Renee, Please add two de Gruy descendants to our de Gruy list. They are Elaine Poche', daughter of Aida de Gruy Yochim; and Elaine's son Greg Holmes. Both are interested in our genealogy and can both benefit from and contribute to our de Gruy genealogy efforts. I have included both e-mail addresses on the cc line. Thank you! Best regards, Charles M. de Gruy From: listadministratordegruyl Sent: Thu 12/4/2008 1:41 PM To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb Subject: [DEGRUY] Antoine's Ahnentafel as of 4 Dec 08 [caution: may contain errors] Hi, This is Antoine's ahnentafel as of 4 Dec 2008. I'm able to submit it because Celine drew my attention to a notice from Geneanet that someone named D'Arsonval had information on the Degruy surname. I've been working with his material for almost two days yet and continue to find new items. Nevertheless I am submitting some of the data now, so others can get to work on it. Again, the following includes material found on Geneanet which comes from two of their contributors: Jean Claude D'Arsonval and Christian Mongin. Please let me know if you see any errors, so I can correct these as soon as possible. This is not ready for any kind of official publication because much has not been verified, but it is material which is additional to the research supplied by Msr. Chapelin, so there are many new names of heretofore unknown ancestors. I'm just submitting this now so that those who wish may get busy with research. What we need more than anything at this point is someone who is fluent in French who would help us with translation and research. I have been very limited in what I have been able to do on Geneanet because of my high school French. I limp along never sure if what I am translating is accurate. So if we can ever get an "official" Degruy list translator [ a volunteer since we don't have the funds to purchase help] we might really make some progress. Just keep in mind that this material is Not Ready for Publication, just material to use to do more serious research. We trust that whatever new developments might be discovered will be shared with the group. Renee Here goes: 1 Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin de Gruy [DEGRUYS VERLOIN, LORD DUMENIL FOUCHARD, ECUYER DE LA FOLIE] [Officer of the Troups of the Navy of this Colony]. Born on by 8 Aug 1716 in native of Paris, France; native of Versailles. Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin died in Kaskaskia, St. Clair County, Illinois; Thelma Coignard has him buried in Illinois, on 25 Feb 1759 HTR; he was 42. Occupation: Officer of the Naval Troups in this colony; In the military, explorer, discoverer of lead mines. On 17 Aug 1743 when Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin was 27, he married Marie Thérèse AUFRÈRE in Kaskaskia at Fort Chartres. 2 Antoine Gaspard de Gruy [de] Verloin. Born on 5 Aug 1655 in Le Mesnil-Fouchard [Magny-Fouchard] [Aube, Champagne]. Antoine Gaspard died in Chåteaudin, St-Lubin/ ILE DE France, Departement Yvelines 78, Versailles Palace Châteaudun, on 27 Nov 1722; he was 67. Buried on 28 Nov 1722. Occupation: Ecuyer, seigneur du Mesnil Fouchard, province de Champagne, chevalier de l'ordre militaire de Saint-Louis, major du régiment de cavalerie de Bourbon [1714]. Capitaine du régiment de cavalerie de Bourbon [1716]. On 26 Nov 1714 when Antoine Gaspard was 59, he married Françoise Hyacinthe le Conte in Beautheil, Département Seine-Et-Marne 77, Île-De-France, France. 3 Françoise Hyacinthe le Conte. Born on 22 Oct 1684 in Coulommiers. Françoise Hyacinthe died in Rozay-en-Brie on 25 Jun 1779; she was 94. Buried on 26 Jun 1779. 4 Claude de Gruy. Born abt 1600. Occupation: Seigneur duMesnil-Fouchard; Ecuyer, Seigneur de Magnifouchard-. On 20 Mar 1639 when Claude was 39, he married Jeanne le Perry [Le Perrin] in Jaucourt? [Aube]. 5 Jeanne le Perry [Le Perrin]. Born abt 1630. Jeanne died bef 1714; she was 84. 6 Jean Baptiste Claude le Conte [Conseiller du roi, élu en l'élection de Coulommiers [1714]]. Born abt 1666. Jean Baptiste Claude died in 1714; he was 48. Occupation: conseiller du roi, élu en l'élection de Coulommiers [1714]. Jean Baptiste Claude married Marie Jeanne le Roy. 7 Marie Jeanne le Roy. Born abt 1668. 8 Edmé de Gruy (Lord of Pottemont). Born in 1558. Occupation: Seigneur du Potémont [Vailly, Aube, France]Lord of Pottemont [Potémont, is a locality of Vailly [Aube]] [Captain, 100 Hommes de Pied] Captain of a 100 men company [hommes de pied]. On 31 Jul 1588 when Edmé was 30, he married Edmonde de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. 9 Edmonde de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born in 1573. Edmonde died bef 1639; she was 66. 10 Claude le Perry (Lord Of Le Mesnil-Fouchard, Lord Of La Chauffie, Captain Of The Duchy Of Piney-Luxembourg). Born abt 1606. Claude died bef 1639; he was 33. Occupation: [Lord of Le Mesnil-Fouchard]. On 22 Aug 1599 when Claude was <1, he married Marguerite de GRIZON [GRISSON]. 11 Marguerite de GRIZON [GRISSON]. Born abt 1608. Marguerite died in 1639; she was 31. 16 François de Gruy. Born abt 1526 or 1528. François died bef 1588; he was 62. Occupation: Ecuyer. abt 1548 when François was 22, he married Nicole Hastier. 17 Nicole Hastier. 18 Jean I de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1535. abt 1566 when Jean I was 31, he married Bernarde [Gertrude] de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. 19 Bernarde [Gertrude] de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. Born abt 1536. 20 Léonard Le Perry (Seigneur de La Chauffie du Brouilleux, Magny-Fouchard et de Vaux). Léonard died on 13 Jun 1602 in Magnifouchared. Buried in Chapelle Ste. Antoine de Magnefouchar. Léonard married Jeanne de Verloing (Dame en part de Magny-Fouchard). 21 Jeanne de Verloing (Dame en part de Magny-Fouchard). Jeanne died in 1639. Occupation: Dame du Magny-Fouchard. 22 Denis de Grizon. Denis married ?Ne. 23 ?Ne. 32 Edmond/ Edouard de Gruy. Edmond/ Edouard died in Demeuraient à Baillet aux Forges. Occupation: Seigneur de Villiers le Brûlé. Edmond/ Edouard married Isabeau de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. 33 Isabeau de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1491. 34 ? Hastier. 36 Oudart de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1496. Oudart married Péronne du Mesnil [du Mesgnil]. 37 Péronne du Mesnil [du Mesgnil]. Born abt 1500. Occupation: Dame du Petit-Mesnil. 38 Jean II de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. Jean II died in 1552. Occupation: Ecuyer, Seigneur d'Epothémont. abt 1550 Jean II married Charlotte de GENNES. 39 Charlotte de GENNES. 42 Jacques-Guillaume de Verloing. Jacques-Guillaume died abt 1559. Jacques-Guillaume married Louise de Saint-Simon [dame du Magny-Fouchard en 1559] [2nd wife]. 43 Louise de Saint-Simon [dame du Magny-Fouchard en 1559] [2nd wife]. 46 UNNAMED. Occupation: Ecuyer, gentilhomme napolitain. 66 Msr. Msr de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1463. abt 1485 when Msr was 22, he married Mme Mme de Baussancourt. 67 Mme Mme de Baussancourt. Born in 1465. 72 Msr. Msr de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. (Same as ahnentafel number 66.) 73 Mme Mme de Baussancourt. (Same as ahnentafel number 67.) 74 Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] du Mésnil. Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] died in 1514. Occupation: Seigneur du Petit-Mesnil. Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] married Lupérine [Lupine] de CHANTEREINE [CHANTERAINE]. 75 Lupérine [Lupine] de CHANTEREINE [CHANTERAINE]. 76 Guillaume de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. Guillaume died ca 1529 in ulian - Epothémont,10500,Aube,Champagne Ardenne,FRANCE. Occupation: Seigneur d'Epothémont. Occupation: Seigneur d'Epothémont, homme d'armes des ordonnances sous la charge du Comte de Brienne. Guillaume married Angelberte d'Aulnay. 77 Angelberte d'Aulnay. 84 Guillaume de Verloing [écuyer, seigneur en partie de Magny-Fouchard]. Guillaume married Marguerite Dagobert. 85 Marguerite Dagobert. 134 de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. 148 Jean du Mésnil. 152 Jean I de PAMPELUNE. Jean I married ? ?. 153 ? ? 154 Jean [Aîné] d'Aulnay. Jean [Aîné] died Died before May 1584. Occupation: Seigneur de Chalette, seigneur d'Aulnay. Jean [Aîné] married Catherine Bertin. 155 Catherine Bertin. 168 Daniel [or David] de Verloing [écuyer]. Daniel [or David] married Jeanne de la Villeneuve [dame en partie de Magny-Fourchard]. 169 Jeanne de la Villeneuve [dame en partie de Magny-Fourchard]. 296 du Mésnil. 