Greetings, I arrived home from visiting Washinton State for the first birthday of my littlest grandchild.... late Monday and left by 7 am Tuesday for a driving trip to Champaign Urbana to take digital photos of our Ancestor Antoine Valentin Degruÿsverloin's journal.... Had never used a digital before so the photos may be useless. Still have to work with them. Will let you know if I am successful. I had obtained photocopies from them but the quality was so poor as to make translation most difficult. They have a very poor copy machine there.... too bad. While there the librarian told me about two people doing research on Fort De Chartres and Kaskaskia: Robert de Berardinis and Winston de Ville. So, I suggest you check out the following site: www.provincialpress.us <http://www.provincialpress.us/> I was delighted to find the elusive: Vaudreuil Papers there as well as The Village of Chartres. Now I have to wait to be able to afford them!!!! I also had a shock... when I returned to St. Louis, a record was waiting for me from the Archdiocese which said : Marriage Certificate reads: This is to certify that Albert DeGruy of New Orleans, son of Henry De Gruy and Mary Cunningham and Mary Ruth, of New Orleans, daughter of John Ruth and Pauline Herzog were lawfully Married on the 12th day of June 1889 According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church Rev. M. J. Farrelly in the presence of H. L Puf.... [illegible] Bufield? and Mrs. H. L Bufield [?] Witnesses. A true and exact extract from the Marriage Registers of St. John the Baptist Church, Dryades street which are now in the Archives of the Archdiocese of New Orleans. Vol Marriage Bk 4 Page 87 Act No.... Part 1: 1882-1900 Certifed by Jack Belsom Compare this with a previous record from the Archdiocese: Certificate of Baptism Albert Joseph Degruy Child of Pierre Degruy and Marie Cecilia Cunigham Born on the 30th of April 1870 at [not stated] Baptized on the 4th of August 1870 at St. Augustine Church According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church by the Rev. J. B. Jobert, curé the Sponsors being: Manuel Joseph Traneihead [?] Emma Luna A true and exact extract from the Baptismal Registers of St. Augustine Church which are now in the Archives of the Archdiocese of New Orleans Vol Baptism Bk. 4 [a863-1871] Page 311 Act No - certifed by Jack Belsom Date 26 May 2004 So my question is..... Is the P. H. Degruy that I've seen listed Pierre Huxelle Degruy or Pierre Henry Degruy.... and are Pierre Huxelle and Pierre Henry one and the same or different????? If different... has anyone come across a Henry DeGruy? I'm trying to figure out if I have to toss out the death date I had had for Pierre Huxelle... which was: De Gruy Pierre Huxelle 66 yrs - W 09/11/1883 83 602 Orleans Parish Death Index Reel 2 (1877-1895) HTR Pierre Huxelle De Gruy . white- a native of this city aged 66 years 6 mos departed this life on the eleventh instant 11 Sept 1883 on Baronne bet Delachaise and Foucher Streets in this city; cause of death malarial fever [billous Remittent] certificate of Dr LF Salomon; deceased was married . a clerk by occupation got this at La Archives on 8-12-04... have to verify that Huxelle is our Peter Degruy.... can't find name Huxelle anywhere else Anyone have any ideas about this latest "mess."??????? Date 15 November 2004

Found this doing a general search... I belong to this organization and can search their records....if you have requests... [within reason of course!] How is everyone? Haven't had any entries in quite a while. Renee 1928: Volume 11, Issue 4 Page 655 <http://www.louisianahistoricalsociety.org/cgi-bin/reports.pl?action=drilldown&search=verloin&advsearch1=&advsearch2=&advsearch3=&advsearch4=&id=655&issue=4&volume=11&year=1928&format=Scan&qstring=WHERE%20%20BODY%20LIKE%20%27%3Cperc%3Everloin%3Cperc%3E%27> Aug. 19, 1743. Acknowledgement by Eiisign Antoine Valentin 1 P. De Gruis Verloin, about to go to Illinois, that he owes Mr Pierre Ancelain the sum of 2000 Acknowledg- livres Colonial currency for goods and he ob- ment of debt. ligates himself to pay next January, furnish- ing mortgage security. Also 1928: Volume 11, Issue 4 Page 656 (Click here for Scan version) <http://www.louisianahistoricalsociety.org/cgi-bin/reports.pl?action=drilldown&search=verloin&advsearch1=&advsearch2=&advsearch3=&advsearch4=&id=656&issue=4&volume=11&year=1928&format=Scan&qstring=WHERE%20%20BODY%20LIKE%20%27%3Cperc%3Everloin%3Cperc%3E%27> 650 The Louisiana Historical Quarterly Aug. 20,1743. Order to Mr. Lesassier, merchant of New Or- Slip. leans, to pay 2000 livres to order of Louis Diaft on a Geoffroy on Nov. 15. Value received in cash. merchant of Reckon to account of Mr. Descloseaux. New Orleans. Signed: De Gruyverloin. Aug. 20. Order to Mr. Lesassier to accomodate De Gruy Slip. with sum of 2000 livres payable Dec. 15. Signed - Deseloseaux Aug. 21. Session of the Superi Council, where were No. 935. 1 p. present, Mr. de Salmon, First Judge; Raguet Judgments of and Prat, Councillors. Superior Council. 1. Between Jean Veillon, plaintiff, vs. Sr. Veillon vs Jahan. Francois Jahan, defendant: Judgment in de- fault against defendant and order to pay 135 livres carried in his note and costs. Meuillion vs. 2. Between Sr. Meuillion, plaintiff, vs. Sr. Saucier. Saucier, defendant: Before decision Council orders them to submit papers to Srs. Pugeol and Boisclair, report to be made thereon. Costs pending. (Signed:) Salmon, Raguet, Prat, fleuriau. Aug. 22. Pronussory Note. Deseloseaux and De Gruy Ver- Slip. loin promise to pay Mr Chauvin when the Promise to pay King's Ship sails next year the sum Of 1690 money when the King's ship livres in currency Gf Fraiiee. Reverse mem- sails next year. orandum: Paid 125 livres on account. Aug. 22. Mr. Bob6 Deseloseaux is asked to pay Mr. Slip. Lesassier the sum of 937 livres due for goods Order on Descio- delivered to the undersigned. seaux to pay Signed: De Gruyverloin. for 9OGds also 1928: Volume 11, Issue 4 Page 657 (Click here for Scan version) <http://www.louisianahistoricalsociety.org/cgi-bin/reports.pl?action=drilldown&search=verloin&advsearch1=&advsearch2=&advsearch3=&advsearch4=&id=657&issue=4&volume=11&year=1928&format=Scan&qstring=WHERE%20%20BODY%20LIKE%20%27%3Cperc%3Everloin%3Cperc%3E%27> Records of the Superior Council of Loutsmnc, 651 Aug. 23,1743. Order by De Gruyverloin to Mr. Deseloseaux to pay 25 livres, 10 sols, to Mr. Priusat (?) at Slip. New Orleans. Order to pay Order to Mr. Bob6 Deseloseaux to pay 161 money. livres which I owe for food to my employees. Signed: De Gruyverloin. Aug. 23. Receipt to Mr. Ancelain by De Gruyverloin ac- slip. knowledging notes which he will account for Receipt for to him when he has collected them. noter. also 1931: Volume 14, Issue 2 Page 259 (Click here for Scan version) <http://www.louisianahistoricalsociety.org/cgi-bin/reports.pl?action=drilldown&search=verloin&advsearch1=&advsearch2=&advsearch3=&advsearch4=&id=259&issue=2&volume=14&year=1931&format=Scan&qstring=WHERE%20%20BODY%20LIKE%20%27%3Cperc%3Everloin%3Cperc%3E%27> Records of the Supeitor Couneil of Louisiana 253 June 12. 1746 Copy of a Letter written by M. De Gruy Copy of letter from De Verloin to M. Buchet-confided to ami- Gruy Ve@loin to M. Buche. ability of Mr. Benoist, reproaches to Mr. Deseluseau for his silence, infers that it is due to total negligence of affairs they have together, in- forms him that lead they had in partnership is melted, accept cancellation of partnership from this day, debts and expenses for Iiis account he will hoiior at his next visit to Foi-t Chartres.

