Entered December 19, 2004 Marie Anne Couturier Baptism 8 Feb 1753 [Dau of Pierre Couturier & Marie Francoise Dupont Godfather: Jean Louis Dupont; Godmother: Anne Marie Dupont [wife of Mr. Flogny] ------------------------------------ Pedro Couturiere Interment 11 Oct 1798 79 years native of Toison in Poitu in the Kingdom of France Surgeon married in a second nuptial with Donna Julia Dourieaux Book of Funerals 1793-1803 Page 60b Act 358 ------------------------------------ Dona Juana Glapion Interment 4 Oct 1805 20 yr wife of Don Pedro Verloin Degruis and legit. daughter of Dona Juana Catarina Lalande Ferrier and of Don Christoval Glapion, also deceased who died at the home of Mr. Meyronne on the other side of the river Book of Funerals 1803-1807 Page 79 Act 243 ------------------------------------ Felicite de Grouey et Saulet Baptism 15 May 1820 [DP said she was called “Estelle” 9 May 1820 Born dau of Joseph Verloin DeGruy and Marie Eloise Saulet ayeuse? de la branche paternelle, Verloin de Grouy; MAarianne Couturier; de la branche maternelle, Tho Saulet er? Marie Therèse Pery; parrain ? Antoine Foucher [le jeune]; marraine, Mselle? Felicité Foucher ------------------------------------ Laure Verloin Degruy et Verloin Degruy Bapt 19 Sept 1825 1 March 1824, fils legitime de Mr. Etienne Verloin Degruy and de Dame Marie Laure Verloin Degruy son épouse, ses père et mère, ne? en cette ville.... Aieux paternels de la baptisée: Mr. Pierre Verloin Deguy et Dme Tonton Duminy Glapion; et les Maternaels: Mr. Joseph Verloin Degruy et Dme Marie Heloise Saulet. Furent Parrain et Marraine: Mr Pierre Verloin Degury et Dme Marie Heloie Saulet. No. 1374 ------------------------------------ 19 August 1840 Marriage Dn Jose Degruis con Da Maria Luisa Theresa Pery ....... Dn Louis Fortin, Medico de esta cividad, Dn Alexandro Del’home y Dn Cornolivis Plues ------------------------------------

Hi All, I'm forwarding a message from Robin Butler Daviet, a new subscriber to Degruy-L. On behalf of everyone at Degruy-L, welcome, Robin! Renee -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Le Raconteur announces the DeGruy list. Thank you for being here. Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:08:27 -0700 From: Robindaviet@cs.com To: DEGRUY-L-request@rootsweb.com Dear Renee and all other DeGruy family participants, Hello. My name is Robin BUTLER Daviet. I am the wife of Leslie Louis DAVIET II. I learned about your Family Name List from my December issue of Le Ranconteur. I have been a member of Le Comite des Archives de la Louisiane for several years now. Judy Riffel is a true gift to the genealogy community,expecially those of us researching in Louisiana. I live in Arizona. Thank heavens I have the internet to supplement my searches. We live in a terrific age. Thank you Renee for taking on the awesome task of administering this Family list forum. It is quite a task. I know because I help with another one that is a surname from my side of the family tree. My husband is a direct descendant of Jean Baptiste Antoine Valentin, Ecuyer, DEGRUY VERLOIN, Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Duke of France, Ecuyer, del la Folie (as noted from your list discussions) and his wife Marie Therese AUFRERE. His lineage, beginning with his paternal grandmother is as follows: Alice Valerie GUIDROZ b. 15 Sep 1884, McCloud, Lafourche Parish, LA [birth located in Lockport Church records Vol. 2 pg 108]; d. 20 May 1966, Raceland, Lafourche Parish, LA; m. 14 February 1909, LA to Louie Etienne DAVIET. Alice was the daughter and eldest child of Joseph Saulet GUIDROZ and Adelle Louisa CHAUVIN. Joseph Saulet GUIDROZ b. 23 May 1856 (have second date, 20) Lafourche Parish, LA [birth located in Lockport Church records Vol. 1 #201]; d. 14 April 1931 of throat cancer; m. 29 January 1883 in Lafourche, Louisiana [located in Thibodaux Court House Marriage Records Vol. 24 #16] to Adelle Louisa CHAUVIN. Adelle was the daughter of Emile Louis CHAUVIN and Marie Josephine PART. Adelle and Joseph were 3rd cousins once removed, connected through the FALGOUT family. Joseph's parents were Athenore/Athinore (other variations are found) GUIDROZ and Charlotte Celima/Celina VERLION DEGRUISE. Charlotte Celima/Celina VERLION DEGRUISE was born 30 July 1829 in Thibodaux, Lafourche Parish, LA; m. 13 February 1847 (have second date, 12) in Thibodaux, Lafourche Parish, LA [information found at Thibodaux Court House, Marriage Records, Vol. 5 #2 and in Thibodaux Church Records Vol. 3 pg 7] to Athenore/Athinor(e) GUIDROZ. Charlotte Celima/Celina's parents were Joseph Damien VERLION DEGRUISE and Charlotte FALGOUT. Joseph Damien VERLION DEGRUISE (also appears in records as Duminic Joseph/ Dominque/ Dumeni/ Dumenil) b. 1 September 1785, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; d. by 2 April 1853 [noted in son Joseph's marriage record listed in SLR Vol. 3 pg 170]; m. 13 July 1812, Assumption Church, Plattenville, Assumption Parish, LA to Charlotte FLAGOUT, daughter of George Beaumont (Antoine) FLAGOUT and Marguerite Marie CHAUVIN. [The mutual FLAGOUT ancestors of Adelle Louisa CHAUVIN and Joseph Saulet GUIDROZ are George's parents, Louis Marcel FALGOUT dit Beaumont and Marie Jeanne CASTAN.] Joseph Damien's parents were Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUIS(E)/DEGRUY and Marianne/Marie COU(R)TURIER. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUIS(E)/DEGRUY b. 8 March 1752, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; m. before 1771 to Marianne/Marie COU(R)TURIER, daughter of Pierre COUTURIER and Marie Francois LEKINTREK dit Dupont. Joseph's parents were Jean Baptiste Antoine Valentin, Ecuyer, DEGRUY VERLOIN, Lord Dumenil Fouchard, Duke of France, Ecuyer, del la Folie and Marie Therese AUFRERE. The information I have on Joseph and his father Antoine and mother Marie are from internet postings and various books, all secondary sources. I have no primary sources for these two couples. If you have any questions or wish more data, please contact me. Sincerely, Robin Butler Daviet

