1849 - Decedee hier matin a cinq heures, a l'age de 65 ans, a la paroisse Jefferson, dame MARIE HELOISE SAULET, epouse de feu Joseph Verloin De Gruy. Les amis et connaissances des deux familles sont pries de vouloir bien assister a ses funerailles, qui auront lieu aujour-d'hui a quartre heures de demie P.M. Le convoi partira de chez A. Verloin De Gruy, rue Bourgogne, entre St. Louis et Conti. (Died May 1, 1849, age 65) New Orleans Public Library New Orleans Bee Newspaper May 2, 1849, p1, c4 Helen Kendrick

1872-Decedee hier a trois heures et demie P.M., Jane fille de O. V. DEGRUY et de Marie Odile Derbes, a l'age de huit mois. L'enterement aure lieu cette apreds-midi; a cinq heures P.M. Le convoi partira de chez Mme. Roche, 91 rue des Ursulines. De le part des familles De Gruy, Derbes, Roche et Gilly. (Jane DeGruy, died May 17, 1872, 8 months old) New Orleans Public Library New Orleans Bee Newspaper May 18, 1872, p1, c6 Helen Kendrick

H. DE GRUY Death of Former Well-Known Sugar Planter H. De Gruy, son of the late Onezine De Gruy, one of Jefferson Parish's oldest residents, died at 9 o'clock Monday evening at the residence of his nephew, Albert G. Nicaud, of 1440 Johnson Street, this city. The funeral was held from the residence at 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon. The dead man lived for many years in Jefferson Parish, and at one time was a very successful planter in that section. Through adverse circumstances, however, he lost his estate and had of late years been living with his nephew. One daughter and six sons survive him. He was 62 years old. Photo of H. De Gruy with obit. [died Monday, December 30, 1908, age 62] New Orleans Public Library Daily Picayune Newspaper January 01, 1908, p12, c2

DE GRUY - Entered into rest on Wednesday, July 18, 1917, at 8:30 o'clock p. m., MARY RUTH, widow of the late Albert De Gruy, aged 42 years, a native of this city. Relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend her funeral, which will take place from the residence of her son, Albert De Gruy, 4043 Ulloa street, this Thursday, July 19, 1917, at 2 o'clock p. m. Interment in St. Mary's Cemetery, Carrollton New Orleans Public Library July 19, 1917, p2, c7 Helen Kendrick

DE GRUY - In Jefferson parish, Jan. 18, 1893, at 3:45 o'clock, in her seventy-ninth year, Widow A. O. De Gruy,born Louise Evelina Ceuvin. The friends and acquaintances of the family and those of her sons, Horace and Gustave, and of her sons-in-law, C. B. Cherbonnier, H. A. Harvey and F. Nicaud, are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place on Thursday Morning, Jan. 19, at 10 o'clock, from her last residence. The body will arrive at the corner of Canal and Baronne streets by 12 o'clock. New Orleans Public Library Times Democrat Newspaper January 19, 1893, p3, c7 Note: Ceuvin could be Cauvin the paper was streaked Helen Kendrick

