Saw your note re: the DeGruy mantle and am interested. We are in the process of restoring Hermitage Plantation (ca. 1812-14) in Ascension Parish and would be used there. Please send more information. My connection to the DeGruy family is as follows: Marie Louise Hyacinthe DeGruy married Antoine Boutte and 3 of their daughters married 3 Judice brothers in the St. Martinville area in the late 18th century. Thank you. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:45 PM, listadministratordegruyl < [email protected]> wrote: > David says that he has a [not too large] carved wooden mantel from a > Degruy house in the French Quarter on Dumaine. He has been storing it at > a church since Katrina, but they have told him that he has to take it > away before Dec 22 or 23 or they will throw it out. He doesn't have a > place to put it. He'd like a Degruy to get it. I know he'd like some > sort of monetary compensation for it, but, if he can't get that, he will > give it to a Degruy rather than have it put into the trash. > > So... if any one out there would like a piece of Degruy history, give > David a call. If you don't have his number contact me off list and I'll > give it to you. I'd get it myself, but getting it to St. Louis would be > a bit cost prohibitive! > > Please share this message with anyone who may not be on our Degruy list. > I know there are researchers out there who do not have computers. > > That's the message. > > Renée > The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing > family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be > assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Renee: Perhaps I have misunderstood, but if you're talking about buying a subscription, only those records dating from June of 2007 to the present are included. The historical records are available for online viewing free of charge. See the "Computer Corner" article in the December issue for more info. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "listadministratordegruyl" <[email protected]> To: "GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: [DEGRUY] Searching the Notarial Archives > Just got this from Winston De Ville. He's right. It really is pricey... > but I'm going to give it to myself for Christmas. May open up new > avenues for research... and I can do this from St. Louis. Yahoo! > R > > >> Relatively good news. I've been "out of the loop so long," that this >> is new news to me. Some of y'all might already know about >> >> >> www.Notarialarchives.org <http://www.Notarialarchives.org> >> >> What's not so good is their price-rate. > > The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing > family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot > be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Just got this from Winston De Ville. He's right. It really is pricey... but I'm going to give it to myself for Christmas. May open up new avenues for research... and I can do this from St. Louis. Yahoo! R > Relatively good news. I've been "out of the loop so long," that this > is new news to me. Some of y'all might already know about > > > www.Notarialarchives.org <http://www.Notarialarchives.org> > > What's not so good is their price-rate.

+ABOVE EVERYTHING+ (the 5 crusade involvement of the degruy chevalier made their templar/ shroud >history proufound<). ******************* (neighborhood templars) +IT IS INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT THE SHROUD OF LIREY/TURIN ( lirey near >magny fouchard ) +WAS DEEPLY INVOLVED IN >deGRUY/TEMPLAR HISTORY< *************************** >ROUGEMONT FAMILY TEMPLARS< ( google the above ) 1) data on the rougemont website is strong corroberation to data that *********************************** >INCLUDES MANY TEMPLAR GRAND MASTERS IN THE EARLY HISTORY (geoffrey de charney) >OF THE SHROUD OF LIREY/TURIN IN THE CHAMPAGNE REGION (hubert de villersexel) >CLOSE TO MAGNY FOUCHARD deGRUY CHATEAU LOCUS ************************** (note: the following data is a view of shroud history expressed by the rougemont family.) ************************** +PONS DE LA ROCHE+ (templar grandmaster) >it was pons de la roche son othon de la roche who brought the (IN 1208) >shroud of lirey/turin from +CONSTANTINOPLE+ ****************** +CRUSADER KNIGHTS/BROTHERS+ >became templar/shroud brothers< THE GREATEST FRENCH KNIGHT (devirgy husband) +GEOFFREY de CHARNEY+ >became the shroud custodian< ******************************* +SEIGNEURS DE RAY+ >(i was rather amazed to find that othon de la roche's wife was +GERTRUDE de RAY+ OF A TEMPLAR FAMILY >(my ray family came from >scotland/england) ****************** >S Y N C H R O N I CI T Y< >there is a rougemont castle ruin >NEAR ESSEX ENGLAND< >there is also a rougemont village +EAST OF OUR GRUYERE+ ************************* +HUBERT de VILLERSEXEL+ >count de la roche< >ROUGEMOUNT< *************** +TEMPLAR GRAND MASTER+ >married the grandaughter of the >de charney / devirgy