Hi All, Below I'm going to share an email I just sent to my kids.....and then I'll explain its significance. Just musing on how strange life is.... When we traveled back and forth from St. Louis to our house in the clearing in Arcadia, little did we realize that we were traveling the same route as your 6 Great Grandfather Antoine Valentin Degruÿsverloin..... who was stationed at Fort de Chartres across the Mississippi from the same general latitude as Bonne Terre.... And when we ate at Rosener's, we were just to the east of what may have been one of the lead mines he operated. His journals talk about traveling in what is now the Bismark area.... west of Rosener's and north of Ironton..... He traveled the area around the confluence of the Big River and the Meramec.... he traveled the headwaters of the St. Francis River...the same river which we drove over to get to the "farm" -- remember the nickname we had for it "Evangeline". His [Grandpere Antoine Valentine Degruÿsverloin's words]: "The following day [April 7, 1743] we crossed that river [i.e. a branch of the St. Francis] on a small raft. At a distance of a musket shot from the bank, my guides told me to dig in and that I would find a vein. I did this and one foot down I found some of the stone or marcasite that is enclosed in the small sacks labeled "St. Antoine's Mine......" [Degruy's narrative continues on...] So he named the area after himself and that helps to identify him even though his name is mispelled as De Guise in the records. The Moody Blues had it right: Isn't life just so very strange!? Mom OK.....explanation I discovered in this article written by Carl J. Ekberg [entitled: "Antoine Valentin de Gruy: Early Missouri Explorer"] that not only is there is in Paris a listing of the soldiers who were sent to Louisiana that may have Antoine's name on it [So a connection between Europe and America --] I've ordered a photocopy and will let you know when it arrives, but there is also a journal written by our GGGGG Grandfather himself! [Now that is really exciting! I've ordered that too... but it will probably be in French, in script, and hard to read.... ] Some of it was translated in Ekberg's article. As I read the portions he included, I began to notice some very familiar geographical references! Our family used to have a little house in a clearing in Arcadia, Missouri, south west of St. Louis by about 2 hours.... [further southwest than where our Valentin was located]. We called it a "farm" which it wasn't and we nicknamed it "Evangeline." We eventually sold it because it was just too far to drive to be economical. Anyway, we'd usually break up the trip there by stopping for smorgasbord at Rosener's in the general vacinity of Bonne Terre [which is pretty directly west of where Antoine was stationed on the other side of the Mississippi]. To the west of Rosener's was a lead mine [near Potosi and maybe one of the several Antoine was working]; further south and west of Farmington was Bismark [mentioned in the article]... and interweaving all through this area is the St. Francois river. Now, perhaps, you can better understand the email.... as well as the weird feeling I get when I realize how very close we were to our Grandfather's travels.... Wonder if he died so young because of all that contact with lead.... the article said he was probably in his 40's. I'll let you know when I get the photocopies of the original documents. Renee

Hi Celine, Well of course I share with you Aufrere but I'm looking at some other possibilities.... My GGG Grandfather, Pierre Simon, was married to Marguerite Emilie Bossie. But his other wife was Marie Azelie Brou..... There is a 1C4R Marie Anaise Brou married to a Drauzine Folse I have some half 2nd cousins named Brue My Stepmother is Norma Comeaux from Schreiver [near Thibadoux] Julia Evelina Boutté was my GG Grandfather Pierre Huxelle's first wife My Half G Uncle, Simon Z Hotard married Blanche Rodrigue Renee

I am (or will be) following these family lines: Aufrere, Bel, Brou, Boasso, Bordes, Boutte, Coroy, Comeau, deGruy, Derbes, Huard, Melancon, Rodriguez and in Illinois: Chard Thanks, Celine