308 Mathelin d'Aulnay. Occupation: Ecuyer, seigneur de Morambert, de Frampas et de Chalette. Mathelin married Antoinette de Richebourg. 309 Antoinette de Richebourg. 336 branche de Magny-Fouchard de Verloing. 338 Nicolas de la Villeneuve. Occupation: Seigneur du Magny-Fouchard. INDEX OF SURNAMES] UNNAMED 46 ?Ne 23 ? 153 AUFRÈRE Marie Thérèse spouse of 1 Baussancourt Mme Mme (de) 67 BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT UNNAMED (de) 134 Edmonde (de) 9 Isabeau (de) 33 Jean I (de) 18 Msr. Msr (de) 66 Oudart (de) 36 Bertin Catherine 155 CHANTEREINE [CHANTERAINE Lupérine [Lupine] (de) 75 Conte Françoise Hyacinthe (le) 3 Jean Baptiste Claude [Conseiller du roi, élu en l'élection de Coulommiers [1714]] (le) 6 Dagobert Marguerite 85 d'Aulnay Angelberte 77 Jean [Aîné] 154 Mathelin 308 GENNES Charlotte (de) 39 Grizon Denis (de) 22 GRIZON [GRISSON Marguerite (de) 11 Gruy Claude (de) 4 Edmé (Lord of Pottemont) (de) 8 Edmond/ Edouard (de) 32 François (de) 16 Verloin Antoine Gaspard (de) 2 DEGRUYS VERLOIN, LORD DUMENIL FOUCHARD, ECUYER DE LA FOLIE Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin [Officer of the Troups of the Navy of this Colony] (de) 1 Hastier ? 34 Nicole 17 Mésnil UNNAMED (du) 296 Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] (du) 74 Jean (du) 148 Mesnil [du Mesgnil Péronne (du) 37 PAMPELUNE Jean I (de) 152 Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE] Bernarde [Gertrude] (de) 19 Guillaume (de) 76 Jean II (de) 38 Perry Claude (Lord Of Le Mesnil-Fouchard, Lord Of La Chauffie, Captain Of The Duchy Of Piney-Luxembourg) (le) 10 Léonard (Seigneur de La Chauffie du Brouilleux, Magny-Fouchard et de Vaux) (Le) 20 Perry [Le Perrin Jeanne (le) 5 Richebourg Antoinette (de) 309 Roy Marie Jeanne (le) 7 Saint-Simon Louise [dame du Magny-Fouchard en 1559] [2nd wife] (de) 43 Verloing branche de Magny-Fouchard (de) 336 Daniel [or David] [écuyer] (de) 168 Guillaume [écuyer, seigneur en partie de Magny-Fouchard] (de) 84 Jacques-Guillaume (de) 42 Jeanne (Dame en part de Magny-Fouchard) (de) 21 Villeneuve Jeanne [dame en partie de Magny-Fourchard] (de la) 169 Nicolas (de la) 338 The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. 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Hi, This is Antoine's ahnentafel as of 4 Dec 2008. I'm able to submit it because Celine drew my attention to a notice from Geneanet that someone named D'Arsonval had information on the Degruy surname. I've been working with his material for almost two days yet and continue to find new items. Nevertheless I am submitting some of the data now, so others can get to work on it. Again, the following includes material found on Geneanet which comes from two of their contributors: Jean Claude D'Arsonval and Christian Mongin. Please let me know if you see any errors, so I can correct these as soon as possible. This is not ready for any kind of official publication because much has not been verified, but it is material which is additional to the research supplied by Msr. Chapelin, so there are many new names of heretofore unknown ancestors. I'm just submitting this now so that those who wish may get busy with research. What we need more than anything at this point is someone who is fluent in French who would help us with translation and research. I have been very limited in what I have been able to do on Geneanet because of my high school French. I limp along never sure if what I am translating is accurate. So if we can ever get an "official" Degruy list translator [ a volunteer since we don't have the funds to purchase help] we might really make some progress. Just keep in mind that this material is Not Ready for Publication, just material to use to do more serious research. We trust that whatever new developments might be discovered will be shared with the group. Renee Here goes: 1 Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin de Gruy [DEGRUYS VERLOIN, LORD DUMENIL FOUCHARD, ECUYER DE LA FOLIE] [Officer of the Troups of the Navy of this Colony]. Born on by 8 Aug 1716 in native of Paris, France; native of Versailles. Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin died in Kaskaskia, St. Clair County, Illinois; Thelma Coignard has him buried in Illinois, on 25 Feb 1759 HTR; he was 42. Occupation: Officer of the Naval Troups in this colony; In the military, explorer, discoverer of lead mines. On 17 Aug 1743 when Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin was 27, he married Marie Thérèse AUFRÈRE in Kaskaskia at Fort Chartres. 2 Antoine Gaspard de Gruy [de] Verloin. Born on 5 Aug 1655 in Le Mesnil-Fouchard [Magny-Fouchard] [Aube, Champagne]. Antoine Gaspard died in Chåteaudin, St-Lubin/ ILE DE France, Departement Yvelines 78, Versailles Palace Châteaudun, on 27 Nov 1722; he was 67. Buried on 28 Nov 1722. Occupation: Ecuyer, seigneur du Mesnil Fouchard, province de Champagne, chevalier de l'ordre militaire de Saint-Louis, major du régiment de cavalerie de Bourbon [1714]. Capitaine du régiment de cavalerie de Bourbon [1716]. On 26 Nov 1714 when Antoine Gaspard was 59, he married Françoise Hyacinthe le Conte in Beautheil, Département Seine-Et-Marne 77, Île-De-France, France. 3 Françoise Hyacinthe le Conte. Born on 22 Oct 1684 in Coulommiers. Françoise Hyacinthe died in Rozay-en-Brie on 25 Jun 1779; she was 94. Buried on 26 Jun 1779. 4 Claude de Gruy. Born abt 1600. Occupation: Seigneur duMesnil-Fouchard; Ecuyer, Seigneur de Magnifouchard-. On 20 Mar 1639 when Claude was 39, he married Jeanne le Perry [Le Perrin] in Jaucourt? [Aube]. 5 Jeanne le Perry [Le Perrin]. Born abt 1630. Jeanne died bef 1714; she was 84. 6 Jean Baptiste Claude le Conte [Conseiller du roi, élu en l'élection de Coulommiers [1714]]. Born abt 1666. Jean Baptiste Claude died in 1714; he was 48. Occupation: conseiller du roi, élu en l'élection de Coulommiers [1714]. Jean Baptiste Claude married Marie Jeanne le Roy. 7 Marie Jeanne le Roy. Born abt 1668. 8 Edmé de Gruy (Lord of Pottemont). Born in 1558. Occupation: Seigneur du Potémont [Vailly, Aube, France]Lord of Pottemont [Potémont, is a locality of Vailly [Aube]] [Captain, 100 Hommes de Pied] Captain of a 100 men company [hommes de pied]. On 31 Jul 1588 when Edmé was 30, he married Edmonde de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. 9 Edmonde de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born in 1573. Edmonde died bef 1639; she was 66. 10 Claude le Perry (Lord Of Le Mesnil-Fouchard, Lord Of La Chauffie, Captain Of The Duchy Of Piney-Luxembourg). Born abt 1606. Claude died bef 1639; he was 33. Occupation: [Lord of Le Mesnil-Fouchard]. On 22 Aug 1599 when Claude was <1, he married Marguerite de GRIZON [GRISSON]. 11 Marguerite de GRIZON [GRISSON]. Born abt 1608. Marguerite died in 1639; she was 31. 16 François de Gruy. Born abt 1526 or 1528. François died bef 1588; he was 62. Occupation: Ecuyer. abt 1548 when François was 22, he married Nicole Hastier. 17 Nicole Hastier. 18 Jean I de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1535. abt 1566 when Jean I was 31, he married Bernarde [Gertrude] de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. 19 Bernarde [Gertrude] de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. Born abt 1536. 20 Léonard Le Perry (Seigneur de La Chauffie du Brouilleux, Magny-Fouchard et de Vaux). Léonard died on 13 Jun 1602 in Magnifouchared. Buried in Chapelle Ste. Antoine de Magnefouchar. Léonard married Jeanne de Verloing (Dame en part de Magny-Fouchard). 21 Jeanne de Verloing (Dame en part de Magny-Fouchard). Jeanne died in 1639. Occupation: Dame du Magny-Fouchard. 22 Denis de Grizon. Denis married ?Ne. 23 ?Ne. 32 Edmond/ Edouard de Gruy. Edmond/ Edouard died in Demeuraient à Baillet aux Forges. Occupation: Seigneur de Villiers le Brûlé. Edmond/ Edouard married Isabeau de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. 33 Isabeau de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1491. 34 ? Hastier. 36 Oudart de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1496. Oudart married Péronne du Mesnil [du Mesgnil]. 37 Péronne du Mesnil [du Mesgnil]. Born abt 1500. Occupation: Dame du Petit-Mesnil. 38 Jean II de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. Jean II died in 1552. Occupation: Ecuyer, Seigneur d'Epothémont. abt 1550 Jean II married Charlotte de GENNES. 39 Charlotte de GENNES. 42 Jacques-Guillaume de Verloing. Jacques-Guillaume died abt 1559. Jacques-Guillaume married Louise de Saint-Simon [dame du Magny-Fouchard en 1559] [2nd wife]. 43 Louise de Saint-Simon [dame du Magny-Fouchard en 1559] [2nd wife]. 46 UNNAMED. Occupation: Ecuyer, gentilhomme napolitain. 66 Msr. Msr de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. Born abt 1463. abt 1485 when Msr was 22, he married Mme Mme de Baussancourt. 