Renee and List, All I know about the Aufrere Papers is that they have information on French Huguenots who fled to England in the 1720s. They are housed in London. They are supposed to have early family information on these French families. Since they are available at a California site they appear to have been microfilmed. It shows Aufrere Papers, Edited by the Huguenot Society of London. It has 240 pages, acquisition number 2548. It may contain information on other families or maybe Aufrere collected the papers. www.scgsgenealogy.com/cardcatalog/family-A.htm Thanks, Isabel

Fabulous information! Thank you, Wally, as always. Re the Aufrere Papers... appreciate the look-up. I have ordered these through Interlibrary Loan... a long time ago and they've never come. I don't even know if they are pertinent to us. If they ever arrive and they seem relevant, I'll let you know immediately. If any of you ever visit the Degruy tombs and find out anything about Pierre Huxelle Degruy and his two wives Julie Evelina Boutte and Marie Cecilia Cunningham [who may have remarried after his death], I'd be so very interested to learn what you discover. My Big Stumbling Blocks... along with the parents of Albert Degruy's wife, Marie Ruth: John Ruth and Pauline Herzog. But I can't imagine how the location of Albert will give information on the Ruths [Roths?] or Herzogs.... so that's probably a dead end, pun intended. I wonder [Celine?] if there is a way on the web site to form links between chunks of information.... in other words, to have a link from the birth record of Henry Degruy > to his death record> to his interment record in Cemetery #2....... Or, if we do a search on Henry, will it pull up all these records and the link will be formed like that???? One of my questions is if you can only search within news or within photos or within files or if the entire web site can be searched at one time. Well, enough for now. My Hurt and Doss lines are calling! Renee slideaus wrote: >The Slidell library has most, but not all of the issues. They are >missing Vol 4 and 12-19. > >I did check on the Vol. 22 items, which are not listed in the indexes of >the individual issues. > >Items in […] below are my personal notes - Wally > >Vol. 22, Issue 85, p. 93: > >INTERMENTS - ST. LOUIS CEMETERY NO. 2 > >Henry DeGRUY, 48 years, died 15 July 1876 [s/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy] >Pierre Denis FOUCHER, 54 years, died 10 November 1877 >Marie Edwige GARIC, 7 months, died 6 August 1878 >Ledia FOUCHER, 4 May 1886 >Marie Idea GARIC, 3 months, 12 June 1887 >G. MAZARAT, 24 years, 29 August 1892 >P. MAZARAT, 2 ½ years, 26 October 1892 >Henry FOUCHER, 39 years, 13 July 1898 >Felide CHARBONNET, 64 years, 20 July 1900 [w/o Etienne Bernard Joseph >DeGruy] >Marie A. BROWN, 55 years, 3 December 1900 [see note below] >Mrs. A. DeGRUY, 61 years, 8 March 1902 >Frank TABONY, 60 years, 23 October, 1906 >Mildrait H. DeGRUY, 33 years, 4 September 1907 >Madame Aida P. PLANCHARD, 25 years, 15 April 1908 >Mrs. Widow J. J. Edgar PLANCHARD (nee Amelia DeGRUY), 19 May 1909 [nee >Marie Antoinette Amelia DeGruy, d/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie >Azelie Bachemin] >Sidney F. DeGRUY, 49 years, 21 July 1918 >Mrs. L. NUNEZ, 45 years, 22 April 1923 >Mrs. Widow Eugene TABONEY, 67 years, 12 February 1935 >Joseph Daracourt PLANCHARD, 58 years, 14 October 1936 >Josephine R. O. PLANCHARD, 66 years, 9 March 1937 >Mrs. Antoine KERN, 57 years, 30 April 1940 >Fernand DeGRUY, 76 years, 7 November 1948 >George J. MAZARET, 57 years, 23 February 1949 >Inez de GRUI CREED, 88 years, 16 January 1964 > >(The entries are exactly as they appear in Genesis, including spelling >differences.) > > >Vol. 22, Issue 86, p. 204: > >TOMBSTONE INSCRIPTION – ST. LOUIS CEMETERY NO. 2 > >LOUIS A. DeGRUY – ETIENNE DeGRUY >Lot No. 19 – Center Aisle LS. C Sq. 2 > >H. Margaret LAYSSARD [w/o Antoine Dufouchard DeGruy] >Widow of Antoine DeGRUY born 1758 died 5 April 1830 > >Louise Antoine DeGRUY [s/o of Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie >Bachemin] >Born August 25, 1821 – Died 1 November 1836 > >Alphonse DeGRUY [s/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie Bachemin] >Died 12 August 1867 > >Etienne Bernard DeGRUY [s/o Antoine Dufouchard DeGruy & H. Margaret >Layssard] >Died 3 October 1867 >And his wife >Marie Azelie BACHEMIN died 7 October 1868 > >Anais DeGRUY >Beloved wife of M. A. BROWN >Died 3 December 1900 – age 55 years > >(NOTE: both tombstones list a 55-year-old woman with the surname Brown >who died on 3 December 1900. This is the same individual – Marie Anaise >DeGruy, d/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin. She was >born 7 September 1844 and was married to Defauchard Nicholas Brown on 2 >September 1869 in Point Coupee, according to my records.) > >Wally in Slidell > > >

