It helps Very Much I can now figure out that he died sometime between when he wrote the will in 1702 and when the will was proved in 1703! Thanks! R Isabel wrote: > Renee, > For a will be be "proved", the person who wrote the will has to be dead. This is just a legal term to validate or "prove" that the will was indeed written by the deceased. Holographic wills are valid in Arkansas, but this may be something that is not allowed in other states or may have been allowed in other time periods but are no longer permitted. Depending on the time period and the size of the city, you may find the actual date of death in the local newspaper. Hopefully, the newspaper will have been microfilmed. I have used this method to get exact dates in Georgia and Ala. I would assume that Maryland would have death notices listed in the major city newspapers of the time. Sometimes I just found that "Mary Smith died at her home on Tues. inst". Weekly newspapers have the date of the paper, so you just have to figure out the date for Tues. > > Another clue: I have found Kentucky marriages listed in the Nashville, TN newspaper. Many people from TN moved on to KY, so it was a common practice to publish Ky information in the area where the people had lived before. Migration pattern are important in genealogy. Look for the largest city newspaper in the MD area where your ancestor lived. You might just luck out. > In Georgia I was able to not only find out the date of death but the cause. I was at a dead end on one of Wayne's ancestors. He just disappeared. Knowing that he had a brother who had a gold mine in Dalonega, Ga. I went to Dalonega to research. It turns out that besides owning the Pigeon Roost mining Company, Milton Gathright owned the paper in Dalonega. I went to the library and find a nice family write up on Milton's dead brother, who died after being kicked by a horse on his homestead in rural Ga. Newspapers can be my gold mine many of times. Yes, they are time consuming because most are not indexed. > Hope this helps you, > Isabel >

Renee, For a will be be "proved", the person who wrote the will has to be dead. This is just a legal term to validate or "prove" that the will was indeed written by the deceased. Holographic wills are valid in Arkansas, but this may be something that is not allowed in other states or may have been allowed in other time periods but are no longer permitted. Depending on the time period and the size of the city, you may find the actual date of death in the local newspaper. Hopefully, the newspaper will have been microfilmed. I have used this method to get exact dates in Georgia and Ala. I would assume that Maryland would have death notices listed in the major city newspapers of the time. Sometimes I just found that "Mary Smith died at her home on Tues. inst". Weekly newspapers have the date of the paper, so you just have to figure out the date for Tues. Another clue: I have found Kentucky marriages listed in the Nashville, TN newspaper. Many people from TN moved on to KY, so it was a common practice to publish Ky information in the area where the people had lived before. Migration pattern are important in genealogy. Look for the largest city newspaper in the MD area where your ancestor lived. You might just luck out. In Georgia I was able to not only find out the date of death but the cause. I was at a dead end on one of Wayne's ancestors. He just disappeared. Knowing that he had a brother who had a gold mine in Dalonega, Ga. I went to Dalonega  to research. It turns out that besides owning the Pigeon Roost mining Company, Milton Gathright owned the paper in Dalonega. I went to the library and find a nice family write up on Milton's dead brother, who died after being kicked by a horse on his homestead in rural Ga. Newspapers can be my gold mine many of times. Yes, they are time consuming because most are not indexed. Hope this helps you, Isabel

found this online: http://www.nolo.com/definition cfm/Term/A5984CE3-F524-465E-855E354EB50AF474/alpha/P/ proving a will Convincing a probate court that a document is truly the deceased person's will. Usually this is a simple formality that the executor or administrator easily satisfies by showing that the will was signed and dated by the deceased person in front of two or more witnesses. When the will is holographic -- that is, completely handwritten by the deceased and not witnessed, it is still valid in many states if the executor can produce relatives and friends to testify that the handwriting is that of the deceased. -------Original Message------- From: listadministratordegruyl Date: 11/3/2008 8:44:16 AM To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb Subject: [DEGRUY] help with a term Mornin', I'm working with some data from Maryland [not Louisiana] and I've come across a term I need help to understand.... What does it mean to "prove" a will? Does that mean that the person whose will it is has already died by the date of the proved will... or does it mean something else? In the specific example I'm working with the date that the will was written [in the script of my ancestor] is different from the date the will was "proved." So I'm trying to extrapolate an approximate date of death from those two dates. Of course that all goes out the window if he was still alive at the time his will was proved. Thanks for helping Renée ps I'm assuming the term means the same in Louisiana as in MD, but maybe not.... maybe Napoleonic [sp.?] law is different.... The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mornin', I'm working with some data from Maryland [not Louisiana] and I've come across a term I need help to understand.... What does it mean to "prove" a will? Does that mean that the person whose will it is has already died by the date of the proved will... or does it mean something else? In the specific example I'm working with the date that the will was written [in the script of my ancestor] is different from the date the will was "proved." So I'm trying to extrapolate an approximate date of death from those two dates. Of course that all goes out the window if he was still alive at the time his will was proved. Thanks for helping Renée ps I'm assuming the term means the same in Louisiana as in MD, but maybe not.... maybe Napoleonic [sp.?] law is different....