67 Mme Mme de Baussancourt. Born in 1465. 72 Msr. Msr de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. (Same as ahnentafel number 66.) 73 Mme Mme de Baussancourt. (Same as ahnentafel number 67.) 74 Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] du Mésnil. Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] died in 1514. Occupation: Seigneur du Petit-Mesnil. Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] married Lupérine [Lupine] de CHANTEREINE [CHANTERAINE]. 75 Lupérine [Lupine] de CHANTEREINE [CHANTERAINE]. 76 Guillaume de Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE]. Guillaume died ca 1529 in ulian - Epothémont,10500,Aube,Champagne Ardenne,FRANCE. Occupation: Seigneur d'Epothémont. Occupation: Seigneur d'Epothémont, homme d'armes des ordonnances sous la charge du Comte de Brienne. Guillaume married Angelberte d'Aulnay. 77 Angelberte d'Aulnay. 84 Guillaume de Verloing [écuyer, seigneur en partie de Magny-Fouchard]. Guillaume married Marguerite Dagobert. 85 Marguerite Dagobert. 134 de BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT]. 148 Jean du Mésnil. 152 Jean I de PAMPELUNE. Jean I married ? ?. 153 ? ? 154 Jean [Aîné] d'Aulnay. Jean [Aîné] died Died before May 1584. Occupation: Seigneur de Chalette, seigneur d'Aulnay. Jean [Aîné] married Catherine Bertin. 155 Catherine Bertin. 168 Daniel [or David] de Verloing [écuyer]. Daniel [or David] married Jeanne de la Villeneuve [dame en partie de Magny-Fourchard]. 169 Jeanne de la Villeneuve [dame en partie de Magny-Fourchard]. 296 du Mésnil. 308 Mathelin d'Aulnay. Occupation: Ecuyer, seigneur de Morambert, de Frampas et de Chalette. Mathelin married Antoinette de Richebourg. 309 Antoinette de Richebourg. 336 branche de Magny-Fouchard de Verloing. 338 Nicolas de la Villeneuve. Occupation: Seigneur du Magny-Fouchard. INDEX OF SURNAMES] UNNAMED 46 ?Ne 23 ? 153 AUFRÈRE Marie Thérèse spouse of 1 Baussancourt Mme Mme (de) 67 BAUSSANCOURT [BOSSANCOURT UNNAMED (de) 134 Edmonde (de) 9 Isabeau (de) 33 Jean I (de) 18 Msr. Msr (de) 66 Oudart (de) 36 Bertin Catherine 155 CHANTEREINE [CHANTERAINE Lupérine [Lupine] (de) 75 Conte Françoise Hyacinthe (le) 3 Jean Baptiste Claude [Conseiller du roi, élu en l'élection de Coulommiers [1714]] (le) 6 Dagobert Marguerite 85 d'Aulnay Angelberte 77 Jean [Aîné] 154 Mathelin 308 GENNES Charlotte (de) 39 Grizon Denis (de) 22 GRIZON [GRISSON Marguerite (de) 11 Gruy Claude (de) 4 Edmé (Lord of Pottemont) (de) 8 Edmond/ Edouard (de) 32 François (de) 16 Verloin Antoine Gaspard (de) 2 DEGRUYS VERLOIN, LORD DUMENIL FOUCHARD, ECUYER DE LA FOLIE Antoine Jean-Baptiste Valéntin Du Mésnil Fouchart Verloin [Officer of the Troups of the Navy of this Colony] (de) 1 Hastier ? 34 Nicole 17 Mésnil UNNAMED (du) 296 Guillaume [Dit Richier] [Le Riche] (du) 74 Jean (du) 148 Mesnil [du Mesgnil Péronne (du) 37 PAMPELUNE Jean I (de) 152 Pamplume [De PAMPELUNE] Bernarde [Gertrude] (de) 19 Guillaume (de) 76 Jean II (de) 38 Perry Claude (Lord Of Le Mesnil-Fouchard, Lord Of La Chauffie, Captain Of The Duchy Of Piney-Luxembourg) (le) 10 Léonard (Seigneur de La Chauffie du Brouilleux, Magny-Fouchard et de Vaux) (Le) 20 Perry [Le Perrin Jeanne (le) 5 Richebourg Antoinette (de) 309 Roy Marie Jeanne (le) 7 Saint-Simon Louise [dame du Magny-Fouchard en 1559] [2nd wife] (de) 43 Verloing branche de Magny-Fouchard (de) 336 Daniel [or David] [écuyer] (de) 168 Guillaume [écuyer, seigneur en partie de Magny-Fouchard] (de) 84 Jacques-Guillaume (de) 42 Jeanne (Dame en part de Magny-Fouchard) (de) 21 Villeneuve Jeanne [dame en partie de Magny-Fourchard] (de la) 169 Nicolas (de la) 338

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I don't know where to put this person who appears in one of the records Helen has sent us [Thanks, Helen!] Can someone help with this? Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 17 - 1826-1827 page 107 DEGRUIS [@DEGRUISE] (see VERLOIN DEGRUIS) Juan (Pedro and Maria Magdalena [o], both natives of this city), b. Aug. 20, 1827, bn. Jul. 7, 1825, s. Manuel Juan BUTIL and Maria Magdalena JOURDAIN Saint Louis Cathedral , B37, 217

IMP... This rare book can be downloaded using Google.... It should be very important to our research: Histoire des ducs et des comtes de Champagne By Henry Arbois de Jubainville, Thought you'd want to know... Renee http://books.google.com/books?id=FQkQAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Histoire+des+ducs+et+des+comtes+de+Champagne%22&lr= <http://books.google.com/books?id=FQkQAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Histoire+des+ducs+et+des+comtes+de+Champagne%22&lr=>

+S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >remember in "dinner at antoines" there is a AMALIE LALANDE and (my earlier account) >there is a leroy/cavaroc tie to ANTOINES restaurant. ************************* +COUNT HENRI de LALANDE+ (the lost bordeaux family) ************************** +WE RECORD EVERYTHING+ >much of my childhood was spent in a household where parisian french +WAS MUSIC TO MY EARS+ >sadly they wanted me"more american" so english was my >ONLY LANGUAGE< ****************** >nevertheless FAMILY NAMES lodged (cavaroc) in my consciousness ****************************** +LAMOTHE, LALANDE, LANUSSE LELONG, VIOSCA, PITOT, ************************* +CREOLE BEAUTIES+ (memere had 11 siblings) >were the names i heard of some of the families my grandmothers (ROYAL ST. TOWNHOUSE) >sisters married into from the chalmette plantation. ************************** +PIERRE CHARLES CAVAROC THE SON OF A CAVAROC/leROY HOUSEHOLD with bordeaux heritage was my grandmother's creole father. ****************************** >IMPORTING BORDEAUX WINES WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THE CAVAROC'S annual travel to the bordeaux - medoc region where the great... ******************************** +LALANDE /PICHON+- +LONGEVILLE+ >wines were much sought after and still are to this very day. ***************************** +A CREOLE ROMANCE+ ( memere's beautiful sister) >THE CAVAROC/LALANDE ROMANCE AWAITS A francis park. keyes ******************* +COUNT HENRI deLALANDE'S FAMILY has a remarkable history dating TO HEROISM @ AGINCOURT ***************************** (marianne and i drove through the village of lalande (next to cadillac) n. east of bordeaux last year.) ***************************** >THE NEW ORLEANS BRANCH OF THE de LA LANDE FAMILY IS OUTLINED IN THE BOOK... ************************* +OLD LOUISIANA FAMILIES+ (arthur and de kernion) ++++++++++++++ >(COTTON WEALTH)< the classic new orleans story >includes one "eccentric" daughter (1ST. W.W., 1916) >and her london adventure. *************************** +deGRUY/LALANDE HISTORY+ >connection to the degruy/lalande history is uncertain @ this point. ********************************* ( h o w e v e r ) >A COLONIAL DOCUMENT IS SIGNED lalande, guillemot, aufrere and DEGRUYVERLOIN ***************** >JEAN BAPTISTE LALANDE AT (guillemot dit lalande) +CHARTRES VILLAGE+. ******************** gene ray, san diego, california

This was my aunt. She was married to my father's brother, Paul, who was the son of Francois Paul de Gruy and Mary Lee Lucy O'Reilly. Best regards, Charles M. de Gruy From: Wally Schneidau Sent: Sun 11/23/2008 3:01 PM To: Degruy List Subject: [DEGRUY] Obituary - Irene Cooper Degruy In today's (11/23/2008) New Orleans Times-Picayune, Page B-4, Column 3: Irene "Nannie" Cooper deGruy passed away peacefully at her home on Thursday, November 20, 2008. Beloved wife of the late Paul U. deGruy. Sister of Margaret Cooper Brandt and the late Louis Cooper Heier and John D. Cooper. Daughter of the late Elizabeth Hauptmann and John D. Cooper. Also survived by numerous nieces and nephews. Aged 94 years. A native of New Orleans, Louisiana, and a resident of Metairie, Louisiana, for the past 60 years. Mrs. deGruy was a parishioner of St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church. She and her husband were owners of deGruy's Jewelers on Metairie Road for many years. Relatives and friends of the family are invited to attend the Funeral Mass from Leitz-Eagan Funeral Home Chapel, 4747 Veterans Blvd., Metairie, LA on Monday, November 24, 2008, at 12:00 noon. Interment in Lake Lawn Park Mausoleum. Friends may visit from 10:00 a.m. until time of services. In lieu of flowers, Masses or donations to your favorite charity preferred. Online guest book available at legacy.com. Wally Schneidau The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+KING HENRI IV OF FRANCE+ 1553 - (1589) - 1610 >was the son of jeanne de albret (both born @ pau near lourdes) >ancestor of our montberaud ****************************** +WHO BECAME ONE