Here is some more from Judy Perrin. I don't think I've sent this before. If I did, apologies. Let's pray for Judy who is recovering from Charley and Frances.... She's really been through it with power outages, damage, etc. God bless, Renee Justine is probably Mrs. Louis Veillion [widow] who married Rene Verloin de Gruy. THIS IS STRANGE SAME DATES, SAME VOL # 17, PGE 533 RENE MARRIED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAME DAY ETC.??? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Rene Verloin De Gruy Spouse: Louis Veillion Age: 36 Age: 33 Gender: M Marriage Date: 08 Dec 1896 Volume: 19 Page: 533 Comment: Widow Spouse 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Justine Marcade Spouse: Rene Verloin De Gruy Age: 33 Age: 36 Gender: F Marriage Date: 08 Dec 1896 Volume: 19 Page: 533 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

This information is sent from Judy Perrin. Perrins and Harangs married DeGruys: New Orleans, Louisiana Death Records Index, 1804-1949 Name Age Death Date Color Page Volume Marie Perrin Harang 69 yrs 19 Nov 1903 W 174 131 Marie Perrin 69 yrs 19 Nov 1903 W 174 131 Mary Estelle Harang Perrin 77 yrs 31 Dec 1935 W 2973 207

Hello All, Although I'm out in San Diego, my family is predominately in the Mobile and New Orleans areas. Thank you for all of your thoughts and prayers. Let's hope we'll weather the storms for another 1,000 years. _________________________ Jason & Michelle Gonzales michelle_gonzo@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Degruy List Admin" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: storm > Hi Degruy-L, > > I know that many of us on this list do not live in the Louisiana, > Mississippi, Alabama & Florida areas. > For those of you who do, our thoughts and prayers are you with as this > storm approaches. > Take care. > Renee in St. Louis > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Looking over the maps that Renee sent us, I realized the mistake in my information of a de Gruy plantation that included the Audubon Park area at one time. It jolted my memory. great maps!! So, let me correct that now. Remember that I had a computer crash and am in the midst of trying to retrieve the bulk of my genaelogy files. So I am going by handwritten notes and memory. I give my word I will be far more careful in reporting any story, making sure I have the correct facts before I send it out . . . Here is the corrected information: A de Gruy male married a female Foucher. (I am not positive of their names, and so will wait until I have the actual resource in front of me) After marriage they lived for some time on the Foucher Plantation that bordered Walnut Street on one side and Calhoun on the other, with a large section of river front. de Gruy was given or purchased an interest in the plantation and certainly worked it to some degree. So, it is correct to say that a de Gruy owned interest in the Foucher plantation, much of which today is Audubon Park. Therefore, as the primary owner of the Plantaton was, and remained Foucher, that is the name by which one will probably always find it. Notice the Fazende plantations on the other side of the river. Jacques Fazende is the patriarch of the Fazende line that married into the de Gruy family. He certainly had sons, brothers, perhaps. Anway, another little aside, another "allied" family. As to the F.V. de Gruy in St. Tammany Parish, the 1872 (post Civil War) Tax records showed he paid taxes on 94 acres near the Abita River. (found online, under the St. Tammany Parish, LA Genealogy, 1872 Tax List) Again, thanks for sharing the maps. Shelley