Hi, Here's a question I'm throwing out there in case someone can help me..... I know how to make these accent marks Renée, François, Degruÿ....... so: é, ç, ü.... How do you make an accent grave.... ? I make Renée .. by typing Ren... then my option key and "e", then "e" again I make François by typing Fran... then option key and "c" and then "c" again I make Degruÿ by typing Degru... then option key and "u" and then "y" but I don't know how to make the grave accent in, say, Thér e se.... can anyone help?????? Thanks, Renée

For anyone interested, here are DeGruy entries in the Orleans Parish Poll Tax Rolls 1869-1870 I'm not sure what we can glean from this other than the person listed was still living during these years and we can find out what ward they are in. Evidently the second number refers to a page number... and on the page would tell us whether or not they paid their poll tax.... so limited information... but, here it is for what it's worth: Degruy, Charles 7-19 DeGruy, Charles 5-26 Degruy, Edouard 5-73 DeGruy. F. 5-26 DeGruy, Francis 6-20 Degruy, H. 7-19 Degruy, J.V. 5-21 DeGruy, Joseph 5-73 DeGruy, Louis 5-25 DeGruy, O. V. 6-19 Degruy, P.O. 7-21 no Dufouchars or Verloins listed First Ward: From Felicity to Thalia Second Ward: From Thalia to Julia Third Ward: From Julia to Canal Fourth Ward: From Canal to St. Louis Fifth Ward: From St. Louis to St. P:hilip Sixth Ward: From St. Philip to Esplanade Seventh Ward: From Esplanade to Elysian Fields Eighth Ward: From Elysian Fields to Lafayette Ninth Ward: From Lafayette to lower limits of city Tenth Ward: From Felicity to First Eleventh Ward; From First to Toledano, upper limits of city "By 1870, the city of New Orleans and Orleans Parish annexed the City of Jefferson, which had been part of Jefferson Parish. This area became the Twelfth, Thirteenth, and Fourteenth Wards of New Orleans. [There are a couple of wards which will be published at a later date] The poll tax was, in 1868, a requisite to voting.... It was leveled on all male inhabitants of the State over the age of 21. It was not to exceed $1.50 a year. Proceeds were earmarked for school and charitable purposes. It was finally abolished in 1934. Addresses were omitted in this book but can be found on the original microfilm.

Hi, Celine is helping us out a lot..... Here are today's entries. We now have 52+ vital records! Keep 'em comin!!! Entered 12-14-04 MARRIAGE RECORD RAOUL VERLOIN DEGRUY ANDE CLARA MARIE BEL 27 Sept 1903 [Raoul was the son of Octave Verloin Degruy and Odile M. Derbes and Clara was the daughter of Edward Peter Bel and Emma Johanna Jarick?] ------------------------------------ ALPHONSE DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 27 MAR 1830 [son of Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin] ------------------------------------- EUGENE JOSEPH DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 13 NOV 1831 [son of Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin] ------------------------------------ MARIE ANTOINETTE AMELIA DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 10 MAR 1834 [daughter of Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin] ------------------------------------ MARIE ANAISE DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 7 SEP 1844 [daughter of Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin]

Sorry, I didn't check her birth year. She was born in the 1700s. Too early to be on the Nova records. Carolyn Tregre

The obit says she is a native of the city. Is she listed on the NOVA list in the index as a birth? Carolyn Tregre

