Found this on Google Books. You can access for yourself @ http://books.google.com/books?dq=%22de+gruy%22&jtp=309&id=UT0LAAAAYAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text <http://books.google.com/books?dq=%22de+gruy%22&jtp=309&id=UT0LAAAAYAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text> By the way.... the mistakes in the "spelling" are really due to going from HTML to plain text; if you need to see the correct version, go to the above link and look at the actual page. Happy New Year! Renée («6 La. Add. 1412) Succession of CAUVIEN. (No. 11,513.)' (Supreme Court of Louisiana. Nov. 26, 1894.) Costs« Op Will --- Sufficibstct or Evidknob--- Presumption. 1. The charge that a subscribing witness to a will did not hear the dictation of the testatrix is disposed of by the statement that he could hardly hear her talking because she was ÚÂ"Û sick. 2. The charge that a subscribing witness could not understand or speak the French language is disposed of by proof that the testament was dictated and wholly written in the English language. 3. The purposes of the law are subserved by proof that the language employed by the testatrix was fully understood by the notary, and faithfully expressed in the testament as written by the notary. 4. To meet the requirement of the law, the proof administered on a charge that a certain phrase of the testament was not in point of fact dictated by the testatrix must be sufficient to overcome the sanctity that attaches to a quasi official record, and the legal presumption that is thereon raised in favor of the truthfulness of its recitals, and the just performance of nn official act by a public officer. (Syllabus by the Court.) Appeal from district court, parish of Jefferson; Emile Rost, Judge. Succession of Mrs. E. L. Cauvlen, widow of Antoine O. De Gruy, to annul the will of Mrs. De Gruy. From a Judgment sustaining the will, plaintiff appeals. Affirmed. Thomas S. Ellis, for appellant J. Numa Augustin and Charles P. Drolla, for appellee. WATKINS, J. This suit has for object the annulment of the will of the decedent, Mrs. De Gruy, upon the following grounds, to wit: (1) That one of the witnesses to the testament, Mr. Wllbrng Huguet, did not hear the dictation of the testatrix, because of the Indistinctness of her articulation when speaking to the notary. (2) That another of the witnesses, James Rostrup, was totally Ignorant of the French language, In which the testatrix partially dictated same. (3) That as the testatrix partially dictated the testament In the French language, which the notary did not understand, the services of an Interpreter were called Into requisition. (4) That the clause In the body of the will dispensing the executor from giving bond was not dictated by the testatrix to the notary in the presence of the witnesses. (5) That the Instrument was not voluntarily dictated by the testatrix, but Its provisions were suggested to her, she merely acquiescing therein by monosyllables. The answer of the defendants---the forced heirs, legatees, and testamentary executor having been made parties---was a general and special denial; and, after hearing and considering the testimony of a number of witnesses, and, among them, that of the notary and the three attesting witnesses, the district judge reached the conclusion that plaintiff's case was not made out, and rejected her demands, and maintained the will, as legal and valid. We have read the briefs with care, and attentively examined all the evidence; and both briefs and evidence have Impressed our minds with the correctness of the conclusions of the judge a quo. This Is the case of an old lady making a will In the nuncupative form by public act while In extremis,---lying on her deathbed, and manifestly suffering great pain, though perfectly rational and conscious of her acts. The first two grounds may be disposed of with the simple statement that the subscribing witness Huguet, as a witness In this case, safd that he "could hardly hear her talking because she was very sick"; and, although the subscribing witness Rostrup could not speak a word of French, the will purported to have been dictated In English, and Is wholly written in that language. Each of these subscribing witnesses signed the testament, and, on the stand as witnesses, do not disavow their signatures. These facts thoroughly dispose of these two grounds of complaint. With regard to the third ground, there Is quite a contrariety of statement, the preponderance of which, however, favors the defendants' theory; the substance of the testimony being that the testatrix dictated her wishes In broken English, which was understood by the notary and subscribing witnesses, and was by the notary correctly expressed in the testament Five of the witnesses testifying in this case unite in making the statement that the testatrix dictated her will In broken English, but did It understand!ngly and Intelligibly. The notary testifies that the entire dictation of the testatrix was in English, but that he had occasion to make a pause now and then, and repeat to her some of the words, and Inquire what she meant; and to his questions she would reply, "Yes, that Is correct" He states emphatically that he took the dictation of the testatrix only; and, after writing each paragraph, he read It over to her, In order to make sure that he was right. The notary could neither speak nor write the French language, and the testament Is In the record,---brought up In the original,---and Is wholly written In the English language. There Is not one of the witnesses who states that the testatrix could not speak the English language, except the plaintiff; and In this she Is contradicted by her sister, Mrs. Henry A. Harvey. On this subject the record says: "Q. Mrs. Harvey, you are a daughter of Mrs. De Gruy? A. Yes, sir. Q. You were present at the time of the taking of her will by William J. Mc- Cune, the notary? A. Yes, sir; I was. Q. Did your mother speak English or French? A. English. Q. How did she speak English? A. Broken English. Q. Sufficiently well to be understood? A. Everybody always understood her." Again: "Q. And Mr. McCune repeated It to your mother? A. Yes, sir. Q. Your mother spoke broken English? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did she speak It frequently? A. All of the time. We always had ladies that came to the house that spoke English." The plaintiff, as a witness, Is contradicted by her brother, Horace De Gruy. On this subject the record says: "Q. Mr. De Gruy, are you a son of Mrs. Onezlme De Gruy, that lately died? A. Yes, sir. Q. How many languages could your mother speak? A. She could speak French and broken English. Q. Did she speak broken English In such a way that you could understand what she was saying? A. She could speak good enough for anybody to understand her." These positive statements are confirmed by several witnesses who had been Intimately acquainted with the testatrix many years. The judge a quo, In our opinion, satisfactorily disposes of the fifth complaint of the plaintiff, to the effect "that the testament was not voluntarily dictated by the testatrix, but Its provisions were suggested to her, she merely acquiescing In monosyllables." On this subject his judgment declares: "That if, as alleged In the petition, the will was not written down by the notary In the very words dictated to him by the testatrix, the evidence goes to show that the plaintiff herself was the only party who offered to explain to the notary what was said to him by the testatrix; [but] that the notary did put down all of her Intentions, as expressed by her, with a due regard to Identity of thoughts, and not of words. Hamilton v. Hamilton, 6 Mart. (N. 8.) 146; Starrs v. Mason, 32 La, Ann. 11." The foregoing expressions embody our views fully. With reference to the phrase In the will appointing an executor, and dispensing him from bond, the charge that It was not dictated by the testatrix Is not supported by the evidence; and It does not overcome the sanctity that attaches to a quasi official record, and the legal pre sumption that Is thereon raised In favor of the truthfulness of Its recitals, and the Just performance of an official act by a public officer. Judgment affirmed.

