Renee and list, I'm still here, but I can't be said to be researching anything to the depth you guys are, in terms of obtaining archdiocesan records or anything (grad school is killing me :-) . When I can, I'm looking into whatever nooks of the Francois Verloin deGruy line that I can, as well as the mostly Floridian Del Castillos, Bonifays, and Pingrows (the latter from France via Martinique and there is no way that name is not a transcription error), largely for family stories and folklore. I have in my files a 1986 letter to one of the myriad Uncle Franks from a T.D. that offers to send details on "a famous duel that involved a Gaiennie." I don't yet know which Frank this was or who T.D. was, but if any of you know about this duel I would love to hear about it! The positive thing about grad school is that I have access to a couple of pay-per-search databases for newspaper files. I don't think they go back very far (maybe 30 years) but if anybody can think of any reason to want a search like this, please ask. Karma Naomi de Gruy Mobile, Alabama

I am researching descendants of: Pierre Verloin De Gruy (1779-1858) through his second wife, Francoise Azelie St. Amant (3 Apr 1799 - 15 Apr 1874) in particular, but I am also interested in the descendants of his first wife, Jeanne Dumenil Glapion (c. 1785 - 1805). I am also interested in his ancestors and descendants of his siblings, children of Joseph Verloin De Gruy (8 Mar 1752 - 22 Jan 1830) and Marieanne Couturier (c. 1753 - 25 Jul 1819) Francoise Azelie Daspit St. Amant (above) and her siblings and their descendants, children of Michel Daspit St. Amant (8 Aug 1756 - 9 May 1813) and Francoise Zeringue (27 Dec 1764 - 8 Dec 1827). I am also interested in collateral lines, particularly those that intermarried several times in the De Gruy family, such as Desforges Duffy Fazende Foucher Harang St. Pe Wiltz I am willing to help out on providing $ and research time (as my work permits). I have only one or two Archdiocesan records, but am willing to obtain more. Additionally, I can do more research on public records that are not commonly available for specific names in New Orleans city directories that are not available on the Orleans Parish GenWeb Archives site. For example, would a systematic listing of certain surnames such as Fazende and St. Amant be of interest to Degruy List members? Wally in Slidell

Hi.... Since some of you are hitting "reply"... your message, which you probably want to go to the whole list, is coming to me privately.... Let me distinguish.... When you want a message sent to the whole group of Degruy-L.... please send it to degruy-l@rootweb.com if you send it to degruylist@earthlink.net, it comes to me, Renee, privately and no one else sends it. The list is Rootsweb.... I am Earthlink I use my degruylist@earthlink.net for the purposes of administering Degruy-L.....for internet publication and to distinguish the list matters from other areas of interest.... The problem comes when people hit reply and don't check what is in the address bar. This is important to watch because you may be sending a private message and the entire list ends up reading it which has the potential for some embarrassment!!! As we do the roll call and sharing of Archdiocesan records, please send to degruy-l@rootsweb.com.... unless you want to ask me privately about the logistics of sending in your record.....In that case send to degruylist@earthlink.net Thanks, Renee