Hello to everyone - I have been out of town on a family matter for the last 3 weeks and just returned home. I am trying to catch up with all busines, but especially our de Gruy list. A lot has been happening I see. I like the idea of the roll call for names - so here are mine: Verloin de Gruy Gaiennie Foucher (Jacques) Fazende Junqua Those are the primary names, Louisiana family, I am researching, but have found alliances with the Villere, Saulet, Aufrere and several other families in my research. I am also researching my father's family but that takes me out of LA into Miss., Wisconsin and Kentucky. The de Gruy family is also well documented as an allied family with the Bouligny family of LA. This is well reported in the book "The History of the Bouligny Family and Allied families" by Fontaine Martin. Also, several allied family names of interest are reported in the book, "St. Tammany Parish - L'Autre Cote Du Lac" by Frederick S. Ellis. A most interesting history of St. Tammany Parish, based on the people who settled there and developed the area. Francois Verloin de Gruy owned a plantation there - from what I have learned it was a saw mill, timber business primarily. Anyway, I am sooo happy to be home and happy to pick back up where I left with my family research. Hope everyone has been doing well. Shelley -----Original Message----- From: Degruy List Admin [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:54 AM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Reveille! Roll Call of Names Hello Silent Degruy List!!! From Renée in St. Louis..... [Also sending this to some affiliated but not subscribed Degruy-L folks] One of my major non-genealogy projects is over. After the next Nov 5-6 weekend, I'll be free [almost totally] to return to family history!!! Since the list has been so quiet for so long and at least two of our members are out of the country for an extended period of time, it occurred to me that we might copycat what LAORLEAN-L list does when their very active and much-larger-than- our-tiny list goes silent. They do a roll call of their members' Louisiana names. Now we have never done that before. We've listed DeGruys that we are looking for.... but we've never listed any of our allied names.... So it has occurred to me that some of us may be linked by more than just one family......and this might be fun to do...... So.........I'll break the ice by listing mine... and I invite everyone else to break the silence and say hello again... by listing yours.....if you so choose to participate! If you received this email and you are not a Degruy but you think you might be linked to an allied name, please jump in. If you are not enrolled in the list, and don't want to be, you can check our archives periodically in order to find everyone's allied names by going to lists on the Degruy website, clicking on Degruy, and then clicking on browse archive; then browse according to chronological search through date. Our last issue was around Oct 19th. Or you can try this link [not sure this will work]: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DEGRUY/ I'm listing my nanes horizontally to save space; although vertically would be clearer. [Wish we had some sort of program so we could enter all our names like this and then pull up matches. But that is getting rather sophisticated!] Looking forward to hearing from ya'll again...... Helpful hint: When you respond, try not to include all our previous messages below your response or this will get to be a mess. In other words, you can hit reply, but then "select all", and hit "delete" before entering your new message. Renee's Louisiana list: Aberton [not sure about this one]/ Aufere / Borne / Bossie / Bourgeois / Brandon [not blood related, but need info on in order for find gg grandmother] Cieutat / Couturier, / Cunningham [Big Block: trying hard to find this one] / Dalma [not sure about this one] / Degruy [Pierre Huxelle Degruy -- [Big Block: trying hard to find info on] / Diederlen [married name: Witzman] / Durand / Engle [Inglar] / Evans [In LA only in 19th c] / Folse / Foucher / Gazano [not sure about this one] / Gendner / Hopf [Posse Doss Hopf -- not sure where correct last name begins!] / Hotard / Le Kintrek [Dupont le Kintrek] / Perret / Porée / Ruth [[Big Block: trying hard to find this one. My G Grandmother, Mary Ruth, may have been related to Adam Ruth] / St. Amand [Daspit de St. Amand] / Saulet / Tregré / Trosclau / Verges / Verloin / Witzman ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This is just a thought. When real property passes from the ownership of one person to another that information is recorded at the Conveyance office. It might be possible to locate some of the succession information from the Conveyance documents--such as who the children were who inherited property and a description of the property. Carolyn Tregre

Greetings Degruy-L Researchers, Regarding Celine's comment..... "I have a conflict of info to reoprt, tho: According to Glenn R. Conrad, St. Charles, Abstracts of the Civil Records of St. Charles Parish, 1700-1803 pg.27 - Marie Therese Aufrere died June 30, 1774 in St. Charles Parish, La. (It is the "inventory of the community property of Joseph Dusiau and his late wife, Therese Aufrere". (The inventory is actually taken on 30 June, she may have passed away the day before.)" ------- We probably need a methodology discussion on how to handle descrepancies.... I also see a possible one with that Pierre Huxelle death info..... Any ideas? Here is where documentation is so important. [AN ASIDE: Documentation is something I did not pay full attention to back in August 2003 when I first began my research [and this despite my academic training - to my shame - :-[ . But honestly, at the time, I didn't have a clue what I was getting myself into....how to locate information... how to properly use the Internet, how to record information so that other genealogists could understand. I also had no clue I would get as far as I did in my research, despite my ignorance. And so, I am always going back to pick up "lost stitches" as I continue to learn] But... back to how to handle discrepancies.... keeping in mind that the more we share our info... the more the discrepancies will appear. [Another Aside: I really need to turn my attention to building a web site, which I have never done. We can have a folder on that for discrepancies.... and put the information there to sit until we can "prove" something one way or the other.Maybe I can start on that this week.] In any case, I welcome a discussion about this topic of discrepancies. I'd suggest we begin by subitting a separate email to the list just on the topic of the Discrepancy...being careful to put "Discrepancy" in the subject heading line... so when we go back to search the archives, we can locate it easily. Then we need to state clearly the discrepancy; e.g., We have a discrepancy in reported death dates for Marie Therese Aufrere. Then we should note which researchers have different information and the sources [if these exist] for the conflicting information. That is a start, at least. Now regarding the discrepancy at hand ... here is my meagre information on the death of Maria Therese Aufrere..... I have, in my notes, 3 separate possibilities for her death date: One bit of information has 21 Feb 1785 [Thelma Coignard has June 1774] another bit has: after Dec 17, 1792 [Thelma has her dying in St. Charles Parish] another bit: LDS has 1774 NOLA Of all this information given, I'd go with whoever has documented information [Celine, I think you have pretty solid documentation, since it comes from a succession reported by Conrad]. Since my 21 Feb 1785 is not documented, I'd include that date as a "discrepancy," but not select it for the main entry. So, I'm going to substitute your date, Celine, in my program. Also, here is where the members of Degruy-L could help us.... Let's have a "Call for Documentation"! Does anyone on the list have a death certificate for Maria Therese Aufrere? Or any other kind of "official" documentation [such as a photocopy of Marie Therese's succession] that could help us to settle this matter and solve the discepancy? Just some of my thoughts about this discrepancy issue.... Anyone want to contribute to this discussion? Renee