+MEROVINGIAN BLOOD+ >the marriage of marguerite dagobert and guillaume de verloing in 1507 >BROUGHT THE TREASURED BLOOD OF THE MEROVINGIAN KINGS TO (villeneuve,verloing/aulnay/ richebourg/pamplune/ bossancourt/bertin) +AMALGAMATED NOBLE+ +LORDS OF MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >which careful research might reveal >HAD ALREADY POSESSED THE< +PRECIOUS BLOODLINE+ >most, if not all of the above families very likely posessed merovingian +BLOODLINE HERITAGE+ +FRANCS & MEROVINGIANS+ >ruled france between 400 and 737< +(charlemagne was born in 742)+ +KINGS DAGOBERT+ >i have previously written about the association of the dagobert kings >WITH RENNES LE CHATEAU AND< (holy blood and relics) +THE HOLY GRAIL MYSTERIES+. >note: there is a plethora of literature available on this subject. i am not an expert on this BUT as one can see +OUR HISTORY IS VERY INVOLVED+ >THE HOUSES OF BRIENNE, SAVOY AND GRUYERE ALL POSESSED +MEROVINGIAN BLOOD+ +SHROUD MAFIA+ >ann de lusignan, of the house of the previously discussed anjou, brought AN INFUSION OF MEROVINGIAN BLOOD INTO THE SAVOY/GRUY HOUSES WHEN SHE MARRIED LOUIS, DUKE OF SAVOY SAVOY/GRUYERE/BRIENNE >joinvilles, charneys, de la roche, d'anjou courtenays, montferrat and important for us >deVIRGYS ALL POSESSED< +MEROVINGIAN BLOOD+. >which when edmond de gruy married INTO THE MAGNY FOUCHARD HOUSE (beginning w/the villeneuve) +WHICH BECAME VERLOIN deGRUY+ >isabeau de bossancourt, early 16 C<. >HIS MEROVINGIAN BLOODLINE HAD +TO BE AN IMPORTANT ASSET+. >the de bossancourt themselves WERE MEROVINGIAN BLOOD DESCENDED FROM THE HOUSE OF THE >+GENEVOIS+< +WHICH I HAVE JUST DISCOVERED+ >ARE RELATED TO THE SAVOY< >AND THUS THE GRUYERE< >IN THE 13th CENTURY< ! >to be continued.... we are off to laguna beach for a couple days. gene ray, san diego, california