Additional primary data received.... we are really cookin' here!!! 15 NOVEMBER 1900 AUGUST V. RIGOB [SON OF ANTOINE RIGOB & CLEMENCE VOGT] AND MISS LOUISE VERLOIN DE GRUY DAUGHTER OF JOSEPH [F? T?] VERLOIN DEGRUY & JOSEPHINE A FOUCHER] WITNESSES: MARIE RIGOB AND ? PHILIP? HEILOD? [CAN’T READ] ------rec’d 12-13-04 Henry Degruy [son of Etienne Bernard and ? 20 Apr 1820 Etienne Anthime [son of Etienne Bernard &???Azelie Bachemin 2 Sep 1825 Marie Coralie Henriette Degruy 23 Aug 1823 BC Raoul Verloin [son of ? Verloin, 39 and Marie Odile Derbes,33] 9 July 1882 --------------------------------------------- 1422 Miguel Degruys 20 May 1791 Have a record in Spanish so I am totally lost... seems to be a birth certificate. Signed by Fr. Luis De Quintanilla? Here are some of the essentials Names mentioned are: Antonio Duffouchar Degruys, y de Da Henriquetta Laissard... sus abuelos paternos Dn Juan Bautista Degruys, natural de la Cuidad? de Paris, y Da Maria Teresa Offraire, natural de esta Parroquia; y los maternos Dn Estevan Laissard natural de Rochefort, y De Helena Fazende, natural de esta Parroquia; .... Dn Miguel Fortier, y Da Maria Celeste Tomassin..... ----------------------------------- JOSEPH ANTHIME VERLOIN DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 28 DEC 1849 ANTHIME VERLOIN DEGRUY AND JOSEPHINE LAURE HARANG [NATIVE OF JEFFERSON PARISH] Paternal grandparents: Joseph Verloin De Gruy and Marie Heloise Saulet Maternal grandparents: Louis Harang and Madam Dugary? Livaudais ====== Marie Felide Degruy birth Certificate 23 November 1847 Joseph Camille Deguy and Ore Leonide St. Amand Record page 1206 [1246] ========== Marie Verloin De Gruy birth certificate 17 October 1848 Anthime Verloin De Gruy & Josephine Laure Harang paternal grandparents: Joseph Verloin De Gruy and Marie Heloise Saulet Maternal grandparents: Louis harang and Dugay Liveaudais [can’t read] Gagnet Marie Cecile Alphonse Elodie Degruy F W 09/30/1836 9 315 k ===================== DeGruy Azelie Etienne Bernard Marie Azelie Bachemin [a native of the Parish of Plaquemine] F W 10/10/1836 8 243 Maternal grandparents: Antoine De Gruy and Marie Henriette Layssard; Maternal grandparents: Jacques Bachemin & Marie Henriette Layssard. ====================== Have complete birth records for the following; some of these list grandparents and sponsors; others do not; but can't take the space to give all of those entries or street names in this email: DeGruy Charles Joseph Etienne Bernard Marie Azelie Bachemin M W 03/17/1839 8 243 Fortier Ida Jacques Omer Augustine Milanie F W 09/13/1842 7 640 Laperle Degruy Fortier Alice Jacques Omer Augustine Milanie F W 04/06/1844 7 641 Laperle Degruy DeGruy Marie Anaise Etienne Bernard Marie Azelie Bachemin F W 09/07/1844 8 244 Jaquet Joseph Alcee Gustave Ursin Marie Corinne Verloin DeGruy M W 10/07/1845 8 400 Nogues Zachary George Marc Pierre Felix Lise Dufouchar Degruy M W 03/22/1847 9 685 Fortier Adele Omer Augustine Laparle Degruy F W 01/02/1849 9 1498 Nogues Henry Allen Pierre Felix Lise Dupoucheu Degruy M W 11/20/1850 11 613 Desforges Louise Alice Patrick Adolphe Adelaide Olympe Degruy F W 09/21/1852 13 253 Planchard Louis Randolph John James Edgar Antoinette Amelia DeGruy M W 05/06/1854 14 293 Degruy ----- Baptiste Leda Berthlot M W 07/18/1856 17 169 [Looks like “T” Baptiste Degruy, but could be “J” Baptiste Barstow Henry Degruy John Pauline Greeg M - 02/07/1865 50 354 Saquet {Jaquet] Anne Elida DeGruy Gustave Ursin Marie Corine Verloin F W 11/21/1865 38 712 --------------------------- And a couple of non-primary entries: FROM THE LOUISIANA HISTORICAL QUARTERLY, V. 13, 1930, PAGE 326 DECEMBER 19 MARRIAGE CONTRACT of Sr. Pierre Couturier, surgeon in the Fourth Company of the Swiss Regiment of Karrer, son of Benoist Couturier and Marie David, a native of Tassaon in Poitou, Bishopric of Poitiers; and Miss Marie Françoise Le Kintrek, minor daughter of Jean Joseph Le Kintrek, called Dupont and of Anne Marie Pose, a native of New Orleans. Signed: Couturier, mari jeanne Le Kintrek. lekintrek. daniell bops. Mentzinge. joly. julie leveque. francoise Le Kintrek. Cantrelle Chantalou. Henry, notary. In Margins: Dec. 19, (25298) fo. 26. (3915) 6 pp. Marriage contract Pierre Couturier, surgeon 4th Com- pany, Swiss Regiment of Karrer, and marie Fran- coise Le Kintrek [note... a year is not given on the page I have; must have occurred earlier in the article...but according to other information I have, the year was 1744] I do not know if you consider that an excerpt like this in the La Historical Quarterly “counts” as a vital record.... -------------------------------------------- This isn’t a primary record but I have a statement dated 20 April 1980 from a Mrs. Mary B. Oalmann, Military Historian of the Louisian Army and Air National Guard: Juan Bautista de Gruy - First Lieut - Served in teh German militia seventeen years, four months and fourteen days; in this Regiment eight years, ten months and nineteen days. Took part in the surprise of the Fort Butte siege and taken of Baton Rouge in 1779; sige and taken of Mobile in 1780. Alemanes [Militia] Records Transcribed from the Libros de Vita et Moribus y Servicios, Years 1792, and 1800, which are preserved in the general archives of the Indies. Seville, Spain, in papeles procedents de Cuba. Packet #161. Reference: WPA Volume #250, page 53 Rosters - Spanish Infantry, General Galvez, 1779-82. ----------------------------------------- Terrebonne Life Lines, Vol. 23 No. 3 Fall 2004 page 199 Lafourche Parish Pension Applications at NSU abstract by Goldie Legendre Application on file in the Archives of Nichollls State University, the numbers proceding entry are file numbers at Nicholls. Other pension applications may be found in the Civil Suits on the 2nd floor at Lafourche Parish Court House in Thibodaux. 92-6-14 Widow of Dumini Verloin Degruise, (Charlotte Falgout) for service in War of 1812 under Capt. Francois Legrendre. English, poor condition, stained. May 5, 1852 Names in document; Louis S. Allain of Lafourche, Zenon Chauvin (affiant), Leon Falgout (affiant), Dumini Verloin Degruise, Francois Legrendre, Charlotte Falgout (witness) J. E. Toups (witness)

I have about 4 more records to add to ones previously sent, but am still verifying spellings.... will send later. However, I need help with this one.... Does anyone recognize this person.... I can't read the last name... but here's the rest of the info: Mr or Mrs. John Conn [that's what it looks like, but not sure], a native of NO aged 32 years residing on Bolivar streets between Poydras and Lafayette streets, who hereby declares that on Sept 11, 1858 at eight o'clock am Mary Elisabeth Dugry [hard to read - might be Degruy, might be Dugry] Conn, a native of this city, aged 65 years died...The deceased was married to Mr. John Conn, Sr a native of New Castle, Delaware. Now I think this is not a Degruy and that I should pitch the record, but thought I ought to run it by you first..... Rene

