ISLAND SETTLEMENT+ >an exellent birds eye perspective of the early french harbor and settlement +2 STORY GALLERIED HOUSES+ >on dauphin island in 1717 an be +PAGE 107+ >seen in the "architecture of colonial louisiana" by >samuel wilson< +ARCHITECTURAL NOTE+ >(this west indian derived creole archtype became the classic french 18c house on the early louisiana plantations). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3) +CAPTAIN de la VIGNE-VOISIN+ >or more correctly< +CAPTAIN de LA VERGNE-VOISIN+ >another degruy history persona was the french engineer in chage of buildng +1709-1710+ +THE FIRST FORT ON DAUPHIN ISAND+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >i have written much about our link w/ the de lavergnes and their +GOOGLE+ >history in france & louisiana< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VOISIN CONNECTION+ >(transcendent secret history)< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is very special taking us back to the >french languedoc< A) +RENNES LE CHATEAU+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ B) +MEROVINGIAN BLOOD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C) +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ D) +PRIORY de SION+ ^^^^^^^^^ E) +EGYPTIAN ALCHEMY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >this voisin/delavergne/degruy linkage is a fascinating strata of our research >that deserves much more work< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE SYNERGY OF THESE ELEMENTS +IS AT THE CORE OF DEGRUY+ >(speakng to god)< +MYSTIQUE IN THE JUNGLES+ +OF THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray/ san diego, california

+FRENCH JUNGLE DYNAMICS+ >18th century miss, valley< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the previous discoveries of +GARIC-SAUCIER+ and +ROY-SAUCIER+ >marriages are certainly fascinating to our degruy family interests >in 18th century new orleans >and mobile, alabama< ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PERRY-SAUCIER+ >now in a footnote in"francois saucier, engineer of fort de chartres" in the "frenchmen and frenchways in the mississippi valley" book i find ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +JEAN FRANCOIS PERRY+ >native of france residng in 18th century cahokia, illinois the first husband of +ADELAIDE SAUCIER+ >of cahokia daughter of j.b. saucier born in mobile in 1752, son of +FRANCOIS SAUCIER+ >kings surveyor-engineer and designer builder of the famed fort chartres >and friend of our very own< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE +VALENTIN VERLOIN-deGRUY+ >lord du-magny fouchard< (1715-1759) (sometime degruyverloin) >("PATRIARCH EXTRAORDINAIRE")< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >explorer/military officer/discoverer of +KING'S CROWN AGENT+ >lead mines for his childhood friend< +FRENCH KING LOUIS XV+ (1710-1774) >who he grew up with at versailles< where he inherited the diamond +HIS FATHER WINNER OF+ +ORDER OF ST. LOUIS+ >necklace that he converted to +KING'S GIFT+ >formal dress shirt buttons< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHICH HE GAVE TO HIS 4 SONS+ >and which can be seen in the portrait of his great grand- >son in our living room<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRANCOIS VERLOIN deGRUY+ father of +JAMES VERLOIN deGRUY+ father of +LUCIE VERLOIN deGRUY+ wife of +EUGENE RAY (1st)+ (my grandparents) ^^^^^^^^^^^ +PERSPECTIVE OVERVIEW+ >this family connection of lord valentin verloin degruy with the perrys in +PERRYS OF VERSAILLES+ +AND CHAMAGNE+ >new orleans and the wilds of >illinois-missouri country< +WAS PROFOUND+ ^^^^^^^^^^ 1)>remember father perry officiated at the wedding of antoine and marie therese aufrere in new orleans. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) gerard perry, antoine's brother-in-law, was apparently an energetic persona +MINDFUL OF LAFITTE &+ +J.B. VALENTIN deGRUY+ >sailing the atlantic to trade in france and spain where he "lost his shirt." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3) antoine's aufrere father in law made trips back to paris and may have +PERRY'S AS WELL+ >capitalised on antoine's royal >connections at versailles<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +PERE DAGOBERT HEAD PRIEST OF+ +ST. LOUIS CATHEDRAL IN 1750+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >was another strong degruy family link +MARGUERITE DAGOBERT+ (merovingian blood) +GUILLAUME deVERLOING+ >back via versailles and magny fouchard >to the heart of french royal history< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRANCOIS SAUCIER+ >early talent a a draftsman is shown by a drawing he made of the plan of the +NEW ORLEANS VIEUX CARRE+ >he made when he was 16 years old. +DATED MAY 12, 1728+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >in 1737 he surveyed bienville's land at new orleans which became several +deGRUY RELATED PLANTATIONS+ (i have written much re: these.. >heart of uptown new orleans< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >SAUCIER WELCOMED ANTOINE J.B.V. (packs of rabid night dogs) >VERLOIN deGRUY'S SHIP UPON >spring of 1739< +ITS ARRIVAL IN NEW ORLEANS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >verloin-degruy and saucier were part of the large french army sent in the +SUMMER OF 1739+ >upstream to battle the chickasaws< +NEAR MEMPHIS TENN.+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +SIEUR de NOAILLES de AIME+ >as i have written, antoine's shipmate reresenting, like antoine, royal court interests became a new leader in the +FRENCH STRUGGLE TO CONTROL+ +THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to be continued.. gene ray, san diego, california