*DeGruy Website Index* <http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll?c=c&htx=v&siteid=0035ef24-0004-0000-0000-000000000000&contentid=ZZZZZXKK&contentclass=FILE> posted 12/28/2008 by /Celine Johnson/ FABULOUS! CELINE! Many Kudos! What a wonderful resource to have at our fingertips! Hope you aren't too exhausted from doing this for us. Renee

+THE PRESERVATION & EXHIBITION+ +OF THE HOLY SHROUD STUDY+ +RELATED BOOKS+ (serious, fanatic, complex) >IN FRANCE & ENGLAND IS A >PROFUSE, INDUSTRY< +OUR BENEFIT FROM THIS+ >i have reported to you the research of picknett & prince >containing much family references relating >TO THE deCHARNEY- deVIRGY ANCESTORS OF THE COUNT MICHAEL deGRUYER'S +M O T H E R+ ( count michael would ultimately die in the devirgy castle ) >OBVIOUSLY THIS FAMILY HISTORY COUPLED WITH THAT OF THE +VERLOIN deGRUY+ >family network around the chateau M A G N Y F O U C H A R D >would cause a fascinating drama< +ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SAVOY+ degruyere family relatives >BECAME THE MAJOR OWNERS< +SHROUD OF TURIN+ (until the pope) +deCHARNEY / deVIRGY FACTS+ (w/ verloin degruy network) +PROVIDING US INSIGHT+ 1) geoffrey decharny & his wife jeanne devirgy both had grandfathers who (powerful seneschals) +WERE MARSHALS OF FRANCE+ (similar to sheriffs) +FOR CHAMPAGNE & BURGUNDY+ (note: the templar inquisition in those regions was lesser) >deCHARNEY/s GRANDFATHER WAS JEAN de JOINVILLE, POWERFUL (neighbors and allies) >NOBLES LIKE THE COUNT +de BRIENNE+ (king of jerusalem, who (MAGNY FOUCHARD NEIGHBOR) >was a key shroud persona) (PAMPLUME/deAULNAY/ >VERLOIN RELATED) +O V E R V I E W+ >we must take in considration that< >the regal merovingian blood of< +MARGUERITE DAGOBERT+ married in 1507 to +GUILLAUME de VERLOING+ (magny fouchard) +MADE THE VERLOIN deGRUY+ +FURTHER CONNECTED TO THE+ (apocalyptic) >HOLY SHROUD/HOLY GRAIL< >PRESERVATION DRAMA< >all of this taking place wihin a close magny fouchard locus >( BUSY HORSES )< >WAS IT A VAST PLOT, OR WAS IT THE MOST INCREDABLE STORY (especially for us) +OF SACRED PRESERVATION+ +THE YEAR 2009+ >most likely shall provide some +IMPORTANT ANSWERS+ >note: i can't help but wonder what king francois 1st and michael de gruyere were doing in their >LONG VISIT TO CHAMPAGNE & LORRAINE IN 1533 ? gene ray, san diego, california

Sorry if that Spam message got through. Our Degruy list is being flooded with Spam. I've contacted Rootsweb, but I'm not sure they have control. I deleted this one, according to their instructions, but it still appeared. So, apologies... but I really don't have control over any of it. Just delete Spam messages that appear on our Degruy List. For those who receive List Digests, there really isn't any way to delete without deleting all the other messages. But you may still want to delete because if you hit "reply," the Spammer might get your email address. If you want the other messages, you can always go to the List Archives. Renee