Thanks, Renee. Yes it was me asking for info on Paul Emile (aka Pablo Emilio)'s children. Octave (his son) is my gg-grandfather. I have been tracking that line. But, Paul's children have been elusive. I'd like to add just a little to David Perrin's info (in case anyone else is also following this family.) Octave and Odile actually had 14 children, but 6 of them died before their mother (I do not know the ages, although I believe most were children when they passed.) I have copies of two letters Odille wrote in 1884 & 1917 which mentioned several of her children. Not sure if this link will go thru, but the translations of the leters are on my website (www.geocities.com/celinemarie/degruy.htm). The letters were written in the old French, so the translation is possible a bit off (especially to the way we speak today.) This info has she some light and now prompts additional questions on my part... (as usual) Celine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Degruy List Admin" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: Emile Verloin DeGruy > > Sending this again..... it never appeared on the list so far as I can tell. > > > A while back someone, maybe Celine, asked about the children of Paul..... > > I now have some records from David Perrin.... I'll list these... I'm not > sure if this is the same Paul that Celine is looking for. > > In my records it's Pablo Emilio Verloin DeGruy who was married to > [Elizabeth] Elise Foucher > In David's it's Emile Verloin deGruy who was married to Elise Foucher > so probably same people > > Their children were: > Emile Verloin DeGruy Jr > Flavis [David has a "Marie" in the margin; so I can't tell if this is > Marie Flavis or not. I will check] > Cesaire married Marie Theriot > Octave [born 1845] married Odile Derbes > Octavie married Mr. Cabiro > > Octave V. DeGruy and Odile Derbes > had 8 children: > Joseph V married Alce [can't read] Poujol [3 children: Camille, Alise, > Gabriel... none married] > Raoul V > Louis V > Laurence V > Edvige V > Anita V [married Alfred Gaudet] > Lise V > Odette V married Aloysius Wiederhold > > Please let me know if anyone has any discrepancies with this information. > > Renee > > > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi All, As you can see.... at long last.... our little list is back on line after almost two weeks. Hooray! [You should have all received Volume 46, if you are receiving messages in the digest format] Now we have to figure out... as the issues start to come.... if everything we had posted[ before we discovered the list had gone dead] shows up... If not ... if your message appears to have been lost, you'll need to resend. You ought to be able to do that easily by going through your Send folder and just forwarding the same message to Degruy-L@rootsweb.com. Please understand that until we are all caught up with the backlog of materials, we may be getting some "double" entries. Rootsweb advised that this might happen.... but they felt that it would be better to receive some messages twice than not to receive them at all. This would also be a good time for anyone who is on the list who has never introduced themselves to do so. Tell us, if you are comfortable doing so, who you are and where you are and how you are connected to the Degruys.... Tell us what your stumbling blocks are and what you'd like to "get out of" the list. Let us know if you have any information handed down from your relatives that could help the rest of the folks on the list do a better job in "filling in" any gaps we might have in our information. Eventually we hope to have our own web site where we will be able to post photographs, and scans of other primary data. Keep in mind that we are always interested in photocopies and transcriptions of primary data as that is the very best way to get the true information. A lot of "misinformation" floats around on the Internet and one of the goals of Degruy-L is to try to begin to correct any mistakes any of us may have inadvertently entered into our data. I look forward to hearing from all of you. In fact, it would greatly help me if you would just respond with something simple like "I've received a message from Rootsweb today" and sign your name. That way I'll know who is receiving the backlogged messages. I don't know about you, but I'm very glad that we are up and running again. Renee in St. Louis ps... when you respond to a list message or a digest, do not include the entire digest in your response. In other words, when you hit "reply" take the time to delete everything that gets copied into your new message that does not apply to what you are responding too. The messages get way too long if you don't take time to do this. For example, I hit "reply" in composing this message, but as you see, the entire digest of volume #46 does not appear below. That's because I deleted it before I wrote this message....If you don't understand what I'm trying to convey, contact me offlist.