Thanks for all the obits, I really appreciate them as I have not been able to go anyplace for research lately and this really helps. sylvia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] DeGruy Obit DE GRUY - Saturday, January 17, 1931 at 6:40 p. m., THEOPHILE V. DEGRUY, beloved husband of Tenie Schexnayer, aged 77 years, a native of Louisiana and a native of Gretna, La., for the past 60 years. Relatives, friends and acquaintances of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral which will take place Sunday, January 18, 1931 at 4 p. m., from the funeral home of E. J. Mothe, 313 Opelousas avenue. Interment in Hook and Ladder cemetery. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper January 18, 1931, p6, c4 Helen Kendrick The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+EXPANDED SHROUD EVIDENCE+ >degruyere related families< *************************** +CRUSADE/GRAIL/TEMPLER+ +VETERAN KNIGHTS+ >a passionate intermarried group OF FRENCH NOBILITY >related to the powerful +DUKES de SAVOY+ >secreted, protected & preserved +THE SHROUD OF JESUS+ for almost 100 years ********************* +"THE TURIN SHROUD"+ ("HOW DAVINCI FOOLED HISTORY" ) >by pinknet and prince< *********************** >is filled with information regardimg the families involved with the +DEGRUY(ERE) RELATIVES+ the +deVIGNY/deCHARNEY+ ++++++++++++++ >IN THE CHAMPAGNE REGION OF FRANCE DURING THE 14/15 C. ******************************* >this information may allow us to understand degruy history in +GRUYERE/BURGUNDY & >the champagne region more >C O M P L E T L Y< ****************** >especially if you couple this info. with mrs. dekoven's book... *************************** +THE COUNTS deGRUYERE+ >(recently incorporated in the >deGRUY FAMILY WEBSITE< ************************** >SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION< >from the turin shroud book< ***************************** 1) the families involved with conserving the holy shroud in the early days before it went to the savoy dukes *********************************** +WERE RELATED TO THE DUKES+ +deSAVOY AND EACH OTHER+ >and had templar involvment< ***************************** a) the deCHARNEY ( also known as the +MONT-SAINT-JEAN+ (after a village near charney) b) the deVIRGY (by marriage, also by >degruyere marriage) c) the JOINVILLES and BRIENNES (from two village n. of magny fouchard... >david perrin believes JOINVILLE posesses a degruy relation) >the HOUSE OF BRIENNE , according to pryory of sion were of the +MEROVINGIAN BLOODLINE+ >also known as>KING OF JERUSALEM< >INHERITED BY ANNE deLUSIGNAN wife of +LOUIS, DUKE OF SAVOY+ >(degruy relative)< **************** d) other"SHROUD MAFIA" families are de la ROCHE, COURTENAY, d'ANJOU >and MONTFERRAT< ******************* >NOTE: this "mafia" term indicates the history several researchers revealed OF A CHAMPAGNE FAMILY INTER- MARRIAGE OF A DEVOTED, COMPLEX STRUCTURE. *********************** >that includes much secretive +"KNIGHTS OF CHRIST"+ >(original templer title) >INVOLVMENT< ************** >JEAN de JOINVILLE, author of the "LIFE OF SAINT LOUIS" and +BONIFACE, MARQUIS deMONTFERRAT >(a deSAVOY FAMILY relative >thus a degruyere relative) ************************** +A FAMILY EVENTIALLY ABSORBED+ +INTO deSAVOY FAMILY TITLES+ ******************************* >there is belief by noel currier-briggs distinguished genealogist for >DEBRETS & BURKE'S PEERAGE author of "+THE SHROUD AND THE GRAIL+" ****************************** >that boniface de montferrat took THE SHROUD INTO EUROPE with the intercession of >mary-margaret of hungary >BONIFACE'S WIDOW< ********************** >+the legend is that it lay hidden in jerusalem and constantinople >FOR CENTURIES< >( it was first revealed > IN 70 A.D. ) ********** >( french importation )< +THIS WOULD DIRECTLY INVOLVE THE deSAVOY/deGRUYERE +BLOOD-BOND FAMILIES+ ************************* >but what about the >DAVINCI< >CONSPIRACY THEORY< (of pinknet/prince) ? ****************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