These are wonderful maps. It helped jog my memory a lot!! Thank you, Shelley -----Original Message----- From: Degruy List Admin [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:35 PM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: plantation maps Hi All, Just received a wonderful gift from Norm Helmers [LAORLEAN-L] So I'd like to share with you several plantation maps which should show our Degruys.... Renee, There are a few maps that I know about that show the owners of plantations along the Mississippi River. Here they are: Norman's chart of the lower Mississippi River (1858) http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g4042m.ct000765 This map shows a long stretch of the Mississippi River with the plantations named. You can download a MrSID image to examine it in detail. (You need the MrSID viewer, which you can download for free if you don’t have it. Let me know if you need help.) Map of the City and Environs of New Orleans, Prepared Expressly for C. Gardeners City Directory for 1867 (1867) http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/neworleans_maps/1867_new_o rleans_hoen_754k.gif or a somewhat more detailed 1491k pdf image can be downloaded here. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/neworleans_maps/1867_new_o rleans_hoen_1491k.pdf This map shows some plantation owners in the immediate vicinity of New Orleans. (You need the Adobe Acrobat reader to view a pdf file.) There are also historical nautical charts of the Mississippi River available at this Website: http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historicals/histmap.asp Under “Keyword” enter Mississippi River, and select Louisiana under “Region.” Check near the bottom of the results for number 76 (1874). This is a chart that includes the area near New Orleans and shows plantation owners at that date. Number 75 (1875) is upriver of New Orleans. Can you tell me the reference for the map that your friend sent you? This map MIGHT be available online. I don’t have any references for plantation maps of St. Tammany Parish and I think it is unlikely that any are available online. I would contact a historical society in St. Tammany Parish to see if they know of any. (I would be interested in what you learn.) Let me know if you have any difficulties with the maps. Norm Renee, Here's another from Baton Rouge to the Gulf: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/louisiana/statemap/msrbatonrougetogul f1862.jpg >From Library of Congress. Mississippi River-Baton Rouge to Gulf 1862 -- 505k. Published by H. L. Lloyd & Co., New York. From Library of Congress. Norm --- "Renee H. Bennett" <bennettrh@earthlink.net> wrote: Good Morning Norm, Do you happen to know if there are any New Orleans area Mississippi River plantation maps available to be seen online? What about St. Tammany parish plantation maps? A friend sent me a photocopy of one small area along the river, but I also need the area north of what she sent. Thanks for any help you can give.Renee ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Degruy-L, I know that many of us on this list do not live in the Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama & Florida areas. For those of you who do, our thoughts and prayers are you with as this storm approaches. Take care. Renee in St. Louis

Hello DeGruy List! My name is Mari Jayne Gaiennie Burke and my gr grandparents were Alphonse Florestan Gaiennie and Alix Moriere Fazende. Alix's mother was Felicite Estelle Verloin DeGruy. I've not done much on the DeGruy line, so thanks to all of you for your information. And special thanks to Renee for getting this started! I have a picture of a excellent painting of Felicite Estelle Verloin DeGruy, who was a very beautiful woman. If anyone is interested in the picture, I'd be glad to e-mail you a copy. Just send me an e-mail and I'll get it to you. Mari Jayne Gaiennie Burke

Hi All, Just received a wonderful gift from Norm Helmers [LAORLEAN-L] So I'd like to share with you several plantation maps which should show our Degruys.... Renee, There are a few maps that I know about that show the owners of plantations along the Mississippi River. Here they are: Norman's chart of the lower Mississippi River (1858) http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g4042m.ct000765 This map shows a long stretch of the Mississippi River with the plantations named. You can download a MrSID image to examine it in detail. (You need the MrSID viewer, which you can download for free if you don’t have it. Let me know if you need help.) Map of the City and Environs of New Orleans, Prepared Expressly for C. Gardeners City Directory for 1867 (1867) http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/neworleans_maps/1867_new_orleans_hoen_754k.gif or a somewhat more detailed 1491k pdf image can be downloaded here. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/neworleans_maps/1867_new_orleans_hoen_1491k.pdf This map shows some plantation owners in the immediate vicinity of New Orleans. (You need the Adobe Acrobat reader to view a pdf file.) There are also historical nautical charts of the Mississippi River available at this Website: http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historicals/histmap.asp Under “Keyword” enter Mississippi River, and select Louisiana under “Region.” Check near the bottom of the results for number 76 (1874). This is a chart that includes the area near New Orleans and shows plantation owners at that date. Number 75 (1875) is upriver of New Orleans. Can you tell me the reference for the map that your friend sent you? This map MIGHT be available online. I don’t have any references for plantation maps of St. Tammany Parish and I think it is unlikely that any are available online. I would contact a historical society in St. Tammany Parish to see if they know of any. (I would be interested in what you learn.) Let me know if you have any difficulties with the maps. Norm Renee, Here's another from Baton Rouge to the Gulf: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/louisiana/statemap/msrbatonrougetogulf1862.jpg >From Library of Congress. Mississippi River-Baton Rouge to Gulf 1862 -- 505k. Published by H. L. Lloyd & Co., New York. From Library of Congress. Norm --- "Renee H. Bennett" <bennettrh@earthlink.net> wrote: Good Morning Norm, Do you happen to know if there are any New Orleans area Mississippi River plantation maps available to be seen online? What about St. Tammany parish plantation maps? A friend sent me a photocopy of one small area along the river, but I also need the area north of what she sent. Thanks for any help you can give.Renee