I did a search on Yahoo using the search term "Aufrere papers" (including quotes) and found the following web site: http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/cardcatalog/fam-A.htm The Aufrere Papers are listed as part of something by the Huguenot Society of London. Wally -----Original Message----- From: R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.] [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:31 PM To: slideaus; Degruy-L@rootsweb.com Subject: The Aufrere Papers Has anyone seen or know anything about "The Aufrere Papers"???????? Renee slideaus wrote: The main variation that I have seen is Ofrere, though I think that Ofrer, Offrere, Aufrer, Aufrare, and Ofrare are possibilities. <>Wally in Slidell </>

I have visited, many times, the tombs of Jean Baptiste V. de Gruy, Michele Verloin de Gruy, Francois Verloin de Gruy all in St. Louis # 1 Cemetery, as well as others, and Irene Verloin de Gruy Junqua in St. Louis # 3. When you all are there, visiting all three of the St. Louis cemeteries would offer a great deal of information. Shelley ----- Original Message ----- From: "slideaus" <slideaus@bellsouth.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: RE: Genesis articles inquiry > The Slidell library has most, but not all of the issues. They are > missing Vol 4 and 12-19. > > I did check on the Vol. 22 items, which are not listed in the indexes of > the individual issues. > > Items in [.] below are my personal notes - Wally > > Vol. 22, Issue 85, p. 93: > > INTERMENTS - ST. LOUIS CEMETERY NO. 2 > > Henry DeGRUY, 48 years, died 15 July 1876 [s/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy] > Pierre Denis FOUCHER, 54 years, died 10 November 1877 > Marie Edwige GARIC, 7 months, died 6 August 1878 > Ledia FOUCHER, 4 May 1886 > Marie Idea GARIC, 3 months, 12 June 1887 > G. MAZARAT, 24 years, 29 August 1892 > P. MAZARAT, 2 ½ years, 26 October 1892 > Henry FOUCHER, 39 years, 13 July 1898 > Felide CHARBONNET, 64 years, 20 July 1900 [w/o Etienne Bernard Joseph > DeGruy] > Marie A. BROWN, 55 years, 3 December 1900 [see note below] > Mrs. A. DeGRUY, 61 years, 8 March 1902 > Frank TABONY, 60 years, 23 October, 1906 > Mildrait H. DeGRUY, 33 years, 4 September 1907 > Madame Aida P. PLANCHARD, 25 years, 15 April 1908 > Mrs. Widow J. J. Edgar PLANCHARD (nee Amelia DeGRUY), 19 May 1909 [nee > Marie Antoinette Amelia DeGruy, d/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie > Azelie Bachemin] > Sidney F. DeGRUY, 49 years, 21 July 1918 > Mrs. L. NUNEZ, 45 years, 22 April 1923 > Mrs. Widow Eugene TABONEY, 