Sending this again..... it never appeared on the list so far as I can tell. A while back someone, maybe Celine, asked about the children of Paul..... I now have some records from David Perrin.... I'll list these... I'm not sure if this is the same Paul that Celine is looking for. In my records it's Pablo Emilio Verloin DeGruy who was married to [Elizabeth] Elise Foucher In David's it's Emile Verloin deGruy who was married to Elise Foucher so probably same people Their children were: Emile Verloin DeGruy Jr Flavis [David has a "Marie" in the margin; so I can't tell if this is Marie Flavis or not. I will check] Cesaire married Marie Theriot Octave [born 1845] married Odile Derbes Octavie married Mr. Cabiro Octave V. DeGruy and Odile Derbes had 8 children: Joseph V married Alce [can't read] Poujol [3 children: Camille, Alise, Gabriel... none married] Raoul V Louis V Laurence V Edvige V Anita V [married Alfred Gaudet] Lise V Odette V married Aloysius Wiederhold Please let me know if anyone has any discrepancies with this information. Renee

Tombstone: Marie Anne Couturièr / [b. Feb 8, 1753; d. Jul 25, 1 819] née la 8 Fev 1753 / mar le 25 Juillet 1819 / Delphine Verloin DeGruis / [b. Aug 1, 1792; d. Aug 25, 1815] épouse Philipp e Boutté / née le 1 Aout 1792 / mar le 25 Aout 1815 / Marie Eleanor Otis / [b. Jun 14, 1819; d. Aug 26, 1852] / née 14 Juin 1 819 / mar le 26 Aout 1852 / Carmelite Berthe Otis / [b. Aug 2 5, 1857; d. Jul 3, 1865] / née le 25 Aout 1857 / mar le 3 Juille t 1865 [Enter Basin St gate, on Main St, take first lane left toward s Conti St; 2nd vault, 2nd row in cemetery wall; vault backs Basin St, faces Tremé St.] Buried in vault with Marie Anne Couturièr: Elodie Boutté Baudier, granddaughter, Sep 17, 1863. Jean Alexandre Baudier, g grandson, Jul 28, 1871. Oscar Claude Baudier, gg grandson and g grandson, Oscar Claude Baudier, Jun 24, 1875. Joseph Théodore Baudier, gg grandson and g grandson, Jul 7, 1880. Charles Aristide Baudier, gg grandson and g grandson, Jan 16, 1882. http://cml.upenn.edy/nola Tomb details, PNTHNOC, #1000: Basin St Wall Vaults, 35 bays , 3 high. 1st date, 1845 ; last date, 1993. Arch, BAV, 1a-35c . NW orient. First date of 1845 is the built date. there ar e older tablets moved there. Sunken, tilted. # Note: 11 12 13 11 11

[August 19, 1847 Letter 6 of 13 Letter from Zenon Boutté, Barataria] Nlle. Orleans. 19 Aout 1847 Mon Cher Monsieur, Auriez vous la bonte. De me donner des resseingment sur les tit res de la famille Boutté au Temple de Barataria? Les rensingmen ts que je voudrait avoir sont. L'epoque a laquelle la vente d u temple du au Temple a etepasse a few Mr. Jean Baptiste Boutté . At la nom du vendeur. Aussi l'acte de cossien par lui a ce s enfants. Ainsi le nom du notaire chez qui actes ont ete passe . Ou toute aute information qui pourraitnous mettre sur la trac e des ittre de possession. Deux de mas beau-freres et moi avon s achete la part de feu mon oncle Philippe Boutté et malgre tout es les recherches. Nous n'avene pu rien pu d'ecourvrirde ces ti tres. L'on nous dit que mieux que nul autre que vous peurriez n ous renseignments se sujet. En vous priant. D'excuseer la liberte que j'ai prise de m'adres serns vous sans avoir le plaisir de vous connaitre. Je mo dit . Votre parent ami. P. S. Une reponse imediate a ce sujet. S'il vous etait convena ble. M'abligaruit infinissant. Zenon Boutté, Barataria ---------------------- [English translation] New Orleans. 19 August 1847 Mr Dear Sir, Would you be so kind as to give me some information on the securities of the Boutté family of the church of Barataria. The information that I would like to have, the period of time to which the sale was transferred to the late Mr. Jean Baptiste Boutté, and the name of the seller, also the deed of transfer by him to his children, as well as the name of the notary at whose business the deeds were transferred, and all other information which would put us on the trail of the title of possession. Two of my brothers-in-law and I have purchased the portion my late uncle' s property, Philippe Boutté, and in spite of all the investigations we haven't been able to recover all the titles. We were told that better than anyone else you would have information on this subject. Please excuse the liberty that I took in addressing you without having the pleasure of being introduced to you , I address you as a kinsman and friend. P. S. An immediate response on this matter, if it is convenient for you will oblige me greatly. Zenon Boutté, Barataria [Louisiana]