Greetings: This is an update on the project mentioned previously to collect copies of as many Degruy records [primary data] as possible. I am going to list the "documents" I have to date.... I will list subsequently others as they are received from you or obtained through research. RECORDS IN POSSESSION: MARIE THÉRÈSE AUFRÈRE, BAPTISM, SLC 29 DEC 1728 SLC [two versions, one on lined paper [page 259] in French, the other in English, an extract from the SLC JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN DEGRUY, BAPTISM, SLC 16 MAR 1751 Parrain: Jean Baptiste Claude Bobe Sieur Descloseaux Counsellor for the King, Commissioner of the Treasury of the Marines at Mobile Marraine: Dame Françoise Aufrere Record mentions that he died 28 Feb 1838 [Extract from baptismal register of SLC, certified direct translation from the French; Also have a xerox copy of the original entry in French from Book II Page 212] PIERRE DEGRUYSE child of Antoine & Marie Therese) 15 SEP 1757 SLC, BORN 13 SEPT 1757 Parrain: Mr. De Chaber, Captain of Troops Marraine: Charlotte de Lalandes [Have 3 versions: extract from baptismal register of SLC; and xerox of original entry in French from Book of Baptisms III 1753-15, page 83; ALSO AN EARLIER EXTRACT FROM ST. LOUIS BASILICA ARCHIVES] JOSEPH DUSSAULT DE LA CROIX, BIRTH & BAPTISM 17 NOV 1760 [Have the extract in a Book listing the parish registers of churches in Kaskaskia areas; this one being Immaculate Conception of Our Lady in Kaskaskia, Illinois], along with a microfilm copy of the original entry in French] DUSSAULT DE LA CROIX & MARIE THÉRÈSE AUFRÈRE, MARRIAGE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION IN KASKASKIA 18 FEB 1760 [2 versions, one abstracted in book, the other microfilm of French entry in Kaskaskia records] ANTOINE AUFRERE, INTERMENT, SLC (child of Antoine & Marie Therese) IMMACULATE CONCEPTION IN KASKASKIA 11 ? 1775 record mentions Hyacinte De Gruy as marraine [copied from interment register of SLC JEAN BAPTISTE & ELISABET MOUTEU DE MOMBREAULT, MARRIAGE, ST. MARTIN COURT HOUSE 4 MAY 1779 [from the original acts, Book 1 No 23 Page 127 JOSEPH DE GRUY COUTURIER & MARIE LOUISE SAULET Y PERY, MARRIAGE REGISTER 16 OCT 1800 SLC Note says he died Aug 19, 1840. He is a native of the Parish of St. Charles on the First German Coast, Des Allemands. [Transcript of the Act #514, Marriage Register, SLC.] PEDRO VERLOIN DEGRUYS [SON OF JOSEPH VERLOIN DEGRUYS & MARIANA COUTURIER) AND AZELIA ST. AMAND (DAUGHTER OF MIGUEL ST. AMAND & FRANCISCA ZERINGUE) WERE LAWFULLY MARRIED ON THE 9TH OF MARCH 1816, SLC, MARRIAGE BK 3 [1803-1821] , PAGE 169B ACT 562 WITNESSES: JUAN PHELIPE BOUTETT & ALEXANDRO ST. AMAND & JOSEPH VERLOIN DEGRUYS, PEDRO DEGURYS VERLOIN ET ST. AMAND CHILD OF PEDRO DEGRUYS VERLOIN & ASELIA ST. AMAND BORN ON 12TH OF MARCH 1817 AT [NOT STATED] BAPTIZED ON THE 26TH OF JANUARY 1818 AT SLC SPONSORS: JOSEPH VERLOIN "EL JOVEN" & CESARIA ST. AMAND BAPTISM BK 8 [1815-1818], PAGE 145, ACT #884 PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS: JOSEPH VERLOIN DEGRUYS & MARIANA COUTURIER MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS: MIGUEL ST. AMAND & FRANCISCA ZERINGUE FELICITE VERLOIN DE GROUEY ET SAULET (CALLED ESTELLE) BAPTISM 15 MAY 1820, BORN 9 MAY 1820 SLC PARRAIN: ANTOINE FOUCHER, JR MARRAINE: MLLE. FELICITE FOUCHER, (SISTER TO MARIE HELOISE SAULET DE GRUY, FELICITE MELICERTE SAULET FOUCHER) JOSEPH VERLOIN DEGRUYS, INTERMENT (husband of Marianne Couturier) 23 JAN 1830 SLC Book of Funerals 104 #677 JOSEPH VERLOIN DEGRUY, INTERMENT RECORD (husband of Marie Louise Saulet, #1530 19 AUGUST 1840 P. H. DEGRUY AND MRS. P. BRANDON [WIDOW] MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE [JUSTICE OF PEACE] 11 MAY 1867 (Note: it has yet to be determined if this is Pierre Henry Degruy or Pierre Huxelle Degruy, or if they are both the same person] EMILE VERLOIN DEGRUY, DEATH RECORD 17 NOV 1868 Native of Louisiana aged fifty-two years. Was living on Burgundy street between Hospital and Ursulines streets. ALBERT JOSEPH DEGRUY [CHILD OF PIERRE DEGRUY & MARIE CECILIA CUNIGHAM (CUNNINGHAM)], BORN ON THE 30 APRIL 1870 AT NOT STATED BAPTIZED ON THE 4TH OF AUGUST 1870 AT ST. AUGUSTINE CHURCH SPONSORS: MANUEL JOSEPH TRANEIHEAD [? CAN'T READ] & EMMA LUNA BAPTISM BK 4 [1863-1871], PAGE 311 (following difficult to read -- could use some help with this one. Who is this? Can't read.) DEATH CERTIFICATE MRS. MICHAEL ST. AMAND ???? ??? [page cut off.... can't tell what she is in relation to: VERLOIN DE GRUY, A NATIVE OF LOUISIANA, AGED EIGHTY-EIGHT YEARS, DIED... MAY 14, 1873... IN GRETNA. SIGNED [CANT READ LOOKS LIKE JLE DE GRUY] AZELIE DE GRUY DEATH CERTIFICATE A NATIVE OF NEW ORLEANS, AGED SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS... DIED ON 15 APRIL 1874 AT NO. 266, MELPONENE STREET IN THIS CITY [MALARIAL FEVER] PIERRE HUXELLE DE GRUY, DEATH CERTIFICATE 11 SEPT 1883 Notes that he died of Malarial Fever, was married and a clerk by occupation ALBERT DE GRUY [SON OF HENRY DEGRUY & MARY CUNNINGHAM} AND MARY RUTH [DAUGHTER OF JOHN RUTH AND PAULINE HERZOG] WERE MARRIED 12TH OF JUNE 1889, IN PRESENT OF H. L. PUF... [ILLEGIBLE] [BUFIELD?] AND MRS. H. L. BUFIELD [?] MARRIAGE REGISTER OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST CHURCH, DRYADES ST. MARRIAGE BOOK 4, PART 1, 1882-1900, PAGE 87, ACT ? IDA JOSEPHINE DE GRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE [LAWFUL ISSUE OF ALBERT DE GRUY AND DEPONENT (MARY DE GRUY] 22 AUGUST 1890 ALBERT JOSEPH DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 27 SEPTEMBER 1891 [LAWFUL ISSUE OF ALBERT DE GRUY AND DEPONENT, MARY DE GRUY BORN RUTH] LOUISA JOSEPHINE DEGRUY BIRTH CERTIFICATE 16 OCT 1894 [LAWFUL ISSUE OF ALBERT DEGRUY AND THE DEPONENT [MARY DEGRUY BORN RUTH] ALBERT DE GRUY DEATH CERTIFICATE 23 OCT 1896 PNEUMONIA DECEASED WAS MARRIED, A LABORER MARRIAGE FRANK F. HOTARD [SON OF NOE HOTARD AND MARIE GAZANO] AND LOUISE DE GRUY [DAUGHTER OF ALBERT DE GRUY AND MARY RUTH] 9 APRIL 1913 MARY RUTH DEATH RECORD MARY RUTH WIDOW OF ALBERT DE GRUY... AGED 42... DEPARTED LIFE 18 JULY 1917 LOUISE DE GRUY [WIFE OF FRANK F. HOTARD DEATH CERTIFICATE 22 JULY 1924 [NAME OF FATHER: ALBERT DE GRUY; NAME OF MOTHER: MARIE RUTH] 15 NOVEMBER 1900 AUGUST V. RIGOB [SON OF ANTOINE RIGOB & CLEMENCE VOGT] AND MISS LOUISE VERLOIN DE GRUY DAUGHTER OF JOSEPH [F? T?] VERLOIN DEGRUY & JOSEPHINE A FOUCHER] WITNESSES: MARIE RIGOB AND ? PHILIP? HEILOD? [CAN'T READ] ---------------------- Many thanks to David, Bob, Celine, Rosemary who added many of these records to those I already had. We're on our way to collecting primary records for all our Degruys. Please feel free to send any corrections, especially in those instances where I could not read the handwriting in the records. I welcome any other records which list members may send by scaning & emailing, faxing, or mailing to me. Renee