67 years, 12 February 1935 > Joseph Daracourt PLANCHARD, 58 years, 14 October 1936 > Josephine R. O. PLANCHARD, 66 years, 9 March 1937 > Mrs. Antoine KERN, 57 years, 30 April 1940 > Fernand DeGRUY, 76 years, 7 November 1948 > George J. MAZARET, 57 years, 23 February 1949 > Inez de GRUI CREED, 88 years, 16 January 1964 > > (The entries are exactly as they appear in Genesis, including spelling > differences.) > > > Vol. 22, Issue 86, p. 204: > > TOMBSTONE INSCRIPTION - ST. LOUIS CEMETERY NO. 2 > > LOUIS A. DeGRUY - ETIENNE DeGRUY > Lot No. 19 - Center Aisle LS. C Sq. 2 > > H. Margaret LAYSSARD [w/o Antoine Dufouchard DeGruy] > Widow of Antoine DeGRUY born 1758 died 5 April 1830 > > Louise Antoine DeGRUY [s/o of Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie > Bachemin] > Born August 25, 1821 - Died 1 November 1836 > > Alphonse DeGRUY [s/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie Bachemin] > Died 12 August 1867 > > Etienne Bernard DeGRUY [s/o Antoine Dufouchard DeGruy & H. Margaret > Layssard] > Died 3 October 1867 > And his wife > Marie Azelie BACHEMIN died 7 October 1868 > > Anais DeGRUY > Beloved wife of M. A. BROWN > Died 3 December 1900 - age 55 years > > (NOTE: both tombstones list a 55-year-old woman with the surname Brown > who died on 3 December 1900. This is the same individual - Marie Anaise > DeGruy, d/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin. She was > born 7 September 1844 and was married to Defauchard Nicholas Brown on 2 > September 1869 in Point Coupee, according to my records.) > > Wally in Slidell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me > anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.] > [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:00 AM > To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Genesis articles inquiry > > Hi, > > Isabel was asking if I had these issues of Genesis, > > Do you have these articles from New Orleans Genesis? > Burials St Louis Cem June 1965 Vol 4 Iss 15 > > Degruy Family Tomb > New Orleans Genesis Jan 1983 Vol. 22 Iss 85 and April 1983 Vol. 22 Iss > 86. > > > but I do not. But that brings up a good point. We should write to > Genesis and ask for permission to post their articles on the Degruys... > either by scanned pdf files or transcription.... on our website. Wonder > if they'd allow it? > > Renee > > ps... I do have two indices ... the first and also the one that appeared > > around 1976 covering Vol IV, Nos 13, 14, 15 and 16.... if anyone needs > anything.... > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