OF FRANCE'S MOST LOVED & ADMIRED KINGS ********************************** +FIRST BOURBON KING+ >his father was antoine de bourbon so his line led directly to louis 14 +THE SUN KING+ and down to louis 18th who married louise of savoy. ( in the 19th century ) ! ************************ >HENRI IV WAS A GREAT PATRON OF THE ARTS & ARCHITECTURE ******************************** >among many projects< >HE CONSTRUCTED THE PLACE de VOSGES, THE PONT NEUF & (seine bridge) >THE 400 FT. GALLERY OF THE LOUVRE PALACE. ********************** >all of which have been a joy to me during many paris adventures ******************************* +THE PLACE de VOSGES ESPECIALLY a marvelous progenitor of the +PALAIS ROYALE+ >and every exquisite shop arcade since the place de vosges was +THE VERY FIRST+ *************** >it was here that i was hosted to lunch by a very aristocratic & (VISION - W/O FUNDS) >aged french nobleman who wanted to build a french- american university. ******************** (THE NOTE BELOW IS FOR MY GENEROUS, NOBLE, FRENCH FRIENDS WHO IGNITWD +MUCH JOY FOR ME+. ******************** +FRANCOIS de BOURBON+ (descendent of louis 14th) and +MICHELE MORGAND+ (superior french violinist) ************************* >my dear parisian friends i send you greetings with concern regarding >MICHELE'S HEALTH< ******************** +HOW MANY WONDERFUL TIMES WE HAD IN PARIS WITH YOU & WITH THANKS TO YOU ************************* >that party on the seine barge with (SUNSET/NOTRE DAME) >your many great friends was +M A G I N I F IQ U E+ ******************** >i hope you will enjot this small note about your ancestor king henri 4th ************************************* +FIRST BOURBON KING OF THE RADIANT LINE OF YOUR H E R I T A G E ******************* +KNOWN FOR VISION & COURAGE+ (attributes of the languedoc) **************************** +HENRI's QUOTATIONS+ *********************** 1) >"PARIS IS WORTH A MASS"< >similar to his >huguenaught mother, henri was originally protestant changing to catholic upon recieving the +CROWN OF FRANCE+ ********************* 2) >"A CHICKEN IN EVERY POT"< >he beat huey long to this by a few hundred years. ******************* 3) >I RULE WITH MY ARSE IN THE SADDLE AND MY HAND ON MY WEAPON. ( by the sword, of course ) ************************ >ironically good king henri was killed by the knife of a crazed assassin, in paris, in the cab of his carriage. ******************************* >FOR OUR INTEREST HIS GREATEST RIVAL FOR THE THRONE WAS +HENRI, DUKE de GUISE+ whose wife was louise >OF LORRAINE< +LAST OF THE VALOIS KINGS+ >(the duke de guise was 1 of 3 sons of catherine de medici who +WERE KING OF FRANCE) ************************* +ABOVE ALL, PERHAPS, IT WAS KING HENRI 4TH WHO BECAME FATHER OF THE FRENCH COLONY OF +C A N A D A+ ************** >which led of course to.... ++++++++++++++ +N E W O R L E A N S+ ( our radiant ticket ) ****************** gene ray, san diego, california

yes, world castles Eugene Ray <[email protected]> wrote: THANKS NANCY, what book are you referring to ? perhaps world castles ? ALL BEST gene -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Carra Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] FRENCH-SWISS PRIORY SECRETS a study of transcendent import / RENNES le CHATEAU-habsburg gold rosicrucian tie /montaut de montberaud / RADIANT ARCH. & my RUDOLF STEINER exhibition Hi Eugene, I bought that book a year ago I really enjoyed reading about it. Sorry if I don't have information to give. But I do enjoy reading about the family. Thanks, Eugene Ray wrote: >for jim bourke, my 1994 student assistant who helped me set (ARCHITECTURE) >up my exhibition/lecture @ the steiner institute) ********************* +AN AMAZING PLACE+ ********************* >probably the most interesting LECTURE VENUE >of my life as a professor (synchronistically) >WAS HIGH UP IN THE SWISS ALPS AT THE RUDOLF STEINER +I N S T I T U T E+ **************** >not far from our magnificent castle of the +COUNTS de GRUYERE+ (see "castles of the world", >barnes & noble, pp184-89) ************************** +THE STEINER INSTITUTE IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE PLACE ++++++++++++++++ (archt., james bourke) >still talks about this amazing +E X P E R I E N C E+ >with its huge goetheanium building dominating the swiss alpine +MIES EN SCENE+ **************** >even frank lloyd wrights taliesin as magical a place as one could hope to lecture cannot match +THE STEINER EXPERIENCE+ (google : steiner institute) ************************* +GOLD INGOTS FOR deGAULLE+ >when i look over the evidence there is a large number of elements of THE PRIORY OF SION SECRETS >that can be traced to swiss locales ESPECIALLY AROUND GENEVA (near our gruyeres village) ************************** >DO NOT DISMISS PIERRE PLANTARD ENTIRELY AS A CHARLETON THERE (hiding greater secrets) >IS MUCH EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS A MASTER OF DISINFORMATION. WITH A REAL, HIDDEN AGENDA. (some believe grail/magdeline) ******************************* +HIS KNOWN PUBLIC ROLE+ >you recall pierre plantard's history (documented) of smuggling gold [email protected] geneva for degaulles +RETURN TO POWER+ (shades of jean baptiste degruy history with the lafitte bros.) ***************************** +"LE CHARIVARI", PARIS, 1973+ (this paris review was the 1st french publication to cover the secrets of +THE PRIORY OF SION+) ********************* >REVEALED THAT THE RUDOLF STEINER FOLLOWERS OWNED THE GOLD (habsburg purchaser ? >see end note< ) >VESSELS & PLATE THAT CAME FROM RENNES LE CHATEAU ! (and it was smuggled into +S W I T Z E R L A N D+ ********************* >it is known that rev. sauniere did have dealings with swiss banks (MILLIONS OF FRANKS) >while amassing his fortune but +THIS STEINER CONNECTION IS STILL ANOTHER MYSTERY. ***************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >one clue that the priory of sion many researchers seem to have missed ********************************** >IS THAT RUDOLF STEINER AND THE +PRIORY OF SION+ >SHARED A ROSICRUCIAN, GNOSTIC +CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY+ ************************* +HEALTHIER BUILDINGS+ >the invitation that was extended to me to lecture / exhibit my architecture was based on the resarch i had >made into biotronic energy.... ***************************** >AS AN INTRINSIC BUT OVERLOOKED FACTOR OF ALL CONSTRUCTED +ARCHITECTURAL VOLUME+ *************************** +ARCHITECTURE IS "ALIVE"+ >(the steiner goetheaneum foundation >building is a biomorphic structure (FREE FLOWING VOLUME) >an enlightened format for its time. *********************************** NOTE: my research, lecture & exhibition had nothing to do with the steiner / priory religous / philosophical +AGENDA AND OPERATION+. *************************** >MY WORK, COMPLETLY INDEPENDENT< i had lectured all over the world on +RADIANT ARCHITECTURE+ and have shared much of this +WITH YOU BEFORE.+ ******************* >please think of this oveview< >NOTES: THE HABSBURGS ARE KNOWN TO HAVE VISITED RENNES LE CHATEAU which is a very out of the way locus in the templar/cather hills of +L A N G U E D O C+ ****************** >NOT FAR FROM THE VILLAGES OF MONTAUT / MONTBERAUD ( south of toulouse ) ****************** >WHICH ADDS MUCH SPICE TO deGRUY FAMILY HISTORY. (elizabeth sabine montaut mont- beraud and the lautrec monfa (COUNTS OF TOULOUSE) >family of henri de toulouse lautrec the great painter.) ( JEANNE de ALBRET ) > DAUGHTER OF THE SISTER OF (marguerite of navarre) +FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1st ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+JEANNE de ALBRET+ 1528-1572 (QUEEN OF NAVARRE) >was a rather amazing persona ++++++++++++++++++++ >THE FIRST MODERN WOMAN< (it has been said) **************** +HER MOTHER MARGUERITE WAS THE (marguerite de angouleme) +SISTER OF OUR KING FRANCOIS 1st. (father was charles de angouleme) ********************************** +MICHAEL deGRUYERE, THE LAST COUNT RAISED WITH THEM (paris, bordeaux, loire) ********************** >(remember their grandmother was (SAVOY/BRESSE/GRUYERE) >our savoy/french queen louise daughter of phillipe de bresse) ******************************* +ANGOULEME IS N. E. OF BORDEAUX (source of the lamothe, cavaroc (BORDEAUX AREA) >& leroy new orleans families) ****************************** +ELIZABETH SABINE de MONTAUT de MANTBERAUD, WIFE OF JEAN BAPT. VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY ***************************** >was a direct descendent of +QUEEN JEANNE deALBRET+ *************************** >ONE MUST LOOK @ THE MAP< >if one looks at the map of southwest france the picture becomes v. clear. ************************************ +TARBES ET LOURDES+ (southeast of bordeaux) 1) jeanne de albret's castle was at the sacred town of lourdes, only a few (SAINTS & MIRACLES) >miles from the village of tarbes et lourdes, her mies en scene. ******************************* +THE HILLTOP CASTLES OF THE COUNTS de MONTAUT de MONTBERAUD >are just a few miles to the east< ******************************** +THIS IS CATHAR / KNIGHTS TEMPLAR COUNTRY, NOT FAR FROM THE (birth of western art) +LASCAUX CAVES AND, YES, +RENNES LE CHATEAUX+. ************************ L A N G U E D O C ****************** >this powerful region was where the GREAT KING CHARLEMAGNE defeated the saracens +THE LAND OF OC+ ****************** >THE CIVILIZATION HERE WAS EARLIER (troubadours/grail legends) >THEN THAT OF THE NORTH/GAULS (the language distinctly different) ********************************** +R H A E D A E+ THE 3RD LARGEST VISIGOTHIC CITY was located near rennes le chateau and the stone beehive houses are still to be found in ruins nearby. ********************************* (merovingian stronghold) +GOOD KING DAGOBERT'S SON+ (rennes le chateaux, 659) >SIGEBERT TAKEN HERE AFTER HIS FATHER WAS MURDERED ******************************* >THE HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL LEGEND CONSTRUCTED ON THIS FOUNDATION which makes jeanne de albrets stand ( HUGUENOT ) >a rather strange irony, resulting in >"THE WAR OF RELIGIONS"< ************************* (1562) +BEZU - BIGOU - BEZOU+ >i find it rather amazing that 1 of the priests in the story of rennes le chateau was reverand bigou ****************************** >THE VILLAGE NEAR RENNES le CHATEAU IS BEZU ! ********************* WHILE REV. HENRY C. BEZOU >was for many years a major degruy scholar regarding jefferson parish, *********************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ one has to wonder his >O R I G I N S< **************** gene ray, san diego, california

NOTE: WHILE RESEARCHING THIS I MADE AN AMAZING DISCOVERY. if you look carefully at a map of the rennes le chateau region. >YOU WILL FIND THE NAME OF THE CLOSEST VILLAGE TO THE SOUTH >IS SOUBIROUS< +(bernadette soubirous is of course the child of the miraculous vision) >IN ALL THE RENNES LE CHATEAU (totally overlooked) >LITERATURE THIS WAS IGNORED (the synchronicity is powerful) ****************************** + S AC R E D + G E O M E T R Y+ ****************************** >if you read robert richardson's view of enigmatic history @ rennes le chateau **************************************** "ALPHEUS, THE SECRET OF RENNES LE CHATEAU" (google) "LANGUEDOC MAGIC" >you will find knowledge regarding the geometry around the towns and land +PENTAGRAMS & CIRCLES+ >of rennes le chateau & rennes le bains **************************************** +AS AN ARCHITECT/PROFESSOR+ >this knowledge was part of my life for many years and i have explained my ************************************* +USE OF CIRCLAR DESIGN+ >in my view as a derivative of genetic memory of the circular design used BY OUR ANCESTORS >but i should also explain, & perhaps i have, the intelligence of circular design in radiant energy terms. ******************************** +THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR, MASONS (architectural wisdom) >AND ROSICRUCIANS ALL WERE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THIS **************************** +WORLD CLASS STRUCTURE+ >with this in mind, i believe it is quite likely that our dynamic, energetic ancestor +JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTN VERLOIN deGRUY >employd the ancient knowledge of +THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ************************* >TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT HIS +UNIQUE ROUND SUGAR MILL+. ******************************* >OVERVIEW< 1) i believe he was aware of his family history with the templars (david's templar ring) and may have been a "mason" with sacred geometry knowledge, not too unusual. ( george washington etc, ) ************************ +LATROBE, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE NATIONAL CAPITAL USED THESE (he & son's famous sketches of the degruy sugar mill) +PRINCIPLES & WAS FASCINATED WITH JEAN BAPTISTE'S ROUND +S U G A R M I L L+ ******************* 2) it is increasingly obvious to me that the LANGUEDOC VILLAGES of the father of jean baptiste valentin's aristocratic wife (ancient regime counts) +MONTAUT & MONTBERAUD+ ***************************** +PROVIDED THAT FAMILY WITH THE SAME TEMPLAR MILIEU THAT THE (knowledge/ wisdom) >VERLOIN deGRUY'S INHERITED ******************************** +CATHAR/TEMPLAR REGION+ >it is important to study an enlarged map of the region of rugged hills south of carcasonne to find the village of rennes le chateau. **************************** +MONTAUT & MONTBERAUD+ >are just a few miles westward, n. of +saint girons and s. of cazeres ****************************** +THESE HILLTOP TOWNS DEVELOPED EARLY AS FORTIFIED RELIGIOUS >druid,celtic,cathar,templar< +RITUAL/CEREMONIAL PLACES (read robert richardson) ************************ +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ NOTE: in addition to sacred geometry of architecture ,stone landmarks & land formations inscribing power labrinthes, zodiacs & pentagrams (radiant architecture secrets) >THE VALLEY NEAR RENNES LE CHATEAU IS FILLED W/ IMPORTANT >CIRCULAR< BEEHIVE STONE RESIDENTIAL RUINS (of ancient visigothic origin) **************************** >AMAZINGLY THE SAME ARCHITECTURE AND RADIANT ENERGY STRUCTURES (independent discovery) >THAT I RESEARCHED AND TAUGHT AT S.D.S.U. MANY CENTURIES LATER. ********************************** +L O U R D E S+ >i wish to also point out that just a few miles further to the west of montaut and montberaud is lourdes the MAGICAL MIES EN SCENE OF THE SOUBIROUS DAUGHTER (bernadettes visions) >WHO HAD TRANSCENDENT RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE. ************************ >it is comforting that the miracles of lourdes and the miracles of saint joan of arc both form part of ****************************** >THE AMAZING HISTORY OF THE +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

+THE FRENCH THRIVE ON ENIGMAS+ the list above selected from the french >history magazine< "HISTORIA THEMATIQUE" ************************* >the only magazine i buy today that i cannot read although i once was a subscriber to "CAHIER DU CINEMA" >historical french cinema fascinates (GENETIC MEMORY) >esp. franju, renoir, tati, chabrol, varda, godard, malle,.. it is the +SPIRIT/ATMOSPHERE+ ********************** +RENNES LE CHATEAU / CATHARS+ *********************************** >is the enigmatic mystery that fascinates the most in the list selected above. >ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO deGRUY/deGRUYERE >family history< ************** >I AM CONTINUALLY DISCOVERING POINTS THAT RELATE TO OUR +TEMPLAR/CRUSADE+ +FAMILY HISTORY+ ***************** +just as the mississippi river connects our french places in the u.s. the seine connects paris w/ troyes +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >and the rhone connects lake geneva (gruyeres) with the +L A N G U E D O C+ (and provence) ************** +OUR "OTHER" TOWNS+ >"valence" on the rhone source of valentin history as is "bourg en bresse" on the rhone source of >COUNT deBRESSE< +DUKE PHILLIPE deSAVOY+ "compare" of +COUNT LOUIS deGRUYERE+ *************************** +SYNCHRONICITY+ NOTE: the island of sicily was a last locus outside france of templar interests was also kingdom of savoy dukes & rene d'anjou >go figure< +++++++ +GRUYERE/SAVOY/ANJOU/+ >templar bond< +LORRAINE/GUISE/VALOIS+ +ALBRET/NAVARRE+ etc, etc, etc, +LANGUEDOC WAS WHERE OUR GOOD KINGS DAGOBERT AND ANJOU FIT INTO THE CATHAR / RENNES LE CHATEAU ENIGMA / MYSTERY (both with ancestral history) *************************** >a thanksgiving gift for you and myself was the discovery last night of the web site.... ********************* +CHATEAU d' HAUTPOUL INFORMATION+ +++++++++++++++++++++++++ >the ENIGMA of rennes le chateau (originally chateau hautpoul) >IS AN INDUSTRY IN FRANCE AND ENGLAND SINCE THE 1970S (long before brown's fiction) ***************************** >THE MARQUIS d' HAUTPOUL de BLANCHEFORT WAS THE 6th GRAND MASTER OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR **************************** >perhaps we shall find why his wife's confessor , REV. BEZU and the rev. saunier's confessor were so very.... ********************************** +D I S C O M B O B O L A T E D+ >after hearing last confessions< ******************************* >IT IS SAID THAT SAUNIER'S CONFESS- OR REFUSED HIM EXTREME UNCTION. (they were close friends) +AND NEVER SMILED AGAIN+ ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