family< **************************** >AND GAINED OWNERSHIP OT THE (precious 14 foot, linen) +SHROUD OF LIREY / TURIN+ (google for current info) ************************ (LA ROCHE/deCHARNEY) >this rougemont / la roche castle is ( CASTLE MONTFORT ) >located due south of the degruy (NEAR MONTBARD) >family enclave/ magny fouchard. ********************************* (fontenotte church) >THE ROUGEMONT TEMPLAR CHURCH IS ILLUSTRATED >(templars considered themselves warrior +M O N K S+ ************* (shroud of turin) >IT WAS THE VILLERSEXEL/CHARNEY/ VIRGY FAMILY WHO TRADED THE (greatest trade in history) +HOLY SHROUD TO THE SAVOY (degruy relatives) >DUKES FOR TWO CASTLES *************************** +O V E R V I E W+ >note: it is quite possible that the >DEGRUY(ERE) BROKERED THIS +A M A Z I N G + T R A D E+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

+JEAN de BOSSANCOURT+ >brought much royal prestige into the debossancourt & related ***************************** (french old regime nobility) >deGRUY, deVERLOING, le PERRY le ROY, de SAINT SIMON, de VILLENEUVE, DAGOBERT etc, etc +F A M I L I E S+ ************* when he married +GERTRUDE de PAMPELUNE+ >IN 1566< ******** +deGENOUILLY dePAMPELUNE+ >is a very old aristocratic french family WITH THEIR OWN GENOUILLY +C A S T L E+ >situated in the very center of +F R A N C E+ (there is a genouilly wine) ************************* +PAMPELUNE = PAMPLONA+ >this family is descended from the +KINGS OF PAMPLONA+ which became the +KINGS OF NAVARRE+ ********************* >which ties them to jeanne de albret +AND THE FRENCH KINGS+ +FRANCOIS I+ , (count de gruyere) >HENRI II & HENRI IV< >(also the montaut demonberaud) ********************************* +MARQUIS ETIENNE de PAMPLUNE+ +de GENOUILLY+ *************** >WAS THE CHIEF OF THE MOUNTED CHEVALIER FOR FRENCH KINGS >LOUIS 15th and 16th< ********************* +MARIE ANTOINETTE+ >he was also close to the french queen >AT TIMES HER CHIEF ECUYER< >there are letters extant relating to >THEIR FRIENDSHIP< ****************** +JACQUIET de PAMPLUNE+ 1771-1835 >was a leading lawyer and political (DIJON & COLMAR) >personage during the period following the revolution. ************************* >HE BECAME A FAMOUS JUDGE AND WAS AWARDED THE +LEGION OF HONOR+. ********************* >(less honorable was a french ADMIRAL PAMPELUNE >who invaded and took over >viet nam in the 19th C)<. ********************** +OVERVIEW+ >THE VERLOIN-deGRUY / le ROY / le PERRY / SAINT SIMON / & de PAMPELUNE etc ****************** >synergetic families posessed great strength at the ********************** +FRENCH COURT+ (louis 14th loved all this) ************************ >THE AURA OF THE VALENTINOIS, +L U X E M B O U R G+ (leading french general) >AND THE DAGOBERT ROYAL ESSENCE SPICING THE +G U M B O+ ************* gene ray, san diego, california

I have two brothers in the new Orleans area who may be able to help. Send me David's phone number. Charles M. de Gruy From: listadministratordegruyl Sent: Fri 12/12/2008 4:45 PM To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb; Bob Patout Subject: [DEGRUY] message from David David says that he has a [not too large] carved wooden mantel from a Degruy house in the French Quarter on Dumaine. He has been storing it at a church since Katrina, but they have told him that he has to take it away before Dec 22 or 23 or they will throw it out. He doesn't have a place to put it. He'd like a Degruy to get it. I know he'd like some sort of monetary compensation for it, but, if he can't get that, he will give it to a Degruy rather than have it put into the trash. So... if any one out there would like a piece of Degruy history, give David a call. If you don't have his number contact me off list and I'll give it to you. I'd get it myself, but getting it to St. Louis would be a bit cost prohibitive! Please share this message with anyone who may not be on our Degruy list. I know there are researchers out there who do not have computers. That's the message. Renée The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David says that he has a [not too large] carved wooden mantel from a Degruy house in the French Quarter on Dumaine. He has been storing it at a church since Katrina, but they have told him that he has to take it away before Dec 22 or 23 or they will throw it out. He doesn't have a place to put it. He'd like a Degruy to get it. I know he'd like some sort of monetary compensation for it, but, if he can't get that, he will give it to a Degruy rather than have it put into the trash. So... if any one out there would like a piece of Degruy history, give David a call. If you don't have his number contact me off list and I'll give it to you. I'd get it myself, but getting it to St. Louis would be a bit cost prohibitive! Please share this message with anyone who may not be on our Degruy list. I know there are researchers out there who do not have computers. That's the message. Renée