From Renee in St. Louis: To: Members of Degruy-L and other Genealogy Email Pals: If you are seriously interested in family history research, you might want to read this email posted to LAORLEAN by Margaret Miesterfield. I did what she suggested just now ... and contacted our Missouri senators and asked them to insert the line described below.... You might want to also: Today I received this information from our local genealogical society in Michigan. Thought everyone should be aware. Margaret Miesterfeld HR10, which was mentioned in the 13 October issue of RootsWeb Review, has passed out of the U.S. House of Representatives and is now part of S.2845. The amendments suggested by David Rencher in his letter to the bill's sponsor, Congressman J. Dennis Hastert, were NOT incorporated into this legislation. Thus, the terms of HR10 will now be considered by the Senate, as part of S.2845. If S.2845 becomes law, as now written, family historians will face some real challenges in attempts to obtain birth records, even on long- deceased individuals. Specifically, what genealogists need to do is suggest to their lawmakers the addition of Sec. 3061(b)(1)(A)(iii) that would read: "who is alive on the date that access to their birth certificate is requested." This addition would clarify that the legislation (soon to be law) applies ONLY to birth certificates of CURRENTLY LIVING PERSONS. If you do not know your U.S. Senator's e-mail address, you can find it at <http://www.senate.gov/> http://www.senate.gov/ This bill can be found online at <http://thomas.loc.gov/> http://thomas.loc.gov/ Put in S.2845 (in the bill number window) and then select item No. 3; and go to Subtitle B--Identity Management Security; Chapter 2--Improved Security for Birth Certificates. Previously published in RootsWeb Review: 8 December 2004, Vol. 7, No. 49.

Good Morning, I'm very appreciative this morning. When I awoke I had waiting for me on my computer an email from Celine who has emailed me a copy of Emil Verloin DeGruy's death certificate. This was in response to a previous email, that you may remember my having sent, which mentioned that I would begin to collect in a binder for now primary data and then eventually post to a web site. What I hope to do soon is to list the certificates I already have and then see how many we can fill in. I also have Judy Riffel at the La Archives starting to do work in this area.... copying certificates and sending them to me. Soon I will send a list of those records which I already have so we don't have to worry about those. It would save a lot of money and time for others to follow Celine's example; however, I do understand that this is the busiest time of year. Now here's a "methodology" question for you and I invite your opinions and comments...... What about "secondary" sources....? like the fat Albert Robichaux book with Birth, Marriage, Death records....? There are, for example, 5 or 6 records in there for Steven Degruy and his family.... The records seem to give every bit of data.... witnesses, grandparents, etc. Should we let these "count" for now and work on the records that don't appear in such data sources as Robichaux and ANOSR [Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records]......? That would save $. Or should I bite the dust and order even these documents? Isabel? Celine? Bonnie? .... all you "hard core" researchers... what do you think... Ok... gotta go get my car fixed. Renee

I got a kick out of this quote from one of the two web sites I notified you of in a previous email: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is surmised that Latil must have sold the portion of the rear of the Brazillier plantation south of Bayou Road which he owned, a triangle in shape, to Pierre Couturier. Couturier had been the surgeon for the Fourth Company of the Swiss Regiment of Karrer, the only permanent military company stationed in New Orleans during the French regime. Many of its officers founded Louisiana families, notably Gregoire Volant, whose daughter married Francois Pascalis de La Barre and whose son was executed by O'Reilly for instigating the revolt against Spanish authority in 1768. When he wasn't practicing surgery, Couturier imported furs and deer skins from western Louisiana and exported them to France. Couturier married Marie Francoise le Kintrek, the daughter of Jean Joseph Le Kintrek (called Dupont) and of Anne Marie Pose of New Orleans. Marie Le Kintrek must have soon died, permitting Couturier to marry into the Chevalier family for Couturier's brother-in-law after 1751 was Chevalier, storekeeper for the King in Illinois. Couturier's widow, Jeanne Chevalier, remarried Santiago Lamothe. After his death, she sold the property to Gabriel Peyroux in 1778. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This reminded me of Antoine Valentin... who, although he was stationed in the military at Fort Chartres and doing whatever was involved in his military service was also on the side wheeling and dealing in real estate and running his lead mine operations..... They were great multi-taskers, weren't they! ;-) Renee