Hi, Unfortunately I've been an absent member for awhile and hopefully I can rectify that starting now. Names I'm researching: Verloin de Gruy Foucher Gaiennie Junqua Fazende Dedman Mykleby Michele (Shelley) Dedman ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: call for Archdiocesan records & roll call > Hi, > > Those of you who are on the LAORLEAN-l list know that recently they have > been having one of their periodic roll calls..... > This means that everyone on the list "checks in" by giving a list of the > names they are researching. > > We haven't done this in awhile... so Celine suggested that it might be a > good idea to have a Degruy-L roll, but one which will do double duty.... > > When you "check in" by giving the names you are researching, we invite > you to let us know if you have any copies of Archdiocesan records which > you are willing to share with the group. This will save us not only > unnecessary expense but also unnecessary duplication. > > So.... there it is.... > > Who is out there? > > Who are you researching? > > Do you have Archdiocesan BMD records which you are willing to share > which we can post to the Degruy Family Collaboration Web site? > > Once you let us know what you are willing to make available, we can > figure out the logistics of how to get them uploaded: mailed, scanned, > faxed.... whatever..... > > Thanking you in advance for your spirit of participation..... > > Renee > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi, Those of you who are on the LAORLEAN-l list know that recently they have been having one of their periodic roll calls..... This means that everyone on the list "checks in" by giving a list of the names they are researching. We haven't done this in awhile... so Celine suggested that it might be a good idea to have a Degruy-L roll, but one which will do double duty.... When you "check in" by giving the names you are researching, we invite you to let us know if you have any copies of Archdiocesan records which you are willing to share with the group. This will save us not only unnecessary expense but also unnecessary duplication. So.... there it is.... Who is out there? Who are you researching? Do you have Archdiocesan BMD records which you are willing to share which we can post to the Degruy Family Collaboration Web site? Once you let us know what you are willing to make available, we can figure out the logistics of how to get them uploaded: mailed, scanned, faxed.... whatever..... Thanking you in advance for your spirit of participation..... Renee

Hi Renee, Thanks for the DeGruy information in Genesis. Since I have ordered many Sacramental records on my various New Orleans lines, I know first hand that it can be quite expensive. For this reason, I believe the fair way to balance out the cost of these records is for anyone with a direct ancestor involved to collaborate with their "cousins" and take turns ordering the records. We just need to know who will be ordering the record, so that there is no unnecessary duplication. Get the least expensive records first, but remember that the sacramental records often give us another generation back when we are "stuck". Right now I am actively involved with researching over 10 direct ancestors with some original records in Germany, France, Ireland, England, Spain, and Scotland. Just knowing which are the best records to spend the money on is a challenge. Then there is the challenge of getting the right currency along with the correct forms to submit. Thanks again for all your time and effort in the DeGruy endeavor. Love to All, Isabel

Hi Renee, This is just a thought. I am willing to help in any way. If anyone is in the Jefferson Parish Genealogical Society, perhaps they could get the event sponsored. Perhaps the library itself would be willing to host the event at no cost for the room. It could be "Researching Your Early French Ancestors: A Case Study Using the DeGruy family of France, Illinois, and Louisiana". We have done that in the past at our local library. How many people can the room accommodate? We could list all allied family surnames and perhaps draw in fellow researchers who are working on these surnames. Our local library even publicized the event via bookmarks, free space in the Happenings or Events page of the local paper, and on the library bulletin board and web site. It is a good way to meet other related researchers and still give out general information to the public. We would need to reconstruct our research methods to let people know where to start looking. Perhaps we could do a handout on "How to properly document our efforts, keeping a research log, and handling ambiguous records." Start with the basics. In the past I have done some seminars on these topics, so I can prepare that information if you would like. My degree is in historical research, so I have no problem talking about how to research, and where to look for forgotten records. Bonnie might be interested in doing a presentation on how to effectively use interlibrary loan or give us some good pointers on other matters. You have taken trips to various areas to get answers, so you could do a presentation on these trips and show what records you discovered. You have used professional researchers, so again you can relate your experiences in this area. I am sure that there are others in our group who could contribute something, not only useful to our group, but to research in general. A seminar from 10a to 4p is what we usually do at our local library. We could devote the first two hours to presentations, and the last part to comparing notes,answering questions, and helping each other get past our "brick walls". Love to All, Isabel