+PRESSIGNAC-VITRY+ >can be found on a good large scale map about 10km ene of bergerac which is due east of the +BORDEAUX VINYARDS+ >in the heart of the lascaux cave >ANCIENT CIVILIZATION< ************************ >note: this is south of angouleme THE BIRTHPLACE OF FRENCH +KING FRANCOIS 1ST+. >(blood brother of count >michael de gruyere) ******************** "P E R R Y" and "HOUSE OF PERRY" >should be googled to discover a lengthy, detailed & impressive +H E R I T A G E+ ************** +GOING BACK TO THE 15TH C+. >of landed gentry nobles complete +WITH A MAJESTIC COAT OF ARMS.+ *********************************** (white shield w/ black sash and 2 ferocious red lions) >(LOOKS VERY ENGLISH TO ME BUT THIS WAS PART OF ENGLAND SEVERAL CENTURIES BACK). *************************** +RAYMOND LE PERRY+ >SIEUR DE LA CHAUFFIE< lord of pressignac-visq >lord of mazieres of roch genouillac >MARQUIS de NIEUL >BARON MONTIMOREAU ************************* >is one example of this long series (LIKE MONTAUT MONBERAUD) +of aristocratic knights which lived >IN CASTLES IN THE RUGGED TERRAIN N. OF TOULOUSE *************************** >THIS IS KNIGHTS TEMPLAR / CATHAR (hilltowns like rennes le chateau) >COUNTRY & ONE MIGHT SURMISE (le perry/de verloing) >WAS THE SPIRIT THAT BROUGHT SIEUR PERRY TO CHAMPAGNE. ******************************* ( origins of the templars) ************************ +R O C H E C H O U A R T+ >it should be noted that one of the perrys married ann rochechouart OF THE FAMOUS ARISTOCRATIC +ROCHECHOUART FAMILY+ >in the 17th century<. ******************** +ISSAC LE PERRY+ >lord of roche genouillac married +RENEE VERDELIN+ daughter of +JACQUES VERDELIN+ chevalier +LORD OF ORLAC & SATHONGE+ ******************************* +LIEUTENANT COLONEL OF THE+ +NAVARRE REGIMENT+ ******************* (another degruy-monberaud connection in the land of oc.) ***************************** gene ray, san diego, california

HELLO RENE thanks for interesting material. ******************************** BUGATTI the great italo/french auto designer called his cars.... "DE-STANG" (pure bred) ********** >which might apply to our de BOSSANCOURT >A N C E S T O R< **************** ALL BEST gene -----Original Message----- From: listadministratordegruyl Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:25 PM To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb Subject: [DEGRUY] from Geneanet From Geneanet: http://collections.geneanet.org/livres/index_privilege.php Dictionnaire des familles fran�aises anciennes ou notables � la fin du XIXe si�cle - Tome 3 Gustave Chaix d'Est-Ange Baussancourt, mari� en 1566 � Gertrude de Pampelune, furent les auteurs de deux grandes branches dont les repr�sentants furent maintenus --------- From Renee: Not sure what is going on here. I had Gertrude [Bernarde] married to Jean I de Baussancourt.... This book calls him Gustave Chaix d'Est-Ange.... The marriage date is the same.... The productivity of our Degruy list depends upon generosity in sharing family research. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>note: in 1855 a holy shroud pilgrims badge was found in the seine river WITH THE deCHARNEY/deVIRGY +COAT OF ARMS ENGRAVED+ **************************** +SHROUD OF TURIN+ +SYNCHRONICITY+ **************** >after much searching i have located the village of lirey france south of troyes, in the champagne region ********************************** 10 KM. WEST OF >FOUCHERES< which i have pointed out is a distance of only 15km. wsw. of degruy chateau +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ ********************* +1358 shroud display+ >THIS IS AN EXTREMLY SIGNIFICANT FACT OF OUR HISTORY IN THAT (decharney/devirgy family) >LIREY WAS THE HOME OF OUR JEANNE deVIRGY ANCESTOR of the last count +MICHAEL deGRUYERE'S+ >M O T H E R< *************** (degruyere counts milieu) >THIS IS ANOTHER REGIONAL VALUE FOR VERLOIN deGRUY LOCATION IN THIS AUBE, CHAMPAGNE DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY W/ 1) the duke de luxembourg's chateau vendeuvre only 5km from magny (10 km. from virgy/lirey) >fouchard w/ its association to michael degruyer @ french court w/ king francois 1st. ************************** 2) the knights templar/cistercian locus of st bernard's clairvaux monestary is only 30 km. due east of lirey & 15km ese. of magny fouchard ****************************** 3) the proxemic to troyes, locus of the (20km w of magny fouchard) crusade/knights templar council of troyes official recognition. ***************************** 4) the road passing directly in front of magny fouchard (ew) is the direct route from gruyeres to the golden city, paris. ************************ 5) the trade fairs in this region were gigantic, bringing people/wealth /knowledge from all of europe. (the original crusade knights) ***************************** (look at a large scale map) >THE CHAMPAGNE WINE AND BEAUTY OF THE FOREST D'ORIENT W/ THE LARGE LAKES CERTAIN TO DRAW ("grue" mies en scene) >THE GREAT CRANE MIGRATIONS