Check these out for a reference to Marianne Couturier's parents [Pierre Couturier and Marie Francoise and other Dupont Le Kintreks.....] Remember, Marianne Couturier was married to Joseph Verloin De Gruy [Son of Antoine and Marie Therese Aufrere] http://www.nolabb.com/history.html and another for Jean Le Kintrek http://www.opelousas.info/history/stlandry/index.php

Mississippi Valley Mélange Volume 2 Winston De Ville Page 18 "Louisiana Officiers in 1740: The Bienville Recommendations" Notes on Officers of Louisiana Troops "Cadets A Eguillette" "De Gruis: He served in France, and was in two campaigns there. He has been here for one year. He conducts himself very wisely and is very exacting toward his service, and has spirit; age 23." [Note: date makes his birth year 1717] Page 56 Southwest Louisiana Militiamen During the American Revolution: The Rosters of Attakapas and Opelousas Posts in 1780 Attakapas Totals [Enslaved] Negro Hunters On Whom We Can Count: Sénon a Mr. De Gruy Mississippi Valley Mélanage Volume IV Winston de Ville IV French Troops in the Province of Louisiana: A Roster Dated 29 August 1758 by Robert de Berardinis, OMPL [Some notes by de Berardinis: "The following description of French troops in Louisiana is the last roster in the French Archives d'outre-mer that encompasses the entire province. This list, prepared at the height of the French and Indian War, shows all officers serving detached infantry duty under the Naval Ministry, except for the 4th company of the Swiss Regiment of Hallwyl that, at this time was the responsibility of the War Ministry....This list represents the high water mark of French troops in Louisiana as the rosters show diminished troop concentrations after 1758. Within five years of the writing of this roster, there would be only four companies of French troops in the province. Seven more years would pass before the last contingent of French soldiers would leave Louisiana in 1770, alhtough their fascinating legacy and progeny remain today."] Page 38 [Company of] de Trant Illinois P M Degruy, Lieutenant

For your information, I now have copies made from the microfilmed records of several churches in the Illinois area around Fort de Chartres and Kaskaskia. I'm not going to try to transcribe the French... again handwriting which is a bit difficult to read... Here's what I have: From Immaculate Conception of Our Lady in Kaskaskia, Il. Abbreviated entry in English says: De LaCroix, Dussault s/Dussault de la Croix - chevalier of the order of St. Louis, Mayor of the town of Gap in Dauphine - & Dame Marie Francoise Borel to Marie Theres Aufrere, Widow of Antoine de Gruys, lieutenant of the troops of the marine. 18 Feb 1760 The French is a lot longer. If I ever get a full translation, I'll post it. A birth record for a Pierre Joseph who was born to Marie Therese Aufrere's second husband Abbreviated entry in English says: Dussault de la Croix, Joseph and Marie Therese Dufresne dit Michel [Aufrere?] Pierre Joseph 17 Nov 1760 born; 22 Jan 1761 baptism [Note that Marie Therese is referred to by her maiden name and not by DeGruy; however, the marraine is listed as Hyacinthe De Gruys I also have some entries for La Lande but haven't figured out if these are "our" La Landes. Keep in mind that Marie Therese Aufrere's parents were Antoine Aufrere and Marie Mathurine Guillmot dit La Lande... and Marie Maturine's parents were [I believe] : Jacques Francois Lalande Guilmot [Guillemet] and Madeline Dupont. Now there is a Jean Baptist La Lande dit Guillemot and Charlotte Marchand listed in the records of Sainte Anne Mission and Church of Fort Chartres, Illinois and they had a child named Louis born 25 Feb 1744, but I'm not sure these are definite relatives of ours... so I made the copy and will tuck it away until things become clearer Now, do any of you know exactly when Marie Therese Aufrere and her second husband [Joseph Dussault [Dusiau] de la Croix] moved back to New Orleans? When do they show up there? Also, I have as a siblings to Marie Therese Aufrere the following: Antoine Alexandre, Francois, Paul Antoine..... does anyone have anything different than this? I have as Marie Therese and Joseph Dussault De La Croix's children: Pierre Joseph, Adelaide, Balthasar. This would be in contrast to the children of Marie Therese and Antoine Valentin: Marie Francois Hyacinte, Jean Baptiste Valentin, Joseph Verloin, Antoine Dufouchard, Pierre Dumini, Marie Therese and Hortense.... This suggests that Marie Therese Aufrere had a combined total of 10 children from her two marriages. Again, does anyone have anything different? ok.. 'nuff for now. Renee

Hi, I've been talking with Judy Riffel in Baton Rouge and we are working out an arrangement where she will do look ups for me at the Archives. Here's my thought: I want to start a Degruy binder which will simply list alphabetically, all Degruys.... and include only primary data: Birth, Marriage, and Death records. If I can ever get this web site going, we can eventually list them there. In the mean time we will be collecting the beginnings of a Degruy database... which will include factual information. I invite you to participate, if you are so inclined. You can send me photocopies of any B, M, D records which you may have in your collections. I will post these to the list as I receive them. This way, there won't be any need to duplicate someone else's efforts. As soon as I have time I will give you a list of the BMD records I already have so you won't have to duplicate these. I will also let Judy know so that she won't duplicate any records. This will greatly save time and $$$. Send a message to degruylist@earthlink.net and I'll send you my snail mail address. Prefer to do this in a less public way than an internet mailing list. Again, we will start to publish these when we have a vehicle to do so. I will be much more comfortable with all the Degruy data once we have some primary records to back up all the material that is floating around out there in the ethers.... won't you? If you think there is anything to discuss about this, just let me know. Renee in St. Louis ps Right now I have 8 people listed as receiving the list messages and 11 as receiving digests of Degruy-L. However, I don't know how often Rootsweb updates this information, so these numbers may be incorrect. I know that a couple of folks have signed off as they go on vacation and will resubscribe when they return. The point is that I've been sending messages to Degruy-L and copying some other Degruy researchers. If you are getting our messages twice, let me know and I'll send only to the list. If you are not getting the list messages and want to, please subscribe. If you can't figure out how, let me know and I'll subscribe you myself. It would be easier on me to be able to send to just the list.