Hi Again, I decided to look back at the previous issue of Genesis and submit pertinent information. [Apologies if I've done this already] The following is from New Orleans Genesis Vol XLIV APRIL 2005 NO. 174 From: St. Louis Cathedral Baptismal Register #15 2 January 1836-30 May 1838 [continued from a previous issue of Genesis]l St. Amand and Verloin Degruy page 64 Tarut and Degruy page 163 Verloin Degruy and Foucher page 64 Verloin Degruy and St. Amand page 64 Verloin Degruy and Foucher page 64 From St. Augustine Baptism Book 6: Degruy, Odile Eulalie page 38 Degruy, Edouard page 40 Several entries for Couturie..... is this the same as our Couturier? From Colonial Records of Louisiana: Degruy, Juan Bautista, et al to Juan Francisco Merieult & Siben Obligation with Mortgage June 4, 1800 Page 367 There are a couple of Francisco Emanual Dusuan De La Croix entries That's it. Renee

Hi, As I'm sure most of you know the latest "New Orleans Genesis" is out. It's Volume XLIV, Number 175, July 2005. For the sake of those who may not subscribe... I am listing the only two Degruy listings. I'll also post this in the "News" section of the Degruy Family Collaboration Web Site. In the section under St. Augustine Church Baptisms, Book 7 [1899-1912]: De Gruy [Verloin], Camile M page 191 DeGruy, Lucille Marie page 281 As you know we would have to pay $12 per record to obtain the actual records from the Archdiocese; so I'm afraid unless the members of Degruy-l are willing to "tithe" in order to build up a fund dedicated to Archdiocesan record retrieval, we won't be uploading these to the web site as we do the far less expensive Louisiana Archives records. Another possible way to get the records would be if each person closely related to various Degruys in these records would foot the bill: order the records of their close relatives, scan them and submit them. In this way we would be able to put more Archdiocesan records on the site. The Archdiocesan records can be very valuable because frequently on a baptismal record, for example, the names of the grandparents will be listed, making it easier to establish the connections between generations. Interested to hear the ideas of others on these matters. Renee

Heard a good quotation on this past "Sunday Morning" program. Unfortunately I can't remember the man's first nam,e but his last name was Tericamo... and he said: "I wish people would hand down their family histories as carefully as they do their bric-a-brac and their china." Too true, Renee

Hi All, I saw this in the marriage index for St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana. This was abstracted by: Mrs. Doris E. Holden 90 Dewberry Road Covington, Louisiana 70435 SAINT TAMMANY PARISH LOUISIANA MARRIAGE RECORDS 1901 THROUGH JULY 1924 lists 1921 Frank DeGruy and Era M. Coney Book 6 p 470