+LIFE AT THE FRENCH COURT IN THE 16th CENTURY WAS (for most nobles) >AN EXPENSIVE EXPERIENCE< ***************************** ( michael degruyere probably as a relative " got a break" *************************** >HE WAS, WE REMEMBER, EDUCATED AT THE COURT, BESIDE FRANCOIS wearing special white clothing, for 8 years ( dekoven biog. ) *************************** >FRANCOIS 1st WAS QUITE A LADIES MAN & MICHAEL deGRUYERE HAD (inherited from the devirgy) WITH HIS RADIANT BLOND HAIR >followed happily this lead< *************************** >(mrs dekoven definitely does not approve of michaels court "high jinks" with the young francois) ******************************* >THE COURT OF THE HOLY ROMAN (at that time in italy giving >michael medici culture) >EMPIRE WAS ALSO EXPERIENCED BY THE YOUNG COUNT MICHAEL. ********************************** >LIKE OUR COLLEGES< >michaels father, count louis, was a gifted political mediator & made (CHIEF SAVOY MEDIATOR FOR PHILIPPE deBRESSE) >certain michael was exposed to the northern austrian court as well as the french home court. ******************************* >COSTS @ THE FRENCH COURT (for nobility) >WERE DEPENDENT ON THE #of retainers in the suite. ************************** ( in 1516 the young prince frederico gonzaga, of navarre, had 50 re- tainers with 40 horses ) *********************** +PRINCE RENE OF SAVOY, UNCLE >OF KING FRANCOIS 1st< >was the "grand master" of the french court, supervising appointments & (ANN.COST, 215,000 LIVRES) > in charge of the 622 person staff. ********************************** >WE CAN REST ASSURED MICHAEL RECIEVED GOOD TREATMENT (there shared savoy hIstory) **************************** >NOBLES AT THE FRENCH COURT (up to 10,000 nomadic people) >liked to spend only part of their time there as their chateau in the countryside were very +BEAUTIFUL PLACES+. ******************** "GENTLEMEN OF THE CHAMBER" >was a role king francois created for the young males closest to him in 1516 when he wnt of to conquer milan +MICHAEL deGRUYERE'S ROLE+ ****************************** +CATHERINE deMEDICI+ >was brought in from florence to marry king francois'son henri & bring much +FLORENCIAN ART AND CULTURE+ >into the french court ********************** >COUNT MICHAEL & CATHERINE WERE +DEVOTED FRIENDS FOR LIFE+ >(toward the end of his life she had michael appointed to the panel ( GRUYER / GUISE ) >investigating the murder of >THE DUKE de GUISE< ******************** + KING FRANCOIS' 1st's DAY+ 1) THE KING'S LEVER : his day would begin by the most honored guest handing him his shirt. (after he had looked at a list to see who was there) ****************************** 2) he would attend to state papers and/ or meet with his councilers until 10. ( leroy, bossancourt, & other rel. ) ******************************** 3) at 10 am he would attend mass w/ all the princes and lords in residence. (degruy prince michael @ his side, ********************************** >TO MENTION A FEW< >savoy, anjou, lorraine, navarre, provence, touraine, champagne, bresse, languedoc, poitou, berry burgundy, limousin, gascony etc. ********************************* 4) at 11 am he would have his lunch w/ music as he would dine alone. many days he would listen to books from (LARGEST EUROPEAN) >his library being read w/ dramatic gusto fitting his romantic nature. ********************************** 5) twice a week he would hold an open audience after his generous lunch. (the 6 foot tall king was athletic and known for his appetites) ***************************** 6) lovemaking was important to king francois and he would spend an hour or two with his queen and mistress as suited the moment. ******************************** 7) he would withdraw to his study until 3 p.m. when he would partake of sport such as tennis or hunting. ******************************** 8) in the evening he would dine with his family (michael degruyere included) with entertainment such as a ball or masque included. ( leonardo davinci's star radiant @ night ) ****************************** 9) the kings day ended with his "coucher" which like the "lever" was attended by the assembled honored nobles. *********************************** >THE LOVE FOR ITALIAN CIVILIZATION AND THE GEOGRAPHY OF FRANCE (art, culture, transport) >MADE FRANCOIS' 1STS COURT THE LEADER OF EUROPE. ************************* >degruy / degruyer castles/chateau (PLUS SAVOY BLOOD) >were perfectly located to play +I M P O R T A N T + R O L E S+ ****************************** (mediators w/ mobile swiss soldiers located w/ high alpine pass control were important kingly relatives) ********************************* >O V E R V I E W< ++++++++++++ >THE GOLD THAT FOUNDED SWISS BANKING INTERESTS SOURCE may very well come from the riches of the soloman temple >1ST CRUSADE HISTORY< (templar jerusalem to templar swiss) ***************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

THANKS NANCY, what book are you referring to ? perhaps world castles ? ALL BEST gene -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Carra Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] FRENCH-SWISS PRIORY SECRETS a study of transcendent import / RENNES le CHATEAU-habsburg gold rosicrucian tie /montaut de montberaud / RADIANT ARCH. & my RUDOLF STEINER exhibition Hi Eugene, I bought that book a year ago I really enjoyed reading about it. Sorry if I don't have information to give. But I do enjoy reading about the family. Thanks, Eugene Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >for jim bourke, my 1994 student assistant who helped me set (ARCHITECTURE) >up my exhibition/lecture @ the steiner institute) ********************* +AN AMAZING PLACE+ ********************* >probably the most interesting LECTURE VENUE >of my life as a professor (synchronistically) >WAS HIGH UP IN THE SWISS ALPS AT THE RUDOLF STEINER +I N S T I T U T E+ **************** >not far from our magnificent castle of the +COUNTS de GRUYERE+ (see "castles of the world", >barnes & noble, pp184-89) ************************** +THE STEINER INSTITUTE IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE PLACE ++++++++++++++++ (archt., james bourke) >still talks about this amazing +E X P E R I E N C E+ >with its huge goetheanium building dominating the swiss alpine +MIES EN SCENE+ **************** >even frank lloyd wrights taliesin as magical a place as one could hope to lecture cannot match +THE STEINER EXPERIENCE+ (google : steiner institute) ************************* +GOLD INGOTS FOR deGAULLE+ >when i look over the evidence there is a large number of elements of THE PRIORY OF SION SECRETS >that can be traced to swiss locales ESPECIALLY AROUND GENEVA (near our gruyeres village) ************************** >DO NOT DISMISS PIERRE PLANTARD ENTIRELY AS A CHARLETON THERE (hiding greater secrets) >IS MUCH EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS A MASTER OF DISINFORMATION. WITH A REAL, HIDDEN AGENDA. (some believe grail/magdeline) ******************************* +HIS KNOWN PUBLIC ROLE+ >you recall pierre plantard's history (documented) of smuggling gold [email protected] geneva for degaulles +RETURN TO POWER+ (shades of jean baptiste degruy history with the lafitte bros.) ***************************** +"LE CHARIVARI", PARIS, 1973+ (this paris review was the 1st french publication to cover the secrets of +THE PRIORY OF SION+) ********************* >REVEALED THAT THE RUDOLF STEINER FOLLOWERS OWNED THE GOLD (habsburg purchaser ? >see end note< ) >VESSELS & PLATE THAT CAME FROM RENNES LE CHATEAU ! (and it was smuggled into +S W I T Z E R L A N D+ ********************* >it is known that rev. sauniere did have dealings with swiss banks (MILLIONS OF FRANKS) >while amassing his fortune but +THIS STEINER CONNECTION IS STILL ANOTHER MYSTERY. ***************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >one clue that the priory of sion many researchers seem to have missed ********************************** >IS THAT RUDOLF STEINER AND THE +PRIORY OF SION+ >SHARED A ROSICRUCIAN, GNOSTIC +CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY+ ************************* +HEALTHIER BUILDINGS+ >the invitation that was extended to me to lecture / exhibit my architecture was based on the resarch i had >made into biotronic energy.... ***************************** >AS AN INTRINSIC BUT OVERLOOKED FACTOR OF ALL CONSTRUCTED +ARCHITECTURAL VOLUME+ *************************** +ARCHITECTURE IS "ALIVE"+ >(the steiner goetheaneum foundation >building is a biomorphic structure (FREE FLOWING VOLUME) >an enlightened format for its time. *********************************** NOTE: my research, lecture & exhibition had nothing to do with the steiner / priory religous / philosophical +AGENDA AND OPERATION+. *************************** >MY WORK, COMPLETLY INDEPENDENT< i had lectured all over the world on +RADIANT ARCHITECTURE+ and have shared much of this +WITH YOU BEFORE.