The Slidell library has most, but not all of the issues. They are missing Vol 4 and 12-19. I did check on the Vol. 22 items, which are not listed in the indexes of the individual issues. Items in […] below are my personal notes - Wally Vol. 22, Issue 85, p. 93: INTERMENTS - ST. LOUIS CEMETERY NO. 2 Henry DeGRUY, 48 years, died 15 July 1876 [s/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy] Pierre Denis FOUCHER, 54 years, died 10 November 1877 Marie Edwige GARIC, 7 months, died 6 August 1878 Ledia FOUCHER, 4 May 1886 Marie Idea GARIC, 3 months, 12 June 1887 G. MAZARAT, 24 years, 29 August 1892 P. MAZARAT, 2 ½ years, 26 October 1892 Henry FOUCHER, 39 years, 13 July 1898 Felide CHARBONNET, 64 years, 20 July 1900 [w/o Etienne Bernard Joseph DeGruy] Marie A. BROWN, 55 years, 3 December 1900 [see note below] Mrs. A. DeGRUY, 61 years, 8 March 1902 Frank TABONY, 60 years, 23 October, 1906 Mildrait H. DeGRUY, 33 years, 4 September 1907 Madame Aida P. PLANCHARD, 25 years, 15 April 1908 Mrs. Widow J. J. Edgar PLANCHARD (nee Amelia DeGRUY), 19 May 1909 [nee Marie Antoinette Amelia DeGruy, d/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie Bachemin] Sidney F. DeGRUY, 49 years, 21 July 1918 Mrs. L. NUNEZ, 45 years, 22 April 1923 Mrs. Widow Eugene TABONEY, 67 years, 12 February 1935 Joseph Daracourt PLANCHARD, 58 years, 14 October 1936 Josephine R. O. PLANCHARD, 66 years, 9 March 1937 Mrs. Antoine KERN, 57 years, 30 April 1940 Fernand DeGRUY, 76 years, 7 November 1948 George J. MAZARET, 57 years, 23 February 1949 Inez de GRUI CREED, 88 years, 16 January 1964 (The entries are exactly as they appear in Genesis, including spelling differences.) Vol. 22, Issue 86, p. 204: TOMBSTONE INSCRIPTION – ST. LOUIS CEMETERY NO. 2 LOUIS A. DeGRUY – ETIENNE DeGRUY Lot No. 19 – Center Aisle LS. C Sq. 2 H. Margaret LAYSSARD [w/o Antoine Dufouchard DeGruy] Widow of Antoine DeGRUY born 1758 died 5 April 1830 Louise Antoine DeGRUY [s/o of Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie Bachemin] Born August 25, 1821 – Died 1 November 1836 Alphonse DeGRUY [s/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy & Marie Azelie Bachemin] Died 12 August 1867 Etienne Bernard DeGRUY [s/o Antoine Dufouchard DeGruy & H. Margaret Layssard] Died 3 October 1867 And his wife Marie Azelie BACHEMIN died 7 October 1868 Anais DeGRUY Beloved wife of M. A. BROWN Died 3 December 1900 – age 55 years (NOTE: both tombstones list a 55-year-old woman with the surname Brown who died on 3 December 1900. This is the same individual – Marie Anaise DeGruy, d/o Etienne Bernard DeGruy and Marie Azelie Bachemin. She was born 7 September 1844 and was married to Defauchard Nicholas Brown on 2 September 1869 in Point Coupee, according to my records.) Wally in Slidell -----Original Message----- From: R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.] [mailto:degruylist@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:00 AM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Genesis articles inquiry Hi, Isabel was asking if I had these issues of Genesis, Do you have these articles from New Orleans Genesis? Burials St Louis Cem June 1965 Vol 4 Iss 15 Degruy Family Tomb New Orleans Genesis Jan 1983 Vol. 22 Iss 85 and April 1983 Vol. 22 Iss 86. but I do not. But that brings up a good point. We should write to Genesis and ask for permission to post their articles on the Degruys... either by scanned pdf files or transcription.... on our website. Wonder if they'd allow it? Renee ps... I do have two indices ... the first and also the one that appeared around 1976 covering Vol IV, Nos 13, 14, 15 and 16.... if anyone needs anything.... ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Has anyone seen or know anything about "The Aufrere Papers"???????? Renee slideaus wrote: > The main variation that I have seen is Ofrere, though I think that > Ofrer, Offrere, Aufrer, Aufrare, and Ofrare are possibilities. > > <>Wally in Slidell >

Hi, Isabel was asking if I had these issues of Genesis, Do you have these articles from New Orleans Genesis? Burials St Louis Cem June 1965 Vol 4 Iss 15 Degruy Family Tomb New Orleans Genesis Jan 1983 Vol. 22 Iss 85 and April 1983 Vol. 22 Iss 86. but I do not. But that brings up a good point. We should write to Genesis and ask for permission to post their articles on the Degruys... either by scanned pdf files or transcription.... on our website. Wonder if they'd allow it? Renee ps... I do have two indices ... the first and also the one that appeared around 1976 covering Vol IV, Nos 13, 14, 15 and 16.... if anyone needs anything....