THANKS HELEN, will forward to garic barranger. all best... gene -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] DeGruy Obit-Garic-Part 1 MRS. A. GARIC, 91 EXPIRES AT HOME Was Member of OLD French Family of New Orleans, Active in City Mrs. Arthur Garic, member of an old French family, died Monday afternoon at her home, 2112 Dublin street, after an extended illness. She was 91 years old. A native of New Orleans, Mrs. Garic, the former Miss Henrietta De Gruy, daughter of Etienne Bernard De Gruy, who was a prominent cotten broker, was the 12th of a family of 12 and became the mother of 12 children. She was married to the late Arthur Garic on November 15, 1871. She was educated at the Desreyaux academy, which was on North Rampart street on the site of the present New Orleans Athletic Club, and in her youth was an accomplished musician. Although active in social and charitable work several years ago, Mrs. Garic had lived in retirement in recent years. Her time was occupied with fancy needlework. Surviving are four sons, Arthur J. Garic, William M. Garic, Charles A. Garic and Walker J. Garic, and four daughters, Mrs. C. C. Blancq, Miss Corinne Garic, Mrs. Henrietta Carstarphen and Mrs. Harry P. Morgan. Funeral services will be held today at 10 a. m. at the Mater Dolorosa Church, and interment will be in Metairie cemetery. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper April 5, 1938, p2, c7 Helen Kendrick The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GARIC - of 2112 Dublin street on Monday, April 4, 1938, at 2 o'clock p.m., HENRIETTE DE GRUY, wife of the late Arthur Garic, Sr., mother of Arthur, Jr., William M., Charles A., Walter J. and Corinne Garic, Mrs. Clement Blancq, Mrs. Henriette Carstarphen, and Mrs. Harry P. Morgan, and the late [-] E.? Garic; in her 91 year, a native of New Orleans, La. Funeral services Tuesday, April 5, 1938, at 10:30 o'clock a. m., from the Mater Dolorosa Church with requiem mass. Arrangements by Jacob Schoen & Son. Interment in Metairie cemetery. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper April 5, 1938, p2, c8 Note: [-] blacked out - could not deciper Note: ? - too dark to deciper Helen Kendrick

MRS. A. GARIC, 91 EXPIRES AT HOME Was Member of OLD French Family of New Orleans, Active in City Mrs. Arthur Garic, member of an old French family, died Monday afternoon at her home, 2112 Dublin street, after an extended illness. She was 91 years old. A native of New Orleans, Mrs. Garic, the former Miss Henrietta De Gruy, daughter of Etienne Bernard De Gruy, who was a prominent cotten broker, was the 12th of a family of 12 and became the mother of 12 children. She was married to the late Arthur Garic on November 15, 1871. She was educated at the Desreyaux academy, which was on North Rampart street on the site of the present New Orleans Athletic Club, and in her youth was an accomplished musician. Although active in social and charitable work several years ago, Mrs. Garic had lived in retirement in recent years. Her time was occupied with fancy needlework. Surviving are four sons, Arthur J. Garic, William M. Garic, Charles A. Garic and Walker J. Garic, and four daughters, Mrs. C. C. Blancq, Miss Corinne Garic, Mrs. Henrietta Carstarphen and Mrs. Harry P. Morgan. Funeral services will be held today at 10 a. m. at the Mater Dolorosa Church, and interment will be in Metairie cemetery. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper April 5, 1938, p2, c7 Helen Kendrick

DRUMM - Mrs. Daisy DeGruy Drumm, on Tuesday morning, January 5, 1971, at 12:10 o'clock, wife of the late Fred S. Drumm, mother of Streuby L, C. Eldred and Rev. Roy F. Drumm, sister of Mrs. Edward S. Reach. Also survived by 6 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren. Relatives and friends of the family, also officers and members of the Sts. John Chapter No. 135 O.E.S., are invited to attend the funeral. Services from the House of Bultman, St. Charles Ave. and Louisiana Ave. on Wednesday morning, January 6, 1971, at 11:30 o'clock, Rev. Walker A. Bennett officiating. Friends may call after 9 o'clock a.m. Interment in Masonic Cemetery. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper January 6, 1971, p16, c6 Helen Kendrick

DYKSTRA - On Wednesday, February 9, 1944, at 6:15 o'clock a.m., ADDIE DEGRUY DYKSTRA, mother of Mrs. E. S. Ligon, Jr. of Greensboro, N. C., and Franklin Dykstra, of Magnolia, Ark., sister of Mrs. F. S. Drumm and Mrs. Edward S. Reach, of New Orleans, La. Services at the home of Tharp-Sontheimer-Tharp, Inc., 4127 South Claiborne avenue near Milan on Thursday afternoon, February 10, 1944 at 4 o'clock. Interment in Masonic cemetery. Greenbsboro, N. C. and Magnolia, Ark. papers please copy New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper February 10, 1944, p2, c6 Helen Kendrick