All Baudiers descend from Jean Victor Baudier [b. 1797, Morlaix, Bretagne, France] and his wife (Marie Anne)Leonide Josephine DuFouchard Verloin deGruy (daughter of Thomas Antoine DuFouchard Verloin deGruy & Marie Josephine Eitephanie Guerin de Mole). I have copies of letters written by Jean Victor Baudier, Leonide deGruy Baudier, and their son Jean Alexandre Baudier dating from the 1840s. Mentioned in those letters is Leonide deGruy's older sister, (Catherine) Celine DuFouchard Verlion deGruy, spouse Pierre Achille Francois Seuzeneau. These families, along with the Garcia & Boutte families intermarried down to present times. They, along with many of their descendents, were buried in the vault of Marie Couturier, spouse Francois Joseph DuFouchard Verloin deGruy in St Louis Cemetery #1. Roger Baudier, son of Jean Alexandre Baudier (son of Jean Alexandre Baudier & Marie Louise Elodie Boutte) and his wife Louise Angela Baudier (daughter of Ernest Joseph Baudier & Louise Angela Planchard) was the historian for the Archdiocese of New Orleans. He wrote several books about the archidiocese. Some of Roger Baudier's witty take on Creole society in New Orleans at the turn of the century is presented in the book "Creole Collage."

Bonnie Bess Wood is sharing with us a marvelous treasure. Here is her email to me..... As I can, I will forward the letters, one by one. They will be long. If disk space is a problem for you, you have the option of deleting them as they arrive.... and then looking at the archives of Degruy-L [for early November] when/if you need them. Enjoy. Renee From Bonnie: Since these letters are directly related to the deGruy family, if not your particular direct line, I think most would find them of value since they are so precious, a window into that time period. So, yes you can post them. The story of these letters is a long and windy one. They were part of a lawsuit by the Baudier family to secure land on Barataria Island owned by the Boutte family which the deGruy family is related to by marriage. I'll send the Boutte letter and some documentation about the lawsuit along as well. The letters were in the hands of Adelaide Baudier, great granddaughter of Alexandre Baudier, the letter writer. She was a lawyer. The suit was in the courts for decades and each Baudier got part of the settlement. The great part about the lawsuit is that the direct heirs had to be meticulously identified. Interestingly, I only have access to the letters written here in the US [obviously copies of the originals which were posted] and no copies of the letters which came from France. After the lawsuit was settled however, Adelaide Baudier would not let anyone have access to the letters. Finally, Andre Trawick, a federal judge, and a direct descendant of Achille Seuzeneau and Celine deGruy, the couple mentioned in one of the letters that I will also send along to you, forced Adelaide to let him copy the letters before she died and they were lost forever to us all. Unfortunately, that was a long time ago and many generations down the line for the copies that I eventually received. Some were copies of the original letters, but unfortunately some were copies of translations of the original letters. When possible, I had the originals retranslated by a friend of mine in France. He did an incredible job for which I will be eternally grateful. Some of the letters, mostly the ones written by the women, are written phonetically in archaic French. I also have my cousin Helen to thank because she traced the letters down and got the copies for me.

I've been looking through a little book by John Chase entitled "Frenchmen, Desire, Good Children: And Other Streets of New Orleans".... and have come across some of our allied names. So periodically, I'll be sending little quotes from this book. We'll start this morning with De La Houssie [pag 59-60] "Bienville's problems on the receiving end of John Law's operations were multiple. Shiploads multiplied by shiploads of settlers were dumped upon him. Dauphin Island, disembarkation port for the conveys from LaRochelle, all but sank into Mobile Bay under the weight of convicts, beggars, and unfortunate victims of a despotic regime in France. These formed the bulk of the colonists sent to populate Louisiana. Some were consigned. Law's own huge four-square-league concession in the Arkansas country was provided with two hundred Germans. Sixty settlers arrived for Paris Duvernay's grant opposite Manchac on the river. Seventy for De La Houssie - his concession was in the ancient country of the Houmas Indiana, near the Red River Junction; and sixty more for De La Harpe, whose land was at Natchitoches." Enjoy! Renee

Hi, You might want to check this out. I first heard about it on LAORLEAN-L.: https://www.gensmarts.com/features.asp This is a $25. program that adds artificial intelligence to genealogy programs such as Family Tree Maker. [Doesn't work with MAC; however, since my husband has a PC, I email my Mac genealogy file as a gedcom from Reunion 8 for Mac to FTM for PC.... That way I can use the Gensmart program with FTM.....] What Gensmart does is to analyze your whole family history and then list in order of importance what you should do next.... what records to go for and suggest places where you might find them. If you program in the web sites you subscribe to [Like Genealogy.com or Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest], it will link you there .. item by item. GenSmarts is brought to you by... Underwood Innovations, LLC <http://www.gensmarts.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7> 4436 Hearthmoor Court Long Grove, IL 60048 (847) 910-3761 GenSmarts Contact Information <mailto:webmaster@GenSmarts.Com>

Hi y'all, I'm researching the following linked surnames: AUFRERE, BAUDIER, BIENVENU, BONNEVAL, BOUTTE, COUTURIER, deGRUY, GUERIN, DOSS HOPF, (DUPONT) LE KINTREK, GUILLEMET, LE BEAU, SEUZENEAU, PLANCHARD, LEMOTHE, POREE, PICTET, SAINT PE [St PE], SAULET [SOLE] ~Bonnie Bess Wood bonniebesswood@hotmail.com

Should have included this in the previous email which answered Celine's question about where the data sent in the message about the marriage records came from..... Here is the nutrias website for the genealogy dept of the NO Public Library http://www.nutrias.org/~nopl/info/louinfo/louinfo.htm <http://www.nutrias.org/%7Enopl/info/louinfo/louinfo.htm> For the out-ot-towners on this list, you could ask them to send you copies of the microfilms, using the marriage license record locators I provided in the previous email. This is a fee based service. So check out this part of their web site which tells you how to order records: http://www.nutrias.org/~nopl/info/louinfo/louinfo2.htm <http://www.nutrias.org/%7Enopl/info/louinfo/louinfo2.htm> R