+ ******************* >please think of this oveview< >NOTES: THE HABSBURGS ARE KNOWN TO HAVE VISITED RENNES LE CHATEAU which is a very out of the way locus in the templar/cather hills of +L A N G U E D O C+ ****************** >NOT FAR FROM THE VILLAGES OF MONTAUT / MONTBERAUD ( south of toulouse ) ****************** >WHICH ADDS MUCH SPICE TO deGRUY FAMILY HISTORY. (elizabeth sabine montaut mont- beraud and the lautrec monfa (COUNTS OF TOULOUSE) >family of henri de toulouse lautrec the great painter.) ( JEANNE de ALBRET ) > DAUGHTER OF THE SISTER OF (marguerite of navarre) +FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1st ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." 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+THE VERLOIN/duFOUCHARD deGRUY family of new orleans were a very ( IN THE 19th. CENTURY) >proud bunch and it has taken a >LIFETIME TO FIGURE IT OUT. *************************** >gilbert dufouchard degruy was hot on the trail and only now IS THE LARGER PICTURE +(european)+ >COMING INTO FOCUS. (he would be so very >P L E A S E D< ************* "CASTLES OF THE WORLD" >is the barnes and noble book i have recommended for you to see our >deGRUYERE HERITAGE IN ALL ( pages 184-189 ) >OF ITS RADIANT SPLENDOR. ***************************** >look at other swiss castle pages & you will find 2 other castles with gruyere fmly. history. *************************** 1) GRANDSON CASTLE , pp 180-183 (early degruyere family branch) 2) CHILLON CASTLE , pp 174-179 ( dukes de savoy castle, this is ( one of several ) >the most visited in swiss. >gruyere is 2nd. ) +COUNTS de GRUYERE+ >mrs dekoven's book on the counts of gruyere (on the family website) (MUST READ CAREFULLY) >wiil provide some history despite her rather sketchy writing style) ********************************* +FRENCH SWITZERLAND+ >the savoy coat of arms over the fire (WHITE CROSS, RED SHIELD) >place at chillon remind us of our +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR HISTORY+ from the crusades ******************* >NOTE" the connection between the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR & SWISS IN SWITZERLAND IS VERY +G R E A T+ ********* 1)THE BANKING TALENT @ THE (swiss bank history) 2)COMMON BATTLE FLAG (red cross,white field) ARE TWO IMPORTANT. >connections< ************* +SWISS-TEMPLAR+ >just last night i read that when the knights templar left their island ( SICILY / CYPRESS ) >stronghold,>switzerland<became along with languedoc their +LAST POWER PLACE+ (gruyere influence) ? ****************** +THE ROUTE D' ITALIA+ (the swiss chillon road) >IS THE HISTORIC ROAD ALONG LAKE GENEVA IN FRONT OF THE CASTLE that for centuries was the only road connecting italy with +NORTHERN EUROPE +incl. north. france+ +paris/champagne+ ****************** >THE ROAD JUST SOUTH OF GRUYERE, GRANDSON etc. TAKEN BY OUR (paris/milan train) >MICHAEL deGRUYERE AND THE (king francois 1st armies) +GREAT LEONARDO DAVINCI+. ***************************** >last night i spent 3 hours reading the mysterious and fascinating history associated with rennes le chateau *********************************** >ONE MUST READ SEVERAL VIEWS OF THIS AMAZING STORY TO (it is very complex) >CONSTRUCT ACCURACY IN C O M P R E H E N S I O N ************************** >for the verloin degruy interests it is the templar/cather history in that remote region that is of +VALUABLE IMPORT+ ******************* >A TRANSCENDENT SECRET TREASURE (powerful french legend) >PROBABLY ORIGINATING IN THE (temple of solomon) >TEMPLAR PALACE OF KING BALDWIN IN JERUSALEM ************************** >was brought to languedoc near the VILLAGE OF RENNES LE CHATEAU *********************************** +king baldwin was the younger brother of godfroi debouillon FOUNDER OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR NEAR TROYES ************************* >and a degruy "brother" (TEMPLAR KNIGHT) >1st crusade colleague. ********************** +ARC OF THE COVENANT+ AND +THE HOLY GRAIL+ ARE THE (rev. sauniere secret) ? +LEGENDARY PRIMARY HISTORICAL ITEMS. ******************* >this is known as the"gisors treasure" (a town in the region) >and a book of this focus is *************************** +TREASURES OF THE WORLD+ by robert charron ****************** +FAMOUS RENNES VISITORS+ >the rev. sauniere did not live in the +LUXURIOUS VILLA+ (one of several buildings) >that he built in rennes le chateau >HE HOUSED AN ARRAY OF VISITORS +THAT ADD LUSTRE TO THE MYSTERY+. >either to the finances or the world history of cathers, templars and >christian / rosicrucianism< (he was a rosicrucian) ********************* >ARCH-DUKE JOHAN VON HABSBURG (cousin of emperor franz joseph) >was one famous visitor that took out A SWISS BANK ACCOUNT THE SAME DAY THAT THE REV. SAUNIERE DID. ************************************ >ANDRE MALRAUX , FRENCH MINISTER of culture under charles degaulle was >visitor to this strange remote village. ************************************** >DEODAT ROCH, STEINER DESCIPLE (there are many secret others) ******************************* >GERMAN MINERS WERE IMPORTED (romans had gold mines) >at one point to explore the caves of +M O U N T S E G U R+ ********************* >AN OUTSTANDING MYSTERY IS why was the rev. sauniere seen (AT NIGHT) >altering/digging @ the tomb of the cather noble >MARQUISE HAUTEPOL de BLANCHEFORT >in 1153 the deblancheforts were the aristocratic original lords of the region.. the town nearby bears >THEIR ANCIENT NAME< *********************** >THE TEMPLAR HISTORY OF THE (verloin-degruy inlaws) >deMONTAUTdeMONTBERAUD (villages on map) >in this region must be +FACTORED IN+ ************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

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>for jim bourke, my 1994 student assistant who helped me set (ARCHITECTURE) >up my exhibition/lecture @ the steiner institute) ********************* +AN AMAZING PLACE+ ********************* >probably the most interesting LECTURE VENUE >of my life as a professor (synchronistically) >WAS HIGH UP IN THE SWISS ALPS AT THE RUDOLF STEINER +I N S T I T U T E+ **************** >not far from our magnificent castle of the +COUNTS de GRUYERE+ (see "castles of the world", >barnes & noble, pp184-89) ************************** +THE STEINER INSTITUTE IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE PLACE ++++++++++++++++ (archt., james bourke) >still talks about this amazing +E X P E R I E N C E+ >with its huge goetheanium building dominating the swiss alpine +MIES EN SCENE+ **************** >even frank lloyd wrights taliesin as magical a place as one could hope to lecture cannot match +THE STEINER EXPERIENCE+ (google : steiner institute) ************************* +GOLD INGOTS FOR deGAULLE+ >when i look over the evidence there is a large number of elements of THE PRIORY OF SION SECRETS >that can be traced to swiss locales ESPECIALLY AROUND GENEVA (near our gruyeres village) ************************** >DO NOT DISMISS PIERRE PLANTARD ENTIRELY AS A CHARLETON THERE (hiding greater secrets) >IS MUCH EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS A MASTER OF DISINFORMATION. WITH A REAL, HIDDEN AGENDA. (some believe grail/magdeline) ******************************* +HIS KNOWN PUBLIC ROLE+ >you recall pierre plantard's history (documented) of smuggling gold [email protected] geneva for degaulles +RETURN TO POWER+ (shades of jean baptiste degruy history with the lafitte bros.) ***************************** +"LE CHARIVARI", PARIS, 1973+ (this paris review was the 1st french publication to cover the secrets of +THE PRIORY OF SION+) ********************* >REVEALED THAT THE RUDOLF STEINER FOLLOWERS OWNED THE GOLD (habsburg purchaser ? >see end note< ) >VESSELS & PLATE THAT CAME FROM RENNES LE CHATEAU ! (and it was smuggled into +S W I T Z E R L A N D+ ********************* >it is known that rev. sauniere did have dealings with swiss banks (MILLIONS OF FRANKS) >while amassing his fortune but +THIS STEINER CONNECTION IS STILL ANOTHER MYSTERY. ***************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >one clue that the priory of sion many researchers seem to have missed ********************************** >IS THAT RUDOLF STEINER AND THE +PRIORY OF SION+ >SHARED A ROSICRUCIAN, GNOSTIC +CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY+ ************************* +HEALTHIER BUILDINGS+ >the invitation that was extended to me to lecture / exhibit my architecture was based on the resarch i had >made into biotronic energy.... ***************************** >AS AN INTRINSIC BUT OVERLOOKED FACTOR OF ALL CONSTRUCTED +ARCHITECTURAL VOLUME+ *************************** +ARCHITECTURE IS "ALIVE"+ >(the steiner goetheaneum foundation >building is a biomorphic structure (FREE FLOWING VOLUME) >an enlightened format for its time. *********************************** NOTE: my research, lecture & exhibition had nothing to do with the steiner / priory religous / philosophical +AGENDA AND OPERATION+. *************************** >MY WORK, COMPLETLY INDEPENDENT< i had lectured all over the world on +RADIANT ARCHITECTURE+ and have shared much of this +WITH YOU BEFORE.