+THE ROOTSWEB, deGRUY+ >before the verloin degruy became lords of the chateau at >MAGNY FOUCHARD< >there were several families of FRENCH NOBILITY >who were important to the +CHATEAU HISTORY+ 1) VILLENEUVE 2) de AULNAY 3) RICHEBOURG 4) PAMPLUNE 5) BERTIN >i have written about the distinguished villeneuve, de aulnay & pamplune families but attention to the +de RICHEBOURG & de AULNAY +on the internet is very rewarding+. deAULNAY = DELAUNAY >robert delaunay the creator of +ORPHISM+ >paris in the 1920s< (TERM BY APPOLINAIRE) >a visionary form of modern painting (ABSTRACT ART PROGENITOR) >fueled by energy, color, light thus (SYNCHRONICITY) >akin to my work 50 years later. (GENETIC MEMORY) see the times picayune, dixie roto, (JAZZ WORKSHOP) sunday, june 29th., 1969 >NOTE: I WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE OF DELAUNAY'S WORK AT THAT TIME. >the irony of this is that delaunay saw his work akin to music and +SYMBIOSIS+ (i designed the jazz workshop +to synthesize w/ the music+). +MATHELIN deAULNAY+ +WAS A DISTINGUISHED ANCESTOR+ >he is 14 generations ahead of us but i found on the internet that >REMEMBER : "PEDIGREE PIERRE de GRUYERE" (the website) +(MY CHRISTMAS GIFT) >PLEASE TELL DAVID< >prince charles of england is 20 generations descended from +COUNT PIERRE deGRUYERE+ (fun new year small talk) +NOTE: THAT PEDIGREE PIERRE de ( informative official links ) >GRUYERE SITE IS RICH W/ INFO. ! (profuse french noble history) +deAULNAY CASTLE IS IN+ +AULNAY SOUS BOIS, FRANCE+ >robert delaunay was not given (IN HIS LIFETIME, AS SAY, >PABLO PICASSO) >enough attention because of +HIS NOBLE ORIGINS+ (revese prejudice) +LORD deAULNAY / RHEGES+ >deaulnay castle is now an elegent +hotel found on the internet+ +deAULNAY/RICHEBOURG+ of magny fouchard >we know that mathelin de aulnay ( MORAMBERT NOBLES ) >married antoinette de richebourg) (in the 16th century) +ANTOINE LOUIS de RICHEBOURG de SAINT JUST 1767-1794 >was an 18th century descendent of the de richebourg who achieved ( REVOLUTIONARY ) >fame in france as a lawyer and writer of philosophical texts. +THE deRICHEBOURG BLAZON+ >features the red knights templar +cross in the upper quadrant+ +"THE HISTORY OF LOUISIANA"+ by le page du pratz mentions a MR de RICHEBOURG >WHO WAS ASSOCIATED WITH +BIENVILLE+ >IN THE FOUNDING DAYS OF OF THE FRENCH COLONY AT NEW ORLEANS >de richebourg, one presumes, was a tie with the perrys for antoine jean baptiste valentin verloin degruy back to his family +AT VERSAILLES AND+ +MAGNY FOUCHARD.+ gene ray, san diego, california

+APOCALYPTIC CHRISTMAS+ +DISCOVERY, 2008+ >over the past weeks and months i have been sharing increasing >EVIDENCE OF THE deGRUY RELATION TO THE LIREY +-TURIN SHROUD + 1)deGRUYERE @THE 1ST CRUSADE (knights templar membership) >A TOTAL OF 5 CRUSADES< 2) COUNCIL OF TROYES/ deGRUYERE (choice of magny fouchard) >ORIGINAL TEMPLAR REGION DURING FOUNDATION. (after 1st crusade) 3) deGRUY(ERE)-deVIRGY FAMILY TIE WITH THE SHROUD OWNER. >jeanne devirgy wife of decharney and grand niece of othon de la ROCHE WHO IMPORTED THE SHROUD FROM A CHURCH +IN CONSTANTINOPLE+ 4) LIREY CHURCH & ST. BERNARD OF (templar shroud venues) >CLAIRVAUX VERY CLOSE TO +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ 5) FOUCHERES and CHARNEY TWO CHATEAUX IN THE REGION. (troyes/magny fouchard) +BREAKING NEWS+ >last night while writing a piece on early families @ magny fouchard +I DISCOVERED THE PIECE DE RESIS- TANCE OF deGRUY(ERE) FAMILY HOLY LIREY/TURIN SHROUD I N V O L V EM E N T (the plot thickens) +HOUSE OF BRIENNE+ >the chateau of the counts of brienne +KINGS OF JERUSALEM+ (the most sought after title in the 17th century, 5 kings (INCL. LOUIS 14TH) >claimed this title.) (the chateau de brenne is near napoleon's military school) +ONLY 15 KM N. MAGNY FOUCHARD+ ( KEY TO THE MYSTERY) +is the setting of this discovery+ +TEMPLAR/HOLY SHROUD+ +CHAMPAGNE DRAMA+ *********************** +GUILLAUME de PAMPLUNE+ (verloin degruy ancestor) >(husband of angelberte d'aulnay & desc. of pamploma/navarre kings >WAS #1 TO THE BRIENNE COUNT (military and court) >WHO WAS ALSO THE KING OF +J E R U S A L E M+ >(custodian of all holy relics found in the holy land including the +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ +note: the villages of charney, lirey, piney, valentine, foucheres, brienne, clairvaux, villeneuve, vendeuvre, bossancourt, jaucourt, champignol, luxembourg (our history on a map) & MAGNY FOUCHARD ARE ALL EASILY FOUND IN THIS TROYES REGION. >plus in the orient regional forest and park in the very middle +THE LAKE AUZON >TEMPLE<+ (synchronicity ?) >EPOTHEMONT CHATEAU/VILLAGE SHOULD ALSO BE ON THE MAP. >de pamplune was also lord of +E P O T H E M O N T+ NOTE : >his descendent jean de pamplune 2nd was married into the noble family (in 1550) +CHARLOTTE de GENNES+ >WHOSE DESCENDENT WON THE >pierre-gilles de gennes< (1932-2007) +1991 NOBEL PRIZE FOR PHYSICS+. to be continued.... gene ray, san diego, california