Here are some of the Aufrere citations in the Kaskaskia Manuscripts which I was working with today when I visited Chester, Illinois and the Randolph County Courthouse. Enjoy. Renee 48:3:13:1 [March 3, 1748] "Sale of a windmill at Fort de Chartres by Jean Baptiste Lalande of Kaskaskia and his wife Charlotte Marchand, to Maturine Guilmot, wife of Aufrere, merchant of New Orleans, and to her son-in-law Antoine Valentin De Gruyverloins Dumenil Fouchard De La Folie, of KIaskaskia, for 3000 in notes and 1300 livres of flour. Gossiaux has been paid to complete construction of the mill, by the seller, who acquired the land by grant from De Bertet and Delaloere Flaucour. Executed at Kaskaskia. Jean Baptiste Robitaille; Jerome Matis; Barrois [cont. on Card 2] 4pp. Com VII, 116 K185A/H682 See 44:11:22:2, 45:12:6:2, 48:3:13:2, 48:4:25:4 48:3:13:2 "Sale of a windmill at Fort de Chartres by Jean Baptiste Lalande of Kaskaskia and his wife Charlotte Marchand to Mathurine Guillemot, wife of the merchant Aufrere of New Orleans, and her son-in-law Antoine Valentin De Gruy Verloins of Kakaskia for 3000 livres. Followed by receipt for payment in full dated April 25, 1748. Copy. Joseph Buchet; Gossiaux; de Bertet; De Laloire Flaucourt; Jean Baptiste Robitaille; Jerome Maris; Barrois; Joseph Chauvin dit Charleville. 4pp. See: 48:3:13:1 Rec.I,68. 48:4:25:4 "Acknowledgement by Jean Baptiste Lalande and his wife Charlotte Marchand, of receipt from Mathurine Guilmot, wife of Aufrere, of 900 livres, the remainder of a debt of 3000 livres, the price of a windmill and other property. Executed at Kaskaskia. Joseph Chauvin; Jerome Matis; Barrois 1p See: 48:3:13:1 Com. VII, 155 56:7:10:1 "Agreement to settle the share of the estate of Mathurine Guillemot, deceased at New Orleans on March 6, 1755, wife of Antoine Aufrere, belonging to Marie Therese Aufrere, her daughter and wife of Antoine Valentin Degruis Verloin since Aug. 17, 1743. Executed by notary Chantalou in New Orleans. Followed by ratification of agreement by Marie Therese Aufrere dated July 28, 1758. Copy. Garie; Le Breton; Henry; Francoise Aufrere; Gerard Pery; Joseph Songy; Louis Estienne Besnard; Antoine Thomassins. [Cont. on Card 2] Card 2 4pp. See: 44:11:22:2, 45:12:6:2, 48:3:13:1, 0:--:--:9. Rec I, 61 59:3:8-2 {take this to be March 8, 1759} "Sale at public auction of an old house and lot at Kaskaskia, belonging to the late De Gruy Verloin and his wife Marie Therese Aufrere. Bids also taken on April 1 and April 8, 1759, when property is sold to Joseph Chauvin Charleville for 2910 livres. Followed by receipt for payment in full on Jan. 15, 1760, at which time the widow is married to Dussiau. Executed at Kaskaskia. Hubardeau; Lavigne; Mme. La Fatigue; Charleville; Fagot; Pierre Baron; Francois Flogny; Labuxiere; Buchet; Geraudau; Lartefaille; La Giroflee; Casepin; Lemerance; Lagrange; Ridday. 4pp. Pub. III, 29/H326 62:6:17:1 [so June 17, 1762] "Sale of a stone house, outbuildings and lot at Kaskaskia and also a house, shed and equipment for working salt at La Saline, by Joseph Du Sceau and his wife Marie Therese Aufrere, acting for themselves and as guardians of the minor children of Marie Aufrere and her first husband, the late De Gruys Verloins, to Cadet Daniel Fagot La Garceniere, of Kaskaskia, for 38,500 livres. Executed in the Illinois. Followed by receipt for payment in full on Jan. 9. Based on Henry's 1856 translation; original not found. Richard [minors]; Chenie [minors]; Widow Chesnier; Girardeau; La Chance; Danneville; Jean Lagrange; Lagbuxiere. 3 PP See: 63:12:12:1 H449 63:2:19:1 "Sale of a house, earthen oven and lot by Jean Bte. Crely to Jean Bte. Lalande, of Prairie du Rocher, for 3500 livres, paid in full. Seller acquired property by inheritance from his father, the late Jean Bte. Crely. Executed in the Illinois. Danis; Antoine Taumur; Aufrere; Jacques Michel, Dufresne; Labuxiere. 2pp. Com. X, 61/H497