Yes, I believe that is where I read the information about the plantation that included part of what today is Audubon Park. In fact, I'm looking through that book right now. It gave the boundaries by today's street names. If it wasn't in the History of the Bouligny family, than it has to be in one of 3 other books. I will find it. It's been several years since I've actively worked on my genealogy and am finding that I didn't catalog things as well as I thought. As soon as I do, I will share with everyone. Shelley -----Original Message----- From: Degruy List [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:48 PM To: Shelley Dedman Cc: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: de Gruys in St. Tammany Parish Yes it has been quiet. As I mentioned, I'm in the middle of my "other" work and it will last for at least 5-6 more weeks.... I wanted to mention that in the long conversation I had with David Perrin last Sunday, he mentioned a Degruy Plantation in the area in/around Mandeville where the Beau Chene [spelling] subdivision is right now. I think Isabel knows about this. In any case, that was the first I had heard about the Degruys across the lake. I knew their plantations had been on both sides of the Mississippi. Was that information on the Audubon Park DeGruy plantation in the History of the Bouligny family? I seem to remember an email floating around with that statement... but I could be wrong... Renee Shelley Dedman wrote: Hello to all - It's been a quiet week for this bunch. I just finished reading a great little history of St.Tammany parish - "St. Tammany Parish - L'Autre Cote Du Lac" by Frederick Ellis. (I must learn a way to include the French, Spanish accent marks in emails) For those of you who do not live in New Orleans, or the area anymore, and have forgotten, and those who have never lived in the area - St.Tammany Parish is across Lake Pontchartrain (the north side of the lake) from New Orleans. It includes places like Covington, Mandeville, etc. So, here is a brief but interesting "story" to add to one's notes about our wonderfully interesting family. My grandmother, Irene Francois Verloin de Gruy, was born in 1895, on her father's (Francois Verloin de Gruy) plantation in Covington, St. Tammany Parish, LA. (Her birth date and those of her siblings are incorrect on the Woods - de Gruy family website) Anyway, Ellis writes of the devastation of St. Tammany Parish as a whole, as a result of the Civil War. In Chapter 17, page 156, he writes: "The most telling statistic on the economic condition of the parish is the wealth of its more affluent citizens. In 1860, there were 27 men in the parish who reported owning property valued at $10,000 or more, including two who were worth $100,000. In 1870, the wealthiest citizen in St. Tammany Parish was F.V. De Gruy, who owned a sawmill, and who was worth only $8,000." Francois Verloin de Gruy was in his 50s when my grandmother and her sister and brother were born. So I have to believe that F.V. De Gruy was indeed the same person. There were several references to familiar family names, including one about the Foucher family, noting on page 63, the names of some of the settlers who came into the area during the Spanish regime. Among them was Antoine Foucher in 1787. One of the earliest settlers of the area was a member of the Aufere family. I think these are the kinds of "history" that add so much to the richness of our family, the entire, expanded family that includes all of us. Now, Renee, I can focus on finding that info about the New Orleans plantation which included parts of Audubon Park. Shelley (Michele)