ADDED A SPECIAL >LUSTRE< **************************** +SHROUD OF LIREY+ eventially became the +SHROUD OF TURIN+ when the inlaws of the gruyere counts +THE HOUSE OF SAVOY IN 1464+ ******************************** (LOCUS OF EDUCATION & COURT LIFE FOR GRUYERE COUNTS) **************************** >traded 2 castles to the descendents of the decharney/devirgy family. FOR THIS MOST PRECIOUS +RELIC OF CHRISTENDOM+ ************************** >NOTE: THE VATICAN ONLY GAINED CONTROL OF THE HOLY SHROUD in 1983 when the last italian king died in exile in P O R T U G A L *************** >THE MOST REVEALING SCIENTIFIC VIEW... >"an apocalyptic flash of< +>RADIANT LIGHT"<+ **************** >THE POPE SHALL REVEAL IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR & ONE CAN EXPECT (early testing flawed) >MUCH MORE SCIENTIFIC +E V A L U A T I O N+ ******************* gene ray, san diego, california

From Dictionnaire des Famillies Françaises Anciennes ou Notables A La Fin du XIX siècle par C. d'E-A Tome Troisilème Bas-Ber Evreux Imprimerie de Charles Hérissey, 1904 BAUSSANCOURT (de). Armes : à'argent à un lion de sable armé, lam- passé et allumé du champ, la queue fourchée et passée en sautoir, chargé sur l'épaule sénestre d'une étoile d'or. La famille de BAUSSANCOURT ou de BEAUSSANCOURT, aujourd'hui éteinte dans les mâles, appartenait à la noblesse de Champagne. Elle a eu pour premiers auteurs connus Simon de Baussancourt, qui était en 1441 notaire à Langres, et son fds, autre Simon de Baussan- court, qui était en 1493 procureur à Troyes. La descendance de ces personnages ne tarda pas à s'agréger à la noblesse. Les preuves de noblesse faites en 1780 devant d'Hozier pour obtenir l'admission à Saint-Cyr d'une demoiselle de Baussancourt font remonter la filiation suivie à Oudart de Baussancourt, écuyer, demeurant à Troyes, qui épousa par contrat du 23 octobre 1509 Péronne du Mesnil, veuve de Louis Leroy, sieur du Petit-Mesnil, et héritière des seigneuries du Petit-Mesnil et de Chaumesnil. Cette dame était veuve en 1861. Deux de ses fils, Elisée de Laussancourt, sieur du Petit-Mesnil, de Chau- mesnil, féodal de Fresnoy, marié à Brienne en 1543 à Philberte de Pampelune, et Jean de Baussancourt, marié en ..566 à Gertrude de Pampelune, furent les auteurs de deux grandes branches dont les représentants furent maintenus dans leur noblesse le 21 décembre 1668 par jugement de M. de Caumartin, intendant de Champagne, après avoir prouvé leur filiation depuis 1514. La branche cadette s'éteignit vers l'époque de la Révolution. François de Baussancourt, Sgr du Petit-Mesnil et de Chaumesnil, chef de la branche aînée, marié le 13 septembre 1626 à Marie de Plesche, fut maintenu dans sa noblesse le 9 juin 1634 par sentence des élus de Bar-sur-Aube ; il fut père de Louis de Baussancourt, Sgr du Petit-Mesnil et de Chaumesnil, Sgr féodal de Fresnoy, marié le 29 avril 1639 à Charlotte d'Estagny, qui fut maintenu dans sa noblesse en 1668 par jugement de Caumartin. Deux descendantes de celui-ci, Marie de Baussancourt, née en 1713 dans le diocèse de Langres, et Marie-Julie de Baussancourt, née en 1772 au château de Baussancourt, dans le diocèse de Troyes, firent l'une en 1725, l'autre en 1780, leurs preuves de noblesse pour être admises à la maison royale de Saint- Cyr. Louis-Joseph de Baussancourt, né le 3 avril 1757, fut nommé en 1771 page de Mmo la comtesse de Provence. Louis-Joseph, baron de Baussancourt, capitaine aux chasseurs des Trois-Evêchés, et H.-Ch. de Baussancourt, chevalier, capitaine aux chasseurs de Bretagne, sieur de Jessaint, prirent part en 1789 aux assemblées de la noblesse tenues à Chaumont. Le premier d'entre eux fit plus tard, sous le premier Empire, partie du Conseil général de l'Aube. François de Baussancourt, né en 1742 à Andelot, fut nommé le 12 mai 1793 général de brigade des armées républicaines, mais lut suspendu comme noble dès le 13 juillet suivant. Le dernier représentant mâle de la famille de Baussancourt était connu sous le titre de comte ; de son mariage contracté vers 1830 avec M"0 Bernard de Sassenay il n'a laissé que deux filles dont la plus jeune est demeurée célibataire et dont l'aînée, Marie-Valentine, mariée en 1856 au baron Saladin est aujourd'hui (1904) propriétaire du château de Baussancourt, près de Jessaint, dans l'Aube. Principales alliances -, de Mesgrigny, Jacobé de Vienne 1756, de Perry, du Val de Dampierre, Bernard de Sassenay, Desvergers de Maupertuis, etc.

From Geneanet: http://collections.geneanet.org/livres/index_privilege.php Dictionnaire des familles françaises anciennes ou notables à la fin du XIXe siècle - Tome 3 Gustave Chaix d'Est-Ange Baussancourt, marié en 1566 à Gertrude de Pampelune, furent les auteurs de deux grandes branches dont les représentants furent maintenus --------- From Renee: Not sure what is going on here. I had Gertrude [Bernarde] married to Jean I de Baussancourt.... This book calls him Gustave Chaix d'Est-Ange.... The marriage date is the same....