No! I haven't seen the info on Marie Maturine. This is great! I noticed the name LaLande - Antoine and his mother-in-law bought the windmill from Jean Baptiste LaLande... brother maybe??? I have a conflict of info to reoprt, tho: According to Glenn R. Conrad, St. Charles, Abstracts of the Civil Records of St. Charles Parish, 1700-1803 pg.27 - Marie Therese Aufrere died June 30, 1774 in St. Charles Parish, La. (It is the "inventory of the community property of Joseph Dusiau and his late wife, Therese Aufrere". (The inventory is actually taken on 30 June, she may have passed away the day before.) By the way, I own the above mentioned book and would be happy to do lookups. Celine ----- Original Message ----- From: Degruy List Admin <degruylist@earthlink.net> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:22 am Subject: more on Aufrere > Did you have this, Celine? It comes from Gerry Freyder and Ann > Voorhies: > His [Antoine's] wife's parents were Francois "Antoine" d'Aufrere, > born > about 1695 in Paris, France, and Marie Maturine Guillemot dit La > Lande, > born September 9, 1696 in Quebec, Canada. Her parents both died in > New > Orleans. > > From Gerry Freyder who says that Marie Therese must have lived > past > December 17, 1792 since she is present a the baptism of Julia > Delphine > Verloin de Gruy. The godparents were Juan Bautista De Gruy > [possibly her > son] and Maria Theresa Aufrere, natives of Dauphine in France. > > from Ann Voorhies > Don Pedro Domeni > Son of Don Juan Bautista Benloin [Verloin, I bet] Degruys and > Dona Maria Theresa Offre [there's another letter after the e, but > I > can't read... whole thing is hard to read] > Age 57 years. > Died Sept 27, 1813 > Yes, this one is in the NOSR, vol. 11. It says he's a bachelor, > native > and resident of this parish (St. Louis), but it's questionable > where all > these children were actually born. Maybe Illinois. > > Renee > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Welcome, Michelle! Delighted to have you aboard. Are you researching anyone in particular? Do you already have some family tree history accumulated - either as the result of your own research or a "tree" that might have been given you by your parents or grandparents? Any information, however slight, is always of value. Right now Degruy-L has about 15-20 participants, either active or "lurking." As I mentioned, the list has been quite silent lately.... partially due to my own involvement with non genealogy work and partly because some of the other members are on extended trips out of the country. What we were doing with the roll call of names was just listing the various names in our heritages and letting people know should they share similar surnames. I was personally quite excited to hear that your GGrandfather was Pierre Huxelle DeGruy..... as Pierre Huxelle is also my Great Grandfather... [although I'm still trying to prove it] ... so meeting you online is a major breakthrough for me.... Here's the big question... who was your Pierre Huxelle married to? In my records he was married first to Julie Eveline [or Julia Evelina] Boutte. Together, according to my records... but this could easily be incorrect, they had Oscar Verloin, James Joseph, Amanda Louise, and Joseph Adolf. When Julie died 28 Feb 1862, Pierre remarried Marie Cecilia Cunningham, my GGrandmother, about whom I know next to nothing..... except that before she married Pierre, she had been married to a Paul A. Brandon and had some children with him. In fact of the children listed in thc census of Pierre and Mary, I suspect that only one was their mutual child: Albert Joseph, my Grandfather who married Marie Ruth [still know nothing about her parents, though I think she was related to an Adam Ruth: desperate for info on this line] ....At this point I think I'll stop and copy below a little essay I wrote the last time I was in New Orleans. I do this periodically when I have a great stumbling block. It helps to focus me..... So I hope you'll bear with me... If any of this makes any sense, please let me know. I've been struggling with it for so long, I'm fairly worn out! By the way, I'm now living in St. Louis, Where are you? Looking forward to hearing from you, either on list or off. Renee ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- I discovered today the marriage date of Pedro Degruy and Marie Cecilia Cunningham Brandon which was 11 May 1867. This is significant because it means that of the children listed to Peter and Mary in the 1870 census, only one was their child together.... my Grandfather, Albert Joseph. The other children: Ida, Malvina, and Louise were probably Brandons. [But where were Pierre Huxelle's children with Julie Evelina Boutte DeGruy at this point in time? All grown and out of the house?] If not, why don't they show up in the census? I also discovered the death date for Mary's former husband, Paul A. Brandon, which was: Now have his obit [10-13-04 andiits from the D P 9-10-1865 p. 4 c. 2.... It reads: On the 29 April 1865, ? the Confederate [La] Hospital in Richmond Va, Paul Brandon. native of Louisiana, aged ? years. He died of disease contracted while serving in the Southern Army, 5th Louisiana Regiment. So