Hi All, I thought this might be of interest to some members of our list. This is an article taken from the New Orleans Newspaper. Follow the Descendants of Victor Baudier Times-Picayune, Sunday, April 03, 2005 Article by: Damon Veach (Jean) Victor Baudier arrived in the United States, circa 1810. He is first found in the War of 1812 as a 15-year-old servant to Captain Hubbard's Mounted Co., Plauche's Battalion of Orleans. Baudier was born in 1797 in Morliax, France, a son of a military surgeon. Possibly arriving in Mobile, Ala., he finally made it to New Orleans and lived in the city and in Plaquemines Parish before going on to Attakapas (St. Martinville) about 1842, and later to Jesuit Bend in Plaquemines. While living in St. Martinville, Baudier also kept a home in New Orleans. In 1824, he married (Marie Anne) Leonide Josephine DuFouchard Verloin DeGruy from St. Charles Parish. Together they had eight children, most of whom resided in New Orleans. Jean Victor served in the Civil War as did five of his sons and two of his grandsons. 1. (Jean) Alexandre Sr. married (Marie Louise) Elodie Boutte, from St. Charles Parish. They had 10 children. The third of these was (Jean) Aleandre Jr., who married his cousin (Louise) Angela Baudier. Alexandre and Angela both died in 1899, leaving behind nine children, the oldest 19 years, the youngest only 1 year old. The seventh child of Alexandre and Angela was (Joseph) Roger Baudier, editor of Catholic Action, a researcher and a New Orleans historian who was born in 1893. Allied families are: O'Neil, Perrot, Frigola, Culotta, LeVasseur, Thompson, Demarest, Pastureau, Oertling, Aspelund, Brown, Escude, Occhipinti, Freeman, Frazier, Scully, Olivier, Schexnayder, Demarest, Silva, McCoy, Caneza, and Maroney. 2. (Jean) Victor Baudier married (Felicite) Elizodie (DeVince) Bienvenu from St. Martinville in 1847. They had nine children. Their daughter (Marie) Louise married Paul Gelpi in 1869. Paul and Louise were the parents of Dr. Paul Joseph Gelpi, a surgeon, who invented the Gelpi clamp. One year, Dr. Gelpi was elected by five Carnival crews to be king of their parades and balls. Dr. Gelpi married (Marie) Annette Hincks, and together they had 10 children. Two of his brothers were Dr. Louis Gelpi, married to Nina Webster in 1907, and Dr. Maurice Gelpi, married to Ruth DeGrange in 1918. Allied families are: Labarre, Bozonier, Laplace, Dart, Landry, Chapman, Wadsworth, Granzin, Kahle, McCarroll, Lurry, Blanchard, Mengelle, Harris and Theard. 3. Edouard Antoine Baudier married Amelie Eugenie Domingon in 1854 and Louisa Trosclair in 1868. There are no known children. 4. In 1851 (Louis) Theodore married Elizabeth Zeringue from St. Martinville, where they resided with their one child, Daniel, who married Melanie Frederic from Grand Coteau in 1871 in Breaux Bridge. Their child, Arthenise, went to school at the Academy of the Sacred Heart in Grand Coteau. 5. Ernest Joseph married Louise Angela Planchard. Together they had three girls, the last being Louisa Angela Baudier, who married her cousin (Jean) Alexandre Jr. Louise died nine days after the birth of this daughter. Ernest then married Marie Elina Vanier after the death of his first wife, and they had one child. Allied families are: Planchard, Garcia, Bonneval, Denley, Montamant, Gerlinger, Dominicim Ascani, Hartmann, Crowley, and Todd. 6. Pierre Gustave Auguste Baudier was married circa 1860 to (Marie) Madeleine Mereidier, and they had three children. Their first son (Jean) Jefferson married Angelique Rideau in 1881. 7. (Marie) Leonide Baudier married Jefferson Leon Seuzeneau, circa 1862. They had 10 children. After the death of his first wife, Jefferson married Mary Emma Thiel, widow Fayard, and two more children born of this marriage. Allied families are: Blanchard, Hubert, Mason, Whitfield, Trawick, Pence and Sbisa. 8. Paschal Henri Baudier married (Marie) Wilhelmina Bonneval in 1874. They had 11 children: (Marie) Victoria married Louis Serpas in 1893; (Henry) Louis married Elizabeth Schneider in 1899; Alice married Edward Frank Held in 1902; Cecile married Frederick Pflueger in 1905, then Henry Weber in 1922; Stella married Herman Binder in 1907, then Henry Dermenstein in 1921; Robert married Emily Root in 1921; and the other children died at an early age. Allied families are: Palmisano, Marquet, Fischer and Rosenbohm. Helen Kendrick has been tracing the Baudier and allied families for many years. Because this family is so immense, there are many missing pieces. She would like to find anyone interested in helping her complete the Baudier family genealogy. Letters, photos, Civil War records, oral histories or other information would be most welcome. Contact Helen Kendrick, e-mail: lhkendri@bellsouth.net. Please use Baudier in the subject line. . . . . . . . Louisiana Ancestors appears in the Living section on the first and third Sundays of each month. Correspondence should be addressed to Damon Veach, Louisiana Ancestors, care of Living Section, The Times-Picayune, 3800 Howard Ave., New Orleans, La. 70125-1429. The e-mail address is bookman@intersurf.com. When submitting queries by e-mail, include a residence or mailing address for those researchers who do not have access to computers.