Hi All, Had a trip that was both great and miserable today. Great because I got to see places I'd been reading about for so long. Miserable because it alternated between pouring and heavy rain the entire driving trip. Also, all places except the Courthouse turned out to be closed [Closed Monday and Tuesday[, so I did not get to go through the Pierre Menard home... or the artifact museums.... Made $26 worth of copies at the courthouse!!!! I was very disappointed because the Clerk of Courts people led me to believe I'd find BMD records there and I didn't. Our people lived in Illinois earlier than anything they had, including successions and land grants. The earliest land records were from 1795, or so. What I did do was copy tons of material from the Kaskaskia Manuscripts [English translation] Most interesting items I'll list below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 59:3:8-2 {take this to be March 8, 1759} "Sale at public auction of an old house and lot at Kaskaskia, belonging to the late De Gruy Verloin and his wife Marie Therese Aufrere. Bids also taken on April 1 and April 8, 1759, when property is sold to Joseph Chauvin Charleville for 2910 livres. Followed by receipt for payment in full on Jan. 15, 1760, at which time the widow is married to Dussiau. Executed at Kaskaskia. Hubardeau; Lavigne; Mme. La Fatigue; Charleville; Fagot; Pierre Baron; Francois Flogny; Labuxiere; Buchet; Geraudau; Lartefaille; La Giroflee; Casepin; Lemerance; Lagrange; Ridday. 4pp. Pub. III, 29/H326 [Don't know what those last citations refer to as there is no explanatory material on the microfilm] Comments: This indicates that Antoine has died by March 1759. This is much earlier than the July-Sept 1759 found in other records. He does appear in some records from 1758.... However 1758 is not nearly as "active" as previous years. David Perrin thinks he was killed in the French/Indian war.... so maybe he was on assignment out of town during that "inactive" period. The last "living" entry is from January 12, 1758. So from January 12, 1758 till he has become the "late Degruy" a year and a couple of months are silent so far as entries in the records. There are at least 68 references citing Valentine and a couple for Marie Therese. Also mentioned is Marie Maturine Guillemot dit La Lande [Marie Therese Aufrere's mother], Antoine Aufrere, Jacques La Lande [Marie Therese's grandfather]. There is a reference to a De La Houssaye [Housset] (this pertinent to you, Jerry?), a Joseph De Guire, a Marie Rose Deguire, and a Pauline Deguire La Rose.... Not sure about whether those last 3 or 4 are pertinent to our family. There are a ton of references to a Jean Baptiste Deguire... not sure about him either. Just got a phone call from David and he has a documentation for another record saying Antoine died between July and September 1759.... So... I don't know how to reconcile these two differnet and yet documented dates... but, there they are.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now here's another interesting one because it mentions the minors of widow Marie Therese Aufrere DeGruy.... but doesn't list them.... 62:6:17:1 [so June 17, 1762] "Sale of a stone house, outbuildings and lot at Kaskaskia and also a house, shed and equipment for working salt at La Saline, by Joseph Du Sceau and his wife Marie Therese Aufrere, acting for themselves and as guardians of the minor children of Marie Aufrere and her first husband, the late De Gruys Verloins, to Cadet Daniel Fagot La Garceniere, of Kaskaskia, for 38,500 livres. Executed in the Illinois. Followed by receipt for payment in full on Jan. 9. Based on Henry's 1856 translation; original not found. Richard [minors]; Chenie [minors]; Widow Chesnier; Girardeau; La Chance; Danneville; Jean Lagrange; Lagbuxiere. 3 PP See: 63:12:12:1 H449 Comments: I don't recognize those minors... Where are Marie Therese and Antoine's children??????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Note that in all the records pertaining to Antoine, he is Never named Jean Baptiste Antoine....Here is how he is named [each taken from a separate record]: Degruyverloins Degruise [De Gruy], ensign in the garrison of Fort de Chartres De Gruy Antoine Valentin Degruy Dumenil Fouchard De la Folie, of Fort de Chartres Degruy Verloins De Gruy Verloins [this page has an interesting reference to a Pierre Louviere Damour Dechofour, of Kasaskia....(wondered if that was a spelling of Dufouchar)] Degruy Verloins, Degruy Verloin, Antoine Valentin De Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard De La Folie De Gruy Antoine Valentin de Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard De La Folie, of Fort Chartres Antoine Valentin de Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard De la Folie Antoine Valentin De Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard De La Folie, of Fort Chartres De Gruy, De Gruy, Degruy Verloins, [Here's one with Jean Baptiste Deguire in the same record as Degruy Verloins] Antoine Valentin De Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard De La Folie at Kaskaskia.... and then another sentence saying "Verloins will supply all the materials....." De Gruy Verloins, De Gruy Verloins, De Gruy Verloins, De Gruy Verloins Antoine Valentin Degruy Verloin Dumenil Fouchard de la Folie, of Kaskaskia Antoine Valentin Degruy Verloin Dumenil Fouchard de la Folie De Gruy, Degruy [a reference to a Jean Baptiste Deguire, master tailor of Kaskaskia -- not sure if he is pertinent to us or not] Antoine Valentin De Gruyverloins Dumenil Fouchard De La Folie, of Kaskaskia [this entry has both Antoine and Maturine Guilmot, wife of Aufrere, merchant of New Orleans... in it] De Gruy Verloins Antoine Valentin De Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard de la Folie De Gruy Verloins [Here's one with Jean Baptiste Deguire, master tailor with one of the witnesses being Degrui] another with Jean Baptiste Degruire, master tailor.... one of witnesses: Degruis Antoine Valentin Degruis Verloin De Gruy Verloins Degruis Degruys Antoine Valentin De Gruy Verloins Dumenil Fouchard de la Folie

Greetings: One of the items I researched while in Urbana, with a follow up in our local St. Louis County library, is a very interesting article in the Illinois State Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 31 #4 Winter 1999. It is written by Robert de Berardinis, OMPL, who lives in Houston. This pay book is very interesting because it lists two other Degruis in the service three years after Antoine's death. On page 236 of the Illinois journal article it lists: In the Company of de Noyon: Pierre degruis [Riflemen] who received 12.15 [livres] in July, August, September October and November for a total of 63.15 livres. Keep in mind that this is 1762. Then on page 240 of the article, it lists in the Company of Belnos: Jean Valentin degruis Cadet.... who received 4.10 livres in July.... but nothing in Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, for a total of 4.10 livres.... [We might ask... why just one month? Did he die? Was he sent elsewhere?] So...... we know that Antoine was not the only Degruis in the area. Keep in mind that Marie Therese Aufrere remarried Joseph Dussault De La Croix in 1760. How long did they remain in Illinois before returning to New Orleans???? Also: David Perrin insists that Antoine Valentine is buried between July and September of 1759 at Fort De Chartres [Not in New Orleans]. Some have him buried in St. Louis Cemetery #1, but as that cemetery didn't open until 1789, this cannot be correct. St. Louis Cemetery #2 opened in 1823. Note that Melanie Gaudin [JB's second wife] is buried in St. Louis Cemetery #1 in Jean Baptist's [son of Antoine Valentine] tomb. Thought you might find this all very interesting..... Renee