Hi List, This is off the subject of our Degruys, but you may find it helpful. Have you heard of Skype? It's a way to talk with friends and family computer to computer.... for free. It's a real, "live", phone call ... not email. A friend of mine in England put me on to it..... He called me from England one day and explained that if the person he is calling also has Skype, the phone call is totally free because it's going computer to computer... like email. If the person he is calling hasn't downloaded Skype, the phone call does cost him a bit, but the cost is less than any charged by regular telephone plans. He suggested that I download the program ... which I have done. You can talk through your computer's microphone... or you can get a head set and plug it into your computer... if you have a computer that will allow you to do this. If you are interested let me know and I'll send more information and the web site address. Hope this helps.... It's a chance to talk with your Degruy relatives all over the world.... for free....so a genealogy-friendly service. Renee

----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]" <degruylist@earthlink.net> To: <DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: quick reminder about correct address for Degruy-L > Hi.... > > Since some of you are hitting "reply"... your message, which you probably > want to go to the whole list, is coming to me privately.... > Let me distinguish.... > > When you want a message sent to the whole group of Degruy-L.... > please send it to > degruy-l@rootweb.com > > > if you send it to degruylist@earthlink.net, it comes to me, Renee, > privately and no one else sends it. > The list is Rootsweb.... I am Earthlink > > I use my degruylist@earthlink.net for the purposes of administering > Degruy-L.....for internet publication and to distinguish the list matters > from other areas of interest.... > > The problem comes when people hit reply and don't check what is in the > address bar. > > This is important to watch because you may be sending a private message > and the entire list ends up reading it which has the potential for some > embarrassment!!! > > As we do the roll call and sharing of Archdiocesan records, please send to > degruy-l@rootsweb.com.... > > unless you want to ask me privately about the logistics of sending in your > record.....In that case send to degruylist@earthlink.net > > Thanks, > Renee > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

R. Hotard wrote: > In The Village of Chartres in Colonial Illinois are listed such names > as Pineaux, Pinet, Pinguenet, Pinot..... > > Thanks for the ideas -- Any "Pingron" names show up? This is a neat puzzle for me, sorry it has little to do with the deGruy line :-( Karma

Greetings all, I am Gary Belsome, descendant of the DeGruy family through Marie Hortense, the daughter of Joseph and Marie Anne Couturie. Through this family I am also tracing the St. Pe, Boutte, and Perrin families. Although my name is Belsome, I have several Perrins in my lineage, some leading to dead ends in the 1800's. I'd like to be of help in what ever way I can. Gary Belsome

-----Original Message----- From: "R. Hotard, Degruy List Administrator [Please do not send me anonymous, forwarded, chain emails. Thank you.]" <degruylist@earthlink.net> Sent: Jul 15, 2005 10:32 AM To: DEGRUY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: pingrows; francois verloin degruy line letters Hi, >>Well I didn't realize your Pingrows were from France. I thought you meant they were in LA. I didn't check France for the name. Also re the letter... again, I thought you were talking about a letter from long ago referring to this famous duel. I wouldn't have asked you to share a "current (sort of)" letter. Hope I didn't cause a problem by my email. Heh, I must type as fast as I talk :-) and need to slow down. No, I had mentioned the duel hoping someone would have a story about it, and the names I mentioned, including Pingrow, were Florida lines. None of them did the LA thing as far as I know, though they are all in my maternal branch. >>Bonnie, Isabel, Celine? do we have any kind of "policy" about how current or distant information should be before we share on the list? I think when I get home I'll be able to piece this together as I just had communication from my grandfather identifying a couple of possiblities. Depending on what you guys decide about non-ancient stuff, I've transcribed some letters. I'll paste transcripts of the ones that I don't think can offend. ** transcript begins** [undated] I have been wanting to send you this bit of information about the de Gruys a friend from Switzerland sent me: … this family (Gruyere) moved in 1200’s to the city of Berne and changed the spelling to “Von Greyerz.” Greyerz is the Swiss name for the village Gruyere. The “Von Gruyerz” were counts, a branch of them (with the French spelling) were employed by the French kings in 1300 and 1400’s. This branch died out. The branch at Berne is still “living” but there are only a few. These people belong to the few of famous aristocrats families of the city of Berne. They often had the given name (males) “Wala.” Wala is a very old Swiss word for foreigner meaning from a foreign speaking country. The [Vaud?] canton in which the village Gruyere is located was between 1200’s and 1800’s conquered territory of the Republic of Berne. The 1815 [Vaud?] became its’ state. [with a different pen] Verloin could be the French or American version of Wala – Thought this was interesting. Berne is about 7 miles from Gruyere – can see the town from the castle of Gruyere. Will write more later – have a nice day – Love, Dee Dee [Era Coney deGruy] ***transcript ends*** Karma ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