Celine asked where the marriage index drawers are to be found.... New Orleans Public Library on Loyola... in the Genealogy Department...... When you get off the area, walk straight back as if you were going to the Obits metal cabinets, then turn left. They are in the middle of the room between the tables and chairs and the bookstacks. They are in drawers in a wooden card catalog type of cabinet Once you have the citation, the librarian can show you the right microfilm drawer to retrieve the microfilm record.... that's what the locators like VEE and VED and VEH are all about.... Renee DEGRUY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >DEGRUY-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 47 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Names [c.tregre@att.net] > #2 Marriage Index Drawers at NOPL [Degruy List Admin <degruylist@eart] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from DEGRUY-D, send a message to > > DEGRUY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the DEGRUY-D list administrator, send mail to >DEGRUY-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Names > From: > c.tregre@att.net > Date: > Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:25:10 +0000 > To: > DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com > > >I am not always so quick on the uptake but I was just reading Vol 4 #46 where Rene outlines her search for Antoine's buial records and I looked at the name "De La Croix" and realized there is a place in South Louisiana called Delacroix Island (it is pronounced "Della Crow") and is a popular fishing area. > >Also, there are many LaCroix families in South LA also. Probably a derivation of your name. The surname LaCroix is pronounced (la-croi--with the croi word rhyming with "toy"). Completely different pronounciation for the Island and the surname. > >We are nothing if not inconsistent. > >Carolyn Tregre > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Marriage Index Drawers at NOPL > From: > Degruy List Admin <degruylist@earthlink.net> > Date: > Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:19:45 -0600 > To: > DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com > > > Hi All, > When I was last in New Orleans, I copied the DeGruy cards inside the > Marriage Index Drawers [Card catalog]. These are the drawers in the > wooden card catalogs in the center of the room. [They may also be > known as the Justice of the Peace drawers, but I'd check that to be > sure]. Anyway, I hope I can read my own handwriting [several weeks > later]. > I hope you find this helpful. > Renee > > MARRIAGE INDEX DRAWER 36 DEB-DELC > MLAF Marriage License Applied For MCAF Marriage Certificate > Applied For > > 1. Degruize, Marie MLAF Nov 14, 1846 > Alexandre Picou VEE 678, p. 30 > > 2. Adelaide Olympe DeGruy MLAF 11/8/1851 A Desforges VEE 678 p. 34 > > 3. Alice DeGruy MLAF Aug 23, 1876 D. E. Seghers VED 678, p 535-536 > > 4. Amelia Degruy MLAF July 14, 1853 Edgard Planchard VEF 678, 506-7 > > 5. Anais Verloin DeGruy MLAF 8 Apr 1865 Joseph Charles VEH 678, 42-3 > > 6. Azelie Degruy MLAF Oct 3, 1862 Ed Sauton Veh 678 227-228 A > > 7. Clementine De Gruy MLAF Feb 8, 1871 A B Marmillion Ved 678 p. 83 > > 8. Elodie De Gruy, Widow of A Gaynet, married 3-10-1855, to Fernando > Mendoza VED 658, p. 40 > > 9. Elodie Degruy, Widow of a Gayned, MLF, 3/10/1855 Ved 678, p 790 > > 10. Felicie V De Gruy MLAF Apr 22, 1870, J. G. Lacour VEC 678, p. 108 > > 11. Felix DeGruy, MLAF, May 13, 1863, Irene Finlay, VEF 678, 472-3 > > 12. Francois Degruy, MLAF, Dec 4, 1862 Julie Bonaud VEF 678, p. 110-111 > > 13. Henry de Gruy, MLAF, Jan 18, 1864 Louise Delvaille, VED 678, p. 499 > > 14. J.B.L. De Gruy, MLAF, May 23, 1849 Marceaux, Eugenie Emma VEE 678, > p. 157 > > 15. James V. De Gruy, MLAF, Dec 11, 1866, Louise A Santon, VED 678, p. > 173 > > 16. Jean Dorestan de Gruy, MLAF,, Nov 12, 1846 VEE 678, p. 29, Marie > Felecite Valentin > > 17. Jeannie Degruy, MCAF, Feb 23, 1876 L J FAzende VEC 678, p. 434 > > 18. Joseph Camille Degruy, MLAF, 8/14/1845 VI VCP 670m, p. 186 > Leoniede St. Amant > > 19. Joseph Charles DeGruy, MLAF, Apr 8, 1865 VEH 678 42, 43 > > 20. Jules Verloin Degruy, MLAF, Feb 29, 1848 Marie Angela Boisblanc > VEE 678, p 171 > > 21. Lucia F. Degruy, MLAF, Mar 11, 1856, Francois F Nicaud VEC 678, > 746, 747 > > 22. Marie Corinne DeGruy, MLAF Nov 8, 1844, Gustave Ursin Jaquet, VI > VCP, 670M, p 110 > > 23. Marie Felida De Gruy, MLAF, 10-14-1865 Charles H. Bienvenu VEC > 678, p 247 {This > application follows one dated 10-7-1865} > > 24. Marie Henriette DeGruy, MLAF, Nov 9, 1871, J. B. Arthur Garic VED > 678 p. 448 > > 25. Marie Verloin Degruy, MLAF, Dec 21, 1870, F.C. Forstall, VEE 678, > p. 762 > > 26. O. Verloin Degruy, MLAF, Sept 26, 1866 VED 678, p 412, Marie Odile > Derbes > > 27. Octavie V Degruy, MLAF, 3/10/1874 VED 678, 639 Auguste Cabiro > > 28. Degruy, P. H. MLAF May 9, 1867 Brandon, P. [Widow] VEC 678, p. > 806-7 > > 29. De Gruy, P. H., married May 11, 1867, Brandon, Mrs. P. Mary > [widow] VEC 658, p 81 > > 30. Degruy, St. Preux, MLAF, Mar 10, 1859, Savary, Marie Sophie VEE > 678, p 332 > [widow of Jean Pierre Catoir] > > 31. Stephen Verloin De Gruy, MLAF, Dec 4, 1876, Wrigley, Bettie > Josephine, VED 678 p7 & 772 > > 32. DeGruy, Thomas Anthime MLAF Mar 3, 1845 Laure Harang VI VCP 670 > M p. 148 > > Drawer 42 Marriage Index Dubu - Dunm > > 33. Degruy, Louis, MLAF Dec 12, 1867 Devazin, Estelle VED 678, p. 352