+PRINCE MICHAEL de GRUYERE+ in 1533 was like his cousin ("blood brother") +FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1st+ about 40 years old >michael would become count of gruyere 6 years later in 1539 >IN MARCH OF 1533 KING FRANCOIS after having spent christmas & 3 months @ the louvre palace IN PARIS SET OUT W/ HIS (prince michael etc.) >COURT ON A LONG FIELD TRIP LARGELY IN THE LORRAINE / +(the valois)+ +CHAMPAGNE REGION+. +THE ELEGENT CAMPERS+ >to have an idea of the magnitude of this lengthy extended field trip. (3 thousand men) >IT TOOK 12,000 HORSES TO MAKE THIS REGAL TOURING POSSIBLE. (not counting >"ladies"<) >it took him 3 months of slow & ceremonial travel just to get +TO THE CITY OF LYON+ (the nobles of each region would come out to pay their respects.) +OUR PERSPECTIVE+ >it is valuable for gruyerens to note that among the many castles and towns visited by our regal troup +GUISE WAS AN EARLY STOP+ the duke deguise was the (MILITARY/BLOOD) >close friend/ assoc. of prince +MICHAEL deGRUYERE+ >who upon a revealing search was also surrounded by many other relatives in this champagne/lorraine region. +OUR VERLOIN deGRUY+ >16th century< +A N C E S T O R S+ (in this region) +de VERLOING / deVILLENEUVE+ >daniel deverloing married to jeanne de villeneuve during this period of time ( @ MAGNY FOUCHARD ) ( nicolas de villeneuve had been sr. de magny fouchard earlier.) +de AULNAY / de RICHEBOURG+ >mathelin de aulnay, ecuyer, seigneur de +14 GENERATIONS REMOVED+ >morambert, de frampas & de chalette (HAUTE MARNE REGION) >married antoinette de richebourg. >THE de AULNAY'S WERE FAMOUS NOBLES WITH A CASTLE & (yellow rooster on a blue field/shield) >IMPRESSIVE BLAZON. +ROBERT DELAUNAY+ >robert de launay became one the great artists of the modern movement in (wife SONIA DELAUNAY also) >paris during the early days of the +2 O T H + C E N T U R Y+ >true 20th century visionaries< +THE WORK OF ROBERT AND SONIA+ +DELAUNAY WAS IN THE LEAD+ +OF THE 20 C. MODERN ART+ >a picasso contemporary< >but even more >avant< >to be continued..... gene ray, san diego, califorhia