Yes it has been quiet. As I mentioned, I'm in the middle of my "other" work and it will last for at least 5-6 more weeks.... I wanted to mention that in the long conversation I had with David Perrin last Sunday, he mentioned a Degruy Plantation in the area in/around Mandeville where the Beau Chene [spelling] subdivision is right now. I think Isabel knows about this. In any case, that was the first I had heard about the Degruys across the lake. I knew their plantations had been on both sides of the Mississippi. Was that information on the Audubon Park DeGruy plantation in the History of the Bouligny family? I seem to remember an email floating around with that statement... but I could be wrong... Renee Shelley Dedman wrote: >Hello to all - > >It's been a quiet week for this bunch. I just finished reading a great >little history of St.Tammany parish - "St. Tammany Parish - L'Autre Cote Du >Lac" by Frederick Ellis. (I must learn a way to include the French, Spanish >accent marks in emails) For those of you who do not live in New Orleans, or >the area anymore, and have forgotten, and those who have never lived in the >area - St.Tammany Parish is across Lake Pontchartrain (the north side of the >lake) from New Orleans. It includes places like Covington, Mandeville, etc. > >So, here is a brief but interesting "story" to add to one's notes about our >wonderfully interesting family. > >My grandmother, Irene Francois Verloin de Gruy, was born in 1895, on her >father's (Francois Verloin de Gruy) plantation in Covington, St. Tammany >Parish, LA. (Her birth date and those of her siblings are incorrect on the >Woods - de Gruy family website) Anyway, Ellis writes of the devastation of >St. Tammany Parish as a whole, as a result of the Civil War. In Chapter 17, >page 156, he writes: > > "The most telling statistic on the economic condition of the parish is the >wealth of its more affluent citizens. In 1860, there were 27 men in the >parish who reported owning property valued at $10,000 or more, including two >who were worth $100,000. In 1870, the wealthiest citizen in St. Tammany >Parish was F.V. De Gruy, who owned a sawmill, and who was worth only >$8,000." > >Francois Verloin de Gruy was in his 50s when my grandmother and her sister >and brother were born. So I have to believe that F.V. De Gruy was indeed >the same person. > > There were several references to familiar family names, including one about >the Foucher family, noting on page 63, the names of some of the settlers who >came into the area during the Spanish regime. Among them was Antoine >Foucher in 1787. One of the earliest settlers of the area was a member of >the Aufere family. > >I think these are the kinds of "history" that add so much to the richness of >our family, the entire, expanded family that includes all of us. > >Now, Renee, I can focus on finding that info about the New Orleans >plantation which included parts of Audubon Park. > >Shelley (Michele) > > > > > >

Hello to all - It's been a quiet week for this bunch. I just finished reading a great little history of St.Tammany parish - "St. Tammany Parish - L'Autre Cote Du Lac" by Frederick Ellis. (I must learn a way to include the French, Spanish accent marks in emails) For those of you who do not live in New Orleans, or the area anymore, and have forgotten, and those who have never lived in the area - St.Tammany Parish is across Lake Pontchartrain (the north side of the lake) from New Orleans. It includes places like Covington, Mandeville, etc. So, here is a brief but interesting "story" to add to one's notes about our wonderfully interesting family. My grandmother, Irene Francois Verloin de Gruy, was born in 1895, on her father's (Francois Verloin de Gruy) plantation in Covington, St. Tammany Parish, LA. (Her birth date and those of her siblings are incorrect on the Woods - de Gruy family website) Anyway, Ellis writes of the devastation of St. Tammany Parish as a whole, as a result of the Civil War. In Chapter 17, page 156, he writes: "The most telling statistic on the economic condition of the parish is the wealth of its more affluent citizens. In 1860, there were 27 men in the parish who reported owning property valued at $10,000 or more, including two who were worth $100,000. In 1870, the wealthiest citizen in St. Tammany Parish was F.V. De Gruy, who owned a sawmill, and who was worth only $8,000." Francois Verloin de Gruy was in his 50s when my grandmother and her sister and brother were born. So I have to believe that F.V. De Gruy was indeed the same person. There were several references to familiar family names, including one about the Foucher family, noting on page 63, the names of some of the settlers who came into the area during the Spanish regime. Among them was Antoine Foucher in 1787. One of the earliest settlers of the area was a member of the Aufere family. I think these are the kinds of "history" that add so much to the richness of our family, the entire, expanded family that includes all of us. Now, Renee, I can focus on finding that info about the New Orleans plantation which included parts of Audubon Park. Shelley (Michele)

Please remove my email address from the DeGruy Website. daleducote@aol.com Thanks Dale Ducote

Hi, The NO Public Library sent me a phtocopy of a will.... Vol 2 pg 9-10 for Pierre Duminy Degruy. It's about 11 x 17..... 2/3 in French...... all florid handwriting.... so hard to read because of the French and the script..... Just letting you know.... can't promise to be able to tell you what it says at this point. Renee