CHERBONNIER- Entered into rest on Thursday, April 5, 1923, at 1:55 o'clock p.m., ISAURE DeGRUY, widow of the late Camille B. Cherbonnier, a native of New Orleans, La. The relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place this Friday morning, April 6, 1923, at 9:30 o'clock a. m., from the residence of her son Victor Cherbonnier, No. 324 Morgan street, Algiers, La. Mass at 10 a. m. in Holy Name of Mary Church. Interment in St. Louis No. 3 Cemetery New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper April 6, 1923, p2, c7 Helen Kendrick

CASSARD - Of 8311 Pritchard place, on Thursday, January 5, 1950, at 2:45 o'clock p.m., ADELE DE GRUY, wife of Ernest J. Cassard; mother of Mrs. Lillian C. Moret; sister of Mrs. Lucy Ferrandou, Miss Louise De Gruy; and the late Mrs. A. C. St. Marc; grandmother of Lucien J. Moret Jr. of Washington D. C. , and Vernon and Cassard Moret; great-grandmother of Sharon Moret; aged 76 years, a native of New Orleans, La. Private funeral services were held Friday, January 6, 1950, at 9:30 o'clock a. m., from the auxillary funeral home of Jacob Schoen and Son, 3827 Canal street, at North Scott street. Religious services at Incarnate Word church. Interment in Garden of Memories New Orleans Public Library New Orleans States Newspaper January 6, 1950, p4, c1 Helen Kendrick

Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 12, 1816-1817 page 48 BOUTET Jean Paul (Philippe and Julie VERLOUIN), b. Feb. 14, 1816, bn. Jun. 29, 1814, s. Jean CASTILLE and Carmelite VERLOIN, all residents of this parish Saint Louis Cathedral, B28, 33 page 66 CASTAREDE Marie Caroly (Juan Maria, native of Florencia [Florentia, dept. of Jura in France?], resident of this city, and Maria Josepha Hanrrieta DUFOCHARD DEGRUYS, native and resident of this city), b. Feb. 6, 1816, bn. Sept. 18, 1815, pgp. Pedro CASTAREDE and Juana PIS, mgp. Antonio DUFOCHARD DEGRUYS and Hanrrieta LEISARD, s. Joseph SOGNIAC DUFFOSSAT and Maria Juana DECLUET Saint Louis Cathedral, B28, 32 page 167 GANUCHEAU Pedro Francisco Edmundo (Pedro Francisco, native of Bordeaux dept. of Gironde], resident of this city, and Maria Josepha Mercedita DUFOUCHAR DEGRUYS, native and resident of this city), b. Feb. 24, 1816, bn. Feb. 21, 1815, pgp. Joseph GANUCHEAU and Maria SELAFE[R?], mgp. Antonio DUFOUCHAR DEGRUYS, dec., and Hanrrieta LEISSARD, s. Pedro Francisco DU BOURG and Maria Josepha Hanrrieta DUFOUCHAR DEGRUYS Saint Louis Cathedral, B28, 35 page 346 ST. AMAND (see DASPIT ST. AMAND) Azelia (Miguel and Francisca ZERINGUE), native and resident of this parish m. Pedro VERLOIN DEGRUYS, Mar. 9, 1816 Saint Louis Cathedral, M6, 169 Miguel Theofilo (Miguel and Leonida VERLOIN DEGRUYS, [both] natives and residents of this city), b. Mar. 9, 1816, bn. Jan. 31, 1816, pgp. Miguel ST. AMAND and Francisca ZERINGUE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Mariana COUTURIER, s. Joseph Fostin ST. AMAND and Mariana COUTURIER, infant's maternal grandmother Saint Louis Cathedral, B28, 37 b - baptized; bn - born; s - sponsor; dec deceased; m - married Helen Kendrick

Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records page 383 VERLOIN DEGRUYS [@VERLOIN] Joseph Theophile (Joseph and Marie Eloise SAULET, [both] residents of St. Charles Parish on the German Coast in this state), b. Mar. 25, 1816, bn. Dec. 26, 1814, s. Joseph SAULET, child's uncle, and Marie Orthance VERLOIN, child's aunt Saint Louis Cathedral, B28, 41 Pablo Emilio (Joseph and Eloisa SAULET), [both] natives and residents of this city), b. Jan. 24, 1817, bn. Dec. 17, 1816, pgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Mariana COUTURIER, mgp. Thomas SAULET and Maria Theresa PERRY, s. Luis FOUCHER and Felicity BADON Saint Louis Cathedral, B 28, 86 Pedro (Joseph and Mariana COUTURIER), native and resident of this city, m. Azelia ST. AMAND, Mar. 9, 1816, w. Juan Phelipe BOUTETT, Alexandro ST. AMAND and Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS Saint Louis Cathedral, M6, 169 b. - baptized; bn. - born; s. - sponsor; m - married; w. - witness Helen Kendrick