all the children other than Albert Joseph were Mary Cunningham Brandon and Paul A Brandon's. Only Albert Joseph belonged to Peter and Mary together. Again, Peter probably had other children from his previous marriage. I need to get this straightened out. So.... Brandon dies in 1865. Peter and Mary get married in 1867. They have Albert Joseph in 1870. And Peter dies in 1883. [By the way, Mary is quite a bit younger [20+ years] than Pierre when they marry The question still remains.... when did Mary Cunningham Brandon DeGruy die? Was there a succession? Did she remarry? And who is the Pierre Huxelle who some websites have dying in Mobile? [Eric Oden's web site says this about Pierre Huxelle: My death certificate for him has him dying in New Orleans. According to OGDEN'S website Pierre Huxelle Pierre Huxelle DeGruy, born 23 February 1885 in Point Clear, Baldwin Co., AL; died 14 December 1950 in Mobile, Mobile Co., AL; married Marguerite Young; died Unknown.] Big question? Who is this Pierre Huxelle in relation to the Pierre Huxelle I have a death certificate for as dying in New Orleans? Who is the mother of the Pierre Huxelle who died in Mobile????? If these are two separate Pierre Huxelles, then this will be only the second time I've seen that Huxelle name. So.... Peter and Julia Eveline Boutté had Oscar Verloin, James Joseph, Amanda Louise and Joseph Adolf. Mary and Paul Brandon had: Ida, Malvina and Louise Mary and Peter had Albert Joseph.....and if anyone else, I don't know. When Peter and Mary were married these were the ages of Pierre's children with Julia: Oscar Verloin was 27, James Joseph was 23, Amanda Louise was 21 and Joseph Adolf was 17. When Peter and Mary were married: Ida was 8, Malvina was 6 and Louise was 5. So living in the house might have been 4 children....probably the two older were married... or could have been living in grandparents home. Clearly in the 1870 census [and only 2 years into the marriage] only 4 kids were living at home.... By this time Joseph Adolf would have been 19. Now here's something interesting... while looking through marriage applications, I found one in which P H DeGruy and Adam Ruth say theat they are well acquainted with L. Stephens and Catherine Finnegan who are applying for a marriage license and that no legal impediments exist.... so Ruth and Degruy signatures appear together on this May 1867 document. This may be a clue as to my GGrandmother's identity....So, now I have to figure out if this is how Degruy linked up to Ruth so that Mary Ruth married Albert Degruy... Let's try to figure this out. Albert DeGruy married Mary Ruth. Albert Degruy's Father was P H Degruy. Mary Ruth's father was ???? who.... Could it have been Adam Ruth? [I had had John Ruth but am told that is incorrect].... How can I get this straightened out? What are Adam Ruth's dates..... And here is a BIG question.... when Pierre Huxelle dies he is listed on the death certificate as Pierre Huxelle. And yet when Pierre is born, the name Huxelle does not appear on his baptismal certificate [I don't have his birth record, just his baptismal certificate]..... So where does that Huxelle come from? I don't see it in any other DeGruy genealogy anywhere. FYI, I have Pedro Degruys Verloin et St. Amand [how he's listed on the baptismal certificate... In another place he's listed as Pedro Verloin DeGruy]. Here's how his baptismal certificate reads: This is to certify that Pedro Degruys Verloin y St. Amand, Child of Pedro Degruys Verloin and Aselia St. Amand, both natives and residents of this parish, Born on the 12 of March 1817 at [not stated] Baptized on the 26th of January 1818 at St. Louis Cathedral. According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church by the Rev. Antonio de Sedella, the Sponsors being Joseph Verloin "el joven"; Cesaria St. Amand. A true and exact extract from the Baptismal Registers of St. Louis Cathedral which are now in the Archives of the Archdiocese of New Orleans Vol Marriage Bk3 Page 169 B Act No 562 1803-1821 certified by Jack Belsom Date 19 July 2004 Regarding the Huxelle question, David Perrin got this from a book, but can't remember which book, so I don't know quite what to do with it: David Perrin has Huxelle = Nicolas du Blé, Maréchal D' ... est apple au conseil sous le ministere du Cardinal de Fleur. David says maybe it has something to do with his being a "constable". Pierre is listed as a constable in the census and also in the 1861 Gardiner City Directory, which has him living at 419 Franklin. One other thing.... the succession for the widow of Pierre H. Degruy... who must be Julie Eveline.... has gone missing. I'm told by Irene at NOPL that there is no hope of finding it. Rita Curry Pittman says that sometimes one succession is tucked inside another and that I should track down the succession of each of the children of Pierre and Julie and that maybe it will be found there. This is my note about the succession and it gives the record locator: "10-13-04 Tried to find the succession of Pierre H, wife of 30, 105 which is found in the General Index of All Successions 1846-1888 but the card was missing and the librarian said that she didn't think it exists anywhere. This is devastating. "