Hello, Bob! > Some time back I gave > >David the website and a copy of the genealogy on the DeGruys family in > >Europe taking it back several centuries. What is lacking is Antoine's > >parents names, but his DeGruys grandparents are clearly identified in > >the european work. Would this be the work of J.F. Arnou, or some other website? I agree with you that our immigrant surely comes from the Magny-Fouchard branch of the Verloin family, but I think a couple married in 1639 (Claude deGruy and Jeanne Le Perry) are too old to be his grandparents; they are his greatgrandparents perhaps. If you give me the details of what you have, we can talk about it. > > > >Antoine's names and his children's include the surnames of Antoines > >forbarers as listed in the genealogy on the euroopean website. The > >only surname not shown is Valentine and that would indicate that his > >mother was a Valentine. I have the Valentine genealogy presented when > >the Valentine family applied for their patent of nobility, but > >assuming that his mother was a Valentine, and I feel comfortable with > >that assumption, I do not know where Antoines mothers line enters > >that genealogy. That is a really good assumption, I think, and we should definitely monitor the Valentin research hoping that someone will make a connection. Thanks so much for your contribution and welcome to the list! Ann (born in New Iberia!)

Hi Again Robert, When I spoke with David Perrin over the phone yesterday, he mentioned that you have information about the Verloins? Would this be the Verloins here in the United States or the Verloins in France? I'm assuming that you live in New Orleans, but I might be mistaken. Renee Robert Patout wrote: > Dear Ms. Hotard, > > Thank you for responding. I got your address from David Perrin. My > computer skills do not go much beyond e-mail. Some time back I gave > David the website and a copy of the genealogy on the DeGruys family in > Europe taking it back several centuries. What is lacking is Antoine's > parents names, but his DeGruys grandparents are clearly identified in > the european work. > > Antoine's names and his children's include the surnames of Antoines > forbarers as listed in the genealogy on the euroopean website. The > only surname not shown is Valentine and that would indicate that his > mother was a Valentine. I have the Valentine genealogy presented when > the Valentine family applied for their patent of nobility, but > assuming that his mother was a Valentine, and I feel comfortable with > that assumption, I do not know where Antoines mothers line enters > that genealogy. > > I look forwarr to hearing from you. Sincerely, Bob Patout >

Hello, Robert, I recognize your last name from my own research of the de Gruys. Shelley -----Original Message----- From: Degruy List Admin [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:57 PM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Welcome, Robert Welcome, Robert! We're glad to have you aboard. We had our first month birthday on September 4. So we haven't been functioning very long, but we've accumulated quite a few entries. At your convenience you might want to take a look at our archives to see what messages have been exchanged so far: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DEGRUY/ We look forward to hearing from you. Renee Hotard [Bennett] List Administrator St. Louis Robert Patout wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I am a De Gruys descendant and would like to share in any genealogical information available. > >Thank you, > >Robert B. Patout > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I am certain that church is the town of St. Martinville, parish seat of St. Martin Parish. It is a beautiful church and well preserved. There is a great museum attached to the side. The town is near Lafayette and well worth the drive up there if you are in the neighborhood. The Attapakas were an indian tribe that lived in the area of Acadiana and over into Texas. Carolyn

Welcome, Robert! We're glad to have you aboard. We had our first month birthday on September 4. So we haven't been functioning very long, but we've accumulated quite a few entries. At your convenience you might want to take a look at our archives to see what messages have been exchanged so far: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DEGRUY/ We look forward to hearing from you. Renee Hotard [Bennett] List Administrator St. Louis Robert Patout wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I am a De Gruys descendant and would like to share in any genealogical information available. > >Thank you, > >Robert B. Patout > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > > > >

> "Records in St. Chs. are pretty much land, conveyance and > marriage. Orleans required the recordation of birth and deaths long > before the rural parishes required it. I am positive there are no birth > records in a central registry in St. Charles." > Yes, and the Catholic records burned! That is indeed a great offer and a big help. Thanks, Carolyn! Ann

Dear Degruy-L, One of our "Genealogy Angels," Carolyn Tregre, has offered to do some research for us: in St. Charles Parish and eventually in St. John and St. James. You should be aware that: "Records in St. Chs. are pretty much land, conveyance and marriage. Orleans required the recordation of birth and deaths long before the rural parishes required it. I am positive there are no birth records in a central registry in St. Charles." Please reply to Carolyn off list. Her email is c.tregre@att.net. She will keep a list of the requests and handle them when and as she can. If she gets a lot, she will have to divide them up and do these at different times. We are very lucky to have Carolyn beside us! Renee