In The Village of Chartres in Colonial Illinois are listed such names as Pineaux, Pinet, Pinguenet, Pinot..... Karma wrote: > Del Castillos, Bonifays, and Pingrows (the latter from France via > Martinique and there is no way that name is not a transcription > error), largely for family stories and folklore. >

Hi, Gary Belsome here. A new member of the group. And to be honest up front, a Roman Catholic priest. I mention this because of the awareness that brings me concerning the birth place and baptism place of our ancestors. In the early days of the Louisiana, Arkansas and Illinois settlements, Catholic prists traveled great distances to provide ceremonies for Catholic settlers. In other cases, families traveled to the mother church, St. Louis in New Orleans for example, and may have had several sacraments celebrated on the same day. For instance, in the Pizani family I have ancestors who were married, and stood as the godparents for two babies being baptized on the same day at St. Louis although they may have lived in Barataria. Point being, it was possible to be both a native of Islas Negras and have a baptism recorded at St. Louis in New Orleans, or to be born at Kaskaskia and have a baptism recorded at the Little Red Church in St. Charles. It also meant that multiple family sacramental celebrations were celebrated on the same day. The lesson for me has been to not make assumptions concerning the place of birth based on the place where the baptism is recorded. A person born at Kaskaskia may have been baptized at the Arkansas settlement by a traveling priest from New Orleans who recorded the baptism at St. Louis. I hope this doesn't muddy the waters too much, but were are on the Mississippi. Gary Belsome

Hi Gary, Welcome to the list. Thanks for reminding us that priests (and preachers) were not available 24 hours a day in every area where people settled. You are so right about not assuming anything from a baptism record. My husband's family were Methodists with one being a circuit riding preacher in the 1800s. Sometimes the circuit riding preacher would enter his minister's returns (record the marriage) in the first town he visited after the event. Sometimes that meant an Arkansas couple in the 1800s might be listed in the returns in a Louisiana town. It is hard to know for sure, unless you locate an old family bible or an old county newspaper on microfilm that mentions the couple's marriage. One thing that I learned is to try to find as many "proofs" as possible for each event. A funny story in my husband's family is about an uncle who was married by a Baptist preacher. He dreaded telling his mother that he had not been married by a Methodist preacher. When he brought his wife home for a visit, he confessed. His mother just laughed and said "your father and I were married by a Baptist preacher, too." It seems during that time period in rural Arkansas, you got married by whichever preacher was in the area at the time. So again do not assume church affiliation by the preacher's religion. Love to All, Isabel

I'm getting ready to go to the library to look at the Vaudreuil Papers again....so I'm doing some preliminary preparation.... and I came across something weird... have you all noticed this before? ----------------------------- On Page 261 of Land Records of the Attakapas District Volume I The Attakapas Domesday Book there is an entry #9 "Degruy, Jean Baptiste, Commissioners Report No. 35, 530.73 ac. [PM] ASP, III, 119, 126. 1815, May 1 - Certificate issued to DeGruy, Jean Baptiste. Claim was for 40 x 40 arpts. on both sides of Teche. Requete, dated Nov. 25, 1776, by claimant for him- self and brothers for 40 x 40 on east side of Teche and such depth on west side as might be found to a swamp in the back, bounded on one side by the settlement of the Dutch [DeGruy was Dutch], (italics & boldface, mine) and running toward Fausse Pointe. Order of survey issued by Galvez, June 19, 1777. Confirmation was for only 261 sup. arpts. because anything larger infringed on older titles. SCD, 6-A. Information provided here applies also to 12-7-61 & 62. Date obliterated on microfilm copy. Survey of tract by Johnson, James L. Tract found ot contain 785.29 sup. ac" ------------------------------ Comments: Wow, Dutch?????!!!! I've heard French... I've heard Swiss... but Dutch? Now there is a Dutch guy who has done a lot of work on the Degruys and he has an extensive genealogy on them... mostly on Dutch ones...Bob Patout has this, David Perrin has it and I have it...... and he has a website and you can go online and download it.....I'd have to really look to find the url..... Point is... I've thought of our Antoine as French....born at Versailles, etc... yet here we have a reference to Dutch.... So... guys....what do you make of this! ---------------------------------- The reason I'm going to the library is that I can't figure out why the children of Antoine and Marie Therese don't appear in the birth records from Kaskaskia, Fort de Chartres, etc. It looks like some were born in Illinois and some in NO. How did that happen? As far as I can tell Jean Baptiste was born in NO and baptized at St. Louis Cathedral. Antoine Dufouchard, however, is said to be "a native of Islas Negras [Illinois] in this province." Not sure about their births but Marie Therese and Marie Francoise... the two Degruy girls who married 2 Boutte boys [Francois and Antoine] are said to have been married in St. Mary's Parish in 1778.... double wedding? same date? I'm assuming that is St. Mary's Parish in Illinois.... Joseph Verloin is said to have been born in 1752 in Kaskaskia,.....in aother record the Red Church of St. Charles Parish....so which????? What do you all have for all of this.... how can we be sure? when there are two different records for same person.... and what do you think about The Dutch Connection written from the State of Perpetual Genealogical Confusion [is that Missouri? ha ha] Renee