Did you have this, Celine? It comes from Gerry Freyder and Ann Voorhies: His [Antoine's] wife's parents were Francois "Antoine" d'Aufrere, born about 1695 in Paris, France, and Marie Maturine Guillemot dit La Lande, born September 9, 1696 in Quebec, Canada. Her parents both died in New Orleans. From Gerry Freyder who says that Marie Therese must have lived past December 17, 1792 since she is present a the baptism of Julia Delphine Verloin de Gruy. The godparents were Juan Bautista De Gruy [possibly her son] and Maria Theresa Aufrere, natives of Dauphine in France. from Ann Voorhies Don Pedro Domeni Son of Don Juan Bautista Benloin [Verloin, I bet] Degruys and Dona Maria Theresa Offre [there's another letter after the e, but I can't read... whole thing is hard to read] Age 57 years. Died Sept 27, 1813 Yes, this one is in the NOSR, vol. 11. It says he's a bachelor, native and resident of this parish (St. Louis), but it's questionable where all these children were actually born. Maybe Illinois. Renee

I have found several referances to the purchase Renee mentions below. By far, the most extensive documentation came from the book "The Village of Chartes in Colonial Illinois 1720-1765" (e. Margaret Kimball Brown and Lawrie Cena Dean.) This book is an accumulation of numerous records of the period taken mostly, but not wholely, from St Anne's church records. Following is a translation of a land record from the Randolph County Archives, one of the other sources in this book. Note the info on Marie Aufrere's mother - finding this source allowed me to jump back one more generation (needless to say, I was jumping for joy.) ----- "Was present Jean Baptiste Lalande, residing in this town of Kaskaskia, parish of the Immaculate Conception, and Dame Charlotte Marchand his wife authorized by him to the effect of the presents, who have acknowledged to have sold, ceded, quitted, conveyed and left, now and forever, and promised to warrant against all troubles, debts, dowers, mortgages, evictions, substitutions and all other incubrances, whichever generally, unto Dame Maturine Guilmot, wife of Aufrere, merchant in New Orleans, parish of St. Louis, therein residing, trading seperately, now in this town of Kaskaskia and Mr. Antoine Valentin De Gruyverloin, Lord Dumenil-fouchard, Ecuyer De lafolie, officier of a company of infantry detatched from the Marine garrison in Ilinois, residing in this town of Kaskaskia, parish aforesaid, here present and accepting acquirers for themselves, their heirs and assigns, one windmill situate in Fort de Chartres, with the lot belonging thereto, and such as said mill stands wit h its sails, cables, iron levers and the well, which is to be finished by Gossiaux, who is paid to do it, in providing the workmen with material and boarding, and such as the whole stands and lies, with which said acquirers declare to be satisfied, without reserving or retaining anything on the part of said venders, to whom said mill and lot belong, as having had said mill built and the lot as having been conceded by Mr. Le Chevalier de Berter, Commandant in Illinois and Delaloere Flancour, Commissary in said place by request of (blank in ms.) undersigned by them; the whole being of the King's domain and up to this day free from any charge, rent or dues, to be enjoyed and disposed of by said Dame Maturine Guillmot d'Aufrere and De Gruyverloin, their heirs and assigns, as things unto them belonging from this day. This sale is thus made for the sum of three thousand in bonds of the King's treasure and thirteen humdred pounds of flour, which thirteen hundred pounds of flour sai d venders acknowledge to have received from said acquirers, of which they are satisfied and quit them, and the three thousand livres in bonds said Dame Aurfere promises to pay unto said Lalande; saving recourse for one-half against De Gruyverloin her son-in-law, to whom she gives by the presents a delay of two years to repay the same to her, to wit: two thousand one hundred livres on this day and which said venders consider as presently paid and quit said acquirer and all others, and for the nine himdred remaining livres, said Dame Aufrere promises and binds herself, to pay unto said Lalande at their residence in this town one month after arrival of the convoy and not later under the penalty of all costs, damages and interests, under the pledge and mortgage of all their property real and personal, both present and future; the mill presently sold remaining by privilege especially bound and mortgaged for said payment, one obligation not doing away with the other. Conveying by s aid venders unto said acquirers all rights of property, names, reasons, actions and others, which they have or may have on said mill, hereby sold, divesting themselves thereof for the benefit of them, their heirs and assigns, willing that they may be seized and put in possession by whom it may pertain, appointing to that effect as their attorney the bearer of the presents giving him full power, promising said venders to deliver up the papers and titles, which they have concerning said mill and lot. For this has been agreed between the parties, who for the execution of their presents and dependencies have appointed their domicile in their residence aforesaid. Promising, binding, Renouncing. Done and executed in Kaskaskia, in my office, in the year 1748, the 13th day of March in the afternoon, in presence of Jean Baptiste Robitaille and Jerome Matis, witnesses, residing in said place, who have signed the presents with the parties and Notaty, after reading. (Receipt for payment follows.) Lalande; Maturine Guilmot; F. Aufrere; De Gruyverloin; Charlotte Marchand; Matis, Robitaille; Barrois Notary." ------ Now - who is "F. Aufrere"? (Possible Marie Therese's brother Francois?) I find it fascinating that Dame Aufrere is able to enter into property transactions - and that she is fronting money to her son-in-law. An earlier transaction (4 Apr 1746) describes a house (with a stable and barn) that our Antoine sold to Mr. Duclos. The record says Antoine had purchased the house (on Royal St., Fort de Chartes) on 20 March 1742. Celine ----- Original Message ----- From: Degruy List Admin <degruylist@earthlink.net> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:20 am Subject: Illinois genealogy locations > Here are two sites which you can visit in order to get a feel for > some > locations where DeGruy ancestors lived: > Fort De Chartres and Kaskaskia..... Books written on both.... Our > Antoine Valentine DeGruÿsverloin Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Ecuyer de > la > Foilie, Duc of Parma [Parme] appears in one such article..... He > was > stationed at Fort De Chartres and lived nearby with Marie Therese > Aufrere.Below the web site links is part of a note that I have > about Antoine > > http://state.il.us/hpa/hs/Kaskaskia.htm > > and > > http://www.state.il.us/hpa/hs/DeChartres.htm > <" target="l">http://www.state.il.us/hpa/hs/DeChartres.htm> > > > Enjoy! > > Renée > > > His death occurred about that time, between July and September > 1759, > according to local historian and genealogist Sidney Louis Villere. > On > March 13, 1748, he purchased, along with his mother-in-law, > Maturine > Guilmot, a windmill at Fort Chartres. [Illinois] He resided there > at the > time. The transaction said: Lieutenant des troupes de la marine, > Lord > Dumenil - Fouchard, Ecuyer, de la Folie, Officer of a company of > infantry detached from the marine garrisoned in Illinois, residing > in > this town of Kaskaskia". On March 8, 1751, upon the birth record > of his > son Jean Baptiste, he was listed as an "Officer of the naval > troops in > this colony, a native of Paris". On October 15, 1752, he was a > lieutenant. > >

Go to this site and you will find one of our relatives... http://www.randolphcountyillinois.net/sub23.htm Feb 18, 1760 Mon. Dussault de la CROIX, officer of the troops, son of Dussault, chevalier of the order of St. Louis, major of the town of Gap in Dauphine, and Dame Marie Freancoise BOREL, to Dame Marie Therese AUFRERE, widow of Antoine de GRUYS, lieutenant of the troops of the marine, with Macarty's permission. One bann. Enjoy! Renee

Here are two sites which you can visit in order to get a feel for some locations where DeGruy ancestors lived: Fort De Chartres and Kaskaskia..... Books written on both.... Our Antoine Valentine DeGruÿsverloin Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Ecuyer de la Foilie, Duc of Parma [Parme] appears in one such article..... He was stationed at Fort De Chartres and lived nearby with Marie Therese Aufrere. Below the web site links is part of a note that I have about Antoine http://state.il.us/hpa/hs/Kaskaskia.htm and http://www.state.il.us/hpa/hs/DeChartres.htm <http://www.state.il.us/hpa/hs/DeChartres.htm> Enjoy! Renée His death occurred about that time, between July and September 1759, according to local historian and genealogist Sidney Louis Villere. On March 13, 1748, he purchased, along with his mother-in-law, Maturine Guilmot, a windmill at Fort Chartres. [Illinois] He resided there at the time. The transaction said: Lieutenant des troupes de la marine, Lord Dumenil - Fouchard, Ecuyer, de la Folie, Officer of a company of infantry detached from the marine garrisoned in Illinois, residing in this town of Kaskaskia". On March 8, 1751, upon the birth record of his son Jean Baptiste, he was listed as an "Officer of the naval troops in this colony, a native of Paris". On October 15, 1752, he was a lieutenant.