I believe the French had one foot in the door of Switzerland, they served as Guards I read or someone told me/ I think the Knights recruited the French nobility to serve, read closely some of Ray's messages, [between the lines]. I wonder if he would know about the boundary lines between France and Switzerland in that time period. The D'aspit Saint Amant's were Knights of Templar I haven't looked at this in awhile I see some changes I wish he would show documents and sources were he found this information... http://www.fluckers.com/family/daspit FIRST DEGREE Lord de Saint-Omer b. c. 1080 d. c. 1150 m. ___ 1. Geoffrey 2. Odo (Eudo) (Eudes) LORD_____DE SAINT-OMER, 1080-1150 was the feudal lord of the Artois (Agincourt) region's fife of St. Omer. The suzeraine (superior feudal lord) was Count William Clito of Flanders. Lord de Saint-Omer had two sons, Godfrey (born 1100) and a younger son named ) Odo (Eudes). Godfrey and Hugh des Payen were the two founders of the "Templers" in 1119. Guillaume de St. Omer, son of Lord Huston de St. Omer’s son Odo de Saint-Amand (see below) became the 8th Grand Master of the Knights Templar. Some documents give the Lord de Saint Omer's name as Huston de Saint-Omer and a date of birth of about 1045, however 1080 seems the more likely date. Godfrey appears to have been born "Geoffrey" and changed his name to Godfrey - JPD 1997 ------- skip to 3rd degree THIRD DEGREE _____ de Saint-Amand b. c. 1150 d. 1225 m. _____ DE VERDON (daughter of Walter de Verdon  ) 1. Almaric The family resurfaces in England with _____ DE SAINT-AMAND (1160 - 1225). He was probably the son or possibly the nephew of Odo. He lived during the reign of Richard I, Coeur de Lion (1189-1199). We are not sure what his first name was, but two of his sons were Almaric I and Sir William de Saint-Amand "de Sauxio". He was the son-in-law of Walter de Verdon who was Sheriff of Essex and Herts from 1218 to 1220. He was succeeded by his son and heir Almaric I. skip to 11th degre ELEVENTH DEGREE Gerald de Braybrook, Lord de Saint-Amand b. 1389 d. 1422 1m. 1414 - PERNELLE DE GREY ? 1. Elizabeth 2. Maude m. John Babington 3. Alainore never married 2m. 1421 - Joan Raleigh (daughter of Thomas Raleigh and sister of William Raleigh) 1. Alainore GERALD DE BRAYBROOK, LORD (DE JURE) DE SAINT-AMAND of Bedford, England was born on December 24, 1389 and was grandson of the 4th Baron. When his aunt Idda died on December 15, 1416, he was left with full heirship. He proved his age on February 17, 1414 and his first wife was Pernelle de Grey who died in 1414. He married in 1421 to his second wife, Joan, daughter of Thomas Ralegh. Upon his death in 1422, the coheirs were three daughters by Pernelle, his first wife: Alainore (1408 - 1426), Elizabeth (1409 - 1491) and Maude (1411 - 1428); and one daughter by Joan his 2nd wife. This daughter was also named Alainore (1422 - 1428). ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&amp; icid=aolcom40vanity&amp;ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

>NOTE: WHILE WRITING THIS MY MIND WONDERS THE LOCATION OF LIREY, THE ORIGINAL >french village revealing +THE SHROUD OF TURIN+ ************************ (church of our jeanne devirgy) >IT IS SOMEWHERE NEAR TROYES the pope sent troyes bailiffs >TO INVESTIGATE< ***************** (a good map is a strong tool in reconstructing history.) ************************** >THE CISTERCIAN MONESTARY OF CLAIRVAUX *************** >IS LOCATED JUST 30 KM. S.E. OF VERLOIN deGRUY CHATEAU (also villenuve, le perry etc.) OF MAGNY FOUCHARD ************************ +SAINT BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX+ >clairvauv monestary was founded by st bernard on land donated by >HUGHES de PAYENS< +COUNT OF CHAMPAGNE+ ************************* >FOUNDER OF "THE POOR KNIGHTS OF THE ORDER OF THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON" (the knights templar) ******************** >SAINT BERNARD WROTE THE< +T E M P L A R S + R U L E+ ************************** (which was based on cistercian rule) ************************************ +COUNCIL OF TROYES, 1128+ >was the conclave that officially recognised & honored the +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ******************** >THE VERLOIN deGRUY MUST HAVE BEEN ALLY TO SAINT BERNARD'S SUCCESSFUL EFFORT TO HAVE +TEMPLAR ACCEPTANCE+ *********************** >100 knights from gruyere had been in the 1st crusade with +THEIR PRINCE/COUNT+ ********************** >ONE OF THE ORIGINAL 9 KNIGHTS (andre de montbard) >TEMPLAR ON THE CRUSADE WAS (gruyere compatriot) >SAINT BERNARD;S UNCLE. *************************** >it is very important to note< +THAT THE PRIORY OF SION WAS SYNERGETIC AND ALLIED W/ (until 1188 schism) +THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR.+ ************************* >some claim priory of sion the power behind the +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ********************* +let us not forget also that+ +JEAN BAPTISTE+ (as in antoine jean baptiste) *************************** >WAS THE PASSION OF THE (leonardo, francois 1st) +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ along with +MARY MAGDELINE+ >(shades of the last templar/cathar stronghold at rennes le chateau) +THE MYSTERY OF THE+ +REV. SAUNIERE+ **************** gene ray, san diego, california