Here's a question for the group..... prefaced by a little background to set the stage.... We know that Antoine and Marie Therese Aufrere [approximately our 5th or so G Grandparents] lived in Illinois for some time, till Antoine died and Marie Therese remarried and then she and new husband, Joseph [Dussault (Dusiau) de la Croix], and the kids moved back to La. Remember also that Azelie St. Amand, who was married to Pierre Verloin DeGruy, was the daughter of Michael St. Amand and Françoise Zeringue. We also know that Françoise Zeringue was the daughter of Jean Louis Zeringue and Marie Françoise Bellair de la Croix....and Marie Françoise was the daughter of Daniel Hubert Bellair La Croix and Catherine Henri [Henry] [any relation to the notary, I wonder?]. Now set this against the following entry from Kaskaskia Under the French Regime p 109 "I suspect, although I have no definite proof, that this [Lacroix Lenoire] is one of the members of the family of Hubert dit Lacroix who lived in Illinois, and may or may not have been related to the family of François Lacroix. All I can do is list the names of those of whom there is some record..... Daniel Hubert Lacroix, Illinois trader, apparently residing in New Orleans at least part of the time, was 38 years of age in 1752 [La Hist Quart, XXI, 889]...... Marie Françoise Hubert Lacroix was sponsor at a baptism at St. Philippe October 11, 1763" I'm getting myself confused and forgetting the original question! ha ha.... Ok... so.... were the Lacroix related to us through the Zeringues also related to the La Croix family into which Marie Therese remarried????? and were all those Lacroix living in Illinois...? I'm about to give up on this one.... my brain is beginning to sprain. Renee

Hi, Well I didn't realize your Pingrows were from France. I thought you meant they were in LA. I didn't check France for the name. Also re the letter... again, I thought you were talking about a letter from long ago referring to this famous duel. I wouldn't have asked you to share a "current (sort of)" letter. Hope I didn't cause a problem by my email. Bonnie, Isabel, Celine? do we have any kind of "policy" about how current or distant information should be before we share on the list? [Unless we have the permission of everyone involved] If we don't have a policy, should we have "create" one....? We're just sort of muddling through uncharted territory here... In any case, thanks for sharing.... maybe we can figure out who all these folks are. In this regard, I'm pretty much out of the loop. Since my parents divorced when I was two, I not only didn't get to know any Degruys, I hardly met any Hotards until I was an adult. So I have no personal "memories" of any of the folks I'm researching. I'll have to depend upon the rest of you for that. R. Karma wrote: > >> >> Karma, I happen to have Alice Forsyth's "Louisiana Marriage >> Contracts, Vol. 1" checked out from the library ... and there are >> many listings for a Piguery; a couple for Pinau and Pigeot, and >> Picou; and one for Pincede and Pigue. Wonder if any of these could >> be your strange "Pingrows." I'm fascinated about the letter with the >> duel. Any chance you could share that with us? > > > Fascinating. I'll have to play with that. I can't so far find any > information on the line in France but I have some relatives I need to > write. (I wish I could give them all computers and teach them to use > email! :-) ) > > >I'm fascinated about the letter with the duel. Any chance you could > share that with us? > > It's typed; I'll retype it. I've preseved spelling and punctuation as > is. I don't know if I'm sharing a private letter between two people > who are still living, though...