Hi All, When I was last in New Orleans, I copied the DeGruy cards inside the Marriage Index Drawers [Card catalog]. These are the drawers in the wooden card catalogs in the center of the room. [They may also be known as the Justice of the Peace drawers, but I'd check that to be sure]. Anyway, I hope I can read my own handwriting [several weeks later]. I hope you find this helpful. Renee MARRIAGE INDEX DRAWER 36 DEB-DELC MLAF Marriage License Applied For MCAF Marriage Certificate Applied For 1. Degruize, Marie MLAF Nov 14, 1846 Alexandre Picou VEE 678, p. 30 2. Adelaide Olympe DeGruy MLAF 11/8/1851 A Desforges VEE 678 p. 34 3. Alice DeGruy MLAF Aug 23, 1876 D. E. Seghers VED 678, p 535-536 4. Amelia Degruy MLAF July 14, 1853 Edgard Planchard VEF 678, 506-7 5. Anais Verloin DeGruy MLAF 8 Apr 1865 Joseph Charles VEH 678, 42-3 6. Azelie Degruy MLAF Oct 3, 1862 Ed Sauton Veh 678 227-228 A 7. Clementine De Gruy MLAF Feb 8, 1871 A B Marmillion Ved 678 p. 83 8. Elodie De Gruy, Widow of A Gaynet, married 3-10-1855, to Fernando Mendoza VED 658, p. 40 9. Elodie Degruy, Widow of a Gayned, MLF, 3/10/1855 Ved 678, p 790 10. Felicie V De Gruy MLAF Apr 22, 1870, J. G. Lacour VEC 678, p. 108 11. Felix DeGruy, MLAF, May 13, 1863, Irene Finlay, VEF 678, 472-3 12. Francois Degruy, MLAF, Dec 4, 1862 Julie Bonaud VEF 678, p. 110-111 13. Henry de Gruy, MLAF, Jan 18, 1864 Louise Delvaille, VED 678, p. 499 14. J.B.L. De Gruy, MLAF, May 23, 1849 Marceaux, Eugenie Emma VEE 678, p. 157 15. James V. De Gruy, MLAF, Dec 11, 1866, Louise A Santon, VED 678, p. 173 16. Jean Dorestan de Gruy, MLAF,, Nov 12, 1846 VEE 678, p. 29, Marie Felecite Valentin 17. Jeannie Degruy, MCAF, Feb 23, 1876 L J FAzende VEC 678, p. 434 18. Joseph Camille Degruy, MLAF, 8/14/1845 VI VCP 670m, p. 186 Leoniede St. Amant 19. Joseph Charles DeGruy, MLAF, Apr 8, 1865 VEH 678 42, 43 20. Jules Verloin Degruy, MLAF, Feb 29, 1848 Marie Angela Boisblanc VEE 678, p 171 21. Lucia F. Degruy, MLAF, Mar 11, 1856, Francois F Nicaud VEC 678, 746, 747 22. Marie Corinne DeGruy, MLAF Nov 8, 1844, Gustave Ursin Jaquet, VI VCP, 670M, p 110 23. Marie Felida De Gruy, MLAF, 10-14-1865 Charles H. Bienvenu VEC 678, p 247 {This application follows one dated 10-7-1865} 24. Marie Henriette DeGruy, MLAF, Nov 9, 1871, J. B. Arthur Garic VED 678 p. 448 25. Marie Verloin Degruy, MLAF, Dec 21, 1870, F.C. Forstall, VEE 678, p. 762 26. O. Verloin Degruy, MLAF, Sept 26, 1866 VED 678, p 412, Marie Odile Derbes 27. Octavie V Degruy, MLAF, 3/10/1874 VED 678, 639 Auguste Cabiro 28. Degruy, P. H. MLAF May 9, 1867 Brandon, P. [Widow] VEC 678, p. 806-7 29. De Gruy, P. H., married May 11, 1867, Brandon, Mrs. P. Mary [widow] VEC 658, p 81 30. Degruy, St. Preux, MLAF, Mar 10, 1859, Savary, Marie Sophie VEE 678, p 332 [widow of Jean Pierre Catoir] 31. Stephen Verloin De Gruy, MLAF, Dec 4, 1876, Wrigley, Bettie Josephine, VED 678 p7 & 772 32. DeGruy, Thomas Anthime MLAF Mar 3, 1845 Laure Harang VI VCP 670 M p. 148 Drawer 42 Marriage Index Dubu - Dunm 33. Degruy, Louis, MLAF Dec 12, 1867 Devazin, Estelle VED 678, p. 352

I am not always so quick on the uptake but I was just reading Vol 4 #46 where Rene outlines her search for Antoine's buial records and I looked at the name "De La Croix" and realized there is a place in South Louisiana called Delacroix Island (it is pronounced "Della Crow") and is a popular fishing area. Also, there are many LaCroix families in South LA also. Probably a derivation of your name. The surname LaCroix is pronounced (la-croi--with the croi word rhyming with "toy"). Completely different pronounciation for the Island and the surname. We are nothing if not inconsistent. Carolyn Tregre