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Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 11, 1813-1815 page 140 DOMENI DEGRUYS Pedro (Juan Bautista BERLOIN DEGRUYS and Maria Theresa OFFERER), native and resident of this parish, bachelor, ca. 57 yr., i. Sep. 27, 1813 Saint Louis Cathedral, F7, 241 page 151 DUFOUCHARD DEGRUIS Melizer (Antonio and Hanrietta LAISSARD), native and resident of this city, sp. Joseph CHAPRON, ca. 27 yr., i. Sept. 15, 1815, d. Sep. 14, 1815 Saint Louis Cathedral, F11, 4 page 429 VERLOIN [DEGUISE] [o - masc.], el joven, and Eloisa SAULET), bn. Jun. 1, 1813, b. simply, i. Jun. 1, 1813, d. Jun. 1, 1813 Saint Louis Cathedral, F7, 229 Estelle ([o] VERLOIN DEGUISE and Heloise SAULET), 4 yr., i. Aug. 7, 1815 Saint Louis Cathedral, F7, 307 Joseph (Dominique and Maria BEAUMONT), 2 yr., i. Sep. 27, 1815 Saint Louis Cathedral, F11, 5 page 429 VERLOIN DEGRUYS Leonida [o] and Mariana COUTURIER), native and resident of this parish, m. Miguel ST. AMAND, Aug. 2, 1813 Saint Louis Cathedral, M6, 129 Helen Kendrick

a reminder..... *********** +VALENTIN IS IMPORTANT ! (see the proof yourself) *********************** >YES, THE PROOF OF OUR GENEALOGICAL CONNECTION ******************************* +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ to +THE COUNTS de GRUYERE+ **************************** >ON THE INTERNET< i discovered and disclosed on my rootsweb message of 6/30/08 ******************************* >PLEASE REREAD.... ***************** google: "THALEMY CASTLE" ( valentinois,156,000 listings) **************************** >the network of clues BUILDS.... ********* >BOTH GEOFFREY deCHARNEY AND HIS WIFE JEANNE de VIRGY HAD ( degruyere relatives) >GRANDFATHERS WHO WERE ( field marshalls ) >SENSCHALS OF COUNTIES (importantly) >CHAMPAGNE & BURGUNDY< (enormous power) >this history & tradition gives strength to our understanding why our de GRUYERE ANCESTORS ************************** >finally settled in champagne after LOSING THE GRUYERE CASTLE ******************************* +IT IS DOCUMENTED HISTORY+ >that michael the last count degruyere to occupy their castle in switzerland ************************************* >FOUGHT WITH THE ROYAL FRENCH FORCES OF HIS BELOVED KING FRANCOIS 1ST IN 1543 AND ***************************** (awarded: st michael collar >and order of the king ) >LATER AT LANDRECIES, SESIA & ST.DIZIER AGAINST THE ARMY OF THE EMPEROR CHARLES **************************** >it should be noted that king francois 1st last outings >HE DIED IN 1547< (only aged 53) ************* >WERE IN THE BURGUNDY & +CHAMPAGNE+ >REGION OF THE deGRUY. ************************* >( interestingly his old friendly rival english king henry 8th died that (SENT REPRESENATIVE) >year after serving as godfather to francois 1st's grandchild (LATER SPANISH QUEEN) ************************* +MICHAEL deGRUYERE+ >lived a much longer life then french king francois 1st ************************ >HE DIED IN THE deVIRGEY CASTLE< +T H A L E M Y+ ***************** >IN BURGUNDY IN MARCH 1576 (francois 1st also died in march) ******************************* >O V E R V I E W< *************** 1) CHAMPAGNE WAS THE HOTBED OF FRENCH PROGRESSIVE THOUGHT (troyes, magny fouchard etc) >hughes de payen, nobleman and vassel of a count dechampagne PROGENDERED FOUNDATION OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLER **************************** 2) VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY WERE DRAWN TO THIS FERVENT CAUSE (settling at magny fouchard) >deCHARNEY/ deVIRGY RELATIVES WERE POWERFUL SENESCHALS (connected to crusades/templer) ********************************* 3) +SAINT BERNARD OF CLAIVAUX+ was the chief spokesman for +CHRISTIANDOM OF THE AGE declared knights templer +"EPITOME AND APOTHESIS OF C H R I S T I A N V A L U E S" ***************************** 4) THE SHROUD OF TURIN HAD TO BE THE ULTIMATE RELIGOUS RELIC TO EMERGE FROM THIS INTENSITY OF HISTORICAL HUMAN +P A S S I O N+ ***************** ( apocalyptic knowledge ) +THE DEGRUY(ERE) WERE THERE+ faked or real, their decharney devirgy relatives knew the ACCURATE TRUTH >what did our louisiana >ancestors know ? ( 18TH CENTURY ) **************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