There are (at least) two Glenn deGruys. Do you want the one in Mobile or the one in New Orleans? Karma de Gruy -------------- Original message from "Jacques DeGruy" <[email protected]>: -------------- > Is Glenn DeGruy on this list? Does anyone know him or how to get in > touch with him? > > Jacques DeGruy > > > The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to > be "fact." All data should be verified. > -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Arhdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 11 - 1813 - 1815 page 57 BOUTTET [o - fem.] (Phelipe and Delphina VERLOIN), newborn infant, b. simply, i. Mar. 29, 1815 Saint Louis Cathedral, F10, 7 page 77 CASTAREDE [o - masc.] (Jean-Marie and Henriette DUFOCHARD), 2 yr., baptized, i. Sep. 27, 1815, d. Sept. 27, 1815 Saint Louis Cathedral, F11, 5 page 82 CHAPRON (see DUFOUCHARD DEGRUIS) Juan Joseph Henrrique (Joseph and Melizer DUFOUCHARD DEGRUIS, natives and residents of this city), b. Sept. 30, 1813, bn. Aug. 21, 1813, pgp. Joseph CHAPRON and Ana BOUQUOI, mgp. Antonio DUFOUCHARD DEGRUIS and Hanrrieta LAISSARD, s. Juan Bautista DUFOUCHARD DEGRUIS, infant's uncle, and [Hanrrieta LAISSARD], infants maternal grandmother Saint Louis Cathedral, B25, 94 page 188 GAMUCHEAU Louise Elizabeth (Pierre Francois, of Bordeaux [dept. of Gironde], presently in this city, and Marie Joseph DOUFOUCHARD DE GRUYS, of this city), b. Jun. 30, 1813, bn. Feb. 5, 1811, s. Paul LANUSSE, merchant in this city, and [o], Widow DUFOUCHARD DE GRUYS, child's maternal grandmother [ed. note: copy (in FR. DE SEDELLA's hand) of a certificate delivered to him on Sep. 13, 1813; b. by Very Rev. Guillaume DUBOURG, Apostolic Administrator of the Diocese of Louisiana] Saint Louis Cathedral, B25, 93 Marie Antoinette (Pierre Francois, of Bordeaux [dept. of Gironde], presently in this city, and Marie Joseph DOUFOUCHARD DE GRUYS, of this city), b. Jun. 30, 1813, bn. Feb. 11, 1813, s. Jean Baptiste DUFOUCHARD DE GRUYS, infant's maternal uncle, and Marie Francoise MONTREUIL, both of this city [ed. note: copy (in FR. DE SEDELLA's hand) of a certificate delivered to him on Sept. 13, 1813; b. by Very Rev. Guillaume DUBOURG, Apostolic Administrator of the Diocese of Louisiana Saint Louis Cathedral, B25, 93 Note: Correct spell is GANUCHARD page 390 ST. AMAND (see DASPIE ST. AMAND, DASPIT ST. AMAND, VIVANT) Emile (Michel and (E?)loine VERLOIN, natives of this parish), b. Feb. 1, 1815, bn. Jun. 3, 1814, s. Emile VERNOIN DE GRUY, infant's grandfather, and Francoise ZERINGUE, infant's grandmother, residents of this parish Saint Louis Cathedral, B25, 149 Miguel (Miguel and Francisca ZERINGUE), natives and resident of this city, m. Leonida VERLOIN DEGRUYS, Aug. 2, 1813, w. Phelipe BOUTET, Joseph CANES, Antonio XEREZ, Ursino ZERINGUE, Ursino ST. AMAND, groom's brother and bride's parents Saint Louis Cathedral, M6, 129 Miguel (Pedro DASPI ST. AMAND and Mariana Laurin CARMOUCHE), resident of this city, sp. Francisca ZERINGUE, ca. 60 yr., i. May 9, 1813 Saint Louis Cathedarl, F7, 227 page 393 ST. PE Celeste (Pedro and Hortanza VERLOIN), native and resident of this parish, m. Joseph Zenon TRUDEAU, Apr. 3, 1815 Saint Louis Cathedral, M6, 152 Santiago Sostein (Pedro and Maria VERLOIN, natives and residents of this city), b. Mar. 8, 1813, bn. May 11, 1812, pgp. Pedro ST. PE and Eulalia LIVAUDAIS, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN and Maria COUTURIER, s. Santiago Francisco ENOUL DE LIVAUDAIS and Maria DERVIGNY Saint Louis Cathedral, B25, 65 page 424 TRUDEAU Joseph Zenon (Juan Luis and Felicite VILLARS), native and resident of this city, m. Celeste ST. PE, Apr. 3, 1815, w. Cipriano GROS, Juan ST [AVID?], Roberto GREN, Carlos LIVAUDAIS and spouses' parents and brothers Saint Louis Cathedral, M6, 152 b. - baptized; bn. - born; i. - interred; [o] - name omitted in text; name unknown; unnamed infant; s - sponsor; m - married; sp - spouse; w - witness Helen Kendrick

+FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1ST+ +++++++++++++++++++ >(son of LOUISE deSAVOY & >cousin to GRUYERE count >michael de gruyere ) ******************** >was 22 years old in 1516 when he led his army with MICHAEL deGRUYERE at his side to win his greatest victory at +MARAIGNANO+ and regain milan for his country. >GREAT CELEBRATIONS FOLLOWED< *********************************** +A SECOND CHARLEMAGNE+ >francois was feted in several italian cities after his victory, from milan he moved amid much ceremony TO BOLOGNA FOR >SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH +P O P E L E O X+ ****************** >leo kissed francois on the mouth and gave him a fragment of the true cross. *************************************** >ENCASED IN A DIAMOND RELIQUARY< >to his surprise francois asked for the laocoon,the star of leo's >SCULPTURE COLLECTION< ************************** >POPE LEO AGREED< >and then asked leonardo DAVINCI to make a copy but leonardo >posessed grander visions< ************************** >LEONARDO CREATED A MECHANICAL LYON THAT+MOVED+TO IMPRESS >THE ASSEMBLED NOBILITY< *************************** >this won king francois heart and led to the invitation for leonardo to (devotion to genius) +RETIRE TO THE LOIRE VALLEY+ >for the last years of his life< **************************** +MICHAEL deGRUYERE INVOLVED IN THIS IMPORTANT PACT. *************************** >and at this point some extremly significant plans were made to +IMPACT deGRUY HISTORY+ >(magdeline/holy shroud)< ************************ +PILGRIMAGE OF KING FRANCOIS 1st+ in france after his victory in italy >IN JANUARY OF 1516< ********************** >francois and michael degruyere with other close chevalier of his forces >WENT SOUTH TO PROVENCE< >remember he was duke de provence (AS WELL AS FRENCH KING) >but something else was even more >C O M P E L L I N G< ******************* +MARY MAGDELINE AND THE+ +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ ************************** >after many celebrations of francois' victory in all the great towns of +P R O V E N C E+ ******************** >UP THE RHONE RIVER< >marseilles, aix en provence, le baux, avingnon, saint-maximin, manosque etc, etc, ...... +FRANCOIS' MOTHER LOUISE deSAVOY (he sent to paris for her) >MET HIM IN THE TOWN OF SISTERON (high up in the provence alps) ***************************** +TOGETHER THEY PAID HOMAGE TO+ +M A R Y M A G D E L I N E+ >in a cave she lived in upon her arrival into france carrying >THE HOLY GRAIL< ( powerful french legend >passionate & persistant ) ************************* >the king's sister, marguerite and his queen claude were in the party as was count michael degruyere ****************************** >BECAUSE TOGETHER THESE SONS +OF THE HOUSE OF SAVOY+ (and gruyere/savoy) ******************* >completed their celebrative pilgrimage IN THE SAVOY +VALENTIN+ PALACE IN ( also valentin park ) >CHAMBERY AFTER HIGH MASS AND VENERATION OF THE SACRED +++++++++++++++++++ +SHROUD OF JESUS+ ******************** >APOCALYPTIC DISPLAY< >hanging above the altar during mass and from the palace wall >for public veneration< ********************** >OVERVIEW< NOTES: this is all documented history and i believe it very significant that +KING FRANCOIS RETURNED TO HIS SAVOY ROOTS AFTER HIS GREAT VICTORY PLACING ************************** >E M P H A S I S< >ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THE +SAVOY / GRUYERE+ ******************* +FAMILY SPIRITUAL DYNAMIC+ ****************************** >plus our comprehension of the +degruy VALENTIN affinity+ ************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