+CHALAMALA WAS DIFFERENT+ >cagliostro was different< +LEONARDO WAS DIFFERENT+ >mesmer was different< +JERSUS WAS DIFFERENT+ ************************** +CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION+ >masked lords and ladies @ gruyere (GOLD THREAD & FEATHERS) >were hungry for spiritual transport +INTO A TRANSCENDENT REALM+ ********************************* +FOOD AND WINE+ >was only the beginning of the change so desperately needed in the face of +FEAR OF WAR & PESTILENCE+ ****************************** +TRUMPETS SOUNDED+ >massed drums rolled, resounding & echoing thundereous cascading (BLOOD QUICKENED) >vibrations into the extensive (LEGS WEAKENED) >lofts, towers and bellfrys. ************************* +AT THE HEIGHT OF THE NIGHT+ the men of talent, genius & artistry +THE STELLER PERSONA+ were brought out front and center ************************************ >TO PROVIDE ENCHANTMENT AND EVEN ECSTASY FOR THOSE OPEN ( the chosen few) +TO TRANSCENDENCE+ ********************* +CHALAMALA WAS IMPRESSIVE+ (his hat alone, a work of art) **************************** +GIRARDUS DICTUS+ (chalamala) >was the jester/troubadour/fool of gruyere count peter iv in the ********************************* +MIDDLE OF THE 14th CENTURY+ ******************************** +CHALAMALA WAS DIFFERENT+ >as a child he was ostracised for his +DIFFERENCE FROM THE OTHERS+ ********************************* +COUNT PETER THE 4TH+ >was the very enlightened count that recognised that chalamala's genius ************************************* >COULD BE PUT TO WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF HIS +NEEDY PEOPLE+ **************** +GENIUS AND PATRON+ >every group of people have a chalamala or a leonardo in their midst but not many have a leader with the +E N L I G H T E N M E N T+ ************************** +of count peter degruyere+ ************************** +LEONARDO WAS FORGOTTEN IN+ +ITALY UNTIL KING FRANCOIS 1st+ +++++++++++++++++++++ +EMPLOYED HIS VISION+ *********************** +TALENT NOT TECHNOLOGY+ >in that day, talent ruled and was +R E W A R D E D+ **************** >chalamala became the wealthiest of gruyeren citizens, owning the TOWNS MOST IMPRESSIVE +RESIDENCE / CHALET+ ********************** >HE BEQUETHED A COW TO EVERY (knights templar) +ROUGEMONT MONK+ >upon his very honored death ****************************** >SADLY HIS PREDICTION OF THE DEATH OF GRUYERE BECAME (winter of 1554) +ALL TOO TRUE+ ************** gene ray, san diego, california CHRISTMAS, 2 THOUSAND & 8 YEARS AFTER THE >BIRTH OF JESUS< ****************

Merry Christmas, List!!! Renee

May I add my wishes to all members (cousins!) for a joyous Christmas! Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] Merry Christmas To all list members, I wish each and every one of you a safe and Merry Christmas for 2008. Helen Kendrick This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all list members, I wish each and every one of you a safe and Merry Christmas for 2008. Helen Kendrick

Thanks very much - I also wish each and every a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year Sylvia ---- [email protected] wrote: > To all list members, > > I wish each and every one of you a safe and Merry Christmas for 2008. > > Helen Kendrick > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also wish the list members Merry Christmas   Orelie Dugruise --- On Wed, 12/24/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [DEGRUY] Merry Christmas To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 7:10 PM To all list members, I wish each and every one of you a safe and Merry Christmas for 2008. Helen Kendrick This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

( for one brief moment there was camelot ) ******************* +THE CASTLE OF GRUYERE IS+ +TRULY A FANTASTIC PLACE+ ***************************** >for over a thousand years the< ******************************* >COUNTS & COUNTESES OF GRUYERE RULED OVER THIS MAGIC DREAM. *********************************** +it has to be seen to be believed+ ******************************** +before christmas 1554+ >COUNT MICHAEL, ABANDONED THIS FAIR DOMAIN, ALONE ON (french king henri owed >1,700,000 gold francs<) >A COLD NOVEMBER NIGHT **************************** +DEATH BY FIRE+ >a terrible fire had caused such vast destruction that a large debt was >incurred in the rebuilding< *************************** >IT WAS THE LAST REMNANT OF THE OLD EUROPEAN CHIVILRY (princes, castles, knights) ************************ +VALENTINOIS/GRIMALDI+ +only a few like monaco remain+ +OF THE PRINCIPALITIES+ ************************ +GRUYERE WAS ORIGINALLY+ a stronghold of the giant, blond +DUKES OF BURGUNDY+ >ironically the last count michael was a reflection of this via his mother +A deVIRGY PRINCESS+ ********************* >THE COUNTS OF deVIRGY FAMOUS FOR CO-POSESSION OF THE (decharney,devirgy) +HOLY SHROUD OF LIREY+ >later, of course, the shroud of turin when acquired by the degruyere desavoy >C O U S I N S< ************* >ONE HAS TO CONCLUDE BASED ON MUCH DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE (on several occassions the >THAT THE CHRISTMASES OF THE GRUYERE/SAVOY FAMILIES >shroud was exposed on >WERE GREATLY ENRICHED WITH EXPOSITION OF >the castle walls) +THE HOLY SHROUD+ +OF JESUS CHRIST+ +++++++++++ +RADIANT MIES EN SCENE+ +flaming torchlight & trumpets+ >EVEN CHALAMALA MUST HAVE BEEN< >LEFT SPEACHLESS W/ THIS VISAGE.< (a once in a lifetime apocalypse) ******************************* +MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL+ (degruyere/degruy) +HEIRS OF THIS MIRACLE+ ************************* gene ray, san diego, california