>turin shroud clues..... ******************* +LEONARDO DAVINCI'S PATRONS IN+ +LATER LIFE HAD DYNASTIC TIES W/+ ************************************* +THE HOUSE OF SAVOY+ ************************ + ( thus counts degruyere) >savoy dependent cousins< ************************** 1) GIULIANO de MEDICI : ( DUKE ) >son of lorenzo the magnificent. (married daughter of the >DUKE de SAVOY< >leonardo was his house genius >FOR 16 YEARS< (locus: MILAN, major italian >city from gruyeres ) ******************* 2) KING FRANCOIS 1ST, FRANCE :... >greatest leonardo patron. host of his last 4 years. father of FRENCH RENAISSANCE (son of LOUISE de SAVOY.) ************************** >father in law to the +DUKE de SAVOY, EMMANUEL >PHILIBERT who took the +HOLY SHROUD TO TURIN+ ************************** >blood brother to OUR gruyere ****************************** +COUNT MICHAEL de GRUYERE+ >descendent of jeanne devirgy (via his devirgy mother) *********************** +THE FIRST OWNER OF THE TURIN+ +SHROUD TO SHOW IT PUBLICLY+ ********************************* +O B S E R V A T I O N+ ********************** >the gruyere counts were historicaly and emotionally tied to the great *********************************** +SHROUD OF TURIN+ ******************** +IN ALLIANCE WITH KING FRANCOIS 1ST THEY HAD TO BE PART OF THE ( valentine palace, chambery,... then turin cathedral, st. jean the baptiste ) +POSITIONING OF THE SHROUD IN THE SAVOY OWNERSHIP. **************************** >if the shroud was faked by leonardo davinci as is conjectured in the book ************************************* "+ THE TURIN SHROUD... ********************* ...HOW DAVINCI FOOLED HISTORY" ********************************** by picknett and prince *********************** >ARGUMENTS< >( a disenchanted member of the desavoy (by marriage) wrote it was a fake... also (EMULATION) >durer paintd himself as jesus...durer was a great leonardo follower/fan. ************ >A POSSIBLE SCENARIO< >francois 1st, michael degruyere, the dukes desavoy, the devirgys & the decharneys were co-conspiritors. > ( POSSIBLE but unlikely )< *********************** >ONE AMAZING FACT ABOUT THIS SHROUD OF TURIN MYSTERY IS ( blood & intermarriage ) >THAT THE deCHARNEYS, deVIRGYS AND deSAVOYS WERE RELATED. (and thus to king francois 1st) ****************************** >to that we can add something of great import to our history. ******************************* >THE deGRUY(ERE) WERE RELATED (intense serious alliances) >+TO ALL THESE FAMILIES+< !!! ************************ +THICKER THEN BLOOD+ >also of course is the family bond strengthoned by the knights templer, crusades history >of all these families ******************** +FAVORABLE SCENARIO+ ( the holy shroud ) >IS THAT IT IS OLD & AUTHENTIC< > as i have pointed out previously the original carbon dating of the shroud >which limited its age was probably (CARETAKING NUNS) >wrong because of newer fabric strips sewn on for repairs >AFTER A SERIOUS FIRE< ************************ >THE SHROUD HAS SURVIVED +MIRACULOUSLY 2 SERIOUS >CATHEDRAL FIRES >( 1 in chambery and >1 in turin ) ********* S U M M E R Y ************** +THE GRUY(ERE) WERE THERE+ >authentic or faked the turin shroud (along with) >the holy grail, the knights templer and the religous crusades. *************************** >FORM A MONUMENTAL PART OF VERLOIN deGRUY HISTORY (and the history of the earth) ***************************** >SWORN SECRETS< >+secret ceremonies and +societies playing >IMPORTANT ROLES< ! ******************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