Is Glenn DeGruy on this list? Does anyone know him or how to get in touch with him? Jacques DeGruy

Renee, the informtion already given by our members regarding proving wills is well taken. These two added points may help. First, Barron's Law Dictionary give a definition for Probate as "the act of proving that an instrument purporting to be a will was signed and otherwise executed in accordance with legal requirements, and of determining its validity thereby...". And, regarding Louisiana Wills and Testaments, excerpts from Retirement and Estate Planning.com explain two types of Wills in Louisiana, a "Notarial Will executed in the presence of a notary and two witnesses after the testator (the person executing the will) declares that he has read the Will and acknowledges that this instrument is his last will and testament, and is signed and dated on each page and notarized". The second, an "Oligraphic Will (Oligraphic not Holigraphic in LA) is entirely handwritten in the testator's handwriting, signed, and dated by the testator, and does not need to be notarized and requires no witnesses". As I understand it, when probated the handwriting and signature of the testator in an Oligraphic Will has to be verified with previous Testator writings and that person's signature. Hope this helps with Louisiana research. Jerry -------------- Original message from RHB <[email protected]>: -------------- > It helps Very Much > I can now figure out that he died sometime between when he wrote the > will in 1702 and when the will was proved in 1703! > Thanks! > R > > Isabel wrote: > > Renee, > For a will be be "proved", the person who wrote the will has to be dead. This is just a legal term to validate or "prove" that the will was indeed written by the deceased. Holographic wills are valid in Arkansas, but this may be something that is not allowed in other states or may have been allowed in other time periods but are no longer permitted. Depending on the time period and the size of the city, you may find the actual date of death in the local newspaper. Hopefully, the newspaper will have been microfilmed. I have used this method to get exact dates in Georgia and Ala. I would assume that Maryland would have death notices listed in the major city newspapers of the time. Sometimes I just found that "Mary Smith died at her home on Tues. inst". Weekly newspapers have > the date of the paper, so you just have to figure out the date for Tues. > > > > Another clue: I have found Kentucky marriages listed in the Nashville, TN > newspaper. Many people from TN moved on to KY, so it was a common practice to > publish Ky information in the area where the people had lived before. Migration > pattern are important in genealogy. Look for the largest city newspaper in the > MD area where your ancestor lived. You might just luck out. > > In Georgia I was able to not only find out the date of death but the cause. I > was at a dead end on one of Wayne's ancestors. He just disappeared. Knowing that > he had a brother who had a gold mine in Dalonega, Ga. I went to Dalonega to > research. It turns out that besides owning the Pigeon Roost mining Company, > Milton Gathright owned the paper in Dalonega. I went to the library and find a > nice family write up on Milton's dead brother, who died after being kicked by a > horse on his homestead in rural Ga. Newspapers can be my gold mine many of > times. Yes, they are time consuming because most are not indexed. > > Hope this helps you, > > Isabel > > > > The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family > research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to > be "fact." All data should be verified. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