My cousin Adrienne Pertuit Pierce sent me the following and I'm passing it along should anyone want to pursue it: Was browsing the other day and came across this on Louisiana GenWeb - Jeff Parish -Probate dockets In the order as viewed on LDS microfilm created from original dockets, Gretna, LA. Films are available at the Jefferson Parish East Bank Regional Library and Main (Branch? didn't print) This is a succession docket: (S) S 03/29/1830 1st JDC LDS # 04025693934868 p. 37 S 03/29/1830 1st JDC LDS # 04025693934868 p. 54 Petitioner: Joseph Verloin Degruy, J (incomplete..one word) presence of: Jos. V. Degruy; Pierre Josephine Gewin (?) widow of Antoinio Marie Doralis and Louisa Dufouchar D (?) Also present: Dolphine Verloin Degruy, attorney; Duminil Verloin Degruy rep One slave in Natchez. No land or home

Rene and others. I found a list of St. Charles Parish, LA holdings on LDS site and Rene asked where on the site. To locate a list of these records (and a wonderful search engine): Go to the LSD home page. There are several light green tabs across the top of the page, Click on # 4 tab called LIBRARY. That turns purple and on the purple bar click FL HISTORY LIBRARY CATALOG. There is a search engine there with several options (search for name, search for place, etc.) On the St. Charles Parish Gen web site there is a good deal more information than there was a year ago. So check it out. Also the German-Acadian Coast Historical and Genealogical Society, Inc. has a nice site. www.gachgs.com. Membership in this organization is very inexpensive. They have a quarterly publication LES VOYAGEURS. Annual subscription runs from Jan-Dec. so now would be a good time to join for next year. The address is German-Acadian Coast Hist. & Genie Society P O Box 517 Destrehan, LA 70047-0517 There may be an application on the web site. If not, they will probably mail you one. The membership application is signed by the individual and gives the Society permission to print articles you submit in their publication. Website also has publications available for sale. Carolyn Tregre

Many thanks to Carolyn [speaking for the whole list, I'm sure] for her ongoing generosity in looking up St. Charles parish information for us! What a treasure! Renee c.tregre@att.net wrote: > This would not be online that I am aware of. > > > > I will copy this and run to the courthouse on Tuesday and look it up > and copy it for you. I expect it to be in French. Will mail that to > Rene. > > > > Carolyn Tregre > > -------------- Original message from Degruy List Admin > <degruylist@earthlink.net>: -------------- > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > Would this succession be available online anywhere? If not, > would it be > > available only in St. Charles Parish or would the NOPL have it? > I may want to > > get it to see if there is any pertinent info in it, but need to > figure out where > > to look. > > THanks, > > Renee > > > > Her final husband's full name was Joseph Dussault [Dusiau] de la > Croix > > > > According to Glenn R. Conrad, St. Charles, Abstracts of the > Civil Records of St. > > Charles Parish, 1700-1803 pg.27 - Marie Therese Aufrere died > June 30, 1774 in > > St. Charles Parish, La. (It is the "inventory of the community > property of > > Joseph Dusiau and his late wife, Therese Aufrere". (The > inventory is actually > > taken on 30 June, she may have passed away the day before.) > > > > I'd be looking for her actual death date. Any info on her > children. Any info on > > the death of her first husband Antoin Valentin Degruÿsverloin, > her residence... > > any history... basically the whole shebang... > > >