+IMPORTANT DISCOVERY+ ************************** >GRUYERE-VERLOIN deGRUY TIE >via deGUISE/FRANCOIS 1st<. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >aristocratic french connections in the champagne region that connect the counts de gruyere with several of the families associated with the +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ ***************************** >a very aristocratic gumbo< +GUISE/GRUYERE/LUXEMBOURG+ +SAVOY/MONACO/VALENTINOIS+ ********************************* >it was yesterday while researching +THE DUKE de LUXEMBOURG+ PRINCE de TINGRY/PINEY MARSHAL OF FRANCE >neighbor & commander of our +CLAUDE de LE PERRY+ >CAPTAIN de PINEY< ******************* >that i discovered that the wife of THE DUKE OF LUXEMBOURG (madeline de luxembourg) was the daughter of +CLAUDE de LORRAINE+ >1ST DUKE de GUISE< ******************** +THE 3RD MAN+ >this is an important discovery in that +CLAUDE de LORRAINE/GUISE+ ******************************* >WAS EDUCATED @ THE FRENCH COURT ALONG WITH MICHAEL deGRUYERE & (last prince/count degruyere) >THE FUTURE KING OF FRANCE +FRANCOIS (angouleme) 1st+ **************************** +BIRDS OF A FEATHER+ >in fact francois 1st had such a high regard for the military ability of claude de lorraine that he made him 1st duke de guise after the >BATTLE OF MARIGNANO< ************************** >IN WHICH MICHAEL de GRUYERE ALSO DISTINGUISHED HIMSELF ******************************** >ARISTOCRATIC BONDING< >this history certainly created a strong bond of the house of gruyere with the house of guise and the +FRENCH ROYAL FAMILY+ ************************ +CHATEAU de CONDE+ ( google search) >CONDE-EN-BRIE , FRANCE< >is located n.w, of magny fouchard in the champagne region & was the chateau of the duke de lorraine +WHERE CLAUDE deGUISE WAS+ >B O R N IN 1 4 9 6< ********************* >chateau of much regal history< >THIS CHATEAU POSESSES AN AMAZING HISTORY FOR US THAT INCLUDES THE DUKES deLORRAINE & MARIE de LUXEMBOURG WHO MARRIED +FRANCOIS de BOURBON+ ************************** >their grandson was louis de bourbon uncle to french king henri 1st who +MARRIED CATHERINE deMEDICI+ ********************************* >MARIE de BOURBON-CONDE MARRIED THOMAS PRINCE OF SAVOY IN 1624 ( another tie back to the gruyere ) ********************************* +ITALIAN ROYAL FAMILY+ >remember the house of savoy became >eventially the italian royal family. +CHATEAU de CONDE OWNERS+ (at least while house of savoy) ****************************** +VALENTINOIS HERITAGE+ (vital to our degruy history) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the dukes de savoy ownership led to louise de hippolite de monaco +PRINCESS de MONACO+ (grimaldi ancestor) 1697-1731 +DUCHESS deVALENTINOIS+ *************************** >here we see the savoy connection to the principality of monaco from the chateau de conde in lorraine. ****************************** >MANY ARISTOCRATIC FAMILIES are found in the monaco tree. +FROM PRINCESS LOUISE+ ***************************** +GRIMALDI / CHARNEY / GRAMONT+ (remember gruyere-charney tie) +LORRAINE / BAUX / ARMAGNAC+ ( guiche @ biloxi colony) GUICHE / ROCHEFORT / FAYA ******************************* +de S A D E+ >yes, from 1814 until 1983 the family of the infamous marquis de sade owned +CHATEAU de CONDE+ ********************* >(IF BUILDINGS COULD TALK)< **************************** >OVERVIEW< >now we have a much expanded view OF VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY noble associations in france. >ESPECIALLY IN LORRAINE< >AND SAVOY REGIONS<. *********************** gene ray, san diego, california