+LEONARDO DAVINCI+ >IS BELIEVED BY PINKNET & PRINCE (english shroud research authors) >TO HAVE FAKED THE HOLY SHROUD ************************************** >in their 1994 book they explain in great detail their research and laboratory process to show how ********************************* +LEONARDO CREATED A LIFESIZE PHOTOGRAPH ON FABRIC OF HIS (they made a facsimile photo) >OWN HEAD & BODY USING HIS INCREDIBLE NATIVE GENIUS. ****************************** >LEONARDO THE SCIENTIST< >it is known that leonardo davinci did invent the camera obscura, a precurser to photography, and they show how HE COULD HAVE MADE A PHOTO USING AVAILABLE CHEMICALS ******************************** >LEONARDO THE MAGICIAN< >they build an elaborate case based ON LEONARDO'S KNOWN LOVE FOR CLEVER SECRETS AND >AMAZING INVENTIONS. *********************** >LEONARDO THE TRICKSTER< >his notebook writing was backward for secretness and he produced astounding mechanical lyons >COURT ENTERTAINMENT< >to impress king francois 1st. & count michael degruyere. **************************** >DESPITE AN EXELLENT CASE THE PICKNETT/PRINCE THEORY WAS (public presentations) >RECIEVED WITH MUCH ABUSE BY ENGLISH SHROUD CULTISTS. (european title:"shroudies") *************************** +STILL UNDETERMINED+ >as i have described, the picknet and prince book is extremly valuable to us for the history of the deGRUYERE/deSAVOY *********************** >RELATIONSHIP TO LEONARDO AND TEMPLER / SHROUD FAMILIES regardless if there was a >shroud conspiracy< ******************* >RESEARCHERS, BAIGENT,LEIGH & LINCOLN UNCOVERED EVIDENCE >that several of the champagne region families were involved (LED BY COUNT HUGHES OF CHAMPAGNE) >in a conspiracy behind the founding of the knights templer in that region. *********************** >the cistercian order< IT WAS COUNT HUGHES WHO GAVE THE SITE OF CLAIRVAUX TO SAINT BERNARD TO BUILD HIS ABBEY. ******************************** >hughes also convinced the pope to >recognise the famous< ********************** +COUNCIL OF TROYES+ >the most important gathering of the middle ages ******************* >HELD IN THE CHAMPAGNE REGION very close to the degruy chateau +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ ********************* +TRANSCENDENT FACTS+ >relating to this council< ************************ 1) saint bernard drew up the famous "TEMPLER RULE" >based on his own cistercian rule. ********************************* 2) the templers were granted their red cross on a white livery symbol that became so famous. (SWISS FLAG TO THIS DAY) ************************** 3) count hughes de champagne was installed as the official sponser of >THE KNIGHTS TEMPLER< >(descendents of the counts de >gruyere naturally in favor) ************************** 4) pope innocent 2nd, a former monk at clairvaux monestary, freed the ASSEMBLED KNIGHTS >from all other allegiance. >EXCEPT HIMSELF< ***************** 5) amazing network of noble families descended from this council to relate to intrnational history ****************************** >INCLUDING THE VALENTIN +VERLOIN de GRUY+ ******************* +KING OF JERUSALEM+ >the most sought after title of the >CRUSADES INSPIRED< >middle ages ultimatly came to +THE DUKES OF SAVOY+ (in perpetuity) ************* +THE GRUYERE BLOOD-BOND+ >SYNERGETIC & ETERNAL< ************************* >+RADIANT OVERVIEW+< +++++++++++++ >based on the research of many of the TEMPLER SHROUD authors. ******************************** >THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE NOBLE FAMILIES FROM CHAMPAGNE WERE ( a very long complex effort ) >IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SAVOY IN CONSPIRACY TO KEEP SECRETS. (that even today are paramount) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +RENNES-LE-CHATEAU+ >to some the holy grail & rennes le chateau in languedoc are supreme. >i have written about this before. (the pryory of syon involved) **************************** +NEW RELATIVE DATA+ >is that degruyere/devirgey shroud owning ancestor +GEOFFREY deCHARNEY+ >in addition to his home in our >CHAMPAGNE REGION< *********************** >(last templer stronghold)< +ALSO OWNED LAND AT THE HOLY+ >+RENNES-LE-CHATEAU+< ++++++++++++++ ( could this be a... >SMOKING GUN ) ? **************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com