+ ******************* >please think of this oveview< >NOTES: THE HABSBURGS ARE KNOWN TO HAVE VISITED RENNES LE CHATEAU which is a very out of the way locus in the templar/cather hills of +L A N G U E D O C+ ****************** >NOT FAR FROM THE VILLAGES OF MONTAUT / MONTBERAUD ( south of toulouse ) ****************** >WHICH ADDS MUCH SPICE TO deGRUY FAMILY HISTORY. (elizabeth sabine montaut mont- beraud and the lautrec monfa (COUNTS OF TOULOUSE) >family of henri de toulouse lautrec the great painter.) ( JEANNE de ALBRET ) > DAUGHTER OF THE SISTER OF (marguerite of navarre) +FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1st ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com

For a long time, I have suspected that the Carmouche family had ties to the Lafitte brothers. The small town of St. Amant was once a former planation of the Dapit St. Amant family. What year is that? It is possible that Judge St. Daspit St. Amant was a close friend of Zenon Boutte and his first cousin, Francois Cezar Boutte, Junior. There were many men, who masquaraded as Jean Lafitte, and the reason was in the event that the Federal authoritires ever raidied oen of thier hideouts, the business would continue as well as the authorities would get so confused with so many people saying, he is Jean Laftitte, no, he is Jean Lafitte, and no one would truly know the physical idenity of Jean Lafitte. One thing, Judge Daspit St. Amanet was well paid by the Lafitte brothers for favors, wonder if that is where the money came from for the plantation and the high mode lifestyle, happy Thanksigiving, kitty> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:25:55 -0600> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: [DEGRUY] Ahoy ye Mateys> > OK.... nothing verified.... but there is a chance that those of us who > connect to the allied family Daspit de Saint Amand also connect to the > notorious pirate, Jean Lafitte.> > Where's a parrot when you need one?> > Just found a source saying that he Pierre Daspit de Saint-Amand [son of > Jean Pierre Daspit de Saint-Amand and Marianne Carmouche] was, in his > "public" life, a Judge over the Interior Parish of La Fourche, but in > his "private" life was Lafitte.> > Guess we should be paying closer attention to the movies of Johnny Depp....> > Thought you might like a little something to spice up your day.> > R> > PS signing off; gotta go catch a plane> The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/

Hi Eugene, I bought that book a year ago I really enjoyed reading about it. Sorry if I don't have information to give. But I do enjoy reading about the family. Thanks, Eugene Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >for jim bourke, my 1994 student assistant who helped me set (ARCHITECTURE) >up my exhibition/lecture @ the steiner institute) ********************* +AN AMAZING PLACE+ ********************* >probably the most interesting LECTURE VENUE >of my life as a professor (synchronistically) >WAS HIGH UP IN THE SWISS ALPS AT THE RUDOLF STEINER +I N S T I T U T E+ **************** >not far from our magnificent castle of the +COUNTS de GRUYERE+ (see "castles of the world", >barnes & noble, pp184-89) ************************** +THE STEINER INSTITUTE IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE PLACE ++++++++++++++++ (archt., james bourke) >still talks about this amazing +E X P E R I E N C E+ >with its huge goetheanium building dominating the swiss alpine +MIES EN SCENE+ **************** >even frank lloyd wrights taliesin as magical a place as one could hope to lecture cannot match +THE STEINER EXPERIENCE+ (google : steiner institute) ************************* +GOLD INGOTS FOR deGAULLE+ >when i look over the evidence there is a large number of elements of THE PRIORY OF SION SECRETS >that can be traced to swiss locales ESPECIALLY AROUND GENEVA (near our gruyeres village) ************************** >DO NOT DISMISS PIERRE PLANTARD ENTIRELY AS A CHARLETON THERE (hiding greater secrets) >IS MUCH EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS A MASTER OF DISINFORMATION. WITH A REAL, HIDDEN AGENDA. (some believe grail/magdeline) ******************************* +HIS KNOWN PUBLIC ROLE+ >you recall pierre plantard's history (documented) of smuggling gold [email protected] geneva for degaulles +RETURN TO POWER+ (shades of jean baptiste degruy history with the lafitte bros.) ***************************** +"LE CHARIVARI", PARIS, 1973+ (this paris review was the 1st french publication to cover the secrets of +THE PRIORY OF SION+) ********************* >REVEALED THAT THE RUDOLF STEINER FOLLOWERS OWNED THE GOLD (habsburg purchaser ? >see end note< ) >VESSELS & PLATE THAT CAME FROM RENNES LE CHATEAU ! (and it was smuggled into +S W I T Z E R L A N D+ ********************* >it is known that rev. sauniere did have dealings with swiss banks (MILLIONS OF FRANKS) >while amassing his fortune but +THIS STEINER CONNECTION IS STILL ANOTHER MYSTERY. ***************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >one clue that the priory of sion many researchers seem to have missed ********************************** >IS THAT RUDOLF STEINER AND THE +PRIORY OF SION+ >SHARED A ROSICRUCIAN, GNOSTIC +CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY+ ************************* +HEALTHIER BUILDINGS+ >the invitation that was extended to me to lecture / exhibit my architecture was based on the resarch i had >made into biotronic energy.... ***************************** >AS AN INTRINSIC BUT OVERLOOKED FACTOR OF ALL CONSTRUCTED +ARCHITECTURAL VOLUME+ *************************** +ARCHITECTURE IS "ALIVE"+ >(the steiner goetheaneum foundation >building is a biomorphic structure (FREE FLOWING VOLUME) >an enlightened format for its time. *********************************** NOTE: my research, lecture & exhibition had nothing to do with the steiner / priory religous / philosophical +AGENDA AND OPERATION+. *************************** >MY WORK, COMPLETLY INDEPENDENT< i had lectured all over the world on +RADIANT ARCHITECTURE+ and have shared much of this +WITH YOU BEFORE.+ ******************* >please think of this oveview< >NOTES: THE HABSBURGS ARE KNOWN TO HAVE VISITED RENNES LE CHATEAU which is a very out of the way locus in the templar/cather hills of +L A N G U E D O C+ ****************** >NOT FAR FROM THE VILLAGES OF MONTAUT / MONTBERAUD ( south of toulouse ) ****************** >WHICH ADDS MUCH SPICE TO deGRUY FAMILY HISTORY. (elizabeth sabine montaut mont- beraud and the lautrec monfa (COUNTS OF TOULOUSE) >family of henri de toulouse lautrec the great painter.) ( JEANNE de ALBRET ) > DAUGHTER OF THE SISTER OF (marguerite of navarre) +FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1st ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california (google) eugenerayart.com The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In today's (11/23/2008) New Orleans Times-Picayune, Page B-4, Column 3: Irene "Nannie" Cooper deGruy passed away peacefully at her home on Thursday, November 20, 2008. Beloved wife of the late Paul U. deGruy. Sister of Margaret Cooper Brandt and the late Louis Cooper Heier and John D. Cooper. Daughter of the late Elizabeth Hauptmann and John D. Cooper. Also survived by numerous nieces and nephews. Aged 94 years. A native of New Orleans, Louisiana, and a resident of Metairie, Louisiana, for the past 60 years. Mrs. deGruy was a parishioner of St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church. She and her husband were owners of deGruy's Jewelers on Metairie Road for many years. Relatives and friends of the family are invited to attend the Funeral Mass from Leitz-Eagan Funeral Home Chapel, 4747 Veterans Blvd., Metairie, LA on Monday, November 24, 2008, at 12:00 noon. Interment in Lake Lawn Park Mausoleum. Friends may visit from 10:00 a.m. until time of services. In lieu of flowers, Masses or donations to your favorite charity preferred. Online guest book available at legacy.com. Wally Schneidau