> > Karma, I happen to have Alice Forsyth's "Louisiana Marriage Contracts, > Vol. 1" checked out from the library ... and there are many listings > for a Piguery; a couple for Pinau and Pigeot, and Picou; and one for > Pincede and Pigue. Wonder if any of these could be your strange > "Pingrows." I'm fascinated about the letter with the duel. Any chance > you could share that with us? Fascinating. I'll have to play with that. I can't so far find any information on the line in France but I have some relatives I need to write. (I wish I could give them all computers and teach them to use email! :-) ) >I'm fascinated about the letter with the duel. Any chance you could share that with us? It's typed; I'll retype it. I've preseved spelling and punctuation as is. I don't know if I'm sharing a private letter between two people who are still living, though... *** transcript begins*** June 13, 1986 Dear Uncle Frank: I am sending you my chart so you can find your ancestors in the St Tammany Book. As you know the mother's family is on the bottom. David gave me most of it and we found the rest in Covington's Court House. When you are in Covington go to the Court House and see Mrs Neff in the basement, tell her who you are and she will show you her gems. She saved these records from being destroyed. I was surprised not to find the Perrins in the St Tammany book. I also am sending three pages I found from a book here in Houston, these names are on the chart. If it helps, David never answers my mail except to tell me I made a mistake, so if he does not answer feel good..you did not make a mistake according to David. I also have a story about a famous duel that envolved a Gaiennie if you are interested. Love to all the deGruys T.D. [handwritten initials] *** transcript ends*** Here is a transcript of the handwritten letter as best I can make out. ***transcript begins*** 4th of July 1986 Dear Uncle Frank: I'm sorry the chart is confusing. I am one generation removed - this may be the problem. So I am sending a chart with you as #1. Remember the father is always on top. I found my mother & father are 4th cousins - through Robert Lavigne line. I told Mama and she said nothing. I call about once a week - more or less depending on the health of ma. [deleted some personal information about Ma's health as reported by David to T.D. until I know who is being written about. Are these Perrins?] You don't have to return the chart I have one. Let me know if this chart helps if not I can talk your way through it. Love, Louise (T.D.) ***transcript ends*** I just discovered some copies of some handwritten letters about family history from Irene to Era Coney deGruy, Francois (PaPa's) wife who we called DeeDee (my Ggrandparents). I will transcribe these later if anyone is interested. They are not dated. Karma

Hi All, I'm very encouraged by the responses so far to our roll call..... Karma, I happen to have Alice Forsyth's "Louisiana Marriage Contracts, Vol. 1" checked out from the library ... and there are many listings for a Piguery; a couple for Pinau and Pigeot, and Picou; and one for Pincede and Pigue. Wonder if any of these could be your strange "Pingrows." I'm fascinated about the letter with the duel. Any chance you could share that with us? It's a real treasure any time we can get stories or letters or family books which help to make our ancestors "come alive"-- more than just BMD or census data. That is why we have such a treasure in the actual diary written by our progenitor... Antoine. Wish we could come up with more of this. David Perrin has a ton of stories to tell, but he is sans computer... so unless he attends our potential mini reunion in October... I'm not sure how we can access these stories..... I'd also like to welcome new list member, Gary Belsome, to the list. Let us know if we can help you with anything, Gary, and be sure to check out our Degruy web site. Gary said that his connection is through Marie Hortense Verloin DeGruy, daughter of Joseph and Marie Anne Couturier, born in 1778. I was wowed by Wally's generous offer to do research for us... what a genealogy angel we have in Wally! Good to hear from all of you. Renee