>the evidence mounts..... +NEXT YEAR THE POPE SHALL AGAIN+ +REVEAL THE TURIN SHROUD+ >the descendents of our dukes de savoy only gave up this right +DURING THE 1980S+ ******************** >ORIGINALLY FRENCH THEY +EVOLVED ITALIAN (chambery to turin) >the dukes de savoy became the italian kings and ruled until the end of ww 2 but kept >THE SACRED SHROUD< *********************** +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR / TURIN SHROUD+ >verloin degruy history continues to reveal additional dynamic (TEMPLAR RING) >connections to the history of the knights templar and shroud of turin. ********************* +AN OVERLOOKED FACT IN THE TURIN SHROUD HISTORY ************************** >IS THAT THE DAUGHTER OF OUR FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1ST ( blood brother of count >michael de gruyere ) ******************* >MARRIED DUKE EMMANUUEL +PHILIBERT OF SAVOY+ ********************** >WHO WAS THE FIRST SAVOY DUKE TO DEPOSIT THE SHROUD IN ****************************** +THE TURIN CATHEDRAL+ ( jean de baptiste ) ***************** >SHROUD FASCINATION< >in perspective we know that king francois (probably with michael +( REAL OR FAKED BY >MASTER DAVINCI ?) >de gruyere) visited the shroud in turin just after leonardo da vinci came to live @ the >FRENCH COURT< **************** >if the shroud is sacred< +WE MUST REMEMBER THAT JEANNE de VIRGEY +(michael de gruyere ancestor >via his mother's family ) *********************** +WAS THE 1ST PERSON TO >DISPLAY THE TURIN SHROUD. FOR PUBLIC VENERATION. >lirey, france, 1357/58< ********************** >(after the death of her famous husband jeoffrey de charney ( GREATEST KNIGHT OF >FRENCH KING JEAN II, ) ********************** >THIS FAMILY HISTORY MUST HAD ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE ********************************** +COUNTS de GRUYERE+ *********************** >ranking equally with their crusade /knights templar history for its ***************************** +SECRET BROTHERHOOD AND >SACRED COMMITMENTS ************************* +A FRENCH KING'S GIFT+ (but which french king) ++++++++++++++ +the verloin degruy family loved regal/sacred secret talisman as seen in the diamonds on the shirtfront of ******************** +FRANCOIS VERLOIN deGRUY+ >hanging in our living room< *************************** +A GIFT BUT..... >FOR WHAT REASON ?< ********************* to be continued... gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

Gene, Thanks for your memories of your family. When I add the obits to the site I'm never sure who they may be related. Glad to have your mind go back in time for us to hear about the "good old times". Helen K.