Hello Silent Degruy List!!! From Renée in St. Louis..... [Also sending this to some affiliated but not subscribed Degruy-L folks] One of my major non-genealogy projects is over. After the next Nov 5-6 weekend, I'll be free [almost totally] to return to family history!!! Since the list has been so quiet for so long and at least two of our members are out of the country for an extended period of time, it occurred to me that we might copycat what LAORLEAN-L list does when their very active and much-larger-than- our-tiny list goes silent. They do a roll call of their members' Louisiana names. Now we have never done that before. We've listed DeGruys that we are looking for.... but we've never listed any of our allied names.... So it has occurred to me that some of us may be linked by more than just one family......and this might be fun to do...... So.........I'll break the ice by listing mine... and I invite everyone else to break the silence and say hello again... by listing yours.....if you so choose to participate! If you received this email and you are not a Degruy but you think you might be linked to an allied name, please jump in. If you are not enrolled in the list, and don't want to be, you can check our archives periodically in order to find everyone's allied names by going to lists on the Degruy website, clicking on Degruy, and then clicking on browse archive; then browse according to chronological search through date. Our last issue was around Oct 19th. Or you can try this link [not sure this will work]: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DEGRUY/ I'm listing my nanes horizontally to save space; although vertically would be clearer. [Wish we had some sort of program so we could enter all our names like this and then pull up matches. But that is getting rather sophisticated!] Looking forward to hearing from ya'll again...... Helpful hint: When you respond, try not to include all our previous messages below your response or this will get to be a mess. In other words, you can hit reply, but then "select all", and hit "delete" before entering your new message. Renee's Louisiana list: Aberton [not sure about this one]/ Aufere / Borne / Bossie / Bourgeois / Brandon [not blood related, but need info on in order for find gg grandmother] Cieutat / Couturier, / Cunningham [Big Block: trying hard to find this one] / Dalma [not sure about this one] / Degruy [Pierre Huxelle Degruy -- [Big Block: trying hard to find info on] / Diederlen [married name: Witzman] / Durand / Engle [Inglar] / Evans [In LA only in 19th c] / Folse / Foucher / Gazano [not sure about this one] / Gendner / Hopf [Posse Doss Hopf -- not sure where correct last name begins!] / Hotard / Le Kintrek [Dupont le Kintrek] / Perret / Porée / Ruth [[Big Block: trying hard to find this one. My G Grandmother, Mary Ruth, may have been related to Adam Ruth] / St. Amand [Daspit de St. Amand] / Saulet / Tregré / Trosclau / Verges / Verloin / Witzman

Here is a link for a Civil Record lawsuit ... J. Rouzan v. Degruy, 1805 http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/lapur&CISOPTR=1018 <http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/lapur&CISOPTR=1018>

One possible explanation for the missing children in the succession is that they died before the parents or died without issue (children). Louisiana's forced heirship laws would require for grandchildren to inherit their deceased mother/father's share of grandma/pa's estate. So glad you found the Clerk's office--That is where all the good stuff is hidden. Carolyn

Through purchase and through a gift from one of my Durand cousins, I now have the following research tools available for our use. [If anyone has at home copies of various issues of New Orleans Genesis and would be available to do look ups for Degruy-L members, please let us know]. New Orleans Genesis Index: Vol 1 [for issues 1,2,3,4] Vol II. [5,6,7,8] Vol. III [9.10.11.12] Vol. IV [13,14,15,16] Vol. V [17, 18, 19, 20] Vol. VI [21,22,23.24] Vol. VII [25,26,27,28] 2 Issues of NO Genesis itself Vol XXIX January and October nos 113, 116 1 Issue of L'Heritage [St. Bernard Genealogical Society] Vol 11 No 8 Sept 1979 1 issue of The Louisiana Genealogical Register [La Genealogical & Historical Society] Vol XLIII No 4 December 1996 and Index 3 issues of Les Voyageurs [German-Acadian Coast Historical and Genealogical Society Vol XV No 2 June 1994 Vo. XVIII No 2, 3 June and Sept of 1997 6 issues of La Raconteur [Le Comité des Archives de la Louisiane from Archives & Records Building in Baton Rouge] Vol X nos 3, 4 Vol XV, No. 1, 2, 3, 4 Vol XVI, No 1 Vol XXIV, No 3 I can do look ups, as time permits. Also when my "other than genealogy" work lets up sometime in November, I will start to go through these various journals and let you know if I come up with anything interesting. Renee