Rene Holy Cow!! The EJ main library charges $50 PER HOUR to use the meeting rooms at the main library. You can rent a meeting room at a branch library for $6 per hour. There is a nice branch library on Jefferson Highway that is only about a 10 minute drive from the main branch (if people want to do research). There are a number of restaurants (high and low end) within a 10 minute drive of the library on Jeff Hwy. Actually, NOPL is a straight shot, easy drive from the Jefferson Highway branch and can be reached in 20 minutes--in case anyone is going down there. I don't know what your plans are but you could meet at the main library in the "coffee house area" and visit in the am and maybe do research and then go to the branch to exchange information, make copies and give any kind of presentation you want in the PM (and thereby cut the cost of the renting of a meeting room). I will check with the LaQuinta on Veterans to see if they have a meeting room you can use for no charge (that assumes some of you will be booking rooms at the motel). Another thought I have is to ask John Calvin Presbyterian Church if they have a meeting room you can use for the day. They host the JP Genie Society meetings and might be able to accommodate you. I do not think they will allow food in the JP library branch but will call and ask. As a fall-back plan--if nothing else affordable turns up, you can drive to St. Charles Pairsh (about 30 minutes from Jefferson where you will be staying) and use the library there at no charge. If you come to the main library on the West Bank (across the river from New Orleans) there are about 10 eating places within a 5 minute drive of the library where you can have lunch. I am certain the library will allow soft drinks and water in an ice chest during the meeting time. And you can bring some snack foods also. Just something to think about in case nothing else works out. Carolyn Tregre

She was Julia Delphine Verloin DeGruy, born August 1, 1792. Julia married Jean Phillipe Boutte on 21 May 1812. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: another poor anonymous female > Ok... who can help me with another of these poor anonymous females who > were known only by which males they were married to and which males they > were daughters of ;-) > > We have Mrs Philippe Boute who was the daughter of Pierre Verloin Degruy. > > Can someone please give this poor woman an identity all her own????? > > Her death date was 8-26-1845 Citation 9 823 > > Thanks! > > Renee > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

She was Julia Delphine Verloin DeGruy, born August 1, 1792. Julia married Jean Phillipe Boutte on 21 May 1812. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: another poor anonymous female > Ok... who can help me with another of these poor anonymous females who > were known only by which males they were married to and which males they > were daughters of ;-) > > We have Mrs Philippe Boute who was the daughter of Pierre Verloin Degruy. > > Can someone please give this poor woman an identity all her own????? > > Her death date was 8-26-1845 Citation 9 823 > > Thanks! > > Renee > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