+NEW ORLEANS SUMMER NIGHT+ (sight,sound,smell,taste,feel) >1 9 4 2< >REMOTE VIEWING< ******************* >i loved that house with its polished wood floors & (1915 VINTIGE) >raised basement coal smell and summer >SNOWBALLS< ************* +this had been the old+ +pierre coutourier plantation+ +THE BLACK CRUMBLY GARDEN+ +DIRT WAS DIFFERENT+ >riverboat sounds< ****************** +THANKS TO HELEN KENDRICK+ for supplying the obituary *************************** >THAT TRIGGERS MY MEMORY OF JOLLY "AUNT GAB" *********************** +gabrielle anne verloin degruy+ ******************************* >was the sister of my grandmother +LUCIE VERLOIN deGRUY RAY+ >and she was called "aunt gab" by my +BELOVED AUNTS LU AND LISE+ >so i knew her as "aunt gab" (I WAS AGE 10) >she left vivid memories. *********************** +FACTS DERIVED FROM AN OBIT+ ********************************* >RESIDENTIAL LOCUS CAUSED BY FAMILY GENETIC MEMORY ( a nesting syndrome ) ********************** A) aunt gab lived at 2619 nashville avenue near tulane university & was buried from holy name church at loyola university. **************************** >THIS LOCUS A FORMER FOUCHER -deBORE PLANTATION OF HER (filicie foucher married to francois verloin degruy) +deGRUY+FAMILY+ANCESTORS+ ****************************** >( aunt louella, lloyd ray's wife who supplied the times picayune w/ obit. info. was a great patron ( VERY GENEROUS ) >of holy name but sued them when she fell backward after the church door >handle came off. ) ***************** B) GEORGE COOPER HAD BEEN THE HUSBAND OF AUNT GAB. ************************** >and the father of velma, ursula & george cooper jr.... was killed according to my father, at the >BATTLE OF BUNKER HILL< ************************* > probably as a reservist in the national guard, like my grand ( BARE KNUCKLES ) >father, who saw john l. sullivan fight jake kilrain while in this ( IN MISSISSIPPI ) >national guard capacity. ************************ +I OWN A PHOTO OF GEORGE COOPER >as a member of the family of +JAMES VERLOIN deGRUY (son of francois verloin degruy) and +AMANDA SAUTON VERLOIN deGRUY (all are shown posed in the garden) ******************************* +JAMES & AMANDA VERLOIN deGRUY plus george cooper & +LUCIE VERLOIN deGRUY +GABRIEL VERLOIN deGRUY +TINA VERLOIN deGRUY *********************** >C O O P E R F A M I L Y< >the children of aunt gab., velma, ursula and george jr. posessed >ARTISTIC TALENT< >PARTICULARLY URSULA< >who was popular in new orleans >AS A CHILDS PORTRATIST< (quiet,respected,serious) ************************* +A NEW ORLEANS FRENCH CREOLE+ +TROPIC HEAT SUMMER NIGHT+ ******************************* >they loved life & fun< >MY MEMORY OF AUNT GAB & HER SISTER AUNT TINA IS OF..... (large & friendly) >TWO SPIRITED CREOLE LADIES COVERED WITH FACE POWDER.... (streetcar night sounds) >OF STEAMY SUMMER NIGHTS ON A SCREANED JOHNSON ST.... (floor lamps, chocolates) >CARD PLAYING FRONT PORCH PEERING INTO MY SCRUBBED.... (smacking wet kisses) >STARTLED FACE AMID MUCH +LOUD LAUGHING CHATTER+ **************************** >for those wonderful souls... +BULTMAN BURIED THEM+ +ST. PATRICKS RECIEVED+ +T H E M+ (we remember them) >L O V I N G L Y< ************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

Thanks, Judy. I could use some help finding out who the following are.... if anyone knows. Not sure where to put them. What does J. V. stand for... and whose son was he? What was his wife's name? Renee > HAMMOND VINDICATOR; Hammond, LA. > Submitted to the USGenWeb Archives by Carol and Jerry Nelson, Dec, 2002 > > 30 Oct 1942; p. 2, col. 7: George DeGruy, 3 1/2 year old son of Mr. and Mrs. > J. V. DeGruy, died Saturday. He was struck by a car. Services were Monday in > Tylertown, Miss. He died in a New Orleans hospital. Survivors include his > parents and one brother, Harold Lloyd DeGruy. > > 15 Jan 1943; p. 6: In Memoriam - Loving memory of son and brother - Joseph > George Degruy [pictured] died 26 Oct 1942 - father, mother, brother. >