+"INDIAN" = NATIVE AMERICAN+ ******************************* >perhaps one of the most famous and historical christmas / genealogical >matches relating to my ************************ +RAY-deGRUY ANCESTRY+ >(john ray of rayville/neworleans & lucie verloin degruy ray of CREOLE NEW ORLEANS) *********************** >relates to their son +RANDOLPH JOSEPH RAY+ (my father) >(devotee of hupmobile automobiles, driver of the 1st car in covington (A DR'S TRANSPORT) >and of a packard touring car.) ****************************** >+CHRISTMAS IN VIRGINIA+< (jamestown, 1610) ***************** +POCAHONTIS & JOHN SMITH+ >the story of indian princes pocahontis (DAUGHTER OF POWHATON) >saving john smith the leader of the JAMESTOWN PIONEERS >from death and then marrying +JOHN ROLPHE+ >and visiting king james in london is a familiar part of +AMERICAN PIONEER HISTORY+ ****************************** >FOR THE RAY/ deGRUY HOUSEHOLD THIS HISTORY CONTAINED A MORE +PROFOUND & PERSONAL NOTE+ ******************************** >in that my father, randolph ray, was +NAMED AFTER JOHN RANDOLPH RAY+ of the ray / randolphs of virginia. (the ray family married into the randolph family in virginia) *************************** +JOHN RANDOLPH RAY+ and +JANE RANDOLPH RAY+ >had a daughter, naomi randolph ray who married +JOHN BOLLING+ son of >COL. ROBERT BOLLING & JANE ROLPH WHO WAS THE GRANDAUGHTER OF (the algonquin princess) +POCAHONTIS AND JOHN ROLPH+ ********************************** +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ (CHRISTMAS, 1613) >as i have previously related john ray +my father's grandfather, was husband of +CATHERINE deBRESSE+ >descendent of the duke de savoy ********************************* >BUT WHAT I FIND FASCINATING IS THAT KING JAMES OF ENGLAND (pocahontis host in 1613) >FIGURES IN deGRUY EUROPEAN HISTORY VIA INVOLVEMENT (tempesta engraving) >W/ THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR +SHROUD OF TURIN+ ******************** +THE TEMPESTA ENGRAVING+ ( exposition in turin ) >published in london in 1613 shows ************************************ +SAINT FRANCIS de SALES+ personally holding up the +SHROUD OF TURIN+ ******************** in the piazza of the +VALENTINO CASTELLO+ *********************** +FOR THOUSANDS OF PILGRIMS+ +SPIRITUAL VENERATION+ >(what did pocahontis think) *************************** gene ray, san diego, california