I would so love to attend this get together in New Orleans, but would only be able to do so if it's in late October. So I'm hoping that will be the case. Shelley Dedman ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: from Carolyn about an October Degruy get together in NO > > Hi List, > Got the following message from Carolyn in answer to the query I put out > about a possible meeting in NO in mid to late October.... About the same > time I got a response from Bonnie also suggesting a meeting room at a > library. So two of our collective minds were thinking alike! :-) > > Because of ease of parking and the availability of optional coffee & > refreshments the Jefferson Parish Public Library seems the best choice. So > we're throwing it out there to see what the rest of the list thinks. > > A side note.... if you send your messages to > degruyadministrator@earthlink.net, you get me at my private email.... The > rest of the list isn't sharing. So.... if you are sending something that > warrants a group discussion, send to degruy-l@rootsweb.com. That way all > of us will have a chance to respond. > > This Degry gettting to know you meeting could be great! > > Would we have time for some "presentations"? Family stories? Would we > have a place to display photographs and memorabilia? > > Lots to think about... > Anyway, Carolyn's email follows: > > > If the food isn't the most important thing, you might be able to get a > meeting room at the Jefferson Parish Main Library on West Napoleon in > Metairie. > > <> > They have a food service area where they have sandwiches, soup, coffee, > etc. <> > The food service area is in the same building as the meeting room (at > least the one I have been in). This way people could come and go and > there are Xerox machines close by and also research facilities. Also > handy restrooms, etc. <> > > I will call the library on monday to see if there is a charge to use these > rooms and get back to you. > > There are several small (sort of family) restaurants very close to there. > Also a Piccadilly cafeteria several blocks away if someone wants different > food than the library has. > > <>Carolyn > > > > Previous message rom Renee to Carolyn > > thanks for the LAORLEAN tip and the offer for help... > > I probably to wait till I hear from folks to guage the interest > in doing > > this > > My thought was not to get involved with collecting money, setting > up a > > menu, etc.. > > So I was thinking of a meeting room attached to a > restaurant/bar....so > > that people could order what they wanted and pay for it on their > own..... > > We could also just have coffee and pastries or something simple.... > > I appreciate your offer. > > I'll let you know as I hear from people > > Thanks > > Renee > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi List, Got the following message from Carolyn in answer to the query I put out about a possible meeting in NO in mid to late October.... About the same time I got a response from Bonnie also suggesting a meeting room at a library. So two of our collective minds were thinking alike! :-) Because of ease of parking and the availability of optional coffee & refreshments the Jefferson Parish Public Library seems the best choice. So we're throwing it out there to see what the rest of the list thinks. A side note.... if you send your messages to degruyadministrator@earthlink.net, you get me at my private email.... The rest of the list isn't sharing. So.... if you are sending something that warrants a group discussion, send to degruy-l@rootsweb.com. That way all of us will have a chance to respond. This Degry gettting to know you meeting could be great! Would we have time for some "presentations"? Family stories? Would we have a place to display photographs and memorabilia? Lots to think about... Anyway, Carolyn's email follows: If the food isn't the most important thing, you might be able to get a meeting room at the Jefferson Parish Main Library on West Napoleon in Metairie. <> They have a food service area where they have sandwiches, soup, coffee, etc. <> The food service area is in the same building as the meeting room (at least the one I have been in). This way people could come and go and there are Xerox machines close by and also research facilities. Also handy restrooms, etc. <> I will call the library on monday to see if there is a charge to use these rooms and get back to you. There are several small (sort of family) restaurants very close to there. Also a Piccadilly cafeteria several blocks away if someone wants different food than the library has. <>Carolyn Previous message rom Renee to Carolyn > thanks for the LAORLEAN tip and the offer for help... > I probably to wait till I hear from folks to guage the interest in doing > this > My thought was not to get involved with collecting money, setting up a > menu, etc.. > So I was thinking of a meeting room attached to a restaurant/bar....so > that people could order what they wanted and pay for it on their own..... > We could also just have coffee and pastries or something simple.... > I appreciate your offer. > I'll let you know as I hear from people > Thanks > Renee > > > > >

Ok... who can help me with another of these poor anonymous females who were known only by which males they were married to and which males they were daughters of ;-) We have Mrs Philippe Boute who was the daughter of Pierre Verloin Degruy. Can someone please give this poor woman an identity all her own????? Her death date was 8-26-1845 Citation 9 823 Thanks! Renee

Rene Post a notice on the LAORLEAN site and ask about that address you are looking for in 1870 census. Maybe there is a City Directory (or someone there will know how to tell what street it is). Please let me help you find a place to meet in October. Were you looking for a hotel/motel? restaurant? Conference room?? Describe your needs and I might be able to make some suggestions. Carolyn Tregre

Good Morning, I've been looking at the 1870 census this morning. I find my Peter Degruy and Mary, living with Ida, Malvina and my Great Grandfather, Albert....in the 7th ward... first number in first column is 360, which I assume is the house address. But which street....? It took forever but I went back to #1 and nowhere in all those pages was a street listed. I did notice that Peter and Mary were living next door to the Bachemins Down or up the block at 341 was Victor Degruy, living with Laure, Marie, Jane, Emile and Anthime. At 317 was Gustave Jacquet.... relative of David Perrin... the Perrin-Jacquets So there were a lot of relatives and allied families in the 7th Ward..... Anyone have any idea of what street that may have been? Renee