Obituaries and death/funeral news items abstracted from THE HAMMOND VINDICATOR; Hammond, LA. Submitted to the USGenWeb Archives by Carol and Jerry Nelson, Dec, 2003 26 July 1946; Sec. 2, p. 6: Harvey H. DeGruy succumbed Thursday, July 18th, in New Orleans. Funeral services were held Saturday; interment was in St. Louis No. 2 cemetery at New Orleans. His surviving relatives include his widow, the former Edna Geoffrey; one daughter, Mrs. Jack Bates of Ponchatoula; three sons, Harvey H. DeGruy, Jr., Horace J. and Charles A. DeGruy; one sister, Mrs. Kinta Melburn; three brothers, Joseph S., Edgar and Louis DeGruy. ----------------------------- HAMMOND VINDICATOR; Hammond, LA. Submitted to the USGenWeb Archives by Carol and Jerry Nelson, Dec, 2002 30 Oct 1942; p. 2, col. 7: George DeGruy, 3 1/2 year old son of Mr. and Mrs. J. V. DeGruy, died Saturday. He was struck by a car. Services were Monday in Tylertown, Miss. He died in a New Orleans hospital. Survivors include his parents and one brother, Harold Lloyd DeGruy. 15 Jan 1943; p. 6: In Memoriam - Loving memory of son and brother - Joseph George Degruy [pictured] died 26 Oct 1942 - father, mother, brother. ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (ht tp://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

Decedee, heir soir at 10 heures, a l'age de 76 ans, madame veuve EDOUARD GUERIN. Ses amis et connaissances et ceux des familles Jumonville, Bienvenu et Guerin, sont pries d'assister aux funerailles qui auront lieu cette apres-midi a cinq heures. Le convoi partira de la maison mortuaire, rue de Bayou, entre celles Galvez et Miro. [Widow of Edouard Guerin] New Orleans Public Library New Orleans Bee Newspaper August 15, 1866, p1, c7 Helen Kendrick

DEGRUY - On Wednesday, morning, January 25, 1882 at 2 o'clock, LEONIDE ST. AMANT, wife of J. C. Degruy, aged 58 years, a native of New Orleans. The friends and acquaintances of the family and also those of the St. Amant families, are respectfully invited to attend her funeral, from her late residence, No. 311 Elysian Fields street, at 3 o'clock P. M., on Thursday, Jan. 26, 1882. New Orleans Public Library Daily Picayune Newspaper January 26, 1882, p4, c1 Helen Kendrick

Renee, The letter looks so much like an O, but-could be a C. You are probably correct. Joseph Camille DeGruy died 6/24/1883. I don't know if this is her husband or not. Thanks. Helen -------------- Original message from listadministratordegruyl <[email protected]>: -------------- > I've seen this record before and I think that "O" is really a "C" and > that this was Joseph Camile [Camilo] Degruy, son of Pierre Verloin > Degruy and Francisca Azelie St. Amand. > > Helen, what you are doing is Such A Tremendous Contribution. > We are all in your debt. > Thanks! > Renee > > > [email protected] wrote: > DEGRUY - On Wednesday morning, January 25, 1882, at 2 o'clock, LEONIDE ST. > AMANT, wife of J. O. DeGruy, aged 58 years, a native of New Orleans. > The friends and acquaintances of the family and also those of the St. Amant families, are respectfully invited to attend her funeral, from her late residence, No. 311 Elysian Fields street, at 3 o'clock P. M., on Thursday, Jan. > 26, 1882. > > > > New Orleans Public Libarary > > Daily Picayune Newspaper > > January 26, 1882, p4, c1 > > > > > > Helen Kendrick > The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to > be "fact." All data should be verified. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family > research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to > be "fact." All data should be verified. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

DE GRUY - On Friday, July 2, 1897, at 3:15 o'clock p. m., ANTHIME VERLOIN DE GRUY, aged seventy-nine years, a native of this city. The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the DeGruy, Harang, Jacquet, Fazende and Forstall famillies are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place This (Saturday) Evening, July 3, at 4:30 o'clock from the late residence of the deceased, No. 1624 Annette street, between Claiborne and Derbigny. New Orleans Public Library Times Democrat Newspaper July 3, 1897, p2, c7 Helen Kendrick

COOPER - At Southern Baptist hospital on Thursday, March 23, 1950, at 3:10 o'clock p.m., GABRIELLE ANNE DEGRUY, late of 2619 Nashville avenue, widow of George A. Cooper; mother of Velma, Ursula, and Gordon Cooper, Jr. The funeral and interment will be private, this Friday morning from the House of Bultman, St. Charles avenue. Requiem mass at Holy Name of Jesus church, St. Charles avenue, opposite Audubon park. Internment in St. Patrick No. 3 cemetery, City Park Avenue. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper March 24, 1950, p2, c5 Helen Kendrick