There seems to be some confusion about the number of kids here. I'm going to put out what I have and you all can check your records. Let's see if we can figure this out. The document says: besides your Petitioner, nine children of full age and two grand children [by the way the Harang succession for the two grandchildren is separate and stuck inside this succession [ I did not copy it]. So that means Paul [who filed the document] and Clementine [who is dead but her children are heirs]... so really 11 children being accounted for. However I have others. I have a Josephina, a Maria Estella [not the same as Felicite Estelle] and a Thomas Antiomio. Presumably these have died before their mother. Here is what I have on these missing ones: ANOSR Vol 17 [Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records] Josephina [Joseph and Maria Eloisa Saulet, both natives and residents of this city], b. Jul 20, 1826, bn Jan 29, 1824, pgp Joseph Verloin Degruy and Mariana Couturier, mgp. Thomas Saulet and Maria Theresa Pery, s. Estevan Degruy and Maria Laura Verloin... SLC, B36, 204. ANOSR Vol. 17 [1826-1827] Died .. did not marry ANOSR vol 20 pg 435 “Maria Estella [Joseph and Maria Saulet, natives and residents of this city’, b. Feb 17, 1812, bn Apr 2, 1811, pgp, Joseph Verloin and Mariana Couturier, mgp. Thomas Saulet and Maria Theresa Pery, s. Joseph Verloin, infant’s paternal grandfather and Maria Theresa Pery, infant’s maternal grandmother [SLC, B25, 9] Died ... did not marry In Sacramental Records “Thomas Antimio [Joseph and Maria Eloisa Saulet, [both] natives and residents of this city], b. Jan 25, 1819, pgp. Joseph Degruys and Mariana Couturier, mgp. Thomas Saulet and Maria Theresa Pery, s. Francisco Verloin Degruys and Maria Laura Verloin Degruys.... SLC, B31, 47] ANOSR VOL 13 1818-1819 Additionally, I have the birth order of the children different than the way they are listed in the succession.... [though the succession does not claim to be listing the heirs in order of birth. I'll give the names in the order I have [plus varying spellings]. For many of these I have the ANOSR records along with occasional notations from David Perrin [Marie] Laure Verloin Francois Verloin Virginie [Virginia] Verloin Estelle [Maria Estella] Verloin [Joseph] Theophile Verloin Pablo Emilio Verloin Anthyme/ Anthime /Enthime Verloin Thomas Antimio Verloin Felicite Estelle Verloin [Louis] Camil/ Camille Verloin Josephina Verloin Margarita Clementine Verloin Jule [Cesar] Verloin Corinne Verloin If anyone has any corrections, additions, comments.... feel free to jump in. I suggest your making for your personal records another Degruy-L folder... for this family....Eventually we'll put it on a website.... Renee Degruy List Admin wrote: > Obtained from the Clerk of Courts of Jefferson Parish in Gretna 3 > pages of this succession today... here is a transcript of a portion of > those pages > Third District Court: 3 J.D.C. > Succession of the late Marie Heloise Saulet, dec'd wife of Jos. > Verloin Degruy > Petetion of P Emil Verloin DeGruy for ? of Administration & for Inventory > Filed May 7th 1849 > To the honorable the District Court in and for the Third District of > the State of Louisiana. The petition of Paul Emil Verloin DeGruy who > resides in the parish of Jefferson, district aforesaid. Respectfully > sheweth: > That your Petitioner’s mother, the late Marie Heloise Saulet widow of > Joseph Verloin DeGruy departed this life in said parish of Jefferson, > on the first May 1849, having, besides your Petitioner, nine children > of full age and two grand children who are still minors, as her only > presumptive [can’t read] theirs, viz: Francois Verloin > DeGruy;Theophile Verloin DeGruy; Anthyme Verloin DeGruy; Camil Verloin > DeGruy; Jules Verloin DeGruy; Laure Verloin Degruy, wife of Etienne > DeGruy; Virginie Verloin DeGruy, wife of Paul Jules Fazende; Corinne > Verloin DeGruy, wife of Gustave Jacquet; Estelle Verloin DeGruy wife > of Francois Fazende, and Clemence and Clementine Harang, heirs of the > said deceased by representation of their mother the late Clementine > Verloin Degruy, deceased wife of Louis Alexandre Harang...... > > Background: > Joseph Verloin Degruy [husband of Marie Heloise Saulet] was the son of > Joseph Verloin Degruy [Degruys] and Marie Anne CouturierHis father, > Joseph was the son of Antoine Valentin Degruys Verloin and Marie > Therese Aufrere.... > Joseph Verloin Degruy [husband of Marie Heloise Saulet] had the > following siblings: > Marie Hortense, Pierre [Pedro] Dufouchard, Francois-Joseph Dufouchard, > Duminic Verloin, Maria del Carmen Elvira, Julia Delphina, Leonida, > and Antoine Dufouchard Verloin. > Please let me know if you have any changes to this lineup. > > Renee > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Well, everyone might want to know that on 4th Street in Gretna... not too far from the new Jefferson Parish municipal buildings there is a tiny little house set back with limited parking... but I've always found a spot .... called Clerk of Court.... I have now been there twice and each time found stuff I've never been able to find anywhere else. Easiest to use are the probate court books.... big heavy books. You look up your entries, write them on a card, pass them through a glass window. The office workers find the succession, pass them back to you... You fold over the pages you want copied. Pass them back. And they do the photo copying. $1 per page $2... if you want them certified. These successions can be hundreds of pages long, so most people just look for the judgments which tend to be towards the end. So the beginning and end tend to have the names involved. This is why I only got a few of the pages. Had I gotten them all, I'm sure it would have cost me at least $25 and I didn't want to spend that much, as I had lots of folks to look up. There are a lot of DeGruys and a lot of other associated family names. They also have some marriage indices and contract books, some criminal court record [though these tend to be later], some plaintiff and some defendant suits.... there are Degruys in these too, but I've never had time to go through them. I'm sure I could spend an entire day there. Back in St Louis I have a business card with the address, although I can look it up here if you want it sooner. I'm going to try to get the the New Orleans equivalent of this place this visit if I can. Hope this helps. Renee Neil & Celine wrote: >This is the lineage I have, Renee. >Paul Emile is my direct line, so its great seeing his name mentioned. >If you can send me the info on where you found this document, I'll write off >for it as well. Once I get it, I'll post it on my web site. > >Celine >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Degruy List Admin" <degruylist@earthlink.net> >To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:23 PM >Subject: Succession of Marie Heloise Saulet wife of Joseph Verloin Degruy > > > > >>Obtained 3 pages of this succession today... here is a transcript of a >>portion of those pages >>Third District Court: 3 J.D.C. >>Succession of the late Marie Heloise Saulet, dec'd wife of Jos. Verloin >>Degruy >>Petetion of P Emil Verloin DeGruy for ? of Administration & for Inventory >>Filed May 7th 1849 >>To the honorable the District Court in and for the Third District of the >>State of Louisiana. The petition of Paul Emil Verloin DeGruy who resides >>in the parish of Jefferson, district aforesaid. Respectfully sheweth: >>That your Petitioner’s mother, the late Marie Heloise Saulet widow of >>Joseph Verloin DeGruy departed this life in said parish of Jefferson, on >>the first May 1849, having, besides your Petitioner, nine children of >>full age and two grand children who are still minors, as her only >>presumptive [can’t read] theirs, viz: Francois Verloin DeGruy;Theophile >>Verloin DeGruy; Anthyme Verloin DeGruy; Camil Verloin DeGruy; Jules >>Verloin DeGruy; Laure Verloin Degruy, wife of Etienne DeGruy; Virginie >>Verloin DeGruy, wife of Paul Jules Fazende; Corinne Verloin DeGruy, wife >>of Gustave Jacquet; Estelle Verloin DeGruy wife of Francois Fazende, and >>Clemence and Clementine Harang, heirs of the said deceased by >>representation of their mother the late Clementine Verloin Degruy, >>deceased wife of Louis Alexandre Harang...... >> >>Background: >>Joseph Verloin Degruy [husband of Marie Heloise Saulet] was the son of >>Joseph Verloin Degruy [Degruys] and Marie Anne CouturierHis father, >>Joseph was the son of Antoine Valentin Degruys Verloin and Marie Therese >>Aufrere.... >>Joseph Verloin Degruy [husband of Marie Heloise Saulet] had the >>following siblings: >>Marie Hortense, Pierre [Pedro] Dufouchard, Francois-Joseph Dufouchard, >>Duminic Verloin, Maria del Carmen Elvira, Julia Delphina, Leonida, >>and Antoine Dufouchard Verloin. >>Please let me know if you have any changes to this lineup. >> >>Renee >> >> >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> > > > >