The following comes from page 145 of Betty Pourciau's book on St. Martin Parish. In the next day or so, I will be posting on the website, the articles from that book on the de la Houssaye's and the Dauterives, because they are so filled with interesting tidbits... and because our Degruys intermarried with these two families. For now, here a little hors d'oeuvre: "Jean Antoine Bermard married Elizabeth Sabine Josephe Montault de Monberaut in New Orleans on 1 May 1764. From this union four sons were born.... His [Dauterive] wife sold some of the land in the District of Iberville to Pierre Belly and moved her family to the Attakapas in 1778. The Delhommes and Dernevilles were relatives. Catherine Layssard de Clouet was a cousin. She moved among her family and friends and it was here that Elizabeth met and married Jean Baptiste De Gruis, son of Antoine Valentine Verloin De Gruis and Marie Therese Aufrere, on 4 May 1779. In addition to her four children by Dauterive, Elizabeth had two children by De Gruis, a son who lived only sixteen days, and a little girl who died in her eleventh year. Elizabeth and De Gruis lived in St. Martin west of the Bayou Teche occupying and cultivating the land called the Prairie of Vermillion from 1779 until 1784 at which time they moved from the Attakapas to St. Charles Parish." [Pearl H. Kranske wrote the article on the Dauterive Family]

From: ST. JOSEPH CATHOLIC CEMETERY: Thibodaux, Louisiana [Lafourche Parish] A Publication of Terrebonne Genealogical Society, Houma, Louisiana, 1989 [printing by Audrey B. Westerman] Page 66 Section 27: Facing Back Under #245 Jean Celestin Celestin Tomb, 4 doors: Door 3: French: Here lies Jean Celestin, Montmeyan [Van] France 1805 7 Jan 1861 Door 2: Elodie Clara Boudreaux 21 July 1887 9 Mar 1930 wife of Francis Henry McCulla Door 4: H. H. Michelet 15 Sept 1823 16 May 1908 and his wife, Letitia V. DeGruy 1 Mar. 1835 27 Apr. 1908 Rolland J. Morvant 1902 1837

Thanks Renee, Letitia was sister to my gg grandmother Marie Laura V. Degruy (Degruise), daughter of Joseph V. Degruy and Charlotte Falgout.  Although earlier records indicated the Degruise spelling of the name, I have noticed some death/burial records indicating the Degruy spelling in this family. Jean Celestin was the father-in-law of Letitia and Laura sister Pamela who married Jean Celestin Jr. Rolland Morvant probably grandson of Letitia Bill ________________________________ From: Degruy List Administrator <listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> To: GEN DEGRUY Mailing list at Rootsweb <degruy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 11:25:32 AM Subject: [DEGRUY] Letitia V. DeGruy Michelet From: ST. JOSEPH CATHOLIC CEMETERY: Thibodaux, Louisiana [Lafourche Parish] A Publication of Terrebonne Genealogical Society, Houma, Louisiana, 1989 [printing by Audrey B. Westerman] Page 66 Section 27: Facing Back Under #245 Jean Celestin Celestin Tomb, 4 doors: Door 3: French: Here lies Jean Celestin, Montmeyan [Van] France 1805  7 Jan 1861 Door 2: Elodie Clara Boudreaux  21 July 1887  9 Mar 1930   wife of Francis Henry McCulla Door 4: H. H. Michelet  15 Sept 1823  16 May 1908 and his wife, Letitia V. DeGruy  1 Mar. 1835  27 Apr. 1908 Rolland J. Morvant  1902  1837 This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact."  All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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If anyone has a copy of the June 1996 issue of Gumbo Roots there is a reference to Emma and Samuel Degruy on page 5. I don't have that particular issue.... but perhaps someone 'out there ' does. R PS In the December 1996 issue on page 10 the following is found: b [Recorded at the board of health Dec. 21, 1889 under Marriages] George J. Mazerat and Miss Marie A. D. Degray