+"DELUXE" TAKES ON A+ (17th century) +NEW UNDERSTANDING+ ************************* (good neighbor policy) ********************** +THE COMPREHENSION OF+ *************************** +VERLOIN deGRUY- LE PERRY+ >strength of position with french king louis 14th at the palace of versailles is enlightened by the synergy of ********************************* +THE FAMILIES RESIDING @ CHATEAU MAGNY FOUCHARD AND CHATEAU (next door neighbor) +VENDEUVRE-SUR-BARSE+ ************************** >chateau vendeuvre sur barse was the champagne country home of ********************************** +FRANCOIS HENRI deMONTMORENCY BOUTEVILLE, PRINCE deLUXE/FRANCE +++++++++++++++++++++++++ +DUKE de LUXEMBOURG +MARSHAL OF FRANCE +PEER OF FRANCE +DUKE de PINEY, DUKE de TINGRY and the greatest +GENERAL OF FRANCE+ (17th century) >he was the sun kings leading general in the french victory over holland *********************************** +GOOGLE HIS RADIANT HISTORY+ >duchy of luxembourg was imp. military barrier against the >northern barbarians< ********************** +PLUS HIS WIFE WAS MADELINE de LUXEMBOURG, PRINCES de >TINGRY / PINEY< +CLAUDE deGUISE' DAUGHTER+ duke of lorraine family >(REGIONAL RULING DUKES) **************************** +VENDEUVRE TODAY+ (i posess a photograph of their >IT HAS SURVIVED< +impressive country chateau >near magny fouchard) *********************** +CLAUDE LE PERRY+ +CAPTAIN OF THE DUCHY OF PINEY+ +AND LUXEMBOURG+ +LORD OF MAGNY FOUCHARD+ +LORD OF LA CHAUFEE+ >was not only the next door neighbor but a leading officer in the french army under the duke "de luxe". ******************************* +LOOK @ YOUR CHAMPAGNE MAP+ NOTE: the chateaux of magny fouchard vendeuvre, and villeneuve are on the (CLOSE PROXEMIC CHATEAUX) >south side of the forest of the orient +PINEY, BOUY-LUXEMBURG &, YES >VALENTINE< ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FOREST-"ORIENT" ******************************* +ANCIENT NOBLE OVERVIEW+ 1) to understand the strength of the verloin-degruy-le perry-& le roy TRIUMVIRATE @ VERSAILLES >one should study the structure of PEERS, PRINCES & MARSHAL'S +of france on the internet+ ************************** +lorraine/champagne chevalier+ >THE GRUYERE, DAGOBERT, ST. SIMON, +VALENTIN / VERLOIN+ >BOSSANCOURT,VILLENEUVE AND LE COMTE ALSO ADDED MUCH >LUSTRE TO THE SYNERGY< ************************** +ALBRET/SAVOY/GUISE/VERGY+ ( not to speak of the many other >nobility connections i have been +ANJOUELEME, GRIMALDI >CHARNEY,BRESSE, etc >fortunate to have discovered) ****************************** +FRENCH KING LOUIS 14TH+ >in the 17th century, at the beginning of his reign was shrewd to assess his political/military strength by +MAKING A LIST OF HIS NOBLES+ +the valentin verloin degruy (page du roi, versailles) >FARED VERY WELL INDEED<. **************************** gene ray, san diego, california

+NOBLE ROT+ >the fact that one can pay FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS for a bottle of +"CHATEAU d'YQUEM"+ ******************** GOLDEN BORDEAUX SAUTERNE >is because of a natural fungus known as "noble rot" and because the grapes >ARE PICKED ONE AT A TIME< (only 1 bottle per vine production) ********************************** this is like cutting your grass with >A PAIR OF NAIL TRIM SCISSORS< ********************************* +CHATEAU de MALLE+ >another sauterne vinyard near the precious d'yquem is that of the ancestors of the great director +LOUIS MALLE+ >you will know him as the director of a new orleans based film "PRETTY BABY" >about the photographer belloq< >DO NOT MISS MALLE'S GREAT (set in a french chateau) >LYRICAL FRENCH FILM "THE LOVERS" ************ +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ ************************* +ALBRET / LAMOTHE+ >i have just discovered that the vinyard of one of the 4 top bordeaux wines +CHATEAUX MARGAUX+ ********************** >WAS ORIGINALLY OF THE ALBRET FAMILY MERGING WITH THE LAMOTHE FAMILY IN THE 12TH CENTURY **************** >this of course makes a synchronistic tie between the montberaud and lamothe families with the albret. ++++++++++++++++++++ +KINGS OF NAVARRE AND+ (french king louis 4th) +OF FRANCE+ note: if you make a bordeaux safari by all means stay in the chateau ********************************* +RELAIS DE MARGAUX+ formerly the chateau of the +ALBRET/LAMOTHE/MARGAUX+ >primier estate vinyards< ************************ +CHATEAU de ROQUETAILLADE+ (chateauroquetaillade.free.fr) (MAZERES/BORDEAUX) ************************ >this most amazing castle built by (in the 12th century) +CARDINAL GAILLARD de LAMOTHE+ (nephew of pope clement 5th) ++++++++++++++++++ +IS STILL OWNED BY THE+ +LAMOTHE FAMILY+ ******************* +VIOLLET-LE-DUC RESTORATION+ a magnificent cut-away perspective of this restored castle is on p. 86-7 of the guidebook +DORDOGNE @ S. W. FRANCE+ (eyewitness travel guide) ************************ (VIOLLET-LE-DUC WAS THE FATHER OF NEO-GOTHIC) >the castles reek with< +ATMOSPHERE+ ************** >ANTICIPATING ART NOUVEAU< ( antonio gaudi at barcelona ) ****************************** >ROMANTIC GOTHIC VISION< (shades of byron, shelly, mary shelly & dr. polidori on our lake geneva +NEAR CHATEAU GRUYERES+ (chateau chillon nearby) *********************** >creating/inventing< +FRANKENSTEIN/DRACULA+ >the gothic thriller< ***************** gene ray, san diego, california

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Degruy researchers, In the long list of family names I've sent, I see that all the accent marks have been substituted with ? Sorry about that. No accent marks is one of the Rootsweb limitations [like no attachments, no styles (boldface, italics, etc).] If you need to know the word complete with accent marks, contact me off list. For Charles, I have added Elaine and Greg. Let me know if they have any trouble accessing and I'll try to help. R > Renee, Please add two de Gruy descendants to our de Gruy list. They are Elaine Poche', daughter of Aida de Gruy Yochim; and Elaine's son Greg Holmes. Both are interested in our genealogy and can both benefit from and contribute to our de Gruy genealogy efforts. I have included both e-mail addresses on the cc line. > Thank you! > Best regards, > Charles M. de Gruy > >

+plants were our medium+ > CHATEAUX OUR REWARD< ************************** "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS" >is a must read for all degruy heirs +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ >of a life devoted to the growing +OF PRECIOUS PLANTS+ ********************** +O V E R V I E W+ >from the old european vinyards our ancestors brought a long tradition OF PLANTATION LANDED GENTRY LIFE CARRIED IN THE BLOOD. ***************************** >at lsu, tulane and sdsu a favorite >ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL< >project to give my students was to design a modern day +SUGAR PLANTATION+ ********************** >(bob patou,veteran degruy family researcher still owns a sugar >plantation at new iberia) ************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >yesterday i photocopied the enlarged bordeaux region vinyard plantation map attached to my french book +BORDEAUX ET SES VINS+ >immediately afterwards i walked two blocks to our library where waiting ( SALES ROOM ) for me for two dollars was +"THE WORLD ATLAS OF WINE"+ by hugh johnson >WHICH HAS EVEN LARGER SCALE ( vintage 1970 ) >MAPS OF THE SAME REGION. ***************************** +VINYARD PLANTATION NOTES+ 1) i find the town of lalande with its vin- yards on the 1920 french map and also on the 1970 johnson map +THE TOWN OF CADILLAC ADJOINS+ (garonne r., n.e. of bordeaux) >ROOTS OF LAMOTHE CADILLAC<. (marianne and i drove through both of these towns last year >SYNCHRONICITY< >lamothe cadillac founded detroit, her birthplace) ********************** 2) as i wrote yesterday there were 10 lalande vinyards in 1920 and i have located on the 1970 map... +CHATEAU PICHON LONGEVILLE+ +COMTESS de LA LANDE+ >of the highly prized, $179 a bottle "PREMIER CRU VIN" ******************* (note: a photo of the chateau is available on the internet) **************************** +"MOUTON CADET" IS AN+ +EXELLENT AFFORDABLE WINE+ 3) >on a map of the pauillac region located north of bordeaux. >THE FAMOUS VINYARD / MUSEUM< ( highly recommended ) OF BARON PHILIPPE deROTHSCHILD is located just n. of pauillac village >CHATEAU MOUTON ROTHSCHILD< +BARON PHILLIPE+ ****************** 4) + CHATEAU LAMOTHE+ (cavaroc/degruy connection) >one of two listed in 1920, (the other is now a chateau hotel situated in the wooded countryside east of bordeaux where we stayed in +2 0 0 7+ THE WORKING VINYARD IS IN THE SAUTERNE REGION E. OF THE CITY (be forewarned) >sauterne is a sweet wine with the >worlds most expensive label< ***************************** +CHATEAU D' YQUEM+ ********************** >chateau d' yquem is almost a lost +MYTHOLOGICAL PLACE+ ************************ >A TRANSCENDENT CHATEAU< >several years ago i sought it out to photograph in it present form as i was fascinated by the 1920 en- (GREATLY ENLARGED) >graving in my french wine book ******************************** >DONT ASK THE COST OF A BOTTLE OF THE GOLDEN CHATEAU D' +Y Q U E M+ ************ 5) +THE CHEVALIER VISCOUNT+ (n.o. creole prototype) >during this pilgrimage we stayed at a charming chateau hotel south of bordeaux owned by a viscount (a lloyd ray persona) >who served us breakfast in his elegent dining room ************************* >DRESSED IN AN EXPENSIVE HARRIS TWEED JACKET THAT HE WORE WHILE TRIMMING HEDGES. (complete w/ tie, (after all this region was owned >earlier by england)< ******************* >LIKE THE RAY/deGRUY HOUSEHOLD BORDEAUX IS EQUAL PARTS OF (colonial gumbo) >ENGLAND AND FRANCE (with a tad of italy or $>MOORS< >spain for spice) *************** $+TROPICAL AFRICA FOR A+ +REALLY RICH MIX+ ****************** gene ray, san diego, california