Obtained 3 pages of this succession today... here is a transcript of a portion of those pages Third District Court: 3 J.D.C. Succession of the late Marie Heloise Saulet, dec'd wife of Jos. Verloin Degruy Petetion of P Emil Verloin DeGruy for ? of Administration & for Inventory Filed May 7th 1849 To the honorable the District Court in and for the Third District of the State of Louisiana. The petition of Paul Emil Verloin DeGruy who resides in the parish of Jefferson, district aforesaid. Respectfully sheweth: That your Petitioner’s mother, the late Marie Heloise Saulet widow of Joseph Verloin DeGruy departed this life in said parish of Jefferson, on the first May 1849, having, besides your Petitioner, nine children of full age and two grand children who are still minors, as her only presumptive [can’t read] theirs, viz: Francois Verloin DeGruy;Theophile Verloin DeGruy; Anthyme Verloin DeGruy; Camil Verloin DeGruy; Jules Verloin DeGruy; Laure Verloin Degruy, wife of Etienne DeGruy; Virginie Verloin DeGruy, wife of Paul Jules Fazende; Corinne Verloin DeGruy, wife of Gustave Jacquet; Estelle Verloin DeGruy wife of Francois Fazende, and Clemence and Clementine Harang, heirs of the said deceased by representation of their mother the late Clementine Verloin Degruy, deceased wife of Louis Alexandre Harang...... Background: Joseph Verloin Degruy [husband of Marie Heloise Saulet] was the son of Joseph Verloin Degruy [Degruys] and Marie Anne CouturierHis father, Joseph was the son of Antoine Valentin Degruys Verloin and Marie Therese Aufrere.... Joseph Verloin Degruy [husband of Marie Heloise Saulet] had the following siblings: Marie Hortense, Pierre [Pedro] Dufouchard, Francois-Joseph Dufouchard, Duminic Verloin, Maria del Carmen Elvira, Julia Delphina, Leonida, and Antoine Dufouchard Verloin. Please let me know if you have any changes to this lineup. Renee

I was looking at the LDS site today and entered a search for "St. Charles Parish, Louisiana" and the following topics came up. I know there are listers here who are searching for early degruys here and there might be someting of interest to them on this list. I believe this would indicate that LDS has microfilm records for these topics. I am trying to get some genie people here interested in doing inventories for the local cemeteries. I will be watching for names of interest to this list if we take on this project. Place Louisiana, St. Charles Notes Saint Charles Parish was created in 1807 Topics Louisiana, St. Charles - Archives and libraries - Inventories, registers, catalogs Louisiana, St. Charles - Census - 1804 Louisiana, St. Charles - Church records Louisiana, St. Charles - Court records Louisiana, St. Charles - Court records - Indexes Louisiana, St. Charles - Genealogy Louisiana, St. Charles - Genealogy - Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775 Louisiana, St. Charles - Genealogy - Periodicals Louisiana, St. Charles - Guardianship Louisiana, St. Charles - Land and property Louisiana, St. Charles - Probate records Louisiana, St. Charles - Public records Louisiana, St. Charles - Slavery and bondage Louisiana, St. Charles - Vital records Louisiana, St. Charles - Vital records - Newspapers Carolyn Tregre