(correction) ********** >ROOTSWEB, deGRUY L ARCHIVE CHRISTMAS thanks gene

(secret night rituals, amulets) +ON INDIAN MOUND FRENCH+ +COLONIAL INDIGO+ +PLANTATIONS+ *************** +LOUIS 14th EATING WITH (masked blondes) >HIS HANDS WITH NO >(toilet anywhere)< **************** +ANTOINE WITH ICE BERGS+ >hurricanes, disease waiting< +FLEEING INDISCRETION ?+ >(rabid dogs howling in packs) ***************************** >along with +COUNTS, PRINCES, DUKES +SUGAR PLANTERS +ARCHITECTS +SAINTS ******* +VISIONARIES, FANTABULISTS+ >and a few metaphysicians thrown in +PERFORMING SECRET ALCHEMY+ ********************************** >lets not forget, god forbid, our +CRUSADERS & PRIESTS+ *********************** >or our... >ACTORS AND CHARLETONS< +MOUNTBANKS & SALTENBANKS+ +(look for picasso's paintings)+ >PARIS, TRANSCENDENT< ************************ +FRENCH TROPIC SYNDROME+ >while the candles are being made (ALLIGATER IN THE POT) >and the african drums start up ******************************** >TO CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF +JESUS OF NAZARETH+ +(radiant son of god)+ ******************* >then please read my< ********************* >CHRISTMAS >MESSAGES< FROM+ + LAST YEAR, >2007<+ ******************* >simply google.... ************** >("ROOTSWEB SEARCH"),..... ********************* +"deGRUY L. ARCHIVE : CHRISTMAS"+ ********************************** >you will then find all of the above and more , some w/ humor +BUT SOME PROFOUND+ ************************ >i especially want to draw attention to ************************************** 1) "CHRISTMAS IN THE GRUYERE VALLEY ( BALTHUS CHALET) **************************** >where i discover balthus' role as a (red ceremonial robes, white cross) +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ +GRAND MASTER+ ***************** +HOLY GRAIL, ANNONCIADA+ >note: this is another confirmation of (through 1000 years) >THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TEMPLAR PRESENCE NEAR THE CASTLE OF +THE COUNTS de GRUYERE+ *************************** >you will enjoy chalama, the jestor at christmas in gruyere but can you (amboise castle, 1516) 2)>IMAGINE LEONARDO DAVINCI CREATING THE CHRISTMAS (stupendous feats, magic) >DECOR FOR FRENCH KING +F R A N C O I S 1 s t+. ********************* >YOU ARE THERE<..... +related i fear, to the likes of, yes >CESERE BORGIA, DUKE OF THE +V A L E N T I N O I S+ >SON OF THE POPE< ****************** >( don't worry, anyone who hired leonardo davinci to design >CASTLES, CAN'T BE ALL ( military strategy ) >THAT BAD )< ********** eugene ray, professor emeritus MFA, TULANE UNIVESITY +tropique, magique+ +metaphysique+

(SANTA CLAUS=ST NICHOLAS) >1) google: "santa claus / saint nicholas ************** +ROUGEMONT KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ 2) google: "rougemonts owned the shroud of turin" ******************* +SAINT NICHOLAS CHAPEL+ >dedicated to children was built by +COUNT GUILAUME de GRUYERE+ at the priory of *************** +ROUGEMOUNT+ >after his safe return from the +FIRST CRUSADE+ **************** +ROUGEMONT MONESTARY+ > founded also by count guilaume is located near gruyere and was ********************************* >MOST LIKELY THE SOURCE OF THE FAMOUS ROUGEMOUNT +KNIGHTS TEMPLARS+. ********************* >i have just found corroboration for this on the internet and is another ************************************ +TIE BETWEEN OUR GRUYERE COUNTS AND OUR VERLOIN deGRUY FAMILY ************************************* +(burgundy counts)+ >via the rougemount knights templar ( LA ROCHE / VILLERSEXEL ) >relatives of the decharney /devirgy ************************************ +OWNERSHIP OF THE HOLY SHROUD+. +BEFORE IT WENT TO TURIN+ (saint hippolyte church, montfort +S. OF MAGNY FOUCHARD+ *************************** +CHRISTMAS OVERVIEW+ ************************ >tasso the great poet of the first crusade has written about the ******************************* +LEADERSHIP OF THE GRUYERE KNIGHTS AT JERUSALEM >(gruyere flag 1st over the jerusalem walls) ********************* >it is not surprising that the zeal of count guilaume de gruyere for ******************************** +CHRISTIAN / CHRISTMAS+ (st. nicholas chapel) >also coincided with the growth of +THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ************************ >note: the great swiss cultural hero +DENIS de ROUGEMONT+ (templar scholar and poet, born in 1906) +FATHER OF A UNITED EUROPE+ >a force behind the european union has written about the evolution ********************************* > OF THE GRAIL ROMANCES & (romantic poetry) > THE TROUBADOERS FROM (chretian de troyes) +THE CATHAR / TEMPLARS+ ************************** >and very importantly the templars +ROSE CROSS/ROSICRUCIAN+ (rosicrucian blazon same as rougemount coat of arms) *************************** +CROSS SURROUNDED+ +B Y + R O S E S+ *************** >EVOLUTION FROM< ( yes ) ***** +ROUGEMONT , SWITZERLAND+ founded by count guilaume +de GRUYERE in 1080+ ********************* (JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS) ******************************** gene ray, san diego, california

Here's a message from Kitty. It bounced, so I'm sending it for her... * Kitty wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and high hopes that Santa's annual visit will be loaded with many goodies for all and to all a very Merry Christmas * * * * KItty *