I am forwarding this to the group. If it is the second time you've received, apologies for that, just delete it. When I sent it the first time I did not realize it but I was not writing from my Degruylist address. So it got a "not a subscriber" label. I have searched the last couple of issues and cannot find it. So maybe the automatic Rootsweb device pitched it because it did not recognize me as a subscriber. I don't know. In any case since I really need to find out if anyone has any documentation on the death of Antoine, I feel it important to resend. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Antoin Valentin...... please share any discrepancies with us.... Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:34:20 -0600 From: Renee H. Bennett <bennettrh@earthlink.net> To: Degruy-L@rootsweb.com Does anyone have any documentation on the death of our Antoine Valentin? Especially, where might he be buried? I spent the pm in the library looking for anything and came up empty handed as far as a grave site. And I searched some esoteric microfilms! This is what I was searching this pm.... I plan to look at the reel again.... Trouble is... it's in French and staring into a microfilm machine trying to read French makes me crosseyed - with a threat of imminent blindness! [Source: Microfilm C2899 includes Garrison Register 1825-1876; Parish registers of Notre Dame 1695-1834; St. Joseph 1761-1799; St. Anne de Fort De Chartres 1721-1765; Immaculate Conception at Kaskaskia; St. Joseph de Prairie de Rocher....] Here's what I have in my program. I may have sent this before, so I'm highlighting all the pertinent death info: Death: July 1759 Kaskaskia, St. Clair County, Illinois; Thelma Coignard also has him buried in Illinois [Keep in mind that Marie Therese Aufrere married Joseph Dussault de la CROIX [Dusiau] [Thelma Coignard has: De La Croix] [According to G. Freyder his name was: Joseph des Mazilliers du Suau de la Croix, Sr.] Yesterday I emailed details about Marie Therese's marriage to Dussault De Lacroix, Dussault s/ Dussault de la Croix - chevalier of the order of St, Louis, Mayor of the town of Gap in Dauphine - and Dame Marie Francoise Borel to Marie Therese Aufrere, Widow of Antoine de Gruys, lieutenant of the troops of the marine. Marriage date: 18 Feb 1760. So.... Valentin died in July 1759 and Marie Therese married 7 months later..... Now what is frustrating is that I can find with no trouble a marriage date for Joseph and Therese, but can't find a specific death date or location for Antoin. As much as I'd like to find his death date, I'd also like to find out when and why he came to America in the first place. I don't think they have passenger lists for the 1700's...and would he have been on a passenger ship or would he have been on a military ship; and, if so, did they keep records of who was on which military ship? Would he have gone to New Orleans and then have been assigned to Illinois? Anyway, what follows is from a variety of sources: Alice Fortier via David Perrin, Jerry Freyder...and Celine has sent separately other info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alice Fortier says he was a duke in France... maybe to do with Parma... Duke of Parma Full name: Jean Baptiste Antoine Valentin, Ecuyer, Verloin De Gruy, Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Duke of France, Ecuyer, de la Folie native of Versailles David Perrin has: Antoine Valentin DeGruÿsverloin Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Ecuyer de la Folie, Duc of Parma [Parme]. David says "There is no Jean Baptist before the Antoine" From Gerald Freyer: Hi Renee, Unfortunately, I do not have the parents of [Jean Baptist] Antoine Valentin Verloin de Gruy, born about 1720 in Paris, France, died July 1759 in Kaskaskia, Illinois. He was married to Marie Therese d'Aufrere, born December 29, 1728 in Dauphine, Alpes De Haute, France. Marie Therese died Aft. December 17, 1792. They were married about 1745 in New Orleans. [Jean Baptiste] Antoine Valentin Verloin de Gruy is a 5th and 6th great-grandfather of my wife, Karen Diane Delahoussaye. His full name was [Jean Baptiste] Antoine Valentin, Ecuyer, Verloin De Gruy, Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Duke of France, Ecuyer, de la Folie. He was described as a "native of Paris" and a "native of Versailles." I take that to mean that he was born in the palace of Versailles. I have to admit, I have not focused on finding his parents, but I'm sure they would reveal a fascinating story. On October 1, 1740, he was listed as a Second lieutenant in Louisiana. As early as 1743, he appears in various transactions connected with the exploitation of the lead mines of the Illinois. It was, afterall, the exploration of minerals, (mostly gold which they did not find), that brought the French to America. On June 1, 1746, he was listed as an Ensign en pied. The following is a recount of his promotion (names in brackets were filled in by me): 1746, June 1 - Maurepas to Vaudreuil - officer promotions in response to various letters from 1744 and 1745. The King's decisions: Captain [Cesaire De Blanc] de Blanc [de Neuveville], commandant at Natchitoches, to replace the deceased [Louis Antoine Juchereau de] St. Denis. [Cesaire was the second Commandaner of Fort Saint Jean Baptiste des Natchitoches. He succeeded his father-in-law as commandant of the Post.] Sieurs [Jean?] Marest Dupuy and Hazeur [Francois Marie Joseph Ecuyer Hazeur de L'Orme] to captain. Six promoted to fill vacancies left by the deaths of Gauville, Magdenok, [Joseph? Hertel] de Rouville, and [Nicolas?] La Berge, plus the retirement of de Meric and Ballee, namely: [Pierre?] Voisin, La Perliere, [Antoine Pierre Philippe de Marigny de] Mandeville, [Jean Baptist Antoine Valentin Verloin] De Gruy, Masse, and [Francois "Robert" Gauthier Sr?] Montreuil. (to ensign en pied.) Laurent de Monbrun [Jean Baptiste Boucher de Monbrun de St. Laurent?] given rank of lieutenant reformed as reward for expedition against the Chickasaw; to lieutenant, Paupulus, de Villiers [Nicolas Antoine \Coulon\ de Villiers Jr.], du Coder. Cross of St. Louis approved for the Chevalier de Bertet and de Membrede [Jean Baptiste de Ruelan de Membrede?]. (THE VAUDREUIL PAPERS p.14). In 1746, his partnership in the lead mines with D. Declozeau was terminated. His death occurred about that time, between July and September 1759, according to local historian and genealogist Sidney Louis Villere. On March 13, 1748, he purchased, along with his mother-in-law, Maturine Guilmot, a windmill at Fort Chartres. [Illinois] He resided there at the time. The transaction said: Lieutenant des troupes de la marine, Lord Dumenil - Fouchard, Ecuyer, de la Folie, Officer of a company of infantry detached from the marine garrisoned in Illinois, residing in this town of Kaskaskia". On March 8, 1751, upon the birth record of his son Jean Baptiste, he was listed as an "Officer of the naval troops in this colony, a native of Paris". On October 15, 1752, he was a lieutenant. The following comes from the book, "The Vaudreuil Papers" 1752, Macarty (at Kaskaskia) to Vaudreuil: De Gruis' [Jean Baptist Antoine Valentin Verloin de Gruy?] mine very productive - will pay [Pierre Francois Marie?] Olivier by fall. De gruis on detachment in search of Lusignans who appeared at the mine with some Indians - is dangerous among enemies of the French since he knows the area well. (THE VAUDREUIL PAPERS p.147). What is interesting to me is that Pierre Francois Marie Olivier de Vezin is also one of my wife's ancestors. On July 1, 1759, he is listed as a captain. This is just before he is presumed to have died, according to Sidney Louis Villere. His wife's remarriage to Joseph des Mazilliers du Suau de la Croix Sr. on February 18, 1760 in New Orleans supports Villere's claim. If his parents were in Louisiana, I do not know. His wife's parents were Francois "Antoine" d'Aufrere, born about 1695 in Paris, France, and Marie Maturine Guillemot dit La Lande, born September 9, 1696 in Quebec, Canada. Her parents both died in New Orleans. Marie Therese must have lived past December 17, 1792, since she was present at the baptism of Julia Delphine Verloin De Gruy. The godparents were: Juan Bautista De Gruy [possibly her son] & Maria Theresa Aufrere, natives of Dauphine in France. Karen, my wife, is descended from this couple's daughter, Marie Therese de Gruy, who married Francois Cezar Boutte' from Gerry Freyder According to the Thelma Coignard sheet sent to me by David Perin on 4 Oct 04, in the following: (Jean Baptiste) Antoine Valentin DuFouchard Dumenil DeGruy.... the Jean Baptiste is wrong... and it should read: Antoine Valentine DeGruÿsVerloin, Lord Dumenil Fouchard; [Antoine Valentin De Gruys (with two dots over the 